Well me personally didn't see anything wrong with mudleys last two topics God Is An Epic Troll and Santa Versus God to me it was all just funny, but when the only response he got was insults it meant that people were finding it very offensive. So why couldn't they just ignore him? There are plenty of topics started by christians that don't don't get any replies, so why reply mudley?

toba:

I think i personally will not be gentle with any yeye, biased and unreasonable brother. Three pple control this section, but just one fails to be neutral. Imagine two women acting rationally while and irrational atheist does other wise

happy new year to u too

When i wished you a happy new year over a week ago you were happy because you thought i was going to become a born again christian didn't you?   I know that in your mind i will never be unbiased until i convert to your religion which is christianity abi na lie?  

JeSoul:

 Here's a tutorial on how to embed videos:  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-505782.32.html#msg6714232

Make sure its on the topic of the thread oh

and Toba, no worries, MMW has shown he's a solid mod now. I've seen him delete both christian and atheist posts. The guy is trying now . . . show him some love now

well if i am biased it must be a subconscious thing. But then again we are all slightly if not a little biased towards our own belief systems.

Rhino.5dm:

My Rhino.4dm was banned for simply retaliating against mudley's insults, to my dismay the post was hurriedly deleted and that's all.  

I can't remember the exact wording of the post that you were banned for but it said something like
''mudley having to work by licking the thing between a 90 year old grandmother's legs just to get his greencard'' Please tell me if that dosen't deserve a ban then what dose?

Nl religion section hasn't been the same since Jesoul became a mod and mukina a supermod. its been more action and getting more interesting with gentle iron ladies. lol

---

MMW i used to like u before before, but u changed. do u know why i liked u? yea its becos u re non aggressive but i detest u now for being biased. If u can add objectivity into your xter like the ladies, u'll sure enjoy my patronage even though u remain an atheist. If not, hmm, u might not remain a mod by June 2011. Trust me. Anyway God might touch your heart like he did to banom. Thk God banom is getting married this year to his God chosen better half in Abuja. We are all invited

JeSoul:

  There's problem in Zimbabwe and you're reporting in Southafrica. J/K. I'm sure Mukina will sort it out for ya.

See this woman. U re underestimating the impact of this your thread. Do u know how many non religious issues that had been resolved through this thread? go review the previous pages to see for your self. Very soon u'll become a supermod. With me around dont be suprised that it could happen sooner than expected. For instance, tpia and nuclearboy seldom play love argue on this thread

@ all, i dont think we ve fully taken the advantage(s) presented to us by the op on this thread. now lets see

Jesoul « on: August 30, 2010, 04:36 PM »:

So Manmustwac and I discussed and decided it'd be a good idea to have a thread where you[b] can communicate freely with us.[/b] A few posters have remarked to me in the past that it'd be nice to have a way to reach us easily so here it is. .
If you have any complaints/comments you'd like to keep private, feel free to use the "Report To Moderator" button to the right.
Happy posting

And also the below quote

Jesoul « #1 on: August 30, 2010, 04:39 PM »:

P.S.
We're also a match-making service, so if there's any NLder you've been eyeing, we can send a private message to them for you. So Bawo, Tonye and others feel free to let us know okay?Â

Pls stop e fighting. make ur intentions known the mods will help

no need to go back in to that for now, but honestly even if i deserve (ignoring the fact that it was a chain reaction from mudley's previous post)a banned then for how

long?? so what happen to 1 week, 2 weeks ban rules. . .  . .

manmustwac:

I can't remember the exact wording of the post that you were banned for but it said something like
''mudley having to work by licking the thing between a 90 year old grandmother's legs just to get his greencard'' Please tell me if that dosen't deserve a ban then what dose?

one thing for sure is that i always look forward to reading mudley's post cos he always crack me up. . . .all of a sudden he started acting weird and formenting trouble at rate of per second.

@JeSoul, @nuclearboy:

Thanks. Happy New Year to you guys!

I'm fine; just caught up with school once again and working on my thesis.

New year promo snd bulksms 1000 units @3k, snd ova 1k fone nums oda services available call 08059213549,ping 254F057E,kindly forward,buz only!

Beat it, Flex!

Did my innocuous posts get deleted? Sweeeeeeeeet. This is so gangsta

toba:

See this woman. U re underestimating the impact of this your thread. Do u know how many non religious issues that had been resolved through this thread? go review the previous pages to see for your self. Very soon u'll become a supermod. With me around dont be suprised that it could happen sooner than expected. For instance, tpia and nuclearboy seldom play love argue on this thread

cultists and their sympathizers dont like me, and i dont think they should.

in other words, kick rocks, folks.

hissses yama yama

mudley3:

So, i open threads. your people come and try to derail it raining all sorts of insults and abuses and what you do is ban me while ignoring all the blatant breaking of nairaland rules by your people. if this religious section is supposed to be the CHRISTIAN section and other contrary views are not tolerated, let us know

You need to cool down mudley to the theists you come over as insultive but to me your a militant atheist you remind me of another miliatant guy who went by the name of abuzola the guy was serial spammer spreading his e jihad on every single thread here.

mudley3:


i have tried as best as i can to stay within the limits of the rules of this forum but you JESOUL already have a preconceived bias against me so even when others are on the wrong you just pretend not to notice them and single me out for castigation

i recall a thread in which someone was attributing the rescue of the chilean miners to his/her god. i came with my own opinion on [b]the issue attributing the rescue to those who actually carried out the rescue but you decided to delete my posts even when i evidently was on topic.[/b] another time, a fellow christian of yours was trying to insinuate that god had a wife and i gave my own opinion on why i dont believe bible god had a spouse, but instead of scolding your fellow christian for blasphemy or whatever, you went on to delete my post and label me a trouble maker. but when i open threads to air my views and your fellow christian pour in deviating entirely from the topic and attacking me with all sorts of benign personal insults and abuses, you blatantly ignore them even when i click the "report abuse to mod button" and only jump in when i try to defend myself and label me the bad guy.

we are all NIGERIANS in here. why the favouritism and outright bias? after you guys will wonder why i have a problem with religion as a whole.

during the derailment of my threads your people why crying for you because they are all aware of your obvious bias in favor of them. and you came, what did you do. ban me who had been crying for some peace and sanity. this forum has actually been turned into some PDP type cabal thing, after we'll be complaining about the situation in nigeria
so, as a moderator, you were "hoping for me to leave the forum" that was made for all of us naijas just because my belief (or lack of belief) differs from yours?

i will continue to fight for equal rights and justice and freedom of speech and opinion on this forum even though you intolerant christians dont want it that way.

I remember it was Ivynwa who started the topic that complained that someone was posting offensive posts or derailing her topic right here and that t was mukina who dealt with it. Go back a few pages to see for yourself.

JeSoul:

^If I am 'biased' against you, you have no one to blame but yourself. You've been nothing but a nuisance since you came here, consistently the only one ppl are always complaining about. I doubt you've used the 'report to mod' link before as I've never gotten a complaint from you. Besides, you know you could always come to this thread like others do to complain but you didn't, and you're now claiming I ignore you. Does MMW also ignore you? Mukina as well? You're grasping at straws dude.

You were not the only one banned, mods are biased right? continue to play the victim card as always. This is the last I'll say on this matter as I have neither the time nor patience for childish games.

ps. you are on a ban. stay there. Any more posts from you will be deleted and the new username banned.

---

okay I said no more comments, I chatise myself.

@mudley
It is not easy being a mod you will accuse her of being biased when you feel you have been dealt with unfairly likewise toba dose the same to me. And don't think you were banned i think the spambot got you.

@JeSoul
In the interest of fairplay leave him alone. Many people who have been banned before come back with different usernames and are left alone as long as they don't commit the same  offence that got them banned in the first place.

manmustwac:

@mudley
It is not easy being a mod you will accuse her of being biased when you feel you have been dealt with unfairly likewise toba dose the same to me.

SMH keep dishing out consolation and deceiving ur self. MMW u know u are biased. Ok toba thinks MMW is biased is it only toba that thinks or say so? If its not only then witnesses from 2 more actually proves u are biased. If u had acted properly, may be ur boy would have been spared but u didnt before Jesoul/Mukina acted properly. Ask ur self as a co mod in this section why is it that the other mod gets commendation more than ur self? it shows u re doing a not too good job

@JeSoul
In the interest of fairplay leave him alone.

Guy grow up and stop playing the victim card on anyone's behalf. Did she hold anyone? Kindly visit the previous pages to read about[b] numerous complaint[/b] against who u re trying to defend

@toba: give it a break.

It's seems you are on a personal crusade against MMW. Let it rest, please. I personally don't see what MMW did wrong.

Really Jesoul's my buddy, but her actions regarding the Mudley issue were overly high-handed and showed gross personal sensitivity and bias.

I cannot imagine that in the 21st century, there is something wrong with opening threads questioning the ontology and consistency of a particular world-view regarding God. That is fair-game, and there is NOTHING wrong with the posers raised. If people have a different view, then the reason that this board exists is that they can post their views, and react intelligently to such posers by giving reasonable answers. It is scandalous for a mod to deliver knee-jerk reactions by locking such topics and taking other such high-handed actions.

I have myslef opened a number of threads deconstructing Yahweh, the Jewish tribal deity. Nobody banned me. Same with Mazaje.

See here -

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-434436.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-438941.0.html

It is thus mind-numbing to see Jesoul taking such unwarranted Gestapo action against threads opened querying the consistency of the nature of God. It is an assault on free speech, and shows a level of personal sensitivity and bias which is unnaceptable for a moderator of a board that is supposed to accomodate varying views.

The threads were not locked because of there titles.
They were locked and most of them banned because it degenerated into personal insults and fights and that is against forum rules.

manmustwac:

@mudley
It is not easy being a mod you will accuse her of being biased when you feel you have been dealt with unfairly likewise toba dose the same to me. And don't think you were banned i think the spambot got you.

no. i was actually BIASEDLY banned by jesoul

@JeSoul
In the interest of fairplay leave him alone. Many people who have been banned before come back with different usernames and are left alone as long as they don't commit the same  offence that got them banned in the first place.

the word FAIRPLAY does not exist in jesouls dictionary. in one breath she falsely claims that i am FREE to type up my grieviances on the complaint thread or report abuse to the mod, in another breath she THREATENS deletion or outright ban if i should do what she just says i am supposedly free to do. is this north korea or what?

she labels my thread topics offensive but overlooks threads such as "to all the mumu atheist" with actual swear words and outright insults in the title

Deep Sight:

Really Jesoul's my buddy, but her actions regarding the Mudley issue were overly high-handed and showed gross personal sensitivity and bias.

I cannot imagine that in the 21st century, there is something wrong with opening threads questioning the ontology and consistency of a particular world-view regarding God. That is fair-game, and there is NOTHING wrong with the posers raised. If people have a different view, then the reason that this board exists is that they can post their views, and react intelligently to such posers by giving reasonable answers. It is scandalous for a mod to deliver knee-jerk reactions by locking such topics and taking other such high-handed actions.

I have myslef opened a number of threads deconstructing Yahweh, the Jewish tribal deity. Nobody banned me. Same with Mazaje.

See here -

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-434436.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-438941.0.html

It is thus mind-numbing to see Jesoul taking such unwarranted Gestapo action against threads opened querying the consistency of the nature of God. It is an assault on free speech, and shows a level of personal sensitivity and bias which is unnaceptable for a moderator of a board that is supposed to accomodate varying views.

i am happy someone is speaking up against this outright BIAS and INJUSTICE. i open a thread, her marauding CHRISTIAN e-soldiers invade it with all manner of personal insults and vitriol totally deviating from thread topic, but I GET THE BAN, and my topic gets LOCKED because even if, according to her, my threads were "within the limits of the rules of the forum", emperor kim jesoul personally finds it offensive. but when christians open and makes downright offensive threads and posts against muslims and atheist, laced with all manner of insults and ridicule or condemning them to damnation and generational curses, its okay. you can see in her previous post here how she and her fellow christians are salivating over getting rid of me because i am of a differing belief from them; like they're on a mission to CHRISTIANIZE the RELIGION section or something. she claimed to have read through all the posts before taking action but all she could pick out was one of my defensive response against personal attack on me while conveniently ignoring all the other posts/posters each with every single sentence containing personal insult/abuse/curse words. you can see on here how jesoul, a supposed mod, gloats to her christian comrades on tricks she employs to get rid of non-christians from the forum; how she PMs fellow christians to ignore people of differing beliefs. this is supposed to be a COMPLAINT thread but they've turned it into a buddy making thread were they post pics of foods they wish to send to eachother for christmas

a fellow nigerian (seun) opens up a forum where nigerians can come together and share their opinions, and even differences, but you have here some power drunk mod who decides to use her modship to impose her depostical personal bias in adjudication of the forum laws and biasedly silence others of differring beliefs. what an intolerant prick

mukina2:

The threads were not locked because of there titles.
They were locked and most of them banned because it degenerated into personal insults and fights and that is against forum rules.

so, how come most of the people (e.g TOBA) who INTENTIONALLY degenerated my threads into such (fights and insults) are still here posting and celebrating my unfair ban (even in the process, employing the very same PERSONAL INSULTS you said people were banned for). i thought you yourself said PERSONAL INSULTS were against forum rules. why ignore some and ban others? or i forgot, they're people you guys do buddy-buddy with/christians

toba:

Nl religion section hasn't been the same since Jesoul became a mod and mukina a supermod. its been more action and getting more interesting with gentle iron ladies. lol
We thk God the lu.nati.c had been taking to a psychiatric hospital of Yaba left side in Lagos. Pls doctors let the[b] loonie[/b] remain there for atleast 6 months till he regains sanity. Now there would be peace in this section

---

i guess this personal insult-laden post is okay with you because of the obvious ego-stroking he added for you guys

MMW i used to like u before before, but u changed. do u know why i liked u? yea its becos u re non aggressive but i detest u now for being biased. If u can add objectivity into your xter like the ladies, u'll sure enjoy my patronage even though u remain an atheist. If not, hmm, u might not remain a mod by June 2011. Trust me. Anyway God might touch your heart like he did to banom. Thk God banom is getting married this year to his God chosen better half in Abuja. We are all invited

this guy is so confident about the biased favouritism he gets from his fellow CHRISTIAN mods that he can even threaten the non-christian mod with his position. from this post, you can all see what all the BIAS is all about. its all about, you're not on my side if you dont believe in my god

mudley:

so, how come most of the people (e.g TOBA) who INTENTIONALLY degenerated my threads into such (fights and insults) are still here posting and celebrating my unfair ban (even in the process, employing the very same PERSONAL INSULTS you said people were banned for)

Why are u ranting like a defeated fellow? U are guilty of same on other pple's thread. Have u asked your self how many nairalanders had course to report u to the mods for one wrong doing or the other? not only in the religion section,  in other sections that u seldom post  you've always caused problems for posters

mudley:


i guess this personal insult-laden post is okay with you because of the obvious ego-stroking he added for you guys

What exactly is your problem? so because u were banned you desire for others to go down with you? i thought u said some of us have no life outside NL, why is it difficult for you that claim to have a life outside nairaland let everyone rest?
BTW personal insult is an offence. I havent committed any cos my post never, i repeat never included any nairaland's name. It could have been directed to a mad man in Ojuelegba area of Lagos state

toba on January 08, 2011, 12:02 AM]
Nl religion section hasn't been the same since Jesoul became a mod and mukina a supermod. its been more action and getting more interesting with gentle iron ladies. lol
We thk God the lu.nati.c had been taking to a psychiatric hospital of Yaba left side in Lagos. Pls doctors let the loonie remain there for atleast 6 months till he regains sanity. Now there would be peace in this section
[/quote]
Was anyones name mentioned? O i see u thought i was referring to someone? hahahahahah ( After all u are not a  lu.nati.c that was taken to a psychiatric hospital of Yaba left side in Lagos or are u?)

mudley:

this guy is so confident about the biased favouritism he gets from his fellow CHRISTIAN mods that he can even threaten the non-christian mod with his position. from this post, you can all see what all the BIAS is all about. its all about, you're not on my side if you dont believe in my god

hahahahaha. But u said u are educated, this is a bad logic coming from u. too bad. That i said  'u might not remain a mod by June 2011' translate into a threat? this is a very poor logic mudley313. So u think i have powers to sack someone that i didn't put into a position? SMH

did u read this part in my post

[quote author= toba:

MMW i used to like u before before, but u changed. do u know why i liked u? yea its becos u re non aggressive

U are just ranting like a drowning chap. U will do your self a lot of good to learn from MMW his non aggressive character

I am not taking sides here but toba and deep sights are taking this too far in both directions.

I will say the two moderators are unbiased -
maybe the accumulated complaints about mudley's posts have conditioned jesoul's perceptions about him so she always expects him to be a troublemaker.
maybe manmustwac finds the mudley posts funny because he is an atheist, forgetting that atheism is a lack of belief  in / denial of theism and not a passport to insult theism.
Besides, mukina2 sounds muslim to me (am I wrong?) so I don't think she is "taking sides with the christians".

It is true that everybody has freedom of speech but see the following statements about a certain god. So as not to cause offence I will use a relatively unknown one:  Cthulhu, "fictitious" cosmic god of the non-human deep ones called the Mi-go

Watch the steady progression of intolerance:
Cthulhu is a joke and cannot possibly exist. I firmly believe it is pure stupidity to believe in Cthulhu.
Cthulhu is fugly and looks like the squiggly spider I squashed at my bedside last night.
I defecate on Cthulhu's face. Let the so-called god stand up to me and defend itself.
Whoever thinks Cthulhu exists is silly and very ignorant.
Mi-go and other worshippers of Cthulhu are insane imbec1les and should have their heads checked for trusting in Cthulhu.

On five different levels we can see that the opinions have shifted from ridicule (basically acceptable although intolerable) to a vicious attack on the basis of another person's belief system and then finally the war is brought right down to the person's homefront - a personality attack.

I am not an atheist, I am a theist - simply so - without any more embellishment of religion - Christianity or whatever.
However I believe my arguments ought to attack the ideas I am set to disprove, and not the [i]people [/i]who believe in them.

I noticed that Mudley rarely makes posts without ridiculing the [b]personality [/b]of the person who believes what he is attacking, and the cartoons are generally offensive and intolerant (maybe I am wrong). But either way, the Christians are very wrong to attack him right back since there is a button to report to moderators.

The foundation of empire is art and science. Remove them or degrade them, and the empire is no more.
Empire follows art and not vice versa as Englishmen suppose. - William Blake

Voltaire said "A long dispute means that both parties are wrong".
This means if you have enough ammunition to destroy the art and science in an empire, you can leave without touching / attacking the empire and it will crumble by itself.

For me, I don't believe in militant persuasions because I believe God does not call for militancy of any kind - rather God expects us to share wisdom and knowledge whenever we have the chance. But if anyone disagrees and must be militant in their religious persuasion, always remember that "Empire follows art" and "A long dispute means that both parties are wrong".

Attack the art and science behind the religious perceptions you think are wrong,
and the empire of the religion will dissolve if it is not consistent.
Attack / ridicule / mock / curse the empire (the people IS the empire)
and you will achieve nothing. It will wax stronger and you may be the one to crumble.
Attacking the people will [b]never [/b]do you any good.

We should try to learn to be religiously tolerant of other people's views.

Deepsight, I am thoroughly disappointed by your premature comments. You do not even have half of the story but yet jumped in head first to comment. If I am your "buddy", then you would've known your comments are severely misplaced. I am really disappointed.

Mudley, should I re-post you last comment on this thread? the one that I deleted before anyone had a chance to read? where you took a piss on the mods? and told us to F-off? and other insults?

---

Religion section members, I make this comment only for your benefit. The only person that has ever accused me of wrongdoing is Mudley, the ONLY PERSON - a known trouble maker that has been banned countless times by Mukina. I've received complaints from not only christians on him - this alone should speak volumes.What many of you do not see are comments that are deleted and the obvious track-record of recurrent trouble posters. These factor a long way in decisions that are made. I would hope that my history here as a regular poster & mod has earned me some benefit-of-doubt from premature judgements such as DS has exhibited. Nevertheless, issall good.

---

Aletheia, Happy New Year oh!   its been too long.

Rhino, I will email you in the not too distant future. I need to clarify a few things on my end. Thanks!!

Dulcet, I'm glad I gave you a salute earlier in the thread for your input on an entirely different matter - so that my acknowledgement here will not seem borne only out of what you just posted. But I thank you for your wisdom and levelheadedness. Really.

Permit me to highlight points that I was hoping should be obvious to all:

Dulcet7:

I am not taking sides here but toba and deep sights are taking this too far in both directions.

I will say the two moderators are unbiased -
maybe the accumulated complaints about mudley's posts have conditioned jesoul's perceptions about him so she always expects him to be a troublemaker.
maybe manmustwac finds the mudley posts funny because he is an atheist, forgetting that atheism is a lack of belief  in / denial of theism and not a passport to insult theism.
Besides, mukina2 sounds muslim to me (am I wrong?) so I don't think she is "taking sides with the christians".
It is true that everybody has freedom of speech but see the following statements about a certain god. So as not to cause offence I will use a relatively unknown one:  Cthulhu, "fictitious" cosmic god of the non-human deep ones called the Mi-go

Watch the steady progression of intolerance:
Cthulhu is a joke and cannot possibly exist. I firmly believe it is pure stupidity to believe in Cthulhu.
Cthulhu is fugly and looks like the squiggly spider I squashed at my bedside last night.
I defecate on Cthulhu's face. Let the so-called god stand up to me and defend itself.
Whoever thinks Cthulhu exists is silly and very ignorant.
Mi-go and other worshippers of Cthulhu are insane imbec1les and should have their heads checked for trusting in Cthulhu.

On five different levels we can see that the opinions have shifted from ridicule (basically acceptable although intolerable) to a vicious attack on the basis of another person's belief system and then finally the war is brought right down to the person's homefront - a personality attack.

I am not an atheist, I am a theist - simply so - without any more embellishment of religion - Christianity or whatever.
However I believe my arguments ought to attack the ideas I am set to disprove, and not the [i]people [/i]who believe in them.

I noticed that Mudley rarely makes posts without ridiculing the personality of the person who believes what he is attacking, and the cartoons are generally offensive and intolerant (maybe I am wrong). But either way, the Christians are very wrong to attack him right back since there is a button to report to moderators.

The foundation of empire is art and science. Remove them or degrade them, and the empire is no more.
Empire follows art and not vice versa as Englishmen suppose. - William Blake

Voltaire said "A long dispute means that both parties are wrong".
This means if you have enough ammunition to destroy the art and science in an empire, you can leave without touching / attacking the empire and it will crumble by itself.

For me, I don't believe in militant persuasions because I believe God does not call for militancy of any kind - rather God expects us to share wisdom and knowledge whenever we have the chance. But if anyone disagrees and must be militant in their religious persuasion, always remember that "Empire follows art" and "A long dispute means that both parties are wrong".

Attack the art and science behind the religious perceptions you think are wrong,
and the empire of the religion will dissolve if it is not consistent.
Attack / ridicule / mock / curse the empire (the people IS the empire)
and you will achieve nothing. It will wax stronger and you may be the one to crumble.
Attacking the people will [b]never [/b]do you any good.

We should try to learn to be religiously tolerant of other people's views.

Such wisdom have I not seen in this section in a long time. Dulcet, I sincerely thank you sir.

Madam it is easy to see wisdom in posts that agree with you. I would urge you to take a step back and be entirely objective in this. Calmly note that i have not defended mudley or his antecedents. Note that i specifically spoke about the locking of a particular thread. I state again to you that that was unwarranted because the op merely set out contradictory elements within the view of God. If you will be truly rational pls tell us why the two threads i set out above by myself and mazaje were not locked.

JeSoul:

Deepsight, I am thoroughly disappointed by your premature comments. You do not even have half of the story but yet jumped in head first to comment. If I am your "buddy", then you would've known your comments are severely misplaced. I am really disappointed.

what has being buddies got to do with an IMPARTIAL assessment of the situation. oh, i forgot, thats how things usually works in nigeria

---

Religion section members, I make this comment only for your benefit. The only person that has ever accused me of wrongdoing is Mudley, the ONLY PERSON - a known trouble maker that has been banned countless times by Mukina. I've received complaints from not only christians on him - this alone should speak volumes.What many of you do not see are comments that are deleted and the obvious track-record of recurrent trouble posters. These factor a long way in decisions that are made. I would hope that my history here as a regular poster & mod has earned me some benefit-of-doubt from premature judgements such as DS has exhibited. Nevertheless, issall good.

does the fact that sensitive christians think im a trouble maker provide the avenue to be BIASED against me? lets stick to the issues here. i will say it again and i believe its obvious to any fair minded person following this thread: JESOUL; YOU HAVE BEEN UNFAIRLY BIASED TOWARDS MY MUDLEY313 ID and maybe due to pressure from your fellow christians have finally capitulated in exposing your obvious bias by handing me an unfair ban. how come toba (your fellow christian) is still here throwing personal jabs while it was he (and Uyi) that actually started the derailment and flagrant use of offensive personal insults in the threads you chose to LOCK because (according to you) you found them offensive. why treat people differently?? why do you berate only me and ignore those who ACTUALLY started the fights and all of their overtly incideous personal attacks? everyone of tobas post in my thread was laced with personal insults and nothing at all to do with the topic, while all i did was try to ignore them while asking the mod to help restrain him and uyi, but you in your fair assessment of the situation decided i was the one who deserved the ban

Deep Sight:

Madam it is easy to see wisdom in posts that agree with you.

it sure is

DS, my buddy, thank you for your comment. I have noted it.

Mudley, for the last time, you were one of 4 people banned. Theirs was shorter because they have not been in as much trouble as you. This is my final comment on this issue.

JeSoul:

Mudley, for the last time, you were one of 4 people banned. Theirs was shorter because they have not been in as much trouble as you.

what has the amount of people banned got to do with my complaint? how come your buddy toba who single handedly (with uyi) derailed my threads and turned them into a personal abuse fest let off the hook? why the double-standard??

This is my final comment on this issue.

ofcourse you're gonna wanna run away from an issue that exposes your obvious bias

Deep Sight how are u? I think mukina2 already answered you: the offence was people insulting themselves and not people insulting a god/God/set of gods - take a pick - as was the case in the 2 links u postd.

Jesoul thanks ma. Im glad my post made some sense to you.

^^^ I would urge you to review the reasons given for locking the thread.

The Mod wrote -

Mudley opens a thread (and subsequent posts) pretty much insulting the Christian faith (call it satire if you want).
^^^ this is how Mudley plays the victim card. You open a thread that is insulting, don't you think is incendiary? and provokes bad responses from others? does he expect people to come and pat him on the back? Some of his threads may be "offensive" to christians but within forum rules - but does common sense not teach one to be resfectful of others?

- Which clearly infers that the topic itself was considered insulting and offensive by the mod. That should not be the case because the topic simply set out internal inconsistencies in the judeo-christian ontology and world-view of God. That's fair game. If people have a problem with it, they have two options - intelligent rebuttals or they can simply ignore it.

If you read the links i provided you would see that the allegations we set out against "Yahweh" in those links were even more damning than Mudley's were, and provoked insult as well.

I am no atheist: and all are aware that I regard the atheistic world-view as a sham - my simple and frank worry is that the approach of the mod in this instance severly militates against free speech - which is integral to the success of a board such as this one.

Dulcet, you're more than welcome.

On a different subject - (and sorry if I'm 'stalking' you lol), can you please input your opinion on "salvation" on Joagbaje's "assurance" thread? Thanks.

Deep Sight I think I understand your view. But I took an objective glance at the OPs and I beg to disagree with you that Mudley wasn't being intolerant and deliberately producing incendiary posts (as Jesoul said) though they are his opinions. I feel in his heart he knew what the reaction would be by desecrating that which others will deem holy and sacred.

the judeo-christian god is an epic troll. if you grew up catholic, protestant or at all christian, then most of these iterations of this meme will hit home hard. these are all questions we've asked ourselves, our pastors and our parents that can be answered with the fact that the judeo-christian god, as a character, is a mean, troll-like, hypocritical butt-face. enjoy the best of the "advice god" meme, just in time for the holiday season

Meanwhile the Mudley Santa God thread is way better because the OP may be taken as a witty joke (even by some Christians, and ignored by the ones that can get offended) until Insequor came to stir the waters and all the trouble began.

For your own thread "Yahweh again - deut 7" I didnt go beyond page 1 but all I see is this and it was not incendiary

So as not to derail the other thread from discussing its specific issue - to wit - the deliberate disemination of falsehood by Yahweh, I am interested in looking also at some of the other interesting attributes of this deity.

A key one is extreme brutality.

Genocide, and brutal injunctions to stoning to death in odd circumstances.

The guy is absolutely notorious.

and so on. These posts you made are simple perceptions of yourself about what you clearly read in the Bible and also the Christians have the evidence that the verses said what you allege though they may vary in their own interpretations/perceptions of the same verse. This was a very objective post to me, even if it made some Christians upset.

Mazaje's lying angels of Yahweh thread is very similar and there we find you again  . He quoted 2 Chr 18:18-22 and said

What's up with yahweh and his angels?. . . .Why are they lying and deceiving people? Or is this part of the lying justice of yahweh.

1. The passage actually says the angel lied and deceived so there is nothing wrong here.
2. Mentioning "lying justice of yahweh" may have been a trigger for trouble but mazaje seems to be humorous in his method and I dont see him insulting the Christians at any time (maybe I need to go beyond page 1)

Mazaje said further

I can not believe the mental gymnastic involved here to explain this absurdity away. . .Make poo up and pretend that others are getting it wrongly is the name of the game. . . .

and

Fear, fear, fear. . .Aren't you guys tired of all the meaningless and ridiculous fear card already?. . . . .What the heck is blasphemy? Blasphemy was invented to scare people away from teachings or doctrines that can not stand on their own. . . .

Lets be honest: this appears to be polite conversation from Mazaje in which he states his persuasions against some beliefs held by others.

The procedures used in those two threads are an attack on the science and art (contents and concepts) of the empire (the beliefs) and not the people themselves. Please note that it is different from how mudley started out by saying God is an epic troll (attacking the empire) and then cussing that God, calling him names - maybe it was his opinion I guess - but it appears intolerant anyway. An atheist should not believe it is his duty to insult a God someone else believes in order to make them levy insults in return. Neither should a Muslim to a Christian or someone from any other belief system.

I will thus say it is clear to me that the threads are not similar: yours and mazaje's may have provoked responses but since you laid no insults, you were only passing across your disagreements maturedly. mukina2/jesoul - whoever locked the errant thread - knew what they were doing.

But maybe there is something I am missing because whoever claims to see all sides of a matter is only lying.

Whichever way always remember that
(1) the duty of any arbiter (e.g. a moderator) is a difficult one whenever people are involved and motives are not clearly defined. This is like a court that sometimes discharges and acquits a terrible criminal or convicts an innocent man just because there is a lack of evidence or because the lawyer was a brilliant arguer or a terrible one.
- and -
(2) all moderators are human like you too.

JeSoul:

Dulcet, you're more than welcome.

On a different subject - (and sorry if I'm 'stalking' you lol), can you please input your opinion on "salvation" on Joagbaje's "assurance" thread? Thanks.

No problems ma. Later today I will do just that.

Dulcet, I sincerely thank you for your input on the matter. And I'll repeat once more that comments (the worst) have been deleted from those threads and even this -  so anyone trying to 'judge' or conclude from only what is there is making a mistake - though it may be an honest one. You cite Mazaje, he is a hardcore, out-spoken atheist who never ceases to state his opinion - yet I have never gotten one complaint about him.

But anyways, if you don't mind, I kindly ask that we please move on (I only reply on this cos of your last entry). Please. DS will only continue to argue with you. I do appreciate your efforts and maturity though. Thanks!

---

Mukina, can you please ask Seun how much he is paying us this year?

I heard it wa$ $$$$$$