I'll make this short as possible as I can. It's still the same old story. Where is the evidence for the existence of any god or God?

Theists and largely those who believe in gods or Gods are fond of using a popular philosophical statement which goes thus, 'absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence'. While this statement is true, it is a statement that makes one appear stupid. This is because, the statement only considers the argument of the apologists. As atheists, we accept that the statement holds true, but it doesn't just hold true, it puts the burden of proof on the person making the claim that evidence is asked for. And this is because the statement is just one side of a coin, the other side of the coin is a statement that negates the first, and it goes thus, 'the absence of evidence is the evidence for the probability of absence'.

So, while the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, the absence of evidence is also not the evidence of presence, for evidence to be absent, it is an evidence for the probability of absence.

If a God exists, and it created this material world, and it touches people by anointing them, it speaks to people, it cannot be absent, it cannot even be a spirit. I have soon gone from there is no God to there cannot be a God. It is impossible for there to be a God, and when God goes out the window, so does its whole army of angels, Jinns and its rival, Satan.

If you have evidence or proof for the existence of any God whatsoever, please come forward. Thanks

i cant argue with you, you arent my mate..... let lucifer66 come, then we'll argue........

Holumhidey:
i cant argue with you, you arent my mate.....
let lucifer66 come, then we'll argue........

That's a very stupid comment. It shows that we are not really mates indeed the other way round. Enjoy while you wait for your lower class mates

Akin1212:


That's a very stupid comment. It shows that we are not really mates indeed the other way round. Enjoy while you wait for your lower class mates

smh
if you were that sensible, you would tell me the origintion of life then, if not God

Holumhidey:


smh
if you were that sensible, you would tell me the origintion of life then, if not God

This again confirms that we are not mates. Lol

Didn't you read where I said I have gone from there is no God to there can't be God? I advise you to gently wait for your lower class mates, son. Don't mention me again.

...it's there...in a huge and glaring cosmological sense

Psalm 19 - The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

...it's there...in the beautiful design and intricate complexity of the tiniest living cell

Psalm 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

...it's there...if you truly seek Him, seek truth, and not in your pride seek be led by, or a leader of these;

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

...it's there if...you don't fall for this;

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:


Praying that the scales of everything out of nothing, men from monkey like creatures and, a spherical, moving earth, drop from your eyes, would be a good start. Then throw some humility into the mix and...

...the choice is yours.


All the best

TV

Akin1212:


This again confirms that we are not mates. Lol

Didn't you read where I said I have gone from there is no God to there can't be God? I advise you to gently wait for your lower class mates, son. Don't mention me again.

the same thing.
you're saying there can't be a God.
i am saying; is it a statement or a question cos if it's a statement, then i'm asking u what the world originated from......
but,
if it's a question then you must be really dumb.
footnote

Holumhidey:

the same thing.
you're saying there can't be a God.
i am saying; is it a statement or a question cos if it's a statement, then i'm asking u what the world originated from......
but,
if it's a question then you must be really dumb.
footnote

Lol, I guess I'll leave you to keep asking what I overtly wrote. A sensible person will not ask me if it is a statement or a question. The way the syntax are written, even a teenager will know what it is. But what do I know, isn't it obvious that we actually are not mates?

It seems you have difficulties deciphering English. Lol

TV01:
...it's there...in a huge and glaring cosmological sense

Psalm 19 - The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. 2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. 3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.

...it's there...in the beautiful design and intricate complexity of the tiniest living cell

Psalm 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

...it's there...if you truly seek Him, seek truth, and not in your pride seek be led by, or a leader of these;

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of[b] men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,[/b]

...it's there if...you don't fall for this;

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:


Praying that the scales of everything out of nothing, men from monkey like creatures and, a spherical, moving earth, drop from your eyes, would be a good start. Then throw some humility into the mix and...

...the choice is yours.


All the best

TV

First of all, the bible is not valid evidence. So all these baloneys don't count. Show tangible and objective evidence. The heavens and the firmaments are not the handywork of any spirit. That idea was held by illiterate cavemen who never investigated anything but reached a conclusion from ignorance. This is a new age. Wake up

What kind of evidence do you need? Do you want to see the pictures of GOD too?

Akin1212:


First of all, the bible is not valid evidence. So all these baloneys don't count. Show tangible and objective evidence. The heavens and the firmaments are not the handywork of any spirit. That idea was held by illiterate cavemen who never investigated anything but reached a conclusion from ignorance. This is a new age. Wake up

...l did not direct you to the bible did l? Can illiterate "cavemen" write? Have you per chance considered your own ignorance?

I stand corrected, perhaps humility should be your starting point .


Best
TV

Akin1212:


Lol, I guess I'll leave you to keep asking what I overtly wrote. A sensible person will not ask me if it is a statement or a question. The way the syntax are written, even a teenager will know what it is. But what do I know, isn't it obvious that we actually are not mates?

It seems you have difficulties deciphering English. Lol

lmao, make it lucid for him. he clearly needs help

Akin1212:


That's a very stupid comment. It shows that we are not really mates indeed the other way round. Enjoy while you wait for your lower class mates

you know, i think you should read his signature. Before replying

finalboss:
you know, i think you should read his signature. Before replying

what's your take on FSM?

TV01:


...l did not direct you to the bible did l? Can illiterate "cavemen" write? Have you per chance considered your own ignorance?

I stand corrected, perhaps humility should be your starting point .


Best
TV

And in all this you cannot really sense that you are the ignorant and blind one here?

I said the idea was held by illiterate cavemen, not written by illiterate cavemen. Sometimes, in fact, all the time, you don't disappoint in showing how much ignorance is in you, just like peak milk. It's in you

Ideas can be held, passed or taught to others who will write them down. Of course, I had to tell you that. I have realized that most of you theists believe in this sky daddy because you don't think deeply.

You now want to lie for God and introduce a straw man? Give solid proof and evidence for the God you worship or suck it up.

finalboss:
you know, i think you should read his signature. Before replying

Lol, I really should have.

Akin1212:


[s]Didn't you read where I said I have gone from there is no God to [/s]there can't be God?

there can't be God?
According to which Scientific research or study that came out to glaring fact or evidence. Pls don't bring cosmologic nonsense which is more or less a theory without proof

OpenYourEyes1:
What kind of evidence do you need? Do you want to see the pictures of GOD too?

That could actually be helpful

NNAMDIII:
what's your take on FSM?

flying spag monster ?? right

finalboss:
flying spag monster ?? right

yeah, it is the o w true God or is it that there's no God at all because I'm confuse. I think there's no God but can't prove it

GoodMuyis:


there can't be God?
According to which Scientific research or study that came out to glaring fact or evidence. Pls don't bring cosmologic nonsense which is more or less a theory without proof

According to which scientific research or study that came out to glaring fact or evidence was there God? You people will not cease to amuse me. I swear.

Did you just ask for proof? Lmao, the burden of proof still dangles on your neck. Show a proof for the existence of God that you claim, else, your inability to show a proof all these years is a solid proof that there can't be God. Now, suck it up.

OpenYourEyes1:
What kind of evidence do you need? Do you want to see the pictures of GOD too?

It will be a good place to start.

Since you are tackling the Christian understanding of God I strongly disagree with I cannot complain. But then God isn't material same for the mind which is one evidence for God existing.

Akin1212:


I have realized that most of you theists believe in this sky daddy because you don't think deep

This is so true. I have noticed this aswell.

Noone will be able to provide any concrete evidence for God's existene because none exists. God is simply a mental idol. A powerful one too, it seems, more powerful than a physical idol. Cuz the worshipers can carry it around everywhere they go and the lack of a physical form gives it this 'spiritual' aura but it is an idol none the less one that exists purely in the mind of believers

UyiIredia:
Since you are tackling the Christian understanding of God I strongly disagree with I cannot complain. But then God isn't material same for the mind which is one evidence for God existing.

How can a non material being which by the way has no proof of existence bring forth material things? Do you have any hypothetical and plausible mechanism? Even if you don't, at least show a proof for the existence of this being.

You cannot make a comparison wth the mind. Firstly, the mind is not a spiritual concept. Secondly, the mind is not a being. Thirdly, the mind does not have an army of angels, a kingdom and a rival. You have simple introduced a straw man and it is not welcomed. There is no correlation between the mind and God that warrants comparison of any sort.

The mind is an abstract term for the connection of thoughts.

Are you saying God cannot be proved to exist?

Akin1212:
And in all this you cannot really sense that you are the ignorant and blind one here?

Not in plainly seeing the evidence for God, acknowledging my own frailty - and on the basis of that seeking Him.

Akin1212:
I said the idea was held by illiterate cavemen, not written by illiterate cavemen. Sometimes, in fact, all the time, you don't disappoint in showing how much ignorance is in you, just like peak milk. It's in you

By it is held and written by those who are not illiterate or "cavemen" to this very day. Your people, your tribe if you will, do they have a script of their own? One for recording their own language? When was the first "storey" building in your village . Yet here you are at once condemning some as illiterate and "cavemen", when those words are in fact emblematic of your whole lineage

Akin1212:
Ideas can be held, passed or taught to others who will write them down. Of course, I had to tell you that. I have realized that most of you theists believe in this sky daddy because you don't think deeply.

Maybe it's not about thinking deeply, rather thinking honestly. Not prating in our knowledge, but realising how little we truly know. But at once thinking and knowing enough to appreciate the evidence as presented.

Akin1212:
You now want to lie for God and introduce a straw man? Give solid proof and evidence for the God you worship or suck it up.

God does not need me to defend Him, any more than your pathetic attempts to make demands of Him merit His attention.

Having said that. I have pointed you to the evidence. The choice as to whether to critically examine it, or, fall back on to fables that allow you to sneer at those whose intellectual - let alone spiritual - spit would have drowned you without trace, is yours.


Like I said, humility.


All the best
TV


^{Psalm 14 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.}

TV01:

Not in plainly seeing the evidence for God, acknowledging my own frailty - and on the basis of that seeking Him.


By it is held and written by those who are not illiterate or "cavemen" to this very day. Your people, your tribe if you will, do they have a script of their own? One for recording their own language? When was the first "storey" building in your village . Yet here you are at once condemning some as illiterate and "cavemen", when those words are in fact emblematic of your whole lineage

Lwkmd, ad hominem again. It's always this and not evidence. This has nothing to do with the evidence we ask. Prove that your favourite imaginary sky daddy is real. Simple enough!

TV01:


Maybe it's not about thinking deeply, rather thinking honestly. Not prating in our knowledge, but realising how little we truly know. But at once thinking and knowing enough to appreciate the evidence as presented.

God does not need me to defend Him, any more than your pathetic attempts to make demands of Him merit His attention.

Having said that. I have pointed you to the evidence. The choice as to whether to critically examine it, or, fall back on to fables that allow you to sneer at those whose intellectual - let alone spiritual - spit would have drowned you without trace, is yours.

Honestly thinking, I have told you that there is no God. There can't be one. Your acceptance that he isn't bothered about my quest is enough proof, your inability to give objective evidence is enough proof that there is no God. If we truly know little then it's no ones fault that we don't believe. If we truly know little then it's the responsibility of the God to let us know more. But because he is imainary and not real, he can't do anything about it. Why are you so daft?

Because we know little, therefore we must believe without evidence? Knowing little is a prompt to know more by investigting, not believing.

You have a condition called cognitive dissonance. You just said we know little, now you're saying you have shown me the evidence for the existence of God. Do you have a wrong understanding of what an evidence means?

TV01:


^{Psalm 14 - The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.}

Only a fool believes in magical beings without proofs or evidence to substantiate their claims. Only a fool believes that there is a spiritual kingdom where a spiritual daddy is sitted on the throne

Throne, kingdom, and army, all these things are human inventions.

Come, how old are you?

Akin1212:


According to which scientific research or study that came out to glaring fact or evidence was there God? You people will not cease to amuse me. I swear.

Did you just ask for proof? Lmao, the burden of proof still dangles on your neck. Show a proof for the existence of God that you claim, else, your inability to show a proof all these years is a solid proof that there can't be God. Now, suck it up.

What proof are you still waiting for? How many time will one have to re-iterate that the creation of the heaven and the Earth is L1 proof that God exists. Other Level of proof have been debated upon so it will be unwise to start afresh.

You shift the goal post from DOES NOT cum CANNOT. Well made you think or assume so is the question

Sometimes, argument is not meant to be won but to pass your information, but is seems like a mockery if your aim of creating discussion is not tangible

Edit: I see that you Accord yourself a glory of deep thinking, FYI there are millions of folks who think and reason more than you do and are theist. Isaac Newton is more a Theologian than a Scientist. And I can tell you that deep thinking ma me realize how easy it was for God to say $earth = new planet(); and the Earth was created, am sure you understand that.

Akin1212:
Lwkmd, ad hominem again. It's always this and not evidence. This has nothing to do with the evidence we ask. Prove that your favourite imaginary sky daddy is real. Simple enough!

How is it ad-hominem? You described people who believe in God as cavemen and illiterates. I asked if your own people - whoever they are - have a written script of their own, and when storey building commenced amongst them. To highlight that 1. Through time, people who believed God have been anything but illiterate and cavemen and 2. that you are in no way positioned to refer to them in a derogatory sense. Unless of course you can show me the script your people invented ? It's not laugh that should be killing you, it's shame .

Akin1212:
Honestly thinking, I have told you that there is no God. There can't be one. Your acceptance that he isn't bothered about my quest is enough proof, your inability to give objective evidence is enough proof that there is no God. If we truly know little then it's no ones fault that we don't believe. If we truly know little then it's the responsibility of the God to let us know more. But because he is imainary and not real, he can't do anything about it. Why are you so daft?

And God has presented clear evidence to His existence - as I clearly noted in my initial offer of assistance . That you reject it on the basis of your own "intellectual prowess" and desire to believe "alternatives" is your choice. No problem for God and no problem for me .

Akin1212:
Because we know little, therefore we must believe without evidence? Knowing little is a prompt to know more by investigting, not believing.

No one asked you to believe without evidence. I pointed some out to you and invited you to investigate.

Akin1212:
You have a condition called cognitive dissonance. You just said we know little, now you're saying you have shown me the evidence for the existence of God. Do you have a wrong understanding of what an evidence means?

That we know little does not mean that we don't know enough to arrive at the right conclusion from the evidence presented. And consequently take the next logical step.

Akin1212:
Only a fool believes in magical beings without proofs or evidence to substantiate their claims. Only a fool believes that there is a spiritual kingdom where a spiritual daddy is sitted on the throne

I agree. In lieu of proof or substantiation of any kind. However, the evidence is there - and glaring

Akin1212:
Throne, kingdom, and army, all these things are human inventions.

Even if so?

Akin1212:
Come, how old are you?

Old enough to have camped at your current position for years. To have demonstrated umpteen times more hubris, and mercifully, been shown the error of my ways.

It's good you are here. If you truly knew there was no God, you wouldn't waste your limited time arguing about him. CogDiss or what .


The choice his yours. I pray mercy speeds it on and leads you aright.


Best
TV

^{Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:}

TV01:

How is it ad-hominem? You described people who believe in God as cavemen and illiterates. I asked if your own people - whoever they are - have a written script of their own, and when storey building commenced amongst them. To highlight that 1. Through time, people who believed God have been anything but illiterate and cavemen and 2. that you are in no way positioned to refer to them in a derogatory sense. Unless of course you can show me the script your people invented ? It's not laugh that should be killing you, it's shame .

And to think you just called someone a fool, while the glass of irony shatters on your empty skull

Again let me remind you that holding an idea is different from writing down an idea. I won't have to keep repeating it to a supposed wise one like you, would I? Lol.

Whether my people or family have written anything is out of the argument, it's not even what we are talking about. Stay on point and stop threading the path of mentioning my family or my people. I know you might be tempted judging by your level of IQ to hug ad hominem and straw man, but stay focused. We are interested in those who started the concept of God , they were cavemen.

TV01:


And God has presented clear evidence to His existence - as I clearly noted in my initial offer of assistance . That you reject it on the basis of your own "intellectual prowess" and desire to believe "alternatives" is your choice. No problem for God and no problem for me .

What is the evidence that God has presented? List them please

TV01:


No one asked you to believe without evidence. I pointed some out to you and invited you to investigate.

You have not pointed any evidence.
Enumerate or list them and also show how they are evidence for God?

TV01:


That we know little does not mean that we don't know enough to arrive at the right conclusion from the evidence presented. And consequently take the next logical step.

What little do we know that is just enough?

TV01:


Even if so?

It means it's all human concepts.

TV01:


Old enough to have camped at your current position for years. To have demonstrated umpteen times more hubris, and mercifully, been shown the error of my ways.

It's good you are here. If you truly knew there was no God, you wouldn't waste your limited time arguing about him. CogDiss or what .

Lol, your ignorance is fun to behold.

You're just as old to still hung up to childhood stories. That's a real shame.

[s]The choice his yours. I pray mercy speeds it on and leads you aright.


^{Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:}[/s]
[/quote]

GoodMuyis:


What proof are you still waiting for? How many time will one have to re-iterate that the creation of the heaven and the Earth is L1 proof that God exists. Other Level of proof have been debated upon so it will be unwise to start afresh.

You shift the goal post from DOES NOT cum CANNOT. Well made you think or assume so is the question

Sometimes, argument is not meant to be won but to pass your information, but is seems like a mockery if your aim of creating discussion is not tangible

Edit: I see that you Accord yourself a glory of deep thinking, FYI there are millions of folks who think and reason more than you do and are theist. Isaac Newton is more a Theologian than a Scientist. And I can tell you that deep thinking ma me realize how easy it was for God to say $earth = new planet(); and the Earth was created, am sure you understand that.

Lwkmd, what exactly do you mean by the creation of heaven and the earth? Wo told you it was created? How did you get to that conclusion?

But to give you a second chance, are you saying the earth is a proof for superman's existence? What is heaven, any proof of that?

Can't you see that you are just raising dust instead of providing evidence? You are just filling gaps bro, you're not providing evidence.

As far as I am concerned, I created the heavens and the earth, and that should be enough evidence that I did. Don't tell me you don't believe it.

Akin1212:


How can a non material being which by the way has no proof of existence bring forth material things? Do you have any hypothetical and plausible mechanism? Even if you don't, at least show a proof for the existence of this being.

Do you believe space-time is non-physical and produced the universe? That's how I see it in a sense. Proof would have to be physical which is impossible if the being is non-material. I can only work with arguments.

Akin1212:


You cannot make a comparison wth the mind. Firstly, the mind is not a spiritual concept. Secondly, the mind is not a being. Thirdly, the mind does not have an army of angels, a kingdom and a rival. You have simple introduced a straw man and it is not welcomed. There is no correlation between the mind and God that warrants comparison of any sort.

The mind is spirit. It is a being. But I agree it has no army of angels and kingdom but it does have an interesting rivalry with the physical. Do you realize that the people you criticize see God as some sort of Mind.

Akin1212:



The mind is an abstract term for the connection of thoughts.

Yeah. And thoughts make the person.

Akin1212:


Are you saying God cannot be proved to exist?

Not physically. It is more of a mental think to know God exists. And I meant that in the extreme sense since even if God does a miracle like blast forth angels across the Earth a determined atheist won't believe. That's why it's a mental think to know God exists.