Stop blurring the lines. There's nothing like ladies trousers. Are you saying if the make men's skirt, you will wear them? Even health wise, trousers causes vagina irritation for ladies. There's a topic on that on front page.
Is robe/gown for men or women? What did Jesus and His disciples wear?
You are blessed. However I need your opinion on this matter. Someone on this platform said some Christian sisters put on trousers in Northern China because of cold. I argued with him but he made reference to some of my our Christian brethren that do not wear trousers over here but started wearing it when they got to China . What do you think?
Answer: The question about whether Christian women should wear pants or slacks is an issue that is raised about externals when the life of the child of God should rather be about a spiritual relationship based upon our position in Christ as believers. The obedience of a child of God is not measured by what clothing we wear but by our walk in the Spirit ( Galatians 5:16 ). When looking at “doubtful things," we need to use Scripture in context for the principles that will help us walk as believers, which means considering the dispensation and the whole counsel of God and not taking passages out of context. There is a passage in the Old Testament that speaks about a woman wearing men's clothing: "A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this" ( Deuteronomy 22:5 ). The context of this passage is the second giving of the law to the nation of Israel as they were poised to enter the Promised Land. Deuteronomy 22:5 is an admonition not to live as a transvestite. This has to do with more than just clothing; it also speaks of a life that emulates in every way those of the opposite sex. Transvestitism was a practice of the Canaanites, and Israel was to consider it an abomination. We take a principle from this and apply it to our lives as believers, but we must use it in the context in which it is given and do so in relation to the dispensation of grace. The Apostle Paul wrote extensively on the difference between the law and grace in Romans. We are not justified by our adherence to the law, but we are justified by faith in Christ ( Romans 3:21-28 ). The believer in Christ Jesus is "dead" to the constraints of the law. "But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code" ( Romans 7:6). Therefore, a believer does not live by legalism, nor by license, but rather by grace. What has that to do with a believing woman wearing pants? There is no biblical law that says what a woman should wear or not wear. Rather, the issue is one of modesty. Paul addresses the modesty of women in his first letter to Timothy. "I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God" ( 1 Timothy 2:9-10 ). The Greek word translated modest is kosmios, which occurs twice in the New Testament, once as "modest" in this passage and once as "of good behavior" in 1 Timothy 3:2 . It came to mean "well-arranged, seemly, and modest." The word clothes is the Greek word katastole. The meaning of the word was "to send or to let down or lower." It was primarily a garment that was let down and in that day referred to a stole or a loose outer garment worn by kings and persons of rank. Since we know that Paul was not speaking to people of rank, the context here is simply modest attire, and it does not specify what that entails. Paul addressed this issue here because the women in the church were trying to outdo each other in how they dressed, and the flashier the better. They were losing sight of the things that should adorn a godly woman—humility, sobriety, godliness, and good works. The words "dress modestly" are not used here in the context of specific garments, but rather to being clad in a modest covering. It should not be used to prove a prohibition against wearing pants (also see 1 Peter 3:3-4 ). So, the issue is that a woman should wear modest clothing. Whether or not that includes a pair of slacks should be a matter for the woman's own conscience before the LORD. If a woman allows her outward appearance to be the measure of her inward relationship with Christ, she is living under the constraints of legalism. Born-again women are free in Christ to wear whatever modest apparel they choose, and the only judgment they should be under is that of their own conscience. "Everything that does not come from faith is sin" ( Romans 14:23 ). We are not to allow our consciences to be dictated to by legalism and the consciences of others, but by our own relationship with Christ. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me" ( Galatians 2:20 ). God will take care of the outward woman if we walk in obedience in the inward woman.
The difference you see is caused by the hips of ladies. The jeans they wear is not different from the skinny jeans boys wear. Fashion designers are the ones fooling you all to believe trousers have female version. Of male skirts come out today, will you rock it? Your answer will be no, and that's how it was when female trousers came on board until they were not normalized.
Oga,abeg this your argument no make sense. Go rest . You people like arguing about nonsense.
So a christian can be defined by what he or she wears? For your information trouser is barely 1000yrs old. Remember the law also stated that if you fail one you have fail the rest. Now can you eat fish with scales on its body. Do you wear cloths that have many colours? Do you live in a house that have balcony? If you are guilty of any of these you have fail the law that says a man cannot put on what is meant for a woman. Again for your information, we are in a relationship with God that is why we call him father. You dont call someone who didnt give birth to you father. A father and his child dont live by conditions. Religion is conditional.
These heretic pastors keep increasing by the day. Imagine the junk this man just spewed from the pulpit, saying we are not under religion but in a relationship with God. Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God? Is there even the word relationship in the Bible? Yet Christians are bring fooled by the cute phrase "we are in a relationship with God, not religion".
The sad part is that pastor Abel Damina said we are no longer under religion. Do these fake pastors even think people no longer know the Bible? How can you say we are no longer under religion but a relationship, when the word relationship is not found in the Bible, but we can find the word religion.
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
As seen above, the Bible defines religion as visiting the fatherless and widows in their time of affliction and to also keep oneself unspotted from the world. Yet this fake pastor that Daddy Freeze the agrees with is saying we are no longer under religion. He simply means we are no longer obligated to visit the fatherless and widows, and we are not to obey the word which says we should keep ourselves unspotted from the world. He simply means we can now be like the world. No wonder he advocates that females can wear trousers, a thing God hates.
For all those who might think trouser is a modern invention, read the book of Daniel which described what Shedrach, Meschach and Abrdnego wore as males. It mentions hosen which means trousers .
Daniel 3:20-21 (KJV) 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
God has promised to destroy those who wear strange apparel because he hates it.
Zephaniah 1:8 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the day of the L ORD 's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.
You are the one who is wrong. Hosen is also refer to as leggings. Which is equivalent to trousers for men.
Can you prove that men of old, I mean the time of Abraham, Isaac, James, Peter,even Jesus.....they used to put on trousers. If not shut the Bleep up. Trousers we're designed by the whites and it wasn't made for men only.... after the Bible was written. You people argue about stupid things all the time. Why not argue that women should not wear panties, since it's also men's clothing.
Her Most Royal Majesty, 'Queen Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth and Defender of the Faith'.
Look carefully now!
Thank you sir for the pictures. Some people are just plain stupid.
Olumyco: First of all, all the historical documents of trouser are not coherent. No one can actually say this is how it originated. There are many others infact there are documents who link that of women wearing trouser in US to women liberation issue. There are historical documents where it is stated that trousers were worn by men until women started wearing it. So in all the only thing I can deduce from all these is that trouser was designed with the intention of producing a clothe that suits hardwork, smart work and warfare. And when you look at that, you will agree with me that Men are the ones doing these. Hardly would you see ladies doing hard/smart work then. Not even going to battle except for very few. So the intention that brought trouser into limelight were actually things that Men are known for.
Now considering reasons why we wear clothes. We wear clothes just for three reasons. 1. To cover unclothedness 2. To protect our body 3. To look good (fashion)
Now lets look at these three things and relate it to a female wearing trousers.
Case1 A lady who puts on trouser which covers her unclothedness, protects her body and also looks good on her is actually a professional lady who is into engineering works or a lady soldier or a lady sweeping on the highway or any profession that demands hardwork or smartwork or warfare/force. One thing with this type of dressing is that the woman is not the one who will even get the trouser, the profession/company/organisation itself would make it available. The trouser is usually made such that it covers, protects and looks good. Its always free and not tight and readily match the profession intended. So its not seductive.
Case2 A lady who puts on trouser which does not cover her unclothedness but may protects her to an extent and looks good is actually our today's ladies who wear all those trousers that are tight and revealing. It is actually not for any purpose but to look fashionable because today's fashion is all about unclothedness. How much body parts and curves and co you can reveal determines how fashionable you are.
So we all can see that there is nothing like modesty in wearing a trouser if you are not into any profession....
Let's be practical, have you guys seen a trouser clothing for women that is not tight? No!
All fashionable women trousers are tight. Let's not be hypocritical about this. It is wrong for a lady to wear trouser because it reveals an area that is suggestive. The way ladies are created is different from men. That is why skirt matches a lady's design more than trouser.
In NYSC ladies are given trousers because of the design of NYSC programme which includes force/military training and these trousers are designed to match the training...so it is usually free but our ladies today go to slim fit the trouser to be very tight because they want to reveal their curves to you and seduce you. So what are we saying? Can a lady wear a trouser that is not tight? People will think such a lady has HIV or a kind of disease.
In Christianity motive/intent/purpose is very important. So tell me the motive or intent or purpose behind why a Christian lady will put on trouser? Having considered all that is above, our answer to this question solves the issue.
Modesty is being able to dress to cover your unclothedness and at thesame time look good.
1 Timothy 2:9 (KJV) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
There's trouser for women that's not tight. It's called PALAZZO. Thanks.
These heretic pastors keep increasing by the day. Imagine the junk this man just spewed from the pulpit, saying we are not under religion but in a relationship with God. Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God? Is there even the word relationship in the Bible? Yet Christians are bring fooled by the cute phrase "we are in a relationship with God, not religion".
The sad part is that pastor Abel Damina said we are no longer under religion. Do these fake pastors even think people no longer know the Bible? How can you say we are no longer under religion but a relationship, when the word relationship is not found in the Bible, but we can find the word religion.
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
As seen above, the Bible defines religion as visiting the fatherless and widows in their time of affliction and to also keep oneself unspotted from the world. Yet this fake pastor that Daddy Freeze the agrees with is saying we are no longer under religion. He simply means we are no longer obligated to visit the fatherless and widows, and we are not to obey the word which says we should keep ourselves unspotted from the world. He simply means we can now be like the world. No wonder he advocates that females can wear trousers, a thing God hates.
For all those who might think trouser is a modern invention, read the book of Daniel which described what Shedrach, Meschach and Abrdnego wore as males. It mentions hosen which means trousers .
Daniel 3:20-21 (KJV) 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
God has promised to destroy those who wear strange apparel because he hates it.
Zephaniah 1:8 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the day of the L ORD 's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.
Ans then when I ask you what are the Commamdments you are expected to obey, you either refer me back to the Laws given to Moses and the tribes of Israel or some laws concocted by some pastor or church. Very few are seriously interested in what God is saying.... commanding.
Without knowing through the Spirit of God what God is actually saying at that moment is like a blind man shopping. It cannot be a complete experience and it will be error strewn and hazardous.
It is only the Spirit of God that can traverse times and seasons and understand the complexities of cultures and traditions throughout the world and will deliver to your soul an answer, an instruction or a commandment that will both satisfy God, His Word (Jesus Christ) and edify you according to His purpose.
All these mundane arguments about trousers and skirts shows how shallow, near sighted and narrow minded we all are. You can never follow the law alone and survive. Ask His Spirit for answers. He is your Counselor.
All you said here are jargons, mumbo-jumbo.
"I will say to them depart from me you that work INIQUITY I never knew you"
woleabayo: thou shall not judge so as not to be judge bro.....
"the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48
Everyone will be judged by the scripture. You owe to yourself to know the truth and not reject when you are told that truth. The judge is the one that punishes.
Ans then when I ask you what are the Commamdments you are expected to obey, you either refer me back to the Laws given to Moses and the tribes of Israel or some laws concocted by some pastor or church. Very few are seriously interested in what God is saying.... commanding.
What is the commandment?
"Abstain from all appearance of evil" 1 Thessalonians 5:17
These heretic pastors keep increasing by the day. Imagine the junk this man just spewed from the pulpit, saying we are not under religion but in a relationship with God. Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God? Is there even the word relationship in the Bible? Yet Christians are bring fooled by the cute phrase "we are in a relationship with God, not religion".
The sad part is that pastor Abel Damina said we are no longer under religion. Do these fake pastors even think people no longer know the Bible? How can you say we are no longer under religion but a relationship, when the word relationship is not found in the Bible, but we can find the word religion.
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
As seen above, the Bible defines religion as visiting the fatherless and widows in their time of affliction and to also keep oneself unspotted from the world. Yet this fake pastor that Daddy Freeze the agrees with is saying we are no longer under religion. He simply means we are no longer obligated to visit the fatherless and widows, and we are not to obey the word which says we should keep ourselves unspotted from the world. He simply means we can now be like the world. No wonder he advocates that females can wear trousers, a thing God hates.
For all those who might think trouser is a modern invention, read the book of Daniel which described what Shedrach, Meschach and Abrdnego wore as males. It mentions hosen which means trousers .
Daniel 3:20-21 (KJV) 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
God has promised to destroy those who wear strange apparel because he hates it.
Zephaniah 1:8 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the day of the L ORD 's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.
when u quote Bible verses abeg try dey back am up with new testament when life was renewed... All these olden days verses Na for lol of that time . As u dey quote so , make I tell u now say the holy communion was alcohol N unsweetened bread back then ...
Is wearing trousers as a female not affecting your relationship with humans? Don't trousers bring it your curves in such a way that makes men sin?
Are you some dog who cannot control itself that the curves of my trousers will make you sin dadi? Would you stick a burqa on me too while you're at it instead of chopping your sinning priq off!
I don't have that problem, dadi. Rather than sin with my eyes and having to pluck em out, I, avert my eyes. I still need them, see.
These heretic pastors keep increasing by the day. Imagine the junk this man just spewed from the pulpit, saying we are not under religion but in a relationship with God. Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God? Is there even the word relationship in the Bible? Yet Christians are bring fooled by the cute phrase "we are in a relationship with God, not religion".
The sad part is that pastor Abel Damina said we are no longer under religion. Do these fake pastors even think people no longer know the Bible? How can you say we are no longer under religion but a relationship, when the word relationship is not found in the Bible, but we can find the word religion.
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
As seen above, the Bible defines religion as visiting the fatherless and widows in their time of affliction and to also keep oneself unspotted from the world. Yet this fake pastor that Daddy Freeze the agrees with is saying we are no longer under religion. He simply means we are no longer obligated to visit the fatherless and widows, and we are not to obey the word which says we should keep ourselves unspotted from the world. He simply means we can now be like the world. No wonder he advocates that females can wear trousers, a thing God hates.
For all those who might think trouser is a modern invention, read the book of Daniel which described what Shedrach, Meschach and Abrdnego wore as males. It mentions hosen which means trousers .
Daniel 3:20-21 (KJV) 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
God has promised to destroy those who wear strange apparel because he hates it.
Zephaniah 1:8 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the day of the L ORD 's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.
According to your logic, women should not join the Nigerian Army because they will be required to wear trousers during combat. Secondly, women must wear skirts or wrappers when engaging in phisical activities like jogging instead of joggers. Also, men in Scotland will go to hell because they wear skirts, which is traditionally men's atire in their country.
Lastly, Zeph 1:8 is a metaphor. Just as the scriptures say'...the Son of Man is clothed in righteousness" does not mean there is a 'material fabric' sewn into some garment, so it is with the 'defiling clothes' mentioned in Zeph.
You are very shallow, and your arrogance will not let you see beyond your nose. When Jesus says 'cut off your right hand if it causes you to sin', I am sure you will advice people to literally cut off their hands.
You will not see the flaw in your logic now. But the fact is that you couldn't be more wrong. There is always something in common with people who reason like you. They all have very low IQ and so explaining deep things to them is almost as futile as attempting to light fire on water. Christianity becomes problematic whenever people with low IQ are made to teach the scriptures.
I do not need to study different textbooks when i know the RIGHT TEXTBOOK to use. It has been tested and it is found to be true. Fellowship does not equal relationship. You are such a confused fella. You can have relationship and not fellowship with the person. When you are living in London and your family is living in Lagos, Nigeria. You have relationship but not fellowshipping with them.
Other versons are from the corrupt maniscript which Westcott abd Hort used for their selfish gain. Other versions taught works salvation, corrupted WORD OF GOD.
MuttleyLaff: thank you ....even the bible qouat in new testerment that behold old things has passed away and everything are become new.
If pesin comment now, pipul soon go be saying itootok, so instead I will ask you this request and questions alBHAGDADI: 1/ Kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, please soon explain to us, the reason behind why, in the Bible, God said cross dressing strikingly, is an abomination to Him and the cause why women should abstain from wearing what belongs to men, likewise men what belongs to women 2/ Do you have evidence of Denrele or Bobrisky hiding the fact and truth to anyone that they are males? 3/ Leave trousers for one side, if you arent comfortable seeing women wearing them. Is it OK for women to wear agbada, shirts, baseball caps, hmm? 4/ Dont males from the East, the urhobos to be precise, tie wrappers as part of their culture, hmm? 5/ What is the recurrent feature showing in the following bible verses: Ruth 3:9, 1 Samuel 24:5, Ezekiel 16:8, Zechariah 8:23 6/ As for a Scot, what should become of his kilt, a knee-length non-bifurcated skirt with pleats at the back hmm?
woleabayo, Sally97 and bankylan, you trio guys, dont seem to know nwanne, my customer mi, daada ni, nwanne alBHAGDADI.
Let me introduce you to who alBHAGDADI is and what he stands for. He is a certified and bonafide pharisaical, intolerant, bigoted, narrow-minded, small-minded tithe merchant who validates, spreads and promotes obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing and by cherry picking, would with great effort or energy, say and do anything or something to have legal right or a just claim to receive or have something to do with the sense of entitlement to obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing. All this, his posts upandan the forum, about old testament laws being valid etcetera, is a ruse, a ruse for tithing, an exercise in smoke and mirrors for me.
He is my very good customer. We have regular transactions together. The most recent one, I have asked him many times over, to please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, that's if at all if he really does know, to soon explain to us, the reason behind why, in the Bible, God said cross dressing is an abomination to Him and that women should abstain from wearing what belongs to men, likewise men what belongs to women, but this request seems to be hard and difficult for him to deliver and give answers to.
Agrogbeide knows this man, my nwanne alBHAGDADI very well, that he can't answer direct questions. Nwanne alBHAGDADI cant give any knowledge or information, especially if and when, he doesnt have it above
When people dont at all understand what they are talking about, it is this sort of behaviour of developing cold feet, clamping up and become silent suddenly, over not able to explain the something and/or reason why it is an abomination to God. Of course, I dont blame him for evading and/or avoiding replying to the question(s). This normally happens when you dont know, I dont expect him to give what he doesnt have from above.
LAZY, SPIRITUALLY UNEDUCATED AND UNTHINKING NIGERIAN CHRISTIAN What we see ALL OVER this thread (as well as in others too) is what years of LACK of good foundational education in schools and lack of PROPER DOCTRINAL teachings in the church have done to Nigerians. The Nigerian Christian can no longer REASON. He fully accepts a SECTARIAN point of view and runs with it.
THROWING AWAY THE BABY WITH THE BATH WATER A man makes a comment and, whether he is right or not, because he does not belong to your “group”, he is dismissed outright. You don’t even bother to look at the merit of his position. A Christian is shown what the Bible says but as long as it CONFLICTS with his “group’s” position he refuses to accept it. In doing this he lacks a VERY BASIC thing necessary for LEARNING that the Bible talks about over and over again – HUMILITY. The Nigerian Christian thinks he has known it all when the cloudiness of his eyes only makes him see just a bit of the entire TIP of the iceberg.
SHALLOW COMMENTS How can someone like albhagdadi make statements like: “These heretic pastors” – does he know what heretic means? “Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God?” – Really? Are we members of God’s family and NOT in a relationship with him? Is the Christian under a dos and don’ts system to qualify for salvation or is it all that God has done to provide eternal life for him by entering him into UNION with Christ for ever? Which is “RELIGION”, and which is “RELATIONSHIP”? I think muttleylaff has aptly summarized him. Look at ohmyade who said the Queen of England “never wears trousers” as if he lives with her, and when someone posted pictures he couldn’t even come back to say, “I’m sorry, I didn’t do my HOMEWORK well” All he does is remain silent and look for another opportunity to carelessly make a comment.
ISSUES IRRELEVANT TO THE CHRISTIAN’S SPIRITUAL LIFE Look at this current issue – why emphasize only trousers? To throw back the issues at supporters of banning of trousers – Can they show us EXACTLY where the Bible used the WORD “Trousers”? how many of those who shout so loudly against trouser wearing criticize wrapper wearing by men? What of other clothings mentioned by others on this thread?
WARNING – THERE IS FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN tbaby534 summarized it – “Nigeria is on fire and we are arguing about trouser wearing”. 99.9% of Christians in Nigeria don’t know this. They are fed daily with “All is Well”, “You shall be the head and not the tail”, and other nonsensical doctrines of demons. Unfortunately, it’s some MEANINGLESS issues that seem to ATTRACT the attention of Nigerian Christians.
Ask the Nigerian Christian about justification, he doesn’t know. Ash him about his position in Christ, he is lost. Ask him about propitiation, he will say it is big grammar. Break it down for him and he is still at sea. What of reconciliation, regeneration, imputation, etc – he knows next to nothing about them. He majors in the irrelevant and has completely disregarded the more important.
SHALLOW COMMENTS How can someone like albhagdadi make statements like: “These heretic pastors” – does he know what heretic means? “Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God?” – Really? Are we members of God’s family and NOT in a relationship with him? Is the Christian under a dos and don’ts system to qualify for salvation or is it all that God has done to provide eternal life for him by entering him into UNION with Christ for ever? Which is “RELIGION”, and which is “RELATIONSHIP”?
ISSUES IRRELEVANT TO THE CHRISTIAN’S SPIRITUAL LIFE Look at this current issue – why emphasize only trousers? To throw back the issues at supporters of banning of trousers – Can they show us EXACTLY where the Bible used the WORD “Trousers”? how many of those who shout so loudly against trouser wearing criticize wrapper wearing by men? What of other clothings mentioned by others on this thread?
WARNING – THERE IS FIRE ON THE MOUNTAIN tbaby534 summarized it – “Nigeria is on fire and we are arguing about trouser wearing”. 99.9% of Christians in Nigeria don’t know this. They are fed daily with “All is Well”, “You shall be the head ant not the tail”, and other nonsensical doctrines of demons. Unfortunately, it’s some MEANINGLESS issues that seem to ATTRACT the attention of Nigerian Christians.
Ask the Nigerian Christian about justification, he doesn’t know. Ash him about his position in Christ, he is lost. Ask him about propitiation, he will say it is big grammar. Break it down for him and he is still at sea. What of reconciliation, regeneration, imputation, etc – he knows next to nothing about them. He majors in the irrelevant and has completely disregarded the more important.
An heretic is he who preaches a gospel other than what the Apostles of Jesus Christ preached. Such a person is accursed.
Where in the Bible does it say we are no longer under religion? Since no one can find such, then it means Pastor Abel Damina preached heresy and is an heretic, especially when I showed from the Bible that we are still under religion.
You see, when you say you are in a relationship with God, that idea makes you think you can do whatever you like. No dude, God is the boss and he created all things for his pleasure.
Revelations 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created
You are out here on Earth to do his pleasure and will. You have no say in the issue unless you want to hold God by his words of blessing you, which is still his words, not what you just compelled him to say. But in a relationship, it is give and take, whereby if you decide not to give again, no one will punish you. But with God, you get punished for not giving because what he requires of you actually belongs to him. We are God's servant and he's the Boss.
We are not under dos and don'ts system as prerequisite for salvation, but we are under that system as prerequisite to find favour in God's eyes while living on Earth. Failure to obey God's commandments as clearly stated from Genesis to Revelations is a recipe for disaster.
The Bible did talk about trousers and it says it was worn by men. Hosen in the verse below means trousers. Google up.
Daniel 3:21 King James Version (KJV) Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
The doctrine against cross-dressing is not a meaningless issue but a serious one. May God open your eyes to see it. You want us to focus on the huge issues bothering Nigeria while we neglect the small ones, as if it's not small issued that grow mighty.
Everything you mentioned in your last paragraph are things I've taught about here on Nairaland. Yet you want to silence me for speaking against females wearing trousers? Look dude, Paul said we shod teach all doctrines whether in season or out of season
2 Timothy 4:2 King James Version (KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
You are a shame to Christianity for trying to silence me for teaching the truth.
woleabayo: oga have seen a deeper life sister that pick up a theater art course in school but she does not wear trouser ...but when she gets to the department the hod let her knows that to be successful in that course whenever shes coming for rehearses she need to put on the department wear which her sweat pant and white t shirt ...she has no option than to abide....( my point is there are some profession that require you wearing trousers will you say cos you are a Christine you will not pick the job) NYSC as an example
There are some Christians sisters that I knew served and never put on the service trouser, but rather skirt
woleabayo: you see when we talk about trouser ..we have ladies trouser that were specially made for them..and we have mens trousers ....where the sin comes from is when the lady picked the one ment for guys and wear ok.... why cant we say men,man or guys tying towel is using ladies wear no or the eastern people that wrapper is their traditional wear can we say its a sin? because they put on women clothes..so when talking of issues like this it takes sensitive thinking before you reply(am not saying pastor kumuyi is wrong ....and am not saying the other pastor is right.." think deep ok
Deut 22:5 is an express command from God, don't use logic to manipulate or argue it. Logic will fail.
If you believe that Satan can enter into Judas, how will it be difficult that he enter into other human and cause them to invent evil. Roman's 1:30
sagenaija: LAZY, SPIRITUALLY UNEDUCATED AND UNTHINKING NIGERIAN CHRISTIAN What we see ALL OVER this thread (as well as in others too) is what years of LACK of good foundational education in schools and lack of PROPER DOCTRINAL teachings in the church have done to Nigerians. The Nigerian Christian can no longer REASON. He fully accepts a SECTARIAN point of view and runs with it.
Please Don't insult Nigeria, There Asian Churches who, American Christians who still stand on Deut 22:5
SHALLOW COMMENTS How can someone like albhagdadi make statements like: “These heretic pastors” – does he know what heretic means? “Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God?” – Really? Are we members of God’s family and NOT in a relationship with him? Is the Christian under a dos and don’ts system to qualify for salvation or is it all that God has done to provide eternal life for him by entering him into UNION with Christ for ever? Which is “RELIGION”, and which is “RELATIONSHIP”?
Dealing with God does not position us in absolute liberty, there are Dos and Don't,
Example of Do: Come out from among and be ye separate Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel Pray without ceasing
Example of Don'ts: Go and sin no more Remove not the ancient landmark with thy fathers hath set Be not unequally yoked together with unbelievers
Ask the Nigerian Christian about justification, he doesn’t know. Ash him about his position in Christ, he is lost. Ask him about propitiation, he will say it is big grammar. Break it down for him and he is still at sea. What of reconciliation, regeneration, imputation, etc – he knows next to nothing about them. He majors in the irrelevant and has completely disregarded the more important.
If Deut 22:5 became too difficult for Christian to accept, and pastor too were afraid to lose members if they ever preached such part of the Bible, then accept that it will be difficult for many Nigerian Christians to know or understand the Topics you outlined above.
Watch Paul Washer a Baptist Evangelist and Missionary describing immoral worldly style many Christian hid behind (Ignore the Video Title anyway)
2 Timothy 4:2 King James Version (KJV) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
Her Most Royal Majesty, 'Queen Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories, Head of the Commonwealth and Defender of the Faith'.
woleabayo: you see when we talk about trouser ..we have ladies trouser that were specially made for them..and we have mens trousers ....where the sin comes from is when the lady picked the one ment for guys and wear ok.... why cant we say men,man or guys tying towel is using ladies wear no or the eastern people that wrapper is their traditional wear can we say its a sin? because they put on women clothes..so when talking of issues like this it takes sensitive thinking before you reply(am not saying pastor kumuyi is wrong ....and am not saying the other pastor is right.." think deep ok
You don't even need to bother your self over this, this was a command given to the Jews, and to the Jews alone, that command doesn't concern the gentiles neither does it concern the believers of today because the law of moses is no longer what we christian are under now, what is important in this dispensation is dressing modestly weda trouser, skirt, wrapper etc. The person that is quoting deutronomy 22:5 for you, tell him to read down and see other things that were said the children of is real shouldn't do and see if even him is not doing them, we shouldn't just read a verse and stop we should always read everything in order to understand more
These heretic pastors keep increasing by the day. Imagine the junk this man just spewed from the pulpit, saying we are not under religion but in a relationship with God. Where is it written in the entire Bible that we are in a relationship with God? Is there even the word relationship in the Bible? Yet Christians are bring fooled by the cute phrase "we are in a relationship with God, not religion".
The sad part is that pastor Abel Damina said we are no longer under religion. Do these fake pastors even think people no longer know the Bible? How can you say we are no longer under religion but a relationship, when the word relationship is not found in the Bible, but we can find the word religion.
James 1:27 (KJV) Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
As seen above, the Bible defines religion as visiting the fatherless and widows in their time of affliction and to also keep oneself unspotted from the world. Yet this fake pastor that Daddy Freeze the agrees with is saying we are no longer under religion. He simply means we are no longer obligated to visit the fatherless and widows, and we are not to obey the word which says we should keep ourselves unspotted from the world. He simply means we can now be like the world. No wonder he advocates that females can wear trousers, a thing God hates.
For all those who might think trouser is a modern invention, read the book of Daniel which described what Shedrach, Meschach and Abrdnego wore as males. It mentions hosen which means trousers .
Daniel 3:20-21 (KJV) 20 And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
God has promised to destroy those who wear strange apparel because he hates it.
Zephaniah 1:8 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in the day of the L ORD 's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the L ORD thy God.
I'm beginning to suspect this your handle....typical of the confused Ola.... . As a matter of fact n truth, Kumuyi is the heretic one on this subject because he's the one teaching another gospel.
think deep ok