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Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by McKren(m): 12:48pm On May 08, 2007
Afam:

Please, answer the questions.

I have not equated not wearing the hijab to prostitution, I am talking of prostitution proper here.

Again, answer these simple questions so we can be more realistic.

We accuse the elite of confusing or deceiving the masses but it seems that even some of us are following the same path.

Does the Nigerian constitution guarantee the right of a woman to practice prostitution in any part of the country she likes even if sharia is implemented in states she may be willing to ply her trade in?

Answer this question. It is a simple and straight forward one.

Talking about confusing or trivialising the real issues, I simply don't know how prostitution found its way into this discuss. Cos the topic or the trend so far was not talking about prostitution or sex trade, but a state government compelling every student to a particular dress codes.

Well wana talk about Prostitution or whether the constitution gives any woman that right. I like to also point out that I hardly know of any section of the constitution that explicitly dwells and condenms prostitution. As much as it is morally wrong it is not a constitutional issue so how Ilegal it is under the Laws of the land is even debatable. If you know any section of the constitution that condemns sex trade please bring my awareness to it because I like to learn.

On whether it is allowed in states where sharia is practised at the moment, that simply does not arise because the practice of Sharia in any state can only be legal to the extent as it affects only muslims. I also think we need to understand what it means to practice sharia. sharia law should be practised in the sharia court of law and not on the streets. If anybody breaks the law it is for those concerned to take the offender to the sharia court who will decide whether it has jurisdiction to hear such cases. People on the streets should not usurp the duties of the sharia court by creating fear as that is lawlessness and terror.

Talking about coming home to realities, I simply don't understand what realities you want me to come home to? The reality that Nigerians living in some sections of the country have been for so long been deprived of their fundamental human rights as provided in the constitution of the fedral republic of Nigeria. Afam I urge you to read more on the sections of the constitution that dwells on fundamental human right  (with particular interests in 41 and 42) and see how much we have been decieving ourselves as a Nation.

[quote41. (1) Every citizen of Nigeria is entitled to move freely throughout Nigeria and to reside in any part thereof, and no citizen of Nigeria shall be expelled from Nigeria or refused entry thereby or exit therefrom.

(2) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall invalidate any law that is reasonably justifiable in a democratic society-

(a) imposing restrictions on the residence or movement of any person who has committed or is reasonably suspected to have committed a criminal offence in order to prevent him from leaving Nigeria; or

(b) providing for the removal of any person from Nigeria to any other country to:-

(i) be tried outside Nigeria for any criminal offence, or

(ii) undergo imprisonment outside Nigeria in execution of the sentence of a court of law in respect of a criminal offence of which he has been found guilty:

Provided that there is reciprocal agreement between Nigeria and such other country in relation to such matter.

42. (1) A citizen of Nigeria of a particular community, ethnic group, place of origin, sex, religion or political opinion shall not, by reason only that he is such a person:-

(a) be subjected either expressly by, or in the practical application of, any law in force in Nigeria or any executive or administrative action of the government, to disabilities or restrictions to which citizens of Nigeria of other communities, ethnic groups, places of origin, sex, religions or political opinions are not made subject;
or

(b) be accorded either expressly by, or in the practical application of, any law in force in Nigeria or any such executive or administrative action, any privilege or advantage that is not accorded to citizens of Nigeria of other communities, ethnic groups, places of origin, sex, religions or political opinions.

(2) No citizen of Nigeria shall be subjected to any disability or deprivation merely by reason of the circumstances of his birth.

(3) Nothing in subsection (1) of this section shall invalidate any law by reason only that the law imposes restrictions with respect to the appointment of any person to any office under the State or as a member of the armed forces of the Federation or member of the Nigeria Police Forces or to an office in the service of a body, corporate established directly by any law in force in Nigeria.

]
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stranger12: 1:03pm On May 08, 2007
Afam:

@Mckren,

Let us come home to realities so we can understand the issues better, enough of the grammar.

Are you saying that any Nigerian is guaranteed the right to practice prositution in a state that has agreed to implement sharia simply because as a non muslim sharia code of conduct cannot affect the woman?

Are you saying that it is right for non muslims living in the Northern states where sharia has been introduced are free to setup brothels and night clubs simply because they are non muslims and as such sharia does not have any effects on whatever they choose to do in those states?

Please, provide answers to these 2 questions so we can appreciate the validity or otherwise of the position of the constitution on this very important issue.

I don't quite understand your line of argument

Please don't throw logic to the wind

You, Afam should be forced to the Mosque every Friday.
And 20 strokes of the cane for your wise remarks.

Is that not the islamic law?

* * grin trying hard to beat you at your game of irrelevant point grin * *
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stranger12: 1:19pm On May 08, 2007
Afam: It is always very interesting reading from Nigerians that use their limited level of understanding as a yardstick to judge what is right or what is wrong.

Any reasonable human being will agree with the statement that the Nigeria law and legal system is based on the system in [b]Britain (A christain country)[/b] and that if a moslem nation had colonized Nigeria that sharia or Islamic legal system will most likely have been put in place.

But are we all reasonable? Certainly NO.

Don't be deceived, Britain is not a christian country!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6052608.stm
their churches are now mostly converted to museums and theatres.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by angel101(f): 2:51pm On May 08, 2007
@ Afam
have u succeeded in making a point so far?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 4:30pm On May 08, 2007
@Mckren,

Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

@angel101,

Don't lose sleep over my comments, treat them as irrelevant if you don't like them. I am not here to prove a point or make a point, I comment on topics that I like and if you are unable to understand anything don't take it personal, learn to face the issues on ground.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by somze(f): 7:52pm On May 08, 2007
Afam:

@Mckren,

Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

Rolling on the floor and laughing profusely grin grin grin
Look who is avoiding. grin grin grin
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by stimulus(m): 11:43pm On May 08, 2007
Afam:

Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

I can't believe this!!

Cheer up - we know who's been at the games all along! grin grin
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 11:48pm On May 08, 2007
al taquiyyah in action
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 12:35am On May 09, 2007
Afam:

@Mckren,

Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

talk about tactfully avoiding real issues! grin
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by naijaway(m): 2:51am On May 09, 2007
afam why don't u send ur kids if u have any or give reference to ur family and friends to go over there and study. I really believe is not a good idea even if the states are allowed to have their own laws; Last i heard it was seperate religion and state but most northern state are trying to islamize the country beginning with their states. I pray they see the implication of this cuz this might be the crack that sunk the titanic(Nigeria) but God will not let such a thing come to pass. This is in no way a plea it is just kind of telling some entities to have a foresight and acknowledge that we'r one skin but happen to worship differently. The disadvantages of this is more concrete and a lot more than the advantages.
A few disadvantages are:
*It will segregate some parts of the country at a time we are talking about unity and development.

*Other non muslim states might react and this part is serious because a lot of northern states percentages when u compare muslims to others is not much of a difference; i will reserve states in these categories.

*other states especially in the south and east are mostly coastal n can ban or react to such events especially when the sharia enforcements is in full gear.

*they can be a backlash than they expected even if Saudi or iran or dubai supports them.

*the bottom line be say we no go gree o we no go gree.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 3:12am On May 09, 2007
naijaway:

afam why don't u send your kids if u have any or give reference to your family and friends to go over there and study. I really believe is not a good idea even if the states are allowed to have their own laws; Last i heard it was seperate religion and state but most northern state are trying to islamize the country beginning with their states. I pray they see the implication of this because this might be the crack that sunk the titanic(Nigeria) but God will not let such a thing come to pass. This is in no way a plea it is just kind of telling some entities to have a foresight and acknowledge that we'r one skin but happen to worship differently. The disadvantages of this is more concrete and a lot more than the advantages.
A few disadvantages are:
*It will segregate some parts of the country at a time we are talking about unity and development.

Stop being overly emotional and lets be realistic. If Nigeria sinks (it is definitely heading in that direction), it will not be because "God allowed it" but because WE virtually pushed Nigeria over the edge.
Perhaps this will be the wake up call the south needs to finally remove the wool over their eyes and realise the only way forward is for us to remove the albatross and cancer that the north has become.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by angel101(f): 2:31pm On May 09, 2007
Afam:

@Mckren,

Since you have tactfully avoided the simple questions that would have helped clrify the issues continue with your line of logic and let Afam be.

@angel101,

Don't lose sleep over my comments, treat them as irrelevant if you don't like them. I am not here to prove a point or make a point, I comment on topics that I like and if you are unable to understand anything don't take it personal, learn to face the issues on ground.

u bore me to tears cry
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nicer(m): 5:12pm On May 09, 2007
i wonder why i always meet davidylan and babyosis on only hateful threads? especially when it's against islam or northerners. U must carry so much hate in ur hearts. make una take am easy.
anyway, on the topic proper, i don't suppose imposition of islamic laws on all. Our leaders should concentrate on providing us with a better life.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Jaybee2412(m): 5:36pm On May 09, 2007
Just when you think we are beginning to live harmoniously together as brothers and sisters, bang! another bombshell. Truly, truly our leaders are our worst enemies.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 5:50pm On May 09, 2007
@all the hate filled beings here,

You guys must be slowly dying from hatred you have for anything Islam or the North and it is showing but stinking to high heavens.

It is even the more worrisome when you notice that there are people here that never ever make any reasonable comment on issues and the only time you read their hate filled posts is when the issue has anything to do with religion or islam.

If what Afam thinks or states here really gives you people worries then it may be that the truth is bitter but funny enough whenever I come across comments that don't make sense I ignore them or trash them and I hope you guys learn to do the same.

Trying to turn threads that are raising issues into a referendum on individuals is usually the way out for people that are incapable of making their points without resorting to attacking individuals.

No one should or can be held responsible for frustrations some of you feel when you are faced with comments you cannot readily agree with.

Everyday I am faced with 2 choices - to be happy or to be sad, I usually choose to be happy. Sadness or hatred will only consume you people gradually but surely.

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Three things in life that, once gone, never come back 1. Time 2. Words 3. Age ,Three things in life that can destroy a person 1. Anger 2. Pride 3. Unforgiveness ,Three things in life that you should never lose 1. Hope 2. Peace 3. Honesty ,Three things in life that are most valuable 1. God 2. Family & Friends 3 .Love . Three things in life that are certain 1. Fortune 2. Success 3. Dreams Three things that make a person great,1. Commitment 2. Sincerity 3. Hard work .Three things that are truly constant ,Father - Son - Holy Spirit

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Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 6:36pm On May 09, 2007
Nicer:

i wonder why i always meet davidylan and babyosis on only hateful threads? especially when it's against islam or northerners. U must carry so much hate in your hearts. make una take am easy.
anyway, on the topic proper, i don't suppose imposition of islamic laws on all. Our leaders should concentrate on providing us with a better life.

What a ready made excuse! Simply tag those who dont follow the prevailing winds of political correctness as "hateful". Read through my posts carefully, only a blind man, biased and afraid of the truth will tag them as hateful.
What is more hateful, posting the TRUTH on a web forum or going about killing people in the name of "god"?

I dont carry hate in my heart, it is a sheer waste of time and energy. Rather i do not subscribe to muffling the truth in order to gain acceptance among those who would not spare a thought to remove my head for "desecrating" the quran.

Back to topic:
Shekarau told us sharia would not apply to non-muslims in the beginning. Tell us why he lied rather than hiding under the "hate" banner.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 6:52pm On May 09, 2007
davidylan:

Back to topic:
Shekarau told us sharia would not apply to non-muslims in the beginning. Tell us why he lied rather than hiding under the "hate" banner.

I think there are a lot of issues that our law makers need to clarify in that constitution especially controversial ones.

If a state implements sharia and they maintain that sharia will only affect muslims how can we imagine a scenario where sharia prohibits indecent dressing for the muslim women and at the same time non muslim women are allowed to walk around with breasts almost popping out of their tops and mini skirts just because the sharia has nothing to do with them?

How can such a scenario play out in reality.

Again, looking at the issue without the simplistic and hate ideology will do more good than harm.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Ikomi(m): 7:09pm On May 09, 2007
@Afam.

Reading through the thread clearly, I can honestly see u have a point.

I think some issues needs clearification in the constitution. Not only in the constitution but also to the Nigerian public, so we could all live in peace.

your point needs good analysis to actually get a good drift of it.

Now Afam please put me right if am wrong. In some states in the US u could practise prostitution as a legal bizness, and in some states it is illegal. So invariable are u saying that if Kano as a state has adopted Sharia as its legal body, and part of its rule is dat all school children must wear a veil, then it is left 4 the child to choose if she would rather live in Kano to get good education and wear a veil or move to another state where she would not wear a veil and still get good education.

But wat that constitution u posted reads is Sharia Court of Appeal how does that bind on all the citizens.

Please correct my understanding if at anypoint it is wrong.

Thanks for the info.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 7:39pm On May 09, 2007
Afam:

I think there are a lot of issues that our law makers need to clarify in that constitution especially controversial ones.

If a state implements sharia and they maintain that sharia will only affect muslims how can we imagine a scenario where sharia prohibits indecent dressing for the muslim women and at the same time non muslim women are allowed to walk around with breasts almost popping out of their tops and mini skirts just because the sharia has nothing to do with them?

That is why many are asking questions about the practicability of having sharia law in a country that is assumed to be multi-religious. That sharia law will only apply to non-muslims or that it is only restricted to a certain part of the country is not a good enough excuse for our representatives to sweep it under the carpet.
Like you pointed out, what court do i go to if i have a quarrel with my muslim neighbour in Kano? Should i follow him to his sharia court and risk losing my head or do we both go to the conventional courts?

Should we because we dont want to offend advocates of sharia now decide to implement a dress code for all women, christian or muslim? Much as sharia advocates have a right to practice their belief without interference so do we reserve the right to dress as we please in whatever state so long as we are still bound by the same constitution. Should Kano and other sharia states choose to form their own islamic republic of Arewa and stop drawing from southern funds, then we will have no problems whatsoever should they choose to make Sharia a national law.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by naijaway(m): 8:51pm On May 09, 2007
EVERYONE got a point but if sheraku is that determined then naija is definately headed for war which is my only point. My hope 'll be that he looks at all the options because Nigerian southerners and easterners are not punks and this will really bring that to light when he dares implements such laws. The annoying thing is that we always like to copy other races in everything they do to the point that we lack innovation. Almost everything in Nigeria is imported eventhough we have the natural resources including religion. Christianity was imported but it is diverse and accepting of other religions eventhough it has its own faults BUT on the other hand muslims want to turn Naija to mideast, want to ENFORCE islam on everyone, eventhough it has advantages.
Men, i don't know what naija extremist muslims think or believe but they should know dat all these arab countries are watching and before u know it they will start instigating violence. If they want proof they can go check out Sudan and Chad and also investigate on who is behind the supporter of APC and what they will find out is that the same people who they emulate is killing them off. My thing is that Naija and west African muslims should have their own leadership that is indepent from those of saudi and co and also should be tolerent of other values. All that naija taliban is just unnecessary cuz when they overstep their boundary chips and infernos will surely ring out.
NIGERIAN MUSLIMS ADVOCATE FOR PEACE NOW. This is in no way a plea like my word counts to the masses but we Nigerians are getting tired of all these no light, no water, and then religious enforcements.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by laudate: 8:58pm On May 09, 2007
There is no need for war. lipsrsealed
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Ikomi(m): 10:28pm On May 09, 2007
@naijaway u fit chop bullet. No talk wetin u no fit do oooh.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by naijaway(m): 10:41pm On May 09, 2007
@ ikomi, i no go chop bullet because i enlist as servers. Get it.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by McKren(m): 10:55pm On May 09, 2007
There will be no war, this is 2007 Nigeria and not 1967. We are not fighting no wars but the truth is that sweeping this issue under the carpet for fear of trouble is simply postponing doomsday which will surely raise its head someday.

We have an attitude of blackmailing any talks about equality in our quest to uphold political correctness. We have tried too hard on that for so long and it has not helped us. Its about time we turn the chapter in our politics telling elite politicians that their game is up. A Nothern politician when they want to divert attention they talk sharia, those from the south east will talk marginalisation and biafra to achieve same, those from the south south talks about resource control to divert attention, while those from south west keep decieving people with Awo's teachings and odua.

The truth is that they have a comon aim which is to divert attention from the real issues which are delivering basic amenities like health facilities, schools, roads, transport etc. Ibrahim Shekarua should show real love to his people by delivering on this rather playing on sentiments to score cheap political points.
What a misguided government helping secondary schools to design school uniforms when there are more important issues.
And people are proud enough to defend him.

The truth is that we are even learning the game of elite politicians, instead of arguing the legality of a state governor compelling students to a particular dress code we are busy calling those who think the fundamental human rights granted by the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria on its citizens should be respected, haters.
If advocating for the rights of non-muslims who live in the North as provided in the constitution amounts to hating then I have no regrets hating. This also means that those who wrote the constitution are all haters, even Gen. Abdusalanmi Abubakar who accepted a hate constitution is himself a hater.

Talking about the constitution and its flaws, yes there are flaws in the constitution but on this one there is nothing wrong with it. Whoever wants to have a referendum on the constitution can start a new thread on that and also wait for the NASS to re-write it but for now the constitution as it is remains the working document and the reference point. It determines what is true and what is false.

@topic
One thing we seem to miss here is the actual position of the constitution on sharia law. There is a saying that "when an anomaly lingers for so long people tend to confuse it with the norm". That is what is playing out in Nigeria.

The constitution did not advocate a way of life for people in particular sections of the country. It only talked about how a Sharia Court will be set up for those who need it. That a State is allowed to adopt Sharia court of appeal in its legal system because it thinks that most of their people are predominantly muslims and as such there will arise civil cases like marriage disagreement or inheritance of fathers properties where parties to the disagreement might choose to settle the issues in a Sharia court does not give any state governor the right to impose any religion or culture on any Nigerian living in the state.

In fact section 277 which dwells on the jurisdictions of the sharia court of appeal in subsection (2)(e) provides thus "
where all the parties to the proceedings, being muslims, have requested the court that hears the case in the first instance to determine that case in accordance with Islamic personal law, any other question
."
Thus that even suggest that Sharia Law is not even totally binding on Muslims themselves as an individual might opt out of the Islamic personal law.  Let alone a none muslim.

Besides that does inclusion of Sharia court of appeal to deal with civil and customary cases now translate into a state Governor deciding how the general public should dress ?

The truth is that I have been praying for the past few days that Shekarua goes ahead to enforce his law then he will see that his game is up. We are about to turn the page in our national debate.

He should stop decieving his people and improve their lives if he truly loves them. Enough of all these ethnic and religious sentiments.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 12:33am On May 10, 2007
He should stop decieving his people and improve their lives if he truly loves them. Enough of all these ethnic and religious sentiments.

He should first start by finding out why northern Nigera is still the most diseased part of the nation despite the fact that they have ruled naija for the most part.

I'm sure many of you have only heard of lepers and never seen one,go to Kano and katsina and he is more concerned about girls wearing scarves.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 12:49am On May 10, 2007
na only lepers you see? VVF patients, polio nko?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Nobody: 1:06am On May 10, 2007
not to talk of river bindness and meningitis (viral and bacterial)
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 8:48am On May 10, 2007
Ikomi:

@Afam.

Reading through the thread clearly, I can honestly see u have a point.

I think some issues needs clearification in the constitution. Not only in the constitution but also to the Nigerian public, so we could all live in peace.

your point needs good analysis to actually get a good drift of it.

Now Afam please put me right if am wrong. In some states in the US u could practise prostitution as a legal bizness, and in some states it is illegal. So invariable are u saying that if Kano as a state has adopted Sharia as its legal body, and part of its rule is that all school children must wear a veil, then it is left for the child to choose if she would rather live in Kano to get good education and wear a veil or move to another state where she would not wear a veil and still get good education.

But what that constitution u posted reads is Sharia Court of Appeal how does that bind on all the citizens.

Please correct my understanding if at anypoint it is wrong.

Thanks for the info.

Hi Ikomi,

Thanks. I have learnt to ignore people that find it difficult to look at issues objectively and when faced with frustration in trying to make a point resort to attacking personalities instead of the issues on board.

To your question, as hard and as unfortunate as it seems the answer is that the student will either abide by the sharia code or go to school elsewhere and that is because the constitution has not been able to sort out all conflicting issues not because it is right or it is ideal.

davidylan:

That is why many are asking questions about the practicability of having sharia law in a country that is assumed to be multi-religious. That sharia law will only apply to non-muslims or that it is only restricted to a certain part of the country is not a good enough excuse for our representatives to sweep it under the carpet.
Like you pointed out, what court do i go to if i have a quarrel with my muslim neighbour in Kano? Should i follow him to his sharia court and risk losing my head or do we both go to the conventional courts?

Should we because we don't want to offend advocates of sharia now decide to implement a dress code for all women, christian or muslim? Much as sharia advocates have a right to practice their belief without interference so do we reserve the right to dress as we please in whatever state so long as we are still bound by the same constitution. Should Kano and other sharia states choose to form their own islamic republic of Arewa and stop drawing from southern funds, then we will have no problems whatsoever should they choose to make Sharia a national law.

Until our law makers do what they need to do in the area of remedying conflicting issues in our constitution we will continue to see things like these.

OBJ would have done more towards this regard even though I will still blame the law makers at both houses of assembly for throwing away a golden opportunity to correct some if not many of the mistakes in our constitution.

@Mckren,

Do not confuse issues, no one is calling you a hater for defending the rights of the christian minority in Kano state, that is like seeking cheap sympathy. If you fit the label of a hater then know that you have knowingly or unknowingly been spreading hate ideologies towards the muslims as a whole even when single individuals have taken some actions that can be narrowed down to them.

You amuse me with your anomaly theory, if you sincerely believe in what you have put down then who do you blame when people in position of authority apply or defend such actions that you consider anomalies and the law makers at the federal level keep quiet?

It seems you are speaking from both sides of the mouth here.

I repeat, freedom of expression does not give any Nigerian the right to do what he/she wants in any part of the country regardless of the laws being put in place in those places.

Even in our villages, there are laws and customs that are very inconsistent with the fundamental human rights you claim the constitution provides.

Go to some Yoruba speaking states and come out to do what you want during the Eyo (I hope that's the correct name) festival and claim that the constitution provides a cover for you.

In reality, we tend to confuse issues when we do not understand them instead of doing what is right and learning more on any issues we may want to discuss.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by somze(f): 9:06am On May 10, 2007
Nicer:

i wonder why i always meet davidylan and babyosis on only hateful threads? especially when it's against islam or northerners. U must carry so much hate in your hearts. make una take am easy.

You can not be any more wrong. A Governor misusing his authority to decree an unconstitutional and biased law is not hate to Islam ( misrepresenting islam) but when people engage in constitutional-backed (freedom of speech) to discuss and criticize his actions its hate. Sometimes I wonder for your likes and that of Afam

@Afam

If what Afam thinks or states here really gives you people worries then it may be that the truth is bitter but funny enough[b] whenever I come across comments that don't make sense I ignore them or trash them[/b] and I hope you guys learn to do the same.

No one should or can be held responsible for frustrations some of you feel when you are faced with comments you cannot readily agree with.

Funny enough that is what i have been trying to do with you; but since you have so quickly fallen for the deceptive and accusative rhetorics which you so wrongfully accuse others of, I had to click the reply button.

You guys must be slowly dying from hatred you have for anything Islam or the North and it is showing but stinking to high heavens.

It is even the more worrisome when you notice that there are people here that never ever make any reasonable comment on issues and the only time you read their hate filled posts is when the issue has anything to do with religion or islam.

We DO NOT HATE islam or the north. It just so happens that evil people easily decieve some (purposedly did not use "majority of"wink northerners using Islam ( or wrongfully interpreted islam from what i hear) as a forefront. WE can not keep silent about this. WE CRITICIZE and CONDEMN the actions of these people. WE HAVE IN NO POST SAID WE HATE OR CONDEMN ISLAM. You support the actions of these evil people and we do not accuse you of HATING CHRISTIANITY AND CHRISTIANS but you can not even spare a second to think wisely before you start throwing this spurios accusations.


Trying to turn threads that are raising issues into a referendum on individuals is usually the way out for people that are incapable of making their points without resorting to attacking individuals.

I should applaud you for this. You should get an award for accusing others for the very thing which you indulge. The last time it was "avoiding issues", now we are "attacking individuals". Pityful!
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 9:18am On May 10, 2007
Education they say does not equal knowledge and one does not need to look further to agree completely with the saying.

You need not take out your frustrations on people, tackle your problems and fears.

Your denials are well noted but very very unconvincing.

If you have any reasonable thing to state on the issue feel free but if the only thing that comes from your warped sense of reasoning is attacking personalities why don't you ignore the post and learn what you have demonstrated you do not understand?
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by McKren(m): 9:52am On May 10, 2007
@Afam
@Mckren,

Do not confuse issues, no one is calling you a hater for defending the rights of the christian minority in Kano state, that is like seeking cheap sympathy. If you fit the label of a hater then know that you have knowingly or unknowingly been spreading hate ideologies towards the muslims as a whole even when single individuals have taken some actions that can be narrowed down to them.

You amuse me with your anomaly theory, if you sincerely believe in what you have put down then who do you blame when people in position of authority apply or defend such actions that you consider anomalies and the law makers at the federal level keep quiet?

It seems you are speaking from both sides of the mouth here.

I repeat, freedom of expression does not give any Nigerian the right to do what he/she wants in any part of the country regardless of the laws being put in place in those places.

Even in our villages, there are laws and customs that are very inconsistent with the fundamental human rights you claim the constitution provides.

Go to some Yoruba speaking states and come out to do what you want during the Eyo (I hope that's the correct name) festival and claim that the constitution provides a cover for you.

In reality, we tend to confuse issues when we do not understand them instead of doing what is right and learning more on any issues we may want to discuss.

Frankly the contents of this post is not worthy of reply from myself. I dont do war of words because I think often times they simply deviate attention from the real issues. I am only taking pains to reply this post because I have seen very reasonable posts by yourself Afam in the past and think you can do better.

Once upon a time in telling me of your resolve to limit you argument to issues you understand or have much information on you quoted section 275 of the constitution and accused me of quoting only general section of the constitution and avoiding particular sections that dealt with Sharia. I went further to those particular sections of Sharia to unearth aspects that dwells on jurisdiction of Sharia law. Now that you are convinced the constitution does not support your argument you have prefered to rubbish the constitution in its totality.

It is even funny that you go as far as upholding some outdated norms in our towns and villages which were informed by the medieval do's and dont's. Some of those practise which no one in this age wants to believe in.
Do you think people are practising democracy for the sake of it?

How can any society work without a central and common law binding them all. In our case the constitution of our country. I cant believe you are advocating that some traditional norms in the viallages should take precedence over the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

My brother I am so disappointed and will like to let you know that being Educated and Wise also includes accepting our mistakes and owning up when we make one.
Re: Al-taqqiya And The Gradual Islamisation Of Nigeria! by Afam(m): 10:02am On May 10, 2007
You may safely add Maradona to your name.

Goodluck.

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