Before I took Christian's serious, but halted when I realised they are subjective in nature and not objective.. we can sense true wisdom from the judgement people make. A wise person make sound judgement,but a fool contradicts himself and is bias in his thinking.
Many Christian's will crucify gays if they see them but not people who commit abortion...
According to their religion,both are abominable....so why do Christian's say "it's their bodies,they have the right to do what they want with it or don't judge them,he who is without sin should cast the first stone" whereas gays are not pardoned. Why is the "judge not" mantra applied selectively?
Christians cherrypick alot!

For personal beliefs, I don't support or stand for any of the two acts,but that is just my SUBJECTIVE view on the issue of homosexuality and abortion.i will not force my opinion down on anyone throat or condemn any who indulge in it .

But for Christians,who claim they make their judgement based on the guiding of the holy spirit and yet condone abortion but frown at homosexuality then they are nothing but circus clowns...
If you want abortion to be legalised but LGBT to be labelled an abberation as a Christian, then you are a joke

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Michellekabod2:

Christians cherrypick alot!

Do you expect people not to cherrypick?

How can we not?

budaatum:

Do you expect people not to cherrypick?

How can we not?

People should cherrypick,Christian's should not

Michellekabod2:

People should cherrypick,Christian's should not

I should not cherrypick from the Bible but must eat the whole thing in its entirety all the time?

I know Christians cherrypick a lot, it's in their DNA . But I hardly know any Christian that supports abortion. I know some of their females do it, but they hardly publicly support it. Most anti abortion groups are made up of conservative Christians.

Funaki:
I know Christians cherrypick a lot, it's in their DNA . But I hardly know any Christian that supports abortion. I know some of their females do it, but they hardly publicly support it. Most anti abortion groups are made up of conservative Christians.

Yeah!
I don't mean endorsing abortion per say, I mean they don't frown on it with the same gravity they do to homosexuality....

Funaki:
I know Christians cherrypick a lot, it's in their DNA . But I hardly know any Christian that supports abortion. I know some of their females do it, but they hardly publicly support it. Most anti abortion groups are made up of conservative Christians.

They may not come out and say it but put them in a situation where abortion is a very attractive option and see them dive for it like a goalkeeper at a worldcup match. I know people who when I was still a believer, I was shocked they advocated for abortion because their children or family members were involved.

The fact is the more we develop as a species the more we realise there are some things we need to drop from our past. Religion has tried to codify the past into an immutable set of "laws" which will conflict with current knowledge. Christians and other religious people will find themselves having to face a lot of conflict in their minds over issues and will no doubt cherrypick if they want to remain believers of their brand of religion. [s]Even you Michellekabod2 are not immune from this because if I ask you if you support slavery, you'll say no, an act your god supported and never had anything bad to say about in the entire bible.[/s]

LordReed:
The fact is the more we develop as a species the more we realise there are some things we need to drop from our past. Religion has tried to codify the past into an immutable set of "laws" which will conflict with current knowledge. Christians and other religious people will find themselves having to face a lot of conflict in their minds over issues and will no doubt cherrypick if they want to remain believers of their brand of religion. Even you Michellekabod2 are not immune from this because if I ask you if you support slavery, you'll say no, an act your god supported and never had anything bad to say about in the entire bible.

Firstly, I am not a Christian.
I do things wholeheartedly, if it ain't perfect, it ain't worth, can't settle for less. Most Christians serve God in their terms not his, double standard life ain't for me....so why bother if I can't follow God's command fully?if I can't pick all the cherries then I pick none!
Plus the few times of being a Christian I realised aside euphoria, emotional comfort and assurance I gain zilch ....

LordReed:


They may not come out and say it but put them in a situation where abortion is a very attractive option and see them dive for it like a goalkeeper at a worldcup match. I know people who when I was still a believer, I was shocked they advocated for abortion because their children or family members were involved.

As a first-hand witness, I testify that knights and revered church members have come to me when I worked in the pharmacy for abortion drugs for the daughters in other not to lose their reputation in church....but normally they preached against(and still do).

Michellekabod2:

if I can't pick all the cherries then I pick none!

What! You don't just pick the few you need and leave the rest for somebody else?

That's selfish! And greedy! Or you got an industrial cherry picker. Or your cherry farm is just tiny and has a few cherry trees!

Michellekabod2:

Firstly, I am not a Christian.
I do things wholeheartedly, if it ain't perfect, it ain't worth, can't settle for less. Most Christians serve God in their terms not his, double standard life ain't for me....so why bother if I can't follow God's command fully?if I can't pick all the cherries then I pick none!
Plus the few times of being a Christian I realised aside euphoria, emotional comfort and assurance I gain zilch ....

Oh forgive me for working with the assumption that you are a Christian.

budaatum:

What! You don't just pick the few you need and leave the rest for somebody else?

That's selfish! And greedy! Or you got an industrial cherry picker. Or your cherry farm is just tiny and has a few cherry trees!

Buda!how are you doing? I trust great!
Purposely didn't respond to your previous mention because I have gotten insight long ago on your stance and perception towards religion,thus engaging you may have been futile as we have differences.
Firstly, I observed you are subjective in regards to religion, believing each adherent has the right to interpret the holy book the way he seems it fit, and chose some rules to adhere to and to ignore......correct me if I am wrong on this please!
I do believe that there is a STANDARD way of living as a Christian, please don't mistake this as not having free will to do what want wishes to do. I believe you don't serve God on your terms but on his terms,it is not a personal thing. ..in all institutions there are code of conduct,there are orientation, and off course you can't cherrypick....
While making errs in inevitable, you can chose to own up to your fault and repent and move on.... but proudly defending it as a path you have chosen for yourself is....

That's my humble take, looking forward to getting a response from you..

Cheers!

LordReed:


Oh forgive me for working with the assumption that you are a Christian.

No probs! One love!

Back to our discussion, I believe you just don't have to call a dog a hyena because you wanna shoot it.
You shouldn't struggle and paint the blacks of the scriptures snow-white because you still wanna remain a faithful. religion was made for man and not man for religion...

Michellekabod2:

Buda!how are you doing? I trust great!
Purposely didn't respond to your previous mention because I have gotten insight long ago on your stance and perception towards religion,thus engaging you may have been futile as we have differences.

Oh, I know you deliberately ignored me, though I'm not aware what the differences are. I'm doing great thank you. You?

Michellekabod2:

Firstly, I observed you are subjective in regards to religion, believing each adherent has the right to interpret the holy book the way he seems it fit, and chose some rules to adhere to and to ignore......correct me if I am wrong on this please!

Wrong! So let me correct you. buda is a realist. I look at the evidence instead of making things up in my head. Do tell, is it not true that believers "interpret the holy book the way" they can? Is that not the reason one should actually read the holy books oneself so as not to be led astray by another's subjective understanding?

Yes, I do rely very much on my own understanding but with trust in the Lord Almighty. There is no point me relying on the understanding of another when God gave me too a brain.

Michellekabod2:
I do believe that there is a STANDARD way of living as a Christian, please don't mistake this as not having free will to do what want wishes to do. I believe you don't serve God on your terms but on his terms,it is not a personal thing. ..in all institutions there are code of conduct,there are orientation, and off course you can't cherrypick....

Even in the holy books you would notice different people adopt different standards and still claim they worship God. You just need read a Gospel to know that, but there is indeed a standard and it is as follows:

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these.” [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12%3A30-31&version=NIV]Mark 12:30-31[/url]

It sounds simple, but you'd find most do not comprehend the meaning of this simple standard.

As to "terms", some adopt the term of being unworthy to approach God directly. buda, however, would go up the mountain to learn from God in case Moses and his 70, in their old age, come down from the mountain and get it all wrong!

Michellekabod2:
No probs! One love!

Back to our discussion, I believe you just don't have to call a dog a hyena because you wanna shoot it.
You shouldn't struggle and paint the blacks of the scriptures snow-white because you still wanna remain a faithful. religion was made for man and not man for religion...

True, true.

Michellekabod2:
religion was made for man and not man for religion...

Except, religion was made by man!

Michellekabod2:

Firstly, I am not a Christian.
I do things wholeheartedly, if it ain't perfect, it ain't worth, can't settle for less. Most Christians serve God in their terms not his, double standard life ain't for me....so why bother if I can't follow God's command fully?if I can't pick all the cherries then I pick none!
Plus the few times of being a Christian I realised aside euphoria, emotional comfort and assurance I gain zilch ....

That is a good and sound mind you've got there!
A Jew also said something similar when he heard that Jesus is from Nazareth! John 1:46

So you're thinking straight my friend and i'll applaud you for that. The truth is that there is just one GROUP belonging to Jesus out of thousands of religions claiming Christians, so if you haven't been in the midst of true Christians you'll always think Christianity is all about picking rules that suits one's liken. But that's not so with TRUE Christianity, it's either you fully adhere to all the rules or take your leave!

Jesus said his group will stand firm in his words meaning everything he commanded is what they'll work at. Matthew 28:19-20
So he added that all other religionists will HATE his true disciples. Why you may ask?
Because they'll always maintain the truth and that will make all cherrypickers hate them, many will call them cults and some will even say they're robots, all because they're maintaining the standards set by their leader whose mindset totally differs from that of common humans! John 17:14-16
Let me not keep you in suspense, we are Jehovah's Witnesses! But wait, before you start remembering all what people outside there have said about us. Note one thing, we're not doing what suits anybody, we're trying to live up to the standard set by a perfect teacher!

Maximus69:
That is a good and sound mind you've got there!
A Jew also said something similar when he heard that Jesus is from Nazareth! John 1:46

So you're thinking straight my friend and i'll applaud you for that. The truth is that there is just one GROUP belonging to Jesus out of thousands of religions claiming Christians, so if you haven't been in the midst of true Christians you'll always think Christianity is all about picking rules that suits one's liken. But that's not so with TRUE Christianity, it's either you fully adhere to all the rules or take your leave!

Jesus said his group will stand firm in his words meaning everything he commanded is what they'll work at. Matthew 28:19-20
So he added that all other religionists will HATE his true disciples. Why you may ask?
Because they'll always maintain the truth and that will make all cherrypickers hate them, many will call them cults and some will even say they're robots, all because they're maintaining the standards set by their leader whose mindset totally differs from that of common humans! John 17:14-16
Let me not keep you in suspense, we are Jehovah's Witnesses! But wait, before you start remembering all what people outside there have said about us. Note one thing, we're not doing what suits anybody, we're trying to live up to the standard set by a perfect teacher!

I always held the view that the best and most genuine denomination of Christian's are those persecuted by other Christians: white garment churches and Jehovah witness!
You seldom hear the adherents of JWs in scandals...I love their system, no pastors et Al to cheat and exploit members, no tithes,no threats with hell,no offerings...infact they are the ones who follow the scriptures without adding or subtracting

Michellekabod2:

I always held the view that the best and most genuine denomination of Christian's are those persecuted by other Christians: white garment churches and Jehovah witness!
You seldom hear the adherents of JWs in scandals...I love their system, no pastors et Al to cheat and exploit members, no tithes,no threats with hell,no offerings...infact they are the ones who follow the scriptures without adding or subtracting

Satan made sure that there are thousands of religions claiming Christians but he is so crafty that if you're not careful you won't know that they're all the same!

There is just one strategy that Satan and his agents can't master!
Preaching and Teaching without cost!

They're all after what they're going to get now but faith is about what is promised and not available at present. Hebrew 11:1

So while Jehovah's Witnesses hope in what is going to do in the future, unbelievers can't wait for anything due to their lack of faith! John 11: 24 Luke 23:42 compared to faithless people who just want everything now now! Luke 23:39