delishpot:


God did not create woman to be under the dominion of man. He created woman cos

* He saw that Adam was lonely and needed a hand around the garden - Gen 2:18 It is not good for man to be alone, I will make him a help mate) note not severnt, maid or worker but help mate to support his life and to have dominion over all things with him. An assistant.
* It was God's intention for a man to leave his mother and father and be 1 with his woman - Gen 2:24 (o support his life as he moves around. An assistant.
* He wanted continuity of the human race - Gen 1 :26-31(Be fruitful and multiply)

No where in the creation story did Adam or God suggest that Eve had a lower status. The only things that dominion were given to Adam were other creation besides Eve.

Now, as to where Eve fell and was placed below Adam was after they ate of the tree of good and evil aka tree of knowledge Gen 3:16 That is the verse where God now said her "husband" note the word husband not every man, not all men, but specifically husband will rule over her.
As I see it. I think those curses are just added to the text to justify the stress of life and family hierachy cos of Adams curse is general and applies to both genders ie Men and women struggle for daily bread, men and women return to dust.

So God did not in the beginning have it the way it is in mind.

CAPSLOCKED:
AN ALL-KNOWING GOD DIDN'T KNOW THAT ADAM NEEDED A COMPANION, UNTIL ADAM HANDED IN THE REQUEST.

SHAMEFUL THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE HOW INACCURATE THE GOD THING IS.

delishpot:


God did not create woman to be under the dominion of man. He created woman cos

* He saw that Adam was lonely and needed a hand around the garden - Gen 2:18 It is not good for man to be alone, I will make him a help mate) note not severnt, maid or worker but help mate to support his life and to have dominion over all things with him. An assistant.
* It was God's intention for a man to leave his mother and father and be 1 with his woman - Gen 2:24 (o support his life as he moves around. An assistant.
* He wanted continuity of the human race - Gen 1 :26-31(Be fruitful and multiply)

No where in the creation story did Adam or God suggest that Eve had a lower status. The only things that dominion were given to Adam were other creation besides Eve.

Now, as to where Eve fell and was placed below Adam was after they ate of the tree of good and evil aka tree of knowledge Gen 3:16 That is the verse where God now said her "husband" note the word husband not every man, not all men, but specifically husband will rule over her.
As I see it. I think those curses are just added to the text to justify the stress of life and family hierachy cos of Adams curse is general and applies to both genders ie Men and women struggle for daily bread, men and women return to dust.

So God did not in the beginning have it the way it is in mind.

Funaki:


1 Corinthians 11:7-9 KJV
For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. [8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. [9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The woman was created for the man. She's a byproduct according to the bible.

delishpot:


What you quoted up there was inspired by man (apostles interpretation as he taught what and how he understood it) ... Creations story was inspired by God as the story is given to man directly from God.

Funaki:

I thought all scriptures are inspired by God . Besides is it not a man that wrote Genesis?

delishpot:



No where did I say God personally wrote ony book
If I tell you that God inspired me directly to write something or I tell you how I feel something should work based on what I read in the history or story handed down by God (My interpretation of the original copy).............which one will you class as Direct message from God and which one will you class as man's own understanding as it was written by the person inspired directly by God?

LordReed:


Why does the god not write it's own books? Still resting from all that creating? Its been a few thousand years now.

delishpot:


You will have to ask him o. Me I no dey him mind.

delishpot:



No where did I say God personally wrote ony book
If I tell you that God inspired me directly to write something or I tell you how I feel something should work based on what I read in the history or story handed down by God (My interpretation of the original copy).............which one will you class as Direct message from God and which one will you class as man's own understanding as it was written by the person inspired directly by God?

delishpot:


What you quoted up there was inspired by man (apostles interpretation as he taught what and how he understood it) ... Creations story was inspired by God as the story is given to man directly from God.

wolesmile:
Are you saying that verse was not inspired of the spirit but as the writer understood it? Damn!!!

jesusjnr:
How did you know it was an after thought?

Go back to Genesis 1 and you'll find out that it did not appear as an after thought until the second chapter where more details was given about the creative process.

So the same may also apply to the other animals, if the details of their creative process were also revealed.

Moreover even if female humans was an afterthought, man was also an afterthought, so it actually corresponds for man was the last creature that God made in the process of His creation In the beginning.

And being the only creature of God that was an afterthought In the beginning, it distinguishes man from the other creatures, as the most pivotal and central creature to all that God made in the beginning.

So no afterthought worries there except for the ignorants.

Funaki:


Paul claimed his revelation his directly from the Lord. He was not taught by anyone nor was it handed down to him.

Galatians 1:12 I received my message from no human source, and no one taught me. Instead, I received it by direct revelation from Jesus Christ.

Moses by the way, didn't have the original copy. Moses wrote something that happened thousands of years before he was born and you claimed it's direct from God . What he had was types and shadows. The new testament all talked about how the old testament was an allegory. The apostles explained how their revelations supersede the old testament. Paul, Peter, John, Jude etc. So, it doesn't really make sense to think Genesis had more insight than Corinthians. Or do you really think Man fell because he ate "forbidden fruit" or that snakes could talk?

LordReed:


But you guys seem to know the mind of the god whenever it suits your purposes don't you?

delishpot:


I don't know which guys you talking about. No one knows the mind of God. I may be inspired by the spirit of God to percieve a certain thing a certain way but far be it from me that I claim to know God's mind.

LordReed:


So when the spirit is inspiring you it is not inspiring you from the things the god knows?

delishpot:


It is in my opinion but still doesn't mean I know God's mind in general. That I ask you to do certain thing doesn't men you have automatically come to know my mind.

LordReed:


Knowing someone's mind is a figure of speech and does not mean you can actually read a person's thoughts. Rather it means you have an idea of the direction of the person's actions or words or motivations. If the spirit is inspiring you with things that are not coming from your own knowledge then it is doing so from its own mind thus you do know what the mind of the spirit is because you can interpret those inspirations into action or words.

delishpot:


You can only hear/feel God speak as it concerns certain things when you get an inspiration in that circumstance not know God's mind. No figure of speach in this case in my opinion.
I can tell you to run in a certain circumstance and at another I can say stand and fight. If it happens that someone sees where I said stand and fight and uses that as a sign that he knows I will want him to fight in every situation as such that presents itself. Isn't that a wrong assumption? Does he really know my mind? That is why everyone is encouraged to know God personally. Cos one time you may be advised to stand, at another time you may be led to flee. It's a personal walk not a one size fits all thing. Build your own relationship. The foundation is the 10 commandments. Start from there and build up. The bible is a guide.

LordReed:


Where did I say you always know someone's mind just out of one interaction?

delishpot:


Na wa o. Okay not always, occasionally. Is that better? Does it calm your nerves down now? What is the point you are even trying to prove exactly? Cos now I am scratching my head

Thank you.

LordReed:


You were trying to say you don't know the mind of the god and were trying to use the argument that you don't always hear the god. I never said you always hear the god so it has no bearing on what we are saying which is, in the times were you claim to be inspired by the spirit, you know the mind of the god.

delishpot:

Na wa o. Okay not always, occasionally. Is that better? Does it calm your nerves down now? What is the point you are even trying to prove exactly? Cos now I am scratching my head
Thank you.

delishpot:



So if your father tells a story as it happend to him and then 50 yrs later a grand or great grand son of his writes the story in a book then on the other hand if his grand or great grand son reads a copy of your dads story and writes a book that borders around the first book that was writting according to what your dad said happened live to him..... Does that story become your father's words or does it become an interpretation of your father's words according to how the writer understood the original text he read? I make my comment not being sentimental or passionate about if the bible is fact or not but based on its flow. If you read it in a bid to hate on it or disprove it you lose, if you read it in a bid to accept all it says without questions you lose. Same goes to all religious books.

As for the first point you raised.... Which message was Paul talking about? Message of salvation? Message of salvation and the saving power of God through Christ is what Paul spoke about not his translation of how things work. Just like today Christian religion you find one pastor say earings are evil according to a certain chapter of the Bible, others will say women must cover their hair, some will forbid eating certain foods according to how they interpret a chapter in the bible etc. Does it mean that tomorrow if their books are coupled together and added to the bible (if the church elders had not out of fear that the other books they threw out of the bible may be added later which in turn made them place a curse in the end to discourage such) You will insist that their rules and regulations are not their own interpretation of the first book that governs their religion? Religion is tricky. I personally want to get firsthand communication with God and not dwell on what others claim. The most important parts of the Bible to me is the part that tells of God, Jesus by those who actually were with and personally witnessed it. I don't fancy stories told as passed by word of mouth.