All muslims and even non muslims are aware of the five pillars of Islam but Muslims maintain silence about the sixth pillar which they must perform as Muslims.

AT-TAWBA 29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

AT-TAWBA 5
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

and yet the same qur'an claims it is not a religion of compulsion

AL-BAQARA 256
There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

And because of the reward of 72 virgins with self regenerating hymen, many are killed at the shout of Allah akbar. Or is it a misinterpretation by muslims?

@noisycheeks


Please try to read and understand before posting anything. Posting the above showed that you are a complete mishciefmaker.



All muslims and even non muslims are aware of the five pillars of Islam but Muslims maintain silence about the sixth pillar which they must perform as Muslims.

You are here again presenting another lies from your authors.


AT-TAWBA 29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.



Do you see the one highlighted. Read, ponder on the meaning and figure out who the above referred to and why was it said. Do you pay tax to muslims where you are now. You go about lifting from your authors that have nothing to offer you but deception. I dont need to waste my time with you here, a word is enough for the wise.



AT-TAWBA 5
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

You lacked understading, lifting from sites without understanding.




and yet the same qur'an claims it is not a religion of compulsion

Same as above, ignorance is a disease.



AL-BAQARA 256
There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.


Same as above.



And because of the reward of 72 virgins with self regenerating hymen, many are killed at the shout of Allah akbar. Or is it a misinterpretation by muslims?


It is glaring that you are having problem.


Keep wallowing in your ignorance.

@ blabs,
are those verses not direct from the quran? Now that you have been caught with ur numerous lies u now seek to deflect them by accusing UR OWN muslims as liars?

Thou art but a well renowned hypocrite!

@ babs787,
You are really a specie of a kind!

False truth has come, Truth hood is bound to perish! Yeye person

Unfortunately you are really meeting your waterloo.

Shameless figure.

AL-BAQARA 193
And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

AT-TAWBA 29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
@babs

to further display my ignorance, these are lifted directly from your qur'an


Jihad has some appealing substances to the muslim vis-a-vis; The romantic ideal and the materialistic purpose

Muslims emphatically insist that the Jihad, or Holy War, was only a means of defence and was never used as an offensive act but available facts from the qur'an shows that it is often used in the offensive rather than defensive.


The materialistic purpose.

Let us investigate how this claim is supported by the actual facts of history.


"Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence." "Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).
One could also call it robbery in self-defence, if there is such a thing.

"The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:
'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).
This is reasonable - though one would, perhaps, object to war as a means of income. This income, no doubt, is at the expense of someone's livelihood. But let us look at Muslim warfare in practice:

"When an infidel's country is conquered (in self-defence?) by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:

The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered became enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state;
The payment of a poll-tax (Jazyah) by which unbelievers in Islam obtained "protection" and become Zimmis, provided they were not idolaters (of Arabia);
Death by the sword to those who would not pay the poll-tax. ("Dictionary of Islam", page 243).

", Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush, "(Sura 9:5).

"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them, "(Sura 47:4).
", Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, until they pay tribute, " (Sura 9:29).

"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39).

"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).

All of the above texts are contradicted by:


"There is no compulsion in religion".
From the Hadayah (II, page 140) we learn with regard to the Jihad, that:


"To whichever village you go and settle therein, there is your share therein, and whichever village disobeys Allah and His Messenger, its one-fifth is for Allah and His Messenger and the remainder is for you." ("Mishkat" II, page 412).
"In the actual war-field in the midst of hostilities, some concessions were sometimes given to soldiers for recreation. Captive virgin girls in war were once made lawful for the soldiers for copulation. "(ibid. page 440 and "Sahih Muslim" II, pages 705-707).

What is right today cannot be wrong tomorrow, otherwise we have an example of situational ethics.

To an objective observer the following picture emerges: interest in material gain was as important as the making of converts One cannot help feeling that the Holy War was a pretence to make booty and receive continuing taxes. This must have persuaded many a man to join the Holy War and thus to become a mercenary. This interest no doubt gave enormous political and military momentum to the cause of Mohammed. Each warrior had a right to the belongings of the man he had slain, and could sell for ransom any prisoner he had made. Women and children were also reckoned as booty and a Muslim saw no moral irregularity in taking married woman prisoners as concubines as long as they were not pregnant. He would also have his share of the combined booty, of which; however, one-fifth belonged to Mohammed (and in the case of no fight taking place, it belonged to him totally). We are aware, however, that Mohammed never lived an extravagant life or hoarded goods. On the contrary, he was most generous in every aspect, particularly to the poor, to orphans and to widows.

Taxes could be very harsh indeed as in the case of the defeated Jews who lived in Khaiber. They

"were allowed to stay in Khaiber on condition that they would pay half the produce of their lands to the Holy Prophet and in addition Jazyah tax". ("Mishkat" II, page 455, footnote).
"After the Battle of Badr, the verse dealing with the booties was first revealed. The verse introduced the rule for the first time that the spoils of war would be the property of the soldiers who actually take part in the battle, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS why the soldiers of Islam fought tooth and nail. They would get Paradise in case of death in a Holy War, and booties in the case of CONQUEST. Jihad is therefore the best source of all acquisitions." ("Mishkat" II, page 406, explanatory note).

Jihad "is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and (sic) CONQUEST of a country, which cannot be equal to any other source of earnings."

In the battle of Muraisi with Banu Mustalig, the booties gained were nearly 200 camels and 5 000 goats. In the campaign of Hunain, the booties that fell to the hands of the Muslims were 24 000 sheep, 4 000 silver coins and innumerable camels. In the Battle of Badr and Uhud, the booties were also great.

There is little wonder that a poem ascribed to Ali ibn Abi Talib, reads thus:

"Our flowers are the sword and the dagger:
Narcissus and myrtle are nought.
Our drink is the blood of our foeman;
Our goblet his skull, when we've fought."


The following are a few of the Medinan passages which refer to jihad as military struggle in the Qur’an:

Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged, (22:39; cf. 22:39-41)[6]

The (true) believers are those only who believe in Allah and His messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah. Such are the sincere. (49:15; 22:78; 25:52)

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

But in many cases, they act as offensives

And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers.

The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah, (2:190-195; cf. 2:216-218; 2:244; 8:38-40; 8:65,66; 4:84; 5:33-35; 61:4)

Of course, that is what Osama bin Laden is currently doing.

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

And yet, there is no compulsion in Islam

And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (9:29,30)

O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. (9:73)

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)

As for Jihad’s motivation and benefits:

O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?

You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

He will forgive you your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is the supreme triumph.

And (He will give you) another blessing which ye love: help from Allah and present victory. Give good tidings (O Muhammad) to believers. (61:10-13; cf. 9:19-22; 9:111; 2:154; 2:243-245; 47:4-6; 3:195)

, Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home). (4:95)

@babs

are these not from the qur'an?

I rest my case.
C-o-u-r-t----

@nossycheek,

I have carefully followed the discussions you and stimulus (as well several others) have tried to hold with babs787. Your inputs are quite appreciated, whether or not he decides to be reasonable from henceforth. The fact remains that such Muslim apologists are predictably dribblers; and I'm just waiting to serve him his own nightmares when he comes up once more to post his nightschool scholarship.

If people like him will no longer reason because everything to them must be typically interpreted the Islamic way, then it is high time they know that such gimcrack rascality no longer holds any substance, especially with people like me. I may as well turn out to be his worst nightmare! 
------------------------

Relax, babs787; this is no threat at all. My concern here is simple: discuss if you have to; but your games and deliberate calumny of Christianity will no longer be tolerated! Try pushing your luck, and no task force from any Sharia State will be able to rescue your remains!

@Noisycheeks



AL-BAQARA 193
And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

The above was revealed during the wars fought by the prophet.


AT-TAWBA 29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Same as above. Ponder over the highlighted words.




Muslims emphatically insist that the Jihad, or Holy War, was only a means of defence and was never used as an offensive act but available facts from the qur'an shows that it is often used in the offensive rather than defensive.

Okay lets see as we read on


The materialistic purpose.

Let us investigate how this claim is supported by the actual facts of history.


"Jihad is one of the chief meritorious acts in the eye of Islam -- and it is the best source of earnings, but it shall be undertaken with the intention of self-defence." "Mishkat" II, page 340 - explanatory note).
One could also call it robbery in self-defence, if there is such a thing. [/color]

Can you please explain the above?


"The Holy Quran strictly prohibited conversion by force, saying:
'There is no compulsion in religion' (Sura 2:256)" (ibid).
This is reasonable - though one would, perhaps, object to war as a means of income. This income, no doubt, is at the expense of someone's livelihood. But let us look at Muslim warfare in practice:

Lets read on:


"When an infidel's country is conquered (in self-defence?) by a Muslim ruler, its inhabitants are offered three alternatives:

The reception of Islam, in which case the conquered became enfranchised citizens of the Muslim state;
The payment of a poll-tax (Jazyah) by which unbelievers in Islam obtained "protection" and become Zimmis, provided they were not idolaters (of Arabia);

Were they forced to become muslims?



", Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush, "(Sura 9:5). The above was revealed during the wars fought by the Prophet.



"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them, "(Sura 47:4).

Sister, what does the word, ‘encounter’ mean to you?



", Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, until they pay tribute, " (Sura 9:29).


Since you claimed that wars are for income, can you please explain tell me why did the OT  prophets fought?


"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39).


Sister, can you please tell me the cause of the war?


"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).

Same as above


All of the above texts are contradicted by:

"There is no compulsion in religion".
From the Hadayah (II, page 140) we learn with regard to the Jihad, that:


Really? It showed your level of ignorance. Am asking you again and maybe your brother Gwaine can assist, what started the war please?



"To whichever village you go and settle therein, there is your share therein, and whichever village disobeys Allah and His Messenger, its one-fifth is for Allah and His Messenger and the remainder is for you." ("Mishkat" II, page 412).
"In the actual war-field in the midst of hostilities, some concessions were sometimes given to soldiers for recreation. Captive virgin girls in war were once made lawful for the soldiers for copulation. "(ibid. page 440 and "Sahih Muslim" II, pages 705-707).


Since you are here for mischief, please explain the below verses, one on booty and the second is one killing :

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)



What is right today cannot be wrong tomorrow, otherwise we have an example of situational ethics.

To an objective observer the following picture emerges: interest in material gain was as important as the making of converts One cannot help feeling that the Holy War was a pretence to make booty and receive continuing taxes. This must have persuaded many a man to join the Holy War and thus to become a mercenary. This interest no doubt gave enormous political and military momentum to the cause of Muhammad. Each warrior had a right to the belongings of the man he had slain, and could sell for ransom any prisoner he had made. Women and children were also reckoned as booty and a Muslim saw no moral irregularity in taking married woman prisoners as concubines as long as they were not pregnant. He would also have his share of the combined booty, of which; however, one-fifth belonged to Muhammad (and in the case of no fight taking place, it belonged to him totally). We are aware, however, that Muhammad never lived an extravagant life or hoarded goods. On the contrary, he was most generous in every aspect, particularly to the poor, to orphans and to widows.

Taxes could be very harsh indeed as in the case of the defeated Jews who lived in Khaiber. They

"were allowed to stay in Khaiber on condition that they would pay half the produce of their lands to the Holy Prophet and in addition Jazyah tax". ("Mishkat" II, page 455, footnote).

Since you are inclined to your falsehood, can you please explain the verses in the bible

2 Chronicles 15:13:All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.  


"After the Battle of Badr, the verse dealing with the booties was first revealed. The verse introduced the rule for the first time that the spoils of war would be the property of the soldiers who actually take part in the battle, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS why the soldiers of Islam fought tooth and nail. They would get Paradise in case of death in a Holy War, and booties in the case of CONQUEST. Jihad is therefore the best source of all acquisitions." ("Mishkat" II, page 406, explanatory note).

Jihad "is the best method of earning both spiritual and temporal. If victory is won, there is enormous booty and (sic) CONQUEST of a country, which cannot be equal to any other source of earnings."


Please explain the verses below

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)


Please Gwain and Noisycheeks, how are they going to know virgins?



In the battle of Muraisi with Banu Mustalig, the booties gained were nearly 200 camels and 5 000 goats. In the campaign of Hunain, the booties that fell to the hands of the Muslims were 24 000 sheep, 4 000 silver coins and innumerable camels. In the Battle of Badr and Uhud, the booties were also great.


There is little wonder that a poem ascribed to Ali ibn Abi Talib, reads thus:

"Our flowers are the sword and the dagger:
Narcissus and myrtle are nought.
Our drink is the blood of our foeman;
Our goblet his skull, when we've fought."


You failed in reading your bible first before accusing the Quran. Please explain the below verses to me:

Numbers 31:7,17-18: ""They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man, Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.  

How will they know virgins and why did they kill boys and women?


Deuteronomy 20:16: However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Including animals, innocent children etc. This Christian God is really merciful?


The following are a few of the Medinan passages which refer to jihad as military struggle in the Qur’an:

Sanction is given unto those who fight because they have been wronged,  (22:39; cf. 22:39-41)[6]

The (true) believers are those only who believe in Allah and His messenger and afterward doubt not, but strive with their wealth and their lives for the cause of Allah. Such are the sincere. (49:15; 22:78; 25:52)

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.


Please why did the OT prophets fight?



But in many cases, they act as offensives

And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers.

The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil).

Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah,  (2:190-195; cf. 2:216-218; 2:244; 8:38-40; 8:65,66; 4:84; 5:33-35; 61:4)


When you are through, please provide explanation to the below verses:

Deuteronomy 2 v 32-37 : And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us.

Please why did they kill including the little innocent ones?


Deuteronomy 3 v 1-7: 1 Then we turned, and went up the way to Bashan: and Og the king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the LORD said unto me, Fear him not: for I will deliver him, and all his people, and his land, into thy hand; and thou shalt do unto him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. 3 So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining. 4 And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan. 5 All these cities were fenced with high walls, gates, and bars; beside unwalled towns a great many. 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves


Why did they kill women and children and why were the cattle and the spoil of the cities taken as prey? Over to you Gwain and Noisycheeks



Deuteronomy 7 v 1-6: When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth

Can you please tell me why the above happened?


Numbers 25 v 17: Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them,
18 because they treated you as enemies when they deceived you in the affair of Peor and their sister Cozbi, the daughter of a Midianite leader, the woman who was killed when the plague came as a result of Peor."


But why did they treat Midianites as enemies and even killed them? I think your God is love and peaceful?




Numbers 31 v 7-12: 7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

please why the killings? did you see spoil of war being taken there? disgusting story, God is really peaceful.



Of course, that is what Osama bin Laden is currently doing.

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

And yet, there is no compulsion in Islam

And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they! (9:29,30)

O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey’s end. (9:73)

O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)

As for Jihad’s motivation and benefits:

O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom?

You should believe in Allah and His messenger, and should strive for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know.

He will forgive you your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is the supreme triumph.

And (He will give you) another blessing which ye love: help from Allah and present victory. Give good tidings (O Muhammad) to believers. (61:10-13; cf. 9:19-22; 9:111; 2:154; 2:243-245; 47:4-6; 3:195)

,  Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than those who sit (at home). (4:95)

@babs

are these not from the qur'an?

I rest my case.
C-o-u-r-t----


When you are through, please explain the below verses:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

Why did they kill woman, infant, sucking, oxen, sheep, camel and ass/ please for what purpose and did those animals and the innocent children offend God?


Ezekiel 21 v 3 ¨and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.[/b]4 Because I am [b]going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north. 5 Then all people will know that I the LORD have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.'

Why did God kill the righteous along with the wicked?


Deuteronomy 20:13-14
'13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:  
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.  

Did you see that? Please you need to call the attention of your brother that has been making noise all these while. Read below again,

But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

So God gave them the spoil of their enemies to eat, oh no God is really peaceful and loving. His case is even worst than Osama.

Please provide explanation to the above verses and your brother Gwain may assist too.


Numbers 31:17-18 "Now kill all the boys . And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."


Please what did the boys, women do and why the remainder of virgins?





@Gwaine

Relax, babs787; this is no threat at all. My concern here is simple: discuss if you have to; but your games and deliberate calumny of Christianity will no longer be tolerated! Try pushing your luck, and no task force from any Sharia State will be able to rescue your remains!

It is your problem not mine, you may bark till tomorrow, babs doesn’t care. Anyway you want it, babs is equally ready and stop this your cry as if being stung by a bee.

You can please assist your sister up.

@blabs

what a vain attempt, explaining nothing.

Jihad is an act which every muslim is expected to perform little wonder non muslims are forced to recite the koran and deny their religion at the face of death.

INDEED, THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN ISLAM

It is your problem not mine, you may bark till tomorrow, babs doesn’t care. Anyway you want it, babs is equally ready and stop this your cry as if being stung by a bee.

Since your intelligence is so weak, you'd predictably have to borrow quips from us.  
After you're done wailing, seek out your adulators to pat your skull in consolation; and then you'll dry your eyes to read from me.

Don't get so frightened - I don't bite. I simply chew ignoramuses and spit them out!  

@Gwaine


Since your intelligence is so weak, you'd predictably have to borrow quips from us.
After you're done wailing, seek out your adulators to pat your skull in consolation; and then you'll dry your eyes to read from me.

Don't get so frightened - I don't bite. I simply chew ignoramuses and spit them out!

Do I need to answer you again? Honestly, I am tired of your threats, do whatever you have to and stop crying, frustrated guy .

what Muslims are not quick to tell you is that they are groomed from childhood to be slaves and warriors of allah.
They are told that Christians and Jews are their enemies
They are taught that Islam will dominate the world
Mohammed categorically asked them to fight us until we pay them heavy taxes for them to allow us live within the rules they prescribe on how we must practice our faith or we convert to Islam or we are killed.
Those are the 3 options.
The subsect called "the twelvers" from the shiitte sect actually believe in the return of one "Imam Mahdi" for armageddon
who will return with an Islamic Jesus to show Christians pepper.

Islam is not about tolerance or letting others be,no one should be deceived.
They are about domination and intolerance.

Why have they banned Christian TV in the sharia states?
Or stopped crusades?
Or kill those who leave Islam?
It is about domination and terror.
why do they block and censor the internet in Muslim nations?
They are afraid that they cannot compete with the message of peace,if not I dare them to play by human rules of simple democracy.

They are not doing anything new,Mohammed and his gang spread their news by the sword.
Usman dan fodio later came to Nigeria with his gang of neck slashers.
Let us not be fooled.

babs787:

Do I need to answer you again? Honestly, I am tired of your threats, do whatever you have to and stop crying, frustrated guy .

Half-men like you can't even stand! For you to have been so badly shaken amazes me!! So, if you hear cha-cha for your backyard, you go pick race??

@Gwaine


When you are ready for a debate, you call on me, empty barrel and frustrated boy

@babyosisi,

babyosisi:


Why have they banned Christian TV in the sharia states?

Or stopped crusades?

Or kill those who leave Islam?

why do they block and censor the internet in Muslim nations?

These again are very pointed questions that our Muslim friends should help answer. No dramas or frantic acrobatic evading, parrying, or ducking them. Just straightforward answers will do. Thanks.

babyosisi:

Why have they banned Christian TV in the sharia states?
Or stopped crusades?
Or kill those who leave Islam?
It is about domination and terror.
why do they block and censor the internet in Muslim nations?
They are afraid that they cannot compete with the message of peace,if not I dare them to play by human rules of simple democracy.

There is no compulsion in religion.

davidylan:

There is no compulsion in religion.

Perhaps we "ignorant fools" no longer understand the meaning of "compulsion"!!

Do not be afraid!Its only a tiny minority that believes in violent jihad-[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/tiny_minority_big_problem.html
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[b]I'm reminded of a similar poll conducted in Indonesia last fall. One in 10 Indonesian Muslims was found to support bombings in defense of Islam. They took the news a little more seriously in "moderate" Indonesia. One in 10 in Indonesia, you see, equals 19 million Muslims for violent jihad. That's just Indonesia.

Recent polling in Britain found that 13 percent of British Muslims believe the London subway bombers are righteous "martyrs," and 7 percent approve of suicide bombing attacks on civilians in Britain in some circumstances.

Now, add that to the 16 percent of French Muslims, 16 percent of Spanish Muslims, 7 percent of German Muslims, 28 percent of Egyptian Muslims, 14 percent of Pakistani Muslims, and 46 percent of Nigerian Muslims who told Pew last summer that "violence against civilian targets in order to defend Islam" can be justified "often/sometimes."

A few fringe jihadists here, a few fringe jihadists there, and soon you're talking about bloody real numbers.

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told them!

babyosisi:

told them!

Did you see notice the huge number for Nigeria- 46% ?   Make una no worry,na only a fringe minority.Let the heads roll

you are all guilty of "disrespecting" muslims! You have no right to label muslims as jihadists, terrorists are but a tiny minority of all "peace-loving" muslims.
And for your information I AM A CHRISTIAN TOO!

davidylan:

And for your information I AM A CHRISTIAN TOO! 

Oh,that classic disclaimer! The Christians Who Refuse to Call a Spade a Spade(cwrcss) . For them,the mark of a true Christian is unflinching denial in the face of extremism

also known as the committee of Concerned christians for allah (CCCA), ever ready to bury their heads in the sand of political correctness, overly eager to turn a blind eye when muslims disrespect christians (afterall God is love!), more than prepared to stretch the islamic doctrine of violence and intolerance to fit rational thinking, comfortable living in denial and more than capable of crying louder than allah and his slaves.

The O yes members.

allah nose best

as usual, the typical slanted interpretations of anything Islamic(by the usual suspects .the elite soldiers of the Nairaland Movement For Defamation of Islam(someone call me erudite! )


the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad `Ali Al-Hanooti, member of the North American Fiqh Council, states:

“Jihad in the Qur'an is a term that signifies striving and endeavoring. The root of that word in Arabic is Jahd, which means spending energy and potential for a certain cause. It covers up practically four areas in the Islamic cause:

1) Teaching people the message of Islam: Any plans or steps of making Da`wah is a kind of Jihad. Allah, Most High, says: "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." (At-Tawbah: 73)

We know that addressing the hypocrites in this verse never means combating, but means Da`wah because a hypocrite is still a Muslim and a Muslim cannot combat another Muslim.

2) Disciplining one's soul: Any disciplinary work for improving one's faith and behavior is Jihad. Refraining from wrongdoing and following stannic ways is Jihad.

3) Spending money in the cause of Islam: Jihad with money is mentioned in many verses of the Glorious Qur’an. Sometimes, it comes before Jihad with the soul. This type of Jihad is strategic in any plan for working in the cause of Islam.

4) Combating the enemy: The Qur'an uses another term for combating. In Arabic, the term is Qital. So Qital in the Qur'an (combating) is the fourth implementation of Jihad.

This conception of Jihad is based on Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyyah’s Zad al-Ma`ad [Provision of the Hereafter].”


words of Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former Head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, in which he states:

"Jihad is one of the most misunderstood and abused aspects of Islam. There are some Muslims who exploit and misuse this concept for their own political objectives. There are many non-Muslims who misunderstand it. There are some other non-Muslims who misinterpret it to discredit Islam and Muslims. That is why the word 'Jihad' has been misused due to misunderstanding its true meaning. The word 'Jihad' is derived from the Arabic word jahd which means fatigue or from the word juhd which means effort. A mujahid is the one who strives in the Cause of Allah and exerts efforts which makes him feel fatigued. Jihad means exerting effort to achieve a desired thing or 'to prevent an undesired one. In other words, it is an effort that aims at bringing about benefit or preventing harm.

Jihad can be observed through any means and in any field whether material or moral. Among the types of Jihad are struggling against one’s desires, Satan, poverty, illiteracy, and disease, and fighting all evil forces in the world.

There are many religious texts that refer to these types of Jihad. One of the forms of Jihad is defending life, property or honor. Those who die while engaging in Jihad are considered to be martyrs, as confirmed by Prophetic Hadiths. Jihad is also done to avert aggression on home countries and on all that is held sacred, or in order to face those who try to hinder the march of the call of truth."

Thus, Jihad is never a tool of waging war against the innocents. It is never a means of flexing the muscles or bullying the weak and oppressed. Jihad in Islam is something unique that is established to defend the divine message from being eliminated or hindered by its enemies.

Focusing on the question in point, the prominent Al-Azhar scholar Sheikh `Abdul-Majeed Subh states the following:

"I would like to tell you, dear son or dear daughter, who may share in the same belief or have his or her own, that understanding defensive Jihad as initiating fighting without a religiously acceptable reason is a total misunderstanding of the tenets of faith and the clear Qur'anic verses. In the Qur'an, defensive Jihad is under condition of repelling aggression, whereas preemptive Jihad is done only when the Muslim Ummah seriously expects a treason or an attack against its territories from an enemy.

Referring to this, Allah Almighty says: "Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not do aggression, for Allah loves not the aggressors. Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers." (Al-Baqarah 190-194)

Contemplating over the meanings and shades of the aforementioned verses that are best misused and misinterpreted by many non-Muslims, I can deduce the following:

1- The apparently preemptive Jihad in the first verse "Fight…" is not an open call for all those who differ in creed. Rather, it is conditioned by "… those who fight…".

2-The phrase "And slay them wherever ye find them…" in the second verse is conditioned by "…but if they attack you…"

3- The general rule that everyone should pay attention to along the line is that "…Allah loves not the aggressors." And "… But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers."

After the above explanation, I would like to add that Islam prohibits attacking those who do not fight. As I stated above, the preemptive war in Islam is only permitted when there is treason against Muslims from the enemy with whom they live in peace, or imminent attack against the Muslim territories. In such cases, Muslims are not supposed to stand hand-cuffed and wait to be slaughtered by others, although the war they are supposed to launch is not an aim in itself.

Having said this, I would like to classify war in Islam into three main categories:

1-Defensive War, which is resorted to when the enemies of Muslims attack the religion, honor, property, territories etc,

2-Liberating War, which is done to liberate all those who are oppressed, such as slaves. This form of war was normal in the early days of Islam.

3- Preemptive War, which is launched only when Muslims know for sure that there is treason against their peaceful treaties with the enemy, when the enemy has a serious plan to attack them.

It is worth stressing at the end that all the three kinds of war that are mentioned above are approved by international law, and they are in effect in modern laws."

For those who would have us beleive that christianity does not advocate violenece:

"I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword" is one of the controversial statements reported of Jesus in the Bible.

The saying has been understood in several ways, by Christians and non-Christians, to support several mutually-incompatible conclusions. Its main significance in that context is that it is often offered as evidence that Jesus advocated violence or rejected Messianic prophecy— a view that is repugnant to some Christians, such as the Peace churches.

The "full" quote, according to the NASB translation of the Bible, reads (Jesus speaking):

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
The Lukan parallels (12:49–53,14:25–33) read:

NASB
" 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53)


"49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (Luke 12:49-53)

Verse comparison
NASB
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26)
And in Luke 22:35-38

"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." (Luke 22:36 NASB)
And the related Gospel of Thomas 16 (non-canonical) (SV) reads:

"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."



“For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY them before me. And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem” (Luke 19:26-28).


lets not forget the events of Bosnia,and Albania,where Christian Orthodox Serbs and Catholic Croats engaged in genocide of bosnian muslims.(do i hear someone saying they aren't real christians?)Christianity must be inherently evil.


y'all should spend more time reading your bible(whichever version suits you best ) and less time cherry picking the Quran.

Thanks for the politically correct modern jihad interp.
When Muhammad and his marauding  gang were pillaging caravans and capturing innocent women as war booties,he was not using the sheikh mohammeds interp.
When Usman dan fodio spread and his horsemen rode into Africa and Nigeria we all know his swords were no weapons of peace.
Please spare us these pack of IslamoChristianity!

When a sunni can cut off the head of a shitte in a mosque 5 pillars and all,need I say more!

no comments on jesus bringing a sword?

or on the recent(not as you once said, crimes commited by christians in the long ago past) genocide by serbian christians against muslims? murder, internment, gang rape, etal . over 200,000 killed.

or on the part played by the catholic church in rwanda?

Father Guy Theunis, who had worked as a missionary in Rwanda from 1970 until 1994, was arrested at the airport in the country's capital, Kigali. He was reportedly in transit to the Democratic Republic of Congo when he was taken into custody.

Rwandan prosecutor Emmanuel Rukangira said that the Belgian priest had provoked Rwandans toward genocide by republishing articles from an extremist publication in his Dialogue magazine. The editor of those articles, Hassan Ngeze, has already been sentenced to life imprisonment by the UN tribunal investigating the Rwandan atrocities.

Many Catholic priests and religious have been charged with participation in the slaughter of 1994, in which 800,000 members of the minority Tutsi ethnic group were killed along with more moderate members of the majority Hutu tribe. Rwanda, a former Belgian colony, is heavily Catholic, and Tutsis flocked to Church properties in an effort-- often unsuccessful-- to escape the massacres

or on those charming fellows in the lord's resistance army?they should make you sick:
widespread human rights violations, including mutilation, torture, rape, the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and a number of massacres.

And what of the never ending beef between irish catholics and protestants?

lets not forget the world's most powerful born again,George W Bush . the man who invaded a sovereign country under false pretenses(jehovah must have told him to), and who authorised torture, (politcically correct word:stress positions) imprisonment , of innocent citizens.you know the soldiers in iraq have taken a cue from the nazis (they are numbering iraqi citizens.

yep, y'all are definetely bringing the sword, and not the peace!

And for the record, Islam is nothing like christianity, and it doesn't aim to be.

@oyb

By your reasoning,or the lack of one,any immoral act committed by a Christian exposes the non-peaceful nature of Christianity.That is bizarre .

I suppose by that measure,the actions of Sani Abacha tell us a lot about Islam.Same goes for Idi Amin.Your reasoning is baffling,idiotic and laughable

The real question is,whether any of those acts you talk about,whether in-Rwanda,Iraq,Bosnia-were done in the name of religion.Did the Hutus kill Tutsis in the name of religion?Did the Serbs kill Bosnians in the name of Christianity?

Its amazing how Muslims stretch the boundaries of logic to excuse their violence plagued religion.

oyb, thanks for that "erudite" obfuscation of the real idea behind jihad. Please go and explain that definition to osama bn laden!  

As for the "sword" of christianity you so easily pulled out of your bag of islamic tricks, you like all muslims desperate to hang on to straws prefer to read the bible out of context in order to find faults to hide the obvious fraud that the quran is. If you had truly searched the scriptures it should not be difficult to find other verses that describe God's word (the bible) as the sword of the spirit.

You apparently also prefered to deliberately ignore the scene at the mount of olives where Christ had to reprimand Peter for trying to use his sword to defend Him. Christ said: "those who live by the sword shall die by the sword".
For my bible makes it clear that the weapons of our warfare (including the SWORD OF THE SPIRIT) are not carnal but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds. Jesus Christ came with a sword but it is not the kind Mohammed used to hack off the head of his percieved enemies. It is the sword of the spirit, His word with which we face everyday challenges knowing victory is certain.

davidlyan,
rather than refer to the verses(sword of the spirit) , can you post them? .do you truly think i am interested in researching your so called holy book? i am only descending(be careful when fightig monsters, you may become one) to the level of the  CCCC (coalition of cyberspace christian crusaders )-cherry picking your 'holy book'.

as to your 'sword of the spirit'(must be a prayer warrior thing ) thats even more erudite obsfucation!(maybe you can explain it to the leaders and members of the groups listed below



pleese provide your input on the other verses:


" 49 I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53)


"49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. (Luke 12:49-53)

Verse comparison
NASB
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26)
And in Luke 22:35-38

"But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one." (Luke 22:36 NASB)
And the related Gospel of Thomas 16 (non-canonical) (SV) reads:

"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."



“For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY them before me. And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem” (Luke 19:26-28).

and for your information i pulled em out of wikipedia.unlike you and your friends in the CCCC , i don't go to islambasher.org .i look for unbiased references.

Iman-

you have chosen to forget:Muslim bosnians were massarced by Christian orthodox serbs and catholic croats.they were killed ,attacked and interned because they were muslim, not because they were serbian, (duuuuh!weren't you watching CCN?)

i admit, the comments on Rwanda were over the top .i could't resist it.they were just to let you know.CHRISTIAN PRIESTS, who were supposed to have tried to stop the violence , were encouraging it.(aren't yall supposed to love your brothers?). you all go on about how violent muslims are-obviously y'all are no different.

you deliberately chose to ignore the lord's resistance army.

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA),[1] formed in 1987, is a paramilitary group operating mainly in northern Uganda and parts of Sudan. The group is engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in what is now one of Africa's longest-running conflicts. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself a spirit medium, and apparently wishes to establish a state based on his unique interpretation of the Acholi religious syncretism and Premillennialism. The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including mutilation, torture, rape, the abduction of civilians, the use of child soldiers and a number of massacres.

Premillennialism in Christian eschatology is the belief that Christ will literally reign on the earth for 1,000 years at his second coming. The doctrine is called premillennialism because it views the current age as prior to Christ’s kingdom. It is distinct from the other forms of Christian eschatology such as amillennialism or postmillennialism, which view the millennial rule as either figurative and non-temporal, or as occurring prior to the second coming. Premillennialism is largely based upon a literal interpretation of Revelation 20:1-6 in the New Testament which describes Christ’s coming to the earth and subsequent reign at the end of an apocalyptic period of tribulation. It views this future age as a time of fulfillment for the prophetic hope of God’s people as given in the Old Testament.

lets consider others

The National Liberation Front of Tripura


The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was formed in December 1989 for the purpose of seceding from India in order to create an independent state of Tripura. The NLFT has conducted a systematic and violent campaign against Bengalis, Hindus, and parts of the tribal population to secede from India. It was declared as an unlawful organization under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act in 1997. Due to their subversive and terrorist activities, they were declared by the Government of India as a terrorist organization under the Prevention of Terrorism Act in 2002

The Baptist Church of Tripura was initially set up by missionaries from New Zealand in the 1940s. Despite their efforts, even until the 1980s, only a few thousand people in Tripura had converted to Christianity. In the aftermath of one of the worst ethnic riots, the NLFT was born in 1989—allegedly with the help of the Baptist Church. Since then, the NLFT has been advancing its cause through armed rebellion.


God's Army

God's Army is an armed revolutionary group that opposes the Theravada Buddhist military government of Myanmar and advocates a doctrine vaguely based on principles of Christianity. They are based in Thailand, and conducted a string of audacious guerrilla actions—for example, seizing the embassy of Myanmar in Bangkok—during the 1990s and early 2000s, which have been described as acts of Christian terrorism.

The group was led by brothers Johnny and Luther Htoo beginning in 1997, who were at that time estimated to be only ten years of age.

Oyb,

We are not fooled by your attempt to shift focus from the terror which is the bedrock of Islam and focus on some unknown acts by individuals that have absolutely no biblical support and absolutely no leadings from the life and example of Christ and acts that are condenmed 100% by the word of God.

You sound desperate by not being able to defend violence in Islam and attempt to equate any violence with Christianity.
Davidylan already explained to you,Christ spoke in parables often,the sword there does not mean a physical sword,if it were,show me where the disciples sold their clothes and bought swords.
They didn't  do so,they didn't have to,it was not required of them nor is it required of any Christians to kill anyone,not even those that treat you wrong.

How many Christians jubilate in these your so called Christian killings?