Premise 1: Any true faith from God that is meant for the salvation of humanity must have been in existence from the beginning of humanity

Why ?
Since the faith was meant for the salvation of humanity, it would not make sense if some part of humanity have lived and died before the establishment of that faith. In fact, they would have a genuine excuse to tender before God



Premise 2: Any true faith from God that is meant for the salvation of humanity must be within the reach of every human being irrespective of the place and time of his (her) existence.

Why ?
Since the faith was meant for the salvation of humanity, it would not make sense if that faith is not within the reach of some part of humanity. Again, they would also have a genuine excuse to tender before God.

Presently in the world we have Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Sikhism, Jainism, Bahaism and Shintoism

Now let us test the conformity of all these faiths with the two premises cited above.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism, Sikhism, Jainism, Bahaism and Shintoism all GOT THEIR NAMES from the names (or locality) of their founders. That is to say Buddhism came from the name Buddha, Hinduism from Hindu, Confucianism from Confucius, Zoroastrianism from Zoroaster, Judaism from Judah etc

Since all these faiths got their names from the names or locality of their founders and their founders are not the first set of human being on earth, all these faiths could not have been in existence from beginning of humanity. Therefore, they all FAILED to conform with Premise 1. Again, all these faiths are not within the reach of every human being. Therefore, they also FAILED to conform with Premise 2.

Therefore, we are left with Christianity and Islam

Before you can become a sincere Christian, you must believe in ATONING WORK OF JESUS ON THE CROSS for your salvation.

But many generations of human being have lived and died BEFORE the arrival of Jesus and BEFORE his death on the cross. Hence, most of the PAST generations of human being are not opportuned to hear about Jesus and his atoning work on the cross; let alone believing in him as their Savior.

Therefore, if according to Christianity, Jesus is the ONLY TRUE WAY to reach God (John 14:6) and many generations have lived and died BEFORE his arrival, then Christianity also FAILED to conform with Premise 1 and Premise 2 because it was not started at the beginning and it is not within the reach of every human being.



Since we are able to FALSIFY all other faiths on the surface of the earth, the only faith EXPECTED to be approved by God for salvation of humanity is ISLAM.


But as we have done with other faiths, let us investigate whether Islam conform with Premise 1 and Premise 2 or not.
Islam (from Arabic word 'aslama') simply means "Submission to the will of God at any point in time"

Qur'an declare as follows;
Yes- WHOEVER submits himself to God and is a doer of good,- he will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve ( Qur'an 2:112)

Therefore, the MINIMUM requirements for anyone to practice Islam (i:e Submission to will of God) and then become Muslim (i:e Submitter to the will of God) are;
1. Believe in oneness of God (which God has made known to every intelligent human being through many signs in His creation)
2. Submission to the will of God through performance of good deeds and avoidance of bad deeds ( which God has also made known to all human being through their conscience)

Therefore, if it happened that the past generations of human being were not opportuned to hear about Qur'an or any special revelation from God, then they can still become Muslims (i:e submitters to the will of God) by fulfilling these minimum requirements.

But why these minimum requirements ? What about five daily prayers, fasting and other compulsory acts stipulated in the Qur'an brought by prophet Muhammad (pbuh)?

God says in the Qur'an;
God does not impose upon any soul a duty but to the extent of its ability ( Qur'an 2:286).

Therefore, God cannot impose what is written in the Qur'an upon the people that never heard about any special revelation from God because it would have gone beyond their ablity.

Besides, it is not written in the Qur'an that Muhammad is the ONLY way as it is written in the Bible that Jesus is the ONLY way to reach God (John 14:6). So it is possible for the past generations of human being to become Muslims (i:e submitters to the will of God) just like Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others have become Muslims (submitters to the will of God) even WITHOUT believing in Qur'an since it was yet to be revealed .

Practicing what is written in the Qur'an is ONLY a condition for the present human beings to become Muslims since it has now been revealed.

So being a Muslim just depend on submitting to the will of God base on what God has revealed at any particular point in time.

For example, one of the God's will that was revealed to Abraham is "Sacrifice your only son for Me". Since Abraham was able to submit to this very will, he has practiced Islam (i:e submission to God's will). Therefore, Abraham was a Muslim (submitter to the will of God). Yet we cannot say Abraham was a Christian because he has lived and died before the arrival of Jesus Christ, the person that make Christianity to be possible (John 14:6)

Qur'an stated as follows;

Abraham was not a Jew nor a Christian but he was an upright and devoted Muslim, and he was not one of the polytheists (Qur'an 3:67)

If believing in Muhammad (pbuh) is ABSOLUTELY a necessary condition for any one to become Muslim (submitter to the will of God), then why did Allah call Abraham( who came BEFORE Muhammad) an upright and devoted Muslim in the verse quoted above ?

Hence, Islam (i:e submission to the will of God) is attainable by every human being irrespective of the place and time of his existence on the surface of the earth.
Therefore, Islam conform perfectly with Premise 1 and Premise 2.

This is the reason why Qur'an 3:19 declare as follows;
"Verily the only faith in the sight of God is Islam"

Do you think it is just a COINCIDENCE for Qur'an to contain this very verse while the names of all other faiths in the world are no where to be found in their scriptures takless of saying their faiths are from God ?


Do you think it is just a COINCIDENCE for Islam to be named "Islam" rather than "Muhammadanism" ?

If the name of Islam is Muhammadanism then it would be in the same category with all other faiths that got their names from the names or title or locality of their founders (e.g Buddhism from Buddha, Hinduism from Hindu, Confucianism from Confucius, Zoroastrianism from Zoroaster, Christianity from Christ etc).

But Islam is UNIQUE among all other faiths on the surface of the earth. Its name was not derived from the name 'Muhammad' because Islam was never founded by him. Islam was founded by God Himself.

OBJECTION 1;
If the past generations of humanity can attain Islam without Prophet Muhammad, then what is the essence of his coming ?
REPLY;
God knew very well that Satan will incite some people to establish all other false faiths which would cause people to DEVIATE from original Islam (i:e believing in ONENESS of God and submitting to the will of God at any particular point in time). For example, Hindus believe in many gods, Buddhists believe that there is no need to believe in any God or god. Christians believe that God is three in one or one in three. Atheists believe that there is no God. Therefore, there is need for God to correct all these false teachings invented by Satan. This is one of the reasons God sent the Holy Qur'an through His last prophet to bring the humanity back to the original track. So prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came not to found a completely new faith but to REVIVE the original Islam.
OBJECTION 2;
So if Prophet Muhammad came to revive the original Islam with its MINIMUM requirements explained up there, then why ADDITIONAL requirements like five daily prayers, fasting, Zakat and other compulsory acts in Islam ?
REPLY:
Human beings are not in a position to understand completely the reasons why God commanded us to do some certain things. Yet we can still use our sense to fathom some of these reasons. The most obvious reason is that God want to test our obedience to His additional commands just like He tested the obedience of Abraham to the command of sacrificing his only son.

Another fathomable reason is that God want to create a specific mode of worship for the Muslims through which they would be recognized among the people of other faiths.


Please which of the premises and the analyses explained above is not true ?

You still have a lot to learn. Who told you Christ is his name?

It's so easy to spot brainwashed religious people who practice their faith out of inductrination rather than genuine personal relationship with their God. Forget whose side they are on. The moment they open their mouth to speak, you can pick out those practicing faith under genuine beliefs and those practicing faith based on hat their religious leaders have implanted in their minds

OP I don’t get your logic. So because something is popular means it’s right?
Islam is just as useless as Christianity

You said

Abdulgaffar22:

OBJECTION 2;
So if Prophet Muhammad came to revive the original Islam with its MINIMUM requirements explained up there, then why ADDITIONAL requirements like five daily prayers, fasting, Zakat and other compulsory acts in Islam ?
REPLY:
[s]Human beings are not in a position to understand completely the reasons why God commanded us to do some certain things.[/s] Yet we can still use our sense to fathom some of these reasons. The most obvious reason is that God want to test our obedience to His additional commands just like He tested the obedience of Abraham to the command of sacrificing his only son.
Another fathomable reason is that God want to create a specific mode of worship in Islam through which Muslims would be recognized among the people of other faiths.

Please which of the THREE PREMISES explained above is not true ?

With this crap you wrote up there I’m really scared to engage you in an intellectual discuss. If we humans can understand how complex life came to this world and most people still don’t acknowledge the fact of evolution with all the overwhelming evidence brought up, how come you can believe someone/something you don’t understand or have any evidence for

You’re a recipe for disaster!

@ OP, you should have posted this in Islam for Muslim section. You guys dont like it when people ask question about Islam. But you come to the general religion section to share your idea. Is it not an irony?

delishpot:
You still have a lot to learn. Who told you Christ is his name?

It's so easy to spot brainwashed religious people who practice their faith out of inductrination rather than genuine personal relationship with their God. Forget whose side they are on. The moment they open their mouth to speak, you can pick out those practicing faith under genuine beliefs and those practicing faith based on hat their religious leaders have implanted in their minds

as in eh! what he wrote up there is complete hogwash

It is 2019, and people still believe there is a god.

@hakeem4

If evolution is true, pls can you tell me the reason why the act of robbery is not personally good for me ? Or is it good for me to engage in the act of robbery ? Pls answer this very question

hakeem4:
OP I don’t get your logic. So because something is popular means it’s right?
Islam is just as useless as Christianity

You said

With this crap you wrote up there I’m really scared to engage you in an intellectual discuss. If we humans can understand how complex life came to this world and most people still don’t acknowledge the fact of evolution with all the overwhelming evidence brought up, how come you can believe someone/something you don’t understand or have any evidence for

You’re a recipe for disaster!

Evolution is hoax! Please dont elevate to status of fact. Its a very fanciful theory.

NicodemusMusa:
Evolution is hoax! Please dont elevate to status of fact. Its a very fanciful theory.

what did I just read?! evolution a hoax? do you even know what it is? please don't argue like an unlearned person. Evolution is a scientific fact! and there is no contrary argument

NicodemusMusa:
Evolution is hoax! Please dont elevate to status of fact. Its a very fanciful theory.

it is a scientific fact just like gravity also! Do you have anything to prove evolution wrong ?

Abdulgaffar22:
@hakeem4

If evolution is true, pls can you tell me the reason why the act of robbery is not personally good for me ? Or is it good for me to engage in the act of robbery ? Pls answer this very question

evolution does not tell you what is right or wrong. Stop reading that Quran cause there’s no wisdom there

herakles:



what did I just read?! evolution a hoax? do you even know what it is? please don't argue like an unlearned person. Evolution is a scientific fact! and there is no contrary argument

Fact is an observation of an experiment. Observation that is true in present time. Observation that was true in past, can also be a fact. Who then observed evolution?

hakeem4:
it is a scientific fact just like gravity also! Do you have anything to prove evolution wrong ?

Evolution must have a beginning for it to be true. Where did it start from?

NicodemusMusa:
Evolution must have a beginning for it to be true. Where did it start from?

well... this is a sign you don’t read. If you had skipped your science classes this question won’t arise. You’re confusing Abiogenesis for evolution.

@hakeem4


Yes evolution does not tell what is right or wrong . But do you agree that there must be logical implication of believing in evolution ? Pls tell me why robbery is not personally good for me

NicodemusMusa:
Fact is an observation of an experiment. Observation that is true in present time. Observation that was true in past, can also be a fact. Who then observed evolution?

wow !
Did you witness world war 2 ? If you did not witness it, how did you know it happened ?

hakeem4:
well... this is a sign you don’t read. If you had skipped your science classes this question won’t arise. You’re confusing Abiogenesis for evolution.

You can start from how life started before it evolved into various life forms. You dont need to write a very lengthy article, bullet points will do. thanks

hakeem4:
wow !
Did you witness world war 2 ? If you did not witness it, how did you know it happened ?

There were witnesses.

Abdulgaffar22:
@hakeem4


Yes evolution does not tell what is right or wrong . But do you agree that there must be logical implication of believing in evolution ? Pls tell me why robbery is not personally good for me

what is terrifying me is that a lot of people will do evil if not for the fear of hell fire (afterlife)

Well as an atheist where do I get my morals from? For sure I do not get my morals from any ancient book. Now my moral comes from the fact that I would like build a progressive society and not cause pain or discomfort my neighbour. That’s why when we commit an offence we are punished so others would not do the crime.

So does stealing someone’s property cause the harm if yes, then it’s wrong. But if it’s no , then in my opinion it isn’t wrong

NicodemusMusa:
You can start from how life started before it evolved into various life forms. You dont need to write a very lengthy article, bullet points will do. thanks

Well for now we don’t know how life started but we have the abiogenesis hypothesis that tried to explain how life can begin from non-living matter

NicodemusMusa:
There were witnesses.

the same way there are overwhelming evidences supporting evolution.

hakeem4:
the same way there are overwhelming evidences supporting evolution.

No archeological evidence to support evolution. The search for the missing link has been abandoned.

NicodemusMusa:
No archeological evidence to support evolution. The search for the missing link has been abandoned.

where do you get your informations from ? I hope it’s not from WhatsApp broadcasts posing this statement in 2019 will makes you look ignorant. When you can go to scientific journals and read peer reviewed papers.

I would love to explain it to you but this is the religion section and I’m here to bury god!

hakeem4:

Well for now we don’t know how life started but we have the abiogenesis hypothesis that tried to explain how life can begin from non-living matter

I thought the biologists Louis Pasteur told us that all life comes from pre-existing life?

NicodemusMusa:
Fact is an observation of an experiment. Observation that is true in present time. Observation that was true in past, can also be a fact. Who then observed evolution?

like I said don't argue like an unlearned person. there is proof that it occured and modern experiments have been made to back up the claim in recent times. a simple Google search for modern evidence of evolution (in bacteria or any living organism of your choice) will open your eyes. it is simply a fact, and to deny it is ignorance. many people that argue against it don't really know what it is in the first place. they hold on to religious arguments that are meant to discredit the truth of evolution.

@hakeem4

I said tell me why robbery is not personally good for me. I did not say why it is not good for others because I am less concerned whether it causes harm to others or not. After all I am enjoying myself with the money and properties I stole. So please can you just tell me why robbery is not personally good for me ?

@hakeem4


Well let me just put you through. The only logical reason why robbery is not personally good for me in an atheistic world is that I may end up being killed or sentenced to prison.
But suppose I am a very great and eminent robber that has police commissioner, lawyers, justice and others under my feet. Therefore, the fear of being killed or sentenced to prison is a thing of the past.
Now how would you convinced me that robbery is not personally good for me ?
Think very well. You will notice that there is absolutely no way you can convince me.
Suppose this is how I spend my life until I suddenly die. Don't you think there should be justice for all what I have done ?
If you are watching a movie and such a great and eminent robber did not face any justice till end of the movie, wouldn't you say this movie must have part 2 ? This shows that by intuition we are very sure that such a robber must face justice
And If there is nothing but the life of this world, how would this justice be administered ?

hakeem4:
where do you get your informations from ? I hope it’s not from WhatsApp broadcasts posing this statement in 2019 will makes you look ignorant. When you can go to scientific journals and read peer reviewed papers.

I would love to explain it to you but this is the religion section and I’m here to bury god!

Science can not bury God. Have you heard that scientist that differ on these theories are asked to leave the academia. Its called scientific dictatorialism. So, tell me about the missing link that Darwin talks about when he came up with the theory.

herakles:



like I said don't argue like an unlearned person. there is proof that it occured and modern experiments have been made to back up the claim in recent times. a simple Google search for modern evidence of evolution (in bacteria or any living organism of your choice) will open your eyes. it is simply a fact, and to deny it is ignorance. many people that argue against it don't really know what it is in the first place. they hold on to religious arguments that are meant to discredit the truth of evolution.

You spoke about experiment. Do you think every scientist out there agrees with the theory? Kindly show us the proof, or at least state a summary of the proof. Referring me to some journals that you did not even cite does not help. Yet you call yourself leaned.

Abdulgaffar22:
@hakeem4


Well let me just put you through. The only logical reason why robbery is not personally good for me in an atheistic world is that I may end up being killed or sentenced to prison.
But suppose I am a very great and eminent robber that has police commissioner, lawyers, justice and others under my feet. Therefore, the fear of being killed or sentenced to prison is a thing of the past.
Now how would you convinced me that robbery is not personally good for me ?
Think very well. You will notice that there is absolutely no way you can convince me.
Suppose this is how I spend my life until I suddenly die. Don't you think there should be justice for all what I have done ?
If you are watching a movie and such a great and eminent robber did not face any justice till end of the movie, wouldn't you say this movie must have part 2 ? This shows that by intuition we are very sure that such a robber must face justice
And If there is nothing but the life of this world, how would this justice be administered ?

well most atheist might not agree with me, because there’s no universal atheist position on any topic.

Well the truth is that there’s no punishment when you’re dead. But let’s look at it this way. Let me suspend my reasoning so I can put myself in your position. Assuming there’s consciousness after death wouldn’t it be stupid for you to be punished for a sin you committed in another dimension. It’s like punishing me for a sin I did while I was in primary school now that I’m in the university.


Punishing me for me for a crime I did on earth while I’m dead won’t bring justice to my victims. Imagine after robbing the bank and I make the community suffer. When I die and I’m in the presence of the heavenly dictator what would be the use if he decides to punish me? Would it make those people who have suffered un-suffer?