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Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 4:43pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Blue3k: No, it must not be up to the north to abolish it. If we must continue to share one country with this people, we must agitate that this system must be abolished because it affects the entire country negatively. We cannot claim to be in a secular country with a secular constitution and yet a section of the country are ruled by religious leaders or political leaders who pay respect to religious authorities, that's absolute rubbish. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 5:02pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
jpphilips: People are beheaded instantly on the streets on mere accusations of insulting the prophet or tearing the Koran or selling food/eating food during Ramadan and no one is arrested or prosecuted, rather the killers are celebrated with jubilations. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Blue3k(m): 5:03pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Good luck with that. If you want to abolish one traditional institution your going to be asked to do all. They aren't ruled by them hence why Sanusi is controlled by kano state government. Sanusi said he dislikes Almajari system why hasnt he banned it as ruler if he has political power. Everything you see wrong with state is result of elected bodies. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 5:26pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Blue3k: Yes if it will take us abolishing all traditional institutions for the religious traditional institutions to go, then so be it. It would do better for us than a system that promotes religious discrimination on it's own. Do u know that a Hausa-fulani christian can never be an Emir since he is not a muslim even if he is the heir to the throne? If it was truly a traditional stool, his religion should never be the issue, but rather his ethnicity. At least Hausa fulanis are predominantly muslim, what about tribes like Zuru/Bura where the majority are christians but only muslims become Emirs and represent only the muslim minority of these tribes, is that not madness?? Tomorrow now if the christian majority decides to revolt and everywhere goes up in flames with thousands of lives lost like what happened in Kaduna in the past, people will start witchunting and calling names. Well, let us continue looking at all these nonsense and watch our country self destruct upon the alter of injustice and extremism. At the end we all suffer together. Sanusi had the power to end Almajiranci within Kano and the region at large by influencing the state institutions and other northern traditional leaders in subtle and solution proferring manner but instead he went on full scale verbal attacks and open criticism of the entire region. He wasn't just centered on Almajiranci, rather on the entire system of the region. Not even Kano state governor has the power to end Almajiranci with brute force. It would take a lot of government/traditional coalition from the various states of the north with a subtle approach on the masses and religious leaders before any longtime negative practice can be abolished in the north. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Ashiru97(m): 7:13pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
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Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Mujtahida: 7:19pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
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Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Mujtahida: 7:25pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Nowenuse:Investigate the holocaust. Do you know that it's a crime to question the historicity of the holocaust? Why is that so when the truth fears no investigation? Investigate ma'am |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Mujtahida: 7:30pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
MossadAgent:I can see that you are woke. You are jew wise. Visit darkmoon.me especially the archives, you'd enjoy it. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Mujtahida: 7:44pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Nowenuse:I didn't even read what mossadagent wrote before I requested that you investigate. Well let me give you two more leads: Do you know that the famous Anne Frank Diary was proved by the renowned French revisionist Robert Faurisson to be a fake fiction story? do you know that the number of supposed victims at one of the camps namely Auschwitz was reduced from 4 million to 1.5 million in 1989 after former soviet files were opened and yet one still hears of 6 million holocaust victims? Below are the two different plaques. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 8:40pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Nowenuse: So this is the definition of an Islamic state? |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 8:41pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Taavon2: Do you know any Islamic terror group that started unleashing terror from day one of its birth? 2 Likes |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 8:42pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
MossadAgent: Is Fulani a religion? 1 Like |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 8:43pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
jpphilips: No it is the definition of a secular state. Mtcheew. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 8:44pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
darediamond: Please before you advance your Almajiri lecture probably gotten from a roofless mosque instead of a proper school, go and learn the basics and tell whoever is your tutor to teach you how to construct English sentences. Thank you!! 1 Like |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 8:47pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Glad you know, so why do we have to swell the ranks of problems we already have by tolerating Shiites in our population? what do we stand to gain as a nation with dissidents whose loyalty is with a pariah nation thousands of miles away? 1 Like |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 8:53pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
jpphilips: By tolerating shiites? You are talking as if these shiites are Iraqi or Iranian citizens. These are Nigerian citizens. Or do we no longer have freedom of religion in Nigeria again? Fulani herdsmen are much of a bigger problem to Nigeria than Shiites could ever be, yet the FG is turning a blind eye to the herdsmen. There can never be peace in a country where the government is partial. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 8:54pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Absolutely, Christians have got just 2 seats in a parliament of 260, yet someone is trying harder than Titanium to convince me they are treated like kings in Iran, since you seem more celebral than the other mosquitoes, kindly tell me how many christians are represented in the Iranian Assembly of experts? (the body with power to enthrone the supreme leader) 1 Like |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Ashiru97(m): 8:55pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Mujtahida:Ok thanks |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 8:59pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
jpphilips: How many do christians have in Saudi Arabia & Yemen? Iran (the capital of Shiism) treats christians far better and honorably than Saudi Arabia (the capital of Sunnism), this na the koko of the matter. There are 600 churches all over Iran, how many are in Saudi? |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by ifyboy60(m): 9:35pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Blue3k: u get time o, that guy is a known Hezbollah bot. he will bore you to death with his conspiracy theories. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by darediamond(m): 9:52pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Just as expected, you sound childish. What more do you have to say? jpphilips: |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Marjoribanks: 11:20pm On Aug 06, 2019 |
Mujtahida:You use to be a Christian but you are not a Muslim so what are you if I may ask. An Atheist? There are always two sides to a story and one is entitled to choose side or stay neutral. You aren't neutral! You choose the side against the Jews others might decide to choose the Jews story. No one is right or wrong, bro. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Blue3k(m): 2:35am On Aug 07, 2019 |
Nowenuse: You're logically consistent that's good. If you're agsinst titles of nobility (monarchy) in general that makes sense. Telling me non muslim can be emir doesn't both me because non catholic cant be pope. Non Igbo and male cant be igwe. All these institutions are the same at their core just traditional institutions the state government taxes people to uphold. Your example about Zuba/Bura doesn't mean anything to me. If they're majority and dislike institution they should petition state to stop taxing them to uphold it. Second if they haven't revolted over it in past 30 doubt much will happen now. You agree didn't Sanusi political power. He can lobby but not much else. Kano does have power to regulate and end it. Enforce child abondonment laws to stop new ones. Have current kids put in orphanages to be adopted. The can do talks and all that other stuff. Ps: you dont want traditional institutions to exist so its just state. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Mujtahida: 5:59am On Aug 07, 2019 |
Marjoribanks:I simply believe that though there's God, Jehovah ain't the true God but an impostor. Yes I used to believe the story about the holocaust but reading the other side, weighing things up in the larger context of history and the antecedents of the Jews and their plans for world domination made me switch. I am not neutral but most people know only one side of the story. My mission is to alert them to the fact that there's another side to the story and they should investigate and make up their minds in the light of their findings. Believing a thing just by knowing one side of the story does not accord with common sense but that's how even religion operates. Nobody has ever heard the devil's side of things. Even our courts do not operate that way. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Taavon2: 6:09am On Aug 07, 2019 |
jpphilips: My point exactly. You can sympathize with possible reasons why the Government might want to clamp down on the Shiites early before they evolve into something the government will have no control over later. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Nowenuse: 11:36pm On Aug 07, 2019 |
Blue3k: Your analogy of the Igbo Igwe and Catholic pope does does not correlate with mine. The Igwe title is traditional and an Igbo man even though he becomes a muslim, a hindu or a buddhist, he still remains Igwe and rules over the 99% Christian Igbo masses. A northern muslim man who becomes a christian cannot become an Emir of a place that is even predominantly christian! If u fail to get this comparison and gross anomaly, then I think I give up ! Zuru or Bura people may not be able to change their religious traditional institutions because they live in states where the population is predominantly muslim and in support of this injustice. Southern Kaduna and Sayawa people of southern Bauchi were only able to break out of emirates and get their chiefdoms because they had very bloody riots and crisis with the Hausa muslims, otherwise, nothing would have happened about it till now. If Kano state govt alone fights almajiranci, all the almajiris will simply relocate to the neighbouring states. Watch how opposition politicians in the state will start using support of almajiranci to gain massive votes and political support till the incumbency out of fear gives in. Watch how religious leaders brainwash the masses in labelling the governor an infidel for fighting an islamic practice. See pls, have u ever lived in the north? Let me know who I'm talking with about this issue pls. It will take a strong coalition of all political, traditional & religious leaders and many others before certain practices can be abolished in the core-north, one man cannot do it, no matter who he is, not even the Sultan alone! |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by Blue3k(m): 1:21am On Aug 08, 2019 |
Nowenuse: The point was to say monarchy in general is dumb. The catholic anology is what fits. If you want one to one anology try greece with eastern orthodox church or crown with Anglican church. Lol Zuru or Bura people anology is no different that igwe. You live in place 99% disagree with you on issue. Oh well chief they have reps change things Democraricly. If they let boil that far oh well. If they take almajari oh well thats their issue. The people of those states have ability to vote clowns. The issue exist becsuse they cool with them. What's islamic about almajari cite the koran, hadith or sunnah of Muhammad. Its the easiet counter. The almajari system is Nigerian creation for most part. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 6:14am On Aug 08, 2019 |
Taavon2: You can as well not arrest thieves for fear of turning into armed robbers, which society thinks like that? 1 Like |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 6:18am On Aug 08, 2019 |
darediamond: You think you sound normal with Arabian English? Abeg take your Elzakzaky nonsense to Iran we don't need it.Can Iran tolerate an agent of a foreign nation on her soil? |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 6:20am On Aug 08, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Saudi Arabia never said they treat Christians like vegetables, someone made the false claim of Iran which has been disproved with facts. What is this hugging up on Christians to fulfill an Islamic agenda? Bros we don't need it, take your madness to Iran Nigerian Christians have never begged for any alliance from either sides (Sunni/Shiites), we have coexisted with Sunni muslims and other Shiite muslims relatively peacefully like every other multicultural & multiethnic society, IMN and their Iranian madness is the problem, Goodluck Jonathan a Christian roasted 2 of his sons for national security reasons, Buhari a Sunni roasted their whole caliphate for the same reason. When will you understand its nation first before religion? Be like other Shiite groups in Nigeria or fvck the hell off to Iran. |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 7:01am On Aug 08, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Their Loyalty lie with the Iranian government as such can renounce their Nigerian citizenship, they only use Nigerian passport to travel, nothing more. We have freedom of religion no doubt, Shiites crossed that line already by declaring a caliphate in Kaduna state, one that denied entry to Nigerian military service chief. I don't hear Emir of Kano claiming his palace is not Nigerian soil, neither have I heard Redeem Church claiming their camp is not Nigeria, Shiites abused their religious freedom. First of all, I don't know what is "Fulani herdsmen", I buy meat from them and they pose no threat to me, if you are referring to "Fulani militia", then I can tell you for free you have no clue what these Shiites bastards are capable of. Nigeria has several military & police operations against the Fulani militia so I dont understand the "turning a blind eye" part. While Fulani militia are armed gangs benefiting from the fall out of destabilization of Mali and Libya in the Sahel region, Shiites have made several attempts world over to over throw Sunni leaders of which Buhari is one. As we speak, the Shiite Ansarullah Allah aka Houthi rebels with the support of Iran has sacked the legitimate government of Yemen, most of whom are on exile as we speak, no wonder the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is fighting along side UAE to restore normalcy, a process that has devasted that country. The story is the same in Lebanon where they have Hezbollah in the waiting, Syria, Jordan, Bahrain, Iraq, palestine to mention a few, in all these countries, they have not known peace because of the influence of Iranian destabilizing forces, Like George Bush said in 2004, "Iran is the axis of evil" Nigerians need good governance, jobs, better life and education, we dont need appendages of evil in our backyard, pls take your madness to the middle east. 3 Likes |
Re: Saudi Iranian Rivalry Polarizes Nigerian Muslims by jpphilips(m): 7:04am On Aug 08, 2019 |
Nowenuse: It has nothing to do with Islamic state, it is the complacency of law enforcement. It is the same way people are kidnapped from their homes elsewhere in the country, no big deal. |
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