It is of a fact, that names connote nobility, royalty, wealthy and commoner classes of people in the ancient Yoruba world because Yoruba practice monarchy system, though with large characterisation of a balance social rights and equal opportunity's for all people in her domain. This is because Kings daughters or sons had always had the opportunity to be married to commoners children in the ancient Yoruba world which is still practised in today's . Therefore, Yorubas world view as regard classes of people can be attested to in organised monarchial societies across the world during the antiquity.

Unfortunately, disruption through wars, banishment from kingdoms, self exile , sojourning for greener pasture etc in Yoruba land had lexicons redefining amongst certain set of elite yoruba from Bishop Ajai Crowther, Rev. Samuel Johnson, Rev, E.A Showandé, Rev, T.A.J Ogunbiyi' era of mid 18th century upward to Early 19th century. Therefore, names and meaning have been misrepresented by a lot of us Yorubas, even among creme de la creme in today's society, such as Prof Wolé Shoyinká, Ex President Olusegun Obasanjo , whose linear knowledge of Yoruba names and meaning have misled a whole of younger Yoruba generation.

For instance , ọ́lọ́pá is misrepresented as a policeman in modern day Yoruba land by.speakers or natives who aren't vast in Yoruba lexicons,though the identification of police man with such has stuck. This is because the actual meaning of ọ́lọ́pá is, a priestly lineage known ọ́lọ́ - ọ́pá (one who is a bona fide member and mastery of ọ́pá society's knowledge)

Unfortunately, ọ́lọ́pá which is known in today's Yoruba lexicon for police personnel as well, is an idea for loose translation for ( one who hold unto club with his/her hand ), which is the descriptive meaning for police
But which is actually a common word known as, ṣọ, o-ṣọ ilú, oníkúmọ, olú-ṣọ etc.Though security, to guard, to protect,to watch over etc in the ancient Yoruba is known with name as ẹṣọ́, a word which was derived from the archaic Yoruba's, ṣọ , to secures, to protect etc. This word, ẹṣọ́ is used for adornment of the body,covering of the body from being nude protect, which simply shows the manner at which Yoruba language has been misrepresented.

Thus, the above analysis is the reason , I want us to juxtapose the actual meaning of,‘freeborn' and ‘slave' in Yoruba land.

Olopa for police is, one who holds the batton. This is because the first police men in Nigeria only carried Batons. Olopa does not mean priests in this context.

. Olode is hunters who doubled as security and they carried guns. If the first police carried guns or weapons they may have been known as Olode today. Eso is also security that carries a weapon.

Slave is Eru and freeborn is Omo. That is why Yoruba say bi a se bi Eru la fi bi Omo. Showing the liberal nature of Yoruba society towards slaves. The proverb says a freeborn and slave are born the same and came to the world the same. So, they are equal and slaves should not be treated too harshly.

The Olopa he's talking about is not police, check the ami ohun.

baby124:
Olopa for police is, one who holds the batton. This is because the first police men in Nigeria only carried Batons. Olopa does not mean priests in this context.

. Olode is hunters who doubled as security and they carried guns. If the first police carried guns or weapons they may have been known as Olode today. Eso is also security that carries a weapon.

Slave is Eru and freeborn is Omo. That is why Yoruba say bi a se bi Eru la fi bi Omo. Showing the liberal nature of Yoruba society towards slaves. The proverb says a freeborn and slave are born the same and came to the world the same. So, they are equal and slaves should not be treated too harshly.

baby124:
Olopa for police is, one who holds the batton. This is because the first police men in Nigeria only carried Batons. Olopa does not mean priests in this context.

. Olode is hunters who doubled as security and they carried guns. If the first police carried guns or weapons they may have been known as Olode today. Eso is also security that carries a weapon.

Slave is Eru and freeborn is Omo. That is why Yoruba say bi a se bi Eru la fi bi Omo. Showing the liberal nature of Yoruba society towards slaves. The proverb says a freeborn and slave are born the same and came to the world the same. So, they are equal and slaves should not be treated too harshly.

In the context of club's introduction,it was as a form of Britain's stylish policing. And it became a separated form of policing of the Yoruba of the antiquity. Unlike English western educated Yorubas of the era of the 18th /early 19th century that wrongfully altered certain meaning that's not in accordance of the daily speakers of Yoruba language even till today. Interestingly, baton or club has been in Yoruba land with its usage, which weren't flung in the society as a threat to erroneous set of people in the orderly Yoruba duchies, kingdoms and empire. The word known as , ‘ọ́lọ́ - ọ́pá' (ọ́lọ́pá) stand the test of time before the coinage of ‘ọlọ̀pàá' ,an English's Christians elite's policemen who hold stick', of 18th/ early19th century Yoruba- English Dictionary.

Can't remember the last I read a beautiful thread with civil discuss as this

@Olu317
I love your post on this thread... wish you a great 2020
and a fantastic new decade ahead as well.

All the best!

P.S. I do not want to post anything on that
thread that mislabelled the etymology of Akara
again so as not to further push the thread up
or make it more visible.

I would have acknowledged the comment
that you made to me on that thread and so
that is the reason why I had to make the
comment here.

The little % of Yoruboid words actually
came into the northern area of Anambra
and Enugu via the Igala who speak
a Yoruboid language of between 65%
to 70% similarity to core as even confirmed
by the Attah of Igala Michael Oboni himself
and Igala School here on NL.

Infact an elderly Ebira man whose post
I read criticising some young Igalas on
Facebook for not knowing their ancestry
said that Igala evolved from the fusion
of Akpoto Yoruba and Ebira Koto.
This definitely shows that Yoruba
and Ebira bloodlines flow in the veins
of Igalas who are at the confluence axis
of Nigeria with some mixings later of
some Edoid and a few Ibos to the south
of Igaland.

Igalas also moved via military conquest
the current Anambra and Enugu axis
and mixed with some aboriginals...
and Igala-associated communities
exist such as Aguleri, Umueri, Nri,
Nsukka, Enugu-Ezike, Uzo Uwani
axis in Enugu as well.


Infact some people parading themselves
as Ibo today are actually of direct Igala
maternal and paternal lineage.

This is what the Ooni of Ife and other
Yoruba kings have to know so they
can also interact more with the Attah
of Igala so that more of these FACTS
CAN COME OUT. It seems like when the
Ooni was saying last year about the
link between Ife and the Ugbos [Ilajes]
who are the aborigines of Ife prior to
the Oduduwa Dynasty, he was not refering
to the Ibo tribe east of River Niger as such
but he also seemed to confuse some
of the few Yoruboid words in Ibo by
thinking that it is the Ibos that have
direct links with Yorubas or Ifes... but it is
actually the Igalas who have more DIRECT
blood ties with Yorubas via the Kogi State
axis!


DNA tests also show a high Benin/Togo
Region for some Ibos in the several videos
on AncestryDNA. All the several videos
of Ibos and Yorubas also do not show
any Jewish genetic markers for Ibos or even
Arabian markers for Yorubas which
debunks the so-called Lamurudu
or even any Hebrew bloodline in
Yorubas so far tested.

Alex Boye's Ancestry DNA Results: BRITISH-YORUBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM


My 23 and Me Ancestry Results #NIGERIAN: Lois Akinola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8BW9ALimw



An African (Nigerian Ibo) gets his Ancestry DNA results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDwjBDxUmA

A Nigerian-American (Ibo) guy takes an African Ancestry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_dAfxRy6no
Shocking Tikar maternal line from Bamenda axis of
Cameroon... his mother is NOT of Ibo direct maternal lineage
as he was expecting. Many Tikars were sold by Fulahs into
slavery in the 1800s as well.


African gets Ancestry DNA Results | Nigerian (Ibo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p83FUSobPUg




All Fulanis who are NOT natives of Nigeria
or have a homeland in Nigeria but were
originally from Senegal and Guinea
before invading what is now Hausaland in
Nigeria after 1800 in a so-called jihad [in which
Hausa and Kanuri people were capture and
sold into slavery... such as Ali Eisami a Kanuri
man in the 1800s despite being a muslim]
have not more than 20% North Africa
or Berber/Arab bloodline which I believe
to be the paternal side while the maternal side
was got from the mixing with black women
from West African originally in Senegal after
invasions before the 10th century C.E.

Ancestry DNA Result: African Fulani man, Nigeria, Jalingo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQVlUH30g8

Konquest:
@Olu317
I love your post on this thread... wish you a great 2020
and a fantastic new decade ahead as well.

All the best!

P.S. I do not want to post anything on that
thread that mislabelled the etymology of Akara
again so as not to further push the thread up
or make it more visible.

I would have acknowledged the comment
that you made to me on that thread and so
that is the reason why I had to make the
comment here.

The little % of Yoruboid words actually
came into the northern area of Anambra
and Enugu via the Igala who speak
a Yoruboid language of between 65%
to 70% similarity to core as even confirmed
by the Attah of Igala Michael Oboni himself
and Igala School here on NL.

Infact an elderly Ebira man whose post
I read criticising some young Igalas on
Facebook for not knowing their ancestry
said that Igala evolved from the fusion
of Akpoto Yoruba and Ebira Koto.
This definitely shows that Yoruba
and Ebira bloodlines flow in the veins
of Igalas who are at the confluence axis
of Nigeria with some mixings later of
some Edoid and a few Ibos to the south
of Igaland.

Igalas also moved via military conquest
the current Anambra and Enugu axis
and mixed with some aboriginals...
and Igala-associated communities
exist such as Aguleri, Umueri, Nri,
Nsukka, Enugu-Ezike, Uzo Uwani
axis in Enugu as well.


Infact some people parading themselves
as Ibo today are actually of direct Igala
maternal and paternal lineage.

This is what the Ooni of Ife and other
Yoruba kings have to know so they
can also interact more with the Attah
of Igala so that more of these FACTS
CAN COME OUT. It seems like when the
Ooni was saying last year about the
link between Ife and the Ugbos [Ilajes]
who are the aborigines of Ife prior to
the Oduduwa Dynasty, he was not refering
to the Ibo tribe east of River Niger as such
but he also seemed to confuse some
of the few Yoruboid words in Ibo by
thinking that it is the Ibos that have
direct links with Yorubas or Ifes... but it is
actually the Igalas who have more DIRECT
blood ties with Yorubas via the Kogi State
axis!


DNA tests also show a high Benin/Togo
Region for some Ibos in the several videos
on AncestryDNA. All the several videos
of Ibos and Yorubas also do not show
any Jewish genetic markers for Ibos or even
Arabian markers for Yorubas which
debunks the so-called Lamurudu
or even any Hebrew bloodline in
Yorubas so far tested.

Alex Boye's Ancestry DNA Results: BRITISH-YORUBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG0DBuBeKWM


My 23 and Me Ancestry Results #NIGERIAN: Lois Akinola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8BW9ALimw



An African (Nigerian Ibo) gets his Ancestry DNA results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDwjBDxUmA

A Nigerian-American (Ibo) guy takes an African Ancestry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_dAfxRy6no
Shocking Tikar maternal line from Bamenda axis of
Cameroon... his mother is NOT of Ibo direct maternal lineage
as he was expecting. Many Tikars were sold by Fulahs into
slavery in the 1800s as well.


African gets Ancestry DNA Results | Nigerian (Ibo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p83FUSobPUg




All Fulanis who NOT natives of Nigeria
but were originally from Senegal and Guinea
before invading what is now Hausaland in
Nigeria after 1800 in a so-called jihad [in which
Hausa and Kanuri people were capture and
sold into slavery... such as Ali Eisami a Kanuri
man in the 1800s despite being a muslim]
have not more than 20% North Africa
or Berber/Arab bloodline which I believe
to be the paternal side while the maternal side
was got from the mixing with black women
from West African originally in Senegal after
invasions before the 10th century C.E.

Ancestry DNA Result: African Fulani man, Nigeria, Jalingo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFQVlUH30g8

@konquest; I think I have some mis-givens with some classifications regarding DNA ancessories, and no one seemed to have corrected the massive error. Watching Boyes's clip was a bit annoying to me. When it was read that he is 44% Nigerian and 37 % Benin/Togo, etc. Have they not read it in History that those from east part of Bini and Togo are mostly Yorubas. gosh! this is annoying...SO Boye is about 80% Yorubas, Using Countries . especially for sub-saharan Africa is balderdash This has to be corrected.

Olu317:
It is of a fact, that names connote nobility, royalty, wealthy and commoner classes of people in the ancient Yoruba world because Yoruba practice monarchy system, though with large characterisation of a balance social rights and equal opportunity's for all people in her domain. This is because Kings daughters or sons had always had the opportunity to be married to commoners children in the ancient Yoruba world which is still practised in today's . Therefore, Yorubas world view as regard classes of people can be attested to in organised monarchial societies across the world during the antiquity.

Unfortunately, disruption through wars, banishment from kingdoms, self exile , sojourning for greener pasture etc in Yoruba land had lexicons redefining amongst certain set of elite yoruba from Bishop Ajai Crowther, Rev. Samuel Johnson, Rev, E.A Showandé, Rev, T.A.J Ogunbiyi' era of mid 18th century upward to Early 19th century. Therefore, names and meaning have been misrepresented by a lot of us Yorubas, even among creme de la creme in today's society, such as Prof Wolé Shoyinká, Ex President Olusegun Obasanjo , whose linear knowledge of Yoruba names and meaning have misled a whole of younger Yoruba generation.

For instance , ọ́lọ́pá is misrepresented as a policeman in modern day Yoruba land by.speakers or natives who aren't vast in Yoruba lexicons,though the identification of police man with such has stuck. This is because the actual meaning of ọ́lọ́pá is, a priestly lineage known ọ́lọ́ - ọ́pá (one who is a bona fide member and mastery of ọ́pá society's knowledge)

Unfortunately, ọ́lọ́pá which is known in today's Yoruba lexicon for police personnel as well, is an idea for loose translation for ( one who hold unto club with his/her hand ), which is the descriptive meaning for police
But which is actually a common word known as, ṣọ, o-ṣọ ilú, oníkúmọ, olú-ṣọ etc.Though security, to guard, to protect,to watch over etc in the ancient Yoruba is known with name as ẹṣọ́, a word which was derived from the archaic Yoruba's, ṣọ , to secures, to protect etc. This word, ẹṣọ́ is used for adornment of the body,covering of the body from being nude protect, which simply shows the manner at which Yoruba language has been misrepresented.

Thus, the above analysis is the reason , I want us to juxtapose the actually meaning of,‘freeborn' and ‘slave' in Yoruba land.

Hi can I have your number? I enjoy your in depth knowledge of Yoruba history. I recently got an friend that introduced me to the fact that people in Mecca were not white, he said his family ties is from Arab, and it reminded me of the Yoruba we were thought in primary school to have been from Mecca. The reason why I never believed we were from Mecca was because of our dark skin, but since my friend (American), told me that Arabs were once black people, it has made me interested in history. Would love to connect with you. Thanks

baby124:
Olopa for police is, one who holds the batton. This is because the first police men in Nigeria only carried Batons. Olopa does not mean priests in this context.

. Olode is hunters who doubled as security and they carried guns. If the first police carried guns or weapons they may have been known as Olode today. Eso is also security that carries a weapon.

Slave is Eru and freeborn is Omo. That is why Yoruba say bi a se bi Eru la fi bi Omo. Showing the liberal nature of Yoruba society towards slaves. The proverb says a freeborn and slave are born the same and came to the world the same. So, they are equal and slaves should not be treated too harshly.

This is my number 09074679826, chat me on what'sapp please

@ Konquest,


Thank you for the compliment. I am really flattered. Although, on the account of a person, known as Boye, who took dna test as you mentioned can either be Yoruba or not who doesn't have no genetic link with, modern day Israelis,doesn't null the fact, that many Yoruba do have migrants status, which is found in families panegyric and Ifaodu corpus.

Besides, I don't see a person or 100+ people's DNA as the basis for genetic link of a diverse ethnic group as Yoruba who are basically bounded by religion of Ifaodu. The Yoruba people,are of both inclusive of the migrants group , who brought the knowledge of Ora to West Africa. Take for instance, the Yorubas in Americas,who have diverse Dna link to all people across the globe. One out of millions of them, is Charnissa Warren; an American woman with 36% dna link to Yoruba bloodline while she has both Neanderthal and Denisovan genetic link.

Therefore,it is pertinent to affirm here that, there are tons of books written about Yoruba ethnic groups, Kemet-Egypt, Ethiopia,Sudan kingdoms as well as Mesopotamia people in the era that thr place was a fertile land for cultivation. So, in Ypryuba culture, migrants comes into such folds, in which the earliest settlers are the aboriginal groups, who in this context became assimilated group with these migrants people because of religion, newer civilization and conquest( Your moniker Konquest )

Therefore, I am familiar with the following set of people in Yoruba's traditional oral history:

1. The migrants group that came with the knowledge of a religion called Ifaodu,that is centered on Ela(Orunmiela) ideology. This group call themselves as people who came from Oru~ Ora .And this group understand the name of God as Ela from Oru nmiela. This name meaning,‘ the light of God, wisdom, power, owner of mankind, destiny decider,one who mankind worship early morning when one wakes up etc,who created earth, mankind to populate the world.

2. The group of migrants that have a knowledge centered on Oba ti Ala, who waged war against the first migrants group because of religious difference as well as well the rightful one to the throne . This second group have knowledge of God known as ,one who reign over as ‘Ala'. Interestingly, meaning, ‘The one who is clothed in holiness, purity or white~ light God'.

3. The aboriginal group that were met or captured or who voluntarily were accepted and assimilated in the fold of the power that be, and these people became votaries, servants, slaves, husband, wives,princes or princesses, farmers, such as Akpoto group, element of Hausa groups,Tapa groups,Ibo element, and from nearly all over present day Nigeria . This is because there are sculpture heads, or other Art work, which support this postulation. For instance, the three whisker sculpture head, founs in Ileife, ’The birth place of Yoruba; This whisker scarification represents a an Hausa pattern of scarification on this face, is a bit close to Northern Yorubas of Yagba groups but it is a bit different because some Hausa do have such whiskers. Another amusing scarification is the type of ichi scarification found amongst the Ibos priests etc that was found at Ileife. Although there are artificial scarification, which are used when rituals are performed during such era,as found on Oonis. This form of scarification is always cleansed off.

From my postulation,based on written books on Yoruba Art work on Visual head,it is Obvious that the two group that waged war against one and other are likened to Islam and Coptic Christianity followers. How ? O ba ti Ala ( Allah) and Orunmi ela ( Ela ) are both central figure in Ifaodu, then one will understand it from this perspective of a struggle of religious dominance because both names identify with light ~ and purity,which sometimes, made the ifaodu more complex. This is the reason, we find people who claim, Ileife, mondina, mecca, Ora,Oru, orun, etc in Yoruba oral account. For instance, there are three account in Yoruba Creation myth, which involved, Obatala,Odudawa,and Orunmiela,And in all of these three, Ela creation myth remained more authentic because, the Ifaodu corpus says in one chapter, that Ela came as spirit being from mysterious inner place of abode to Aye/Aiye/Iye( life) to form man from soil. In ese ifaodu Ogunda, it says, ‘iri tu wiri wiri la fi da ile aiye'.

Furthermore, I posted two or more different headgears that represent crown of around late 100AD/1200 AD, in Yoruba land, which is closely same as the types found in Near East in origin, because apart from Yoruba group,no West Africans did use such at that point in times, even the Egyptians Pharaoh didn't use such such as stated below.Below are descriptive of some crowns worn in Southern Mesopotamia as compared with Yoruba's king

a) A headdress worn by south- ern Mesopotamian rulers in the late third and early second millennia B.C. is a wool cap

b) Later in the second millennium B.C. and early in the first millen- nium B.C. a high, fezlike cap was worn in Mesopotamia by nobles and kings.

c) Under the Achaemenid Persians a new crown with stepped crenellations made its appearance. This form, enriched by many elements such as crescent moons, sun rays, wings, and globes, became the royal crown of Sasanian kings.

Interestingly, this cap worn as wool is Akoro cap.In Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers,you will be amazed to see these types of Caps as worn in Near East. Even the medieval swords of Yorubas are of Northern Africa's types cum Mesopotamia.


Note: sorry for the late response.

Cheers.

ModestGal:

Hi can I have your number? I enjoy your in depth knowledge of Yoruba history. I recently got an friend that introduced me to the fact that people in Mecca were not white, he said his family ties is from Arab, and it reminded me of the Yoruba we were thought in primary school to have been from Mecca. The reason why I never believed we were from Mecca was because of our dark skin, but since my friend (American), told me that Arabs were once black people, it has made me interested in history. Would love to connect with you. Thanks

I have added you on my Whatsap digits.

ModestGal:

Hi can I have your number? I enjoy your in depth knowledge of Yoruba history. I recently got an friend that introduced me to the fact that people in Mecca were not white, he said his family ties is from Arab, and it reminded me of the Yoruba we were thought in primary school to have been from Mecca. The reason why I never believed we were from Mecca was because of our dark skin, but since my friend (American), told me that Arabs were once black people, it has made me interested in history. Would love to connect with you. Thanks

I have added you up in my Whatsap.

geosegun:


@konquest; I think I have some mis-givens with some classifications regarding DNA ancessories, and no one seemed to have corrected the massive error. Watching Boyes's clip was a bit annoying to me. When it was read that he is 44% Nigerian and 37 % Benin/Togo, etc. Have they not read it in History that those from east part of Bini and Togo are mostly Yorubas. gosh! this is annoying...SO Boye is about 80% Yorubas, Using Countries . especially for sub-saharan Africa is balderdash This has to be corrected.

^^^^
^^^^
@geosegun
I'm surprised that NL did not show me your mention. I was just scrolling
through this topic to reply one a post from Olu317 when I saw your post.

Yes to further clarify Alex Boye's DNA result from AncestryDNA[Ancestry.com],
the Benin/Togo genetic marker that was tested for as of that test is the
"Ewe" genetic marker. The Ewes are indigenous to Togo and Ghana[ Stella Adadevoh's]
paternal line is from the Volta Region which is Ewe ethnicity, and Yorubaland shares
boundaries with the Ewes in Togo. Yorubas in Togo occupy the Atakpame Region
of Togo as well and have also been living in Ghana since the days of the Oyo Empire
over 200 years ago while engaging in long-distance trading.


So we cannot rule out the intermarriage between Yorubas and Ewes, and we know that
Yorubas and Adjas[or Ajas] of Benin and Togo mixed to create the Fon ethnic group
of Benin Republic. Sango's mother was a Nupe [Tapa] woman and I know that there is
a Bariba connection in Ogbomoso[The father of the man who Ogbomoso was named
after is a Bariba and they share direct boundaries with the Yorubas from Kwara North
in Nigeria right into Benin Republic.

So yeah... I feel that Yorubas do indeed have MIXED BLOODLINES especially at the
border areas of Yorubaland extending from Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo.


Some African-Americans, Haitians, etc have tested positive for Yoruba ancestry on the maternal
and paternal lines using the services of AfricanAncestry.com as well but this is the haplogroup
test.


Hope this helps.

@Africaman

I've read the detailed email that you sent to me today.
It can be very distressing to get banned from the culture
thread or any other thread on NL by the so-called spambots.

You did the right thing by saving your original post before
emailing it to me.


I just discovered or have a hunch that it is when several
videos are attached to a post and then you try to re-edit
that post after sending the message the first time that
the NL spambot kicks in.



The email was very detailed and I learned some more
about the James Brown and Orlando Julius-Ekemode
relationship from you.

You are indeed right about Fela Kuti's music being
an eclectic mix of sounds from different genres fused
together to form his Afrobeat sound... especially from the
Koola Lobito era to Egypt 80, etc.

Thanks for the prayers as well and hope to get more
interactions with you as the months go by.

Thanks again for the detailed response.


^^^^
^^^^
"Titi speaks about learning Yoruba"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hTZ_mS7TsI[5:15]
Mar 3, 2011 - Uploaded by Cara Harshman
Learning Yoruba is not easy. The tones make it especially difficult
to hear and speak.



"Titilayo Oyinbo & Kayode Oyinbo At Buka - New York"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNalAJOrl28&gl=NG [7:04]
Aug 13, 2011 - Uploaded by SaharaTV
Titilayo Oyinbo and Kayode visited New York to experience
Nigerian food again. Both of them were in Nigeria for 9 months
learning Yoruba language. Hear them converse fluently in Yoruba.

Olu317:
@ Konquest,


Thank you for the compliment. I am really flattered. Although, on the account of a person, known as Boye, who took dna test as you mentioned can either be Yoruba or not who doesn't have no genetic link with, modern day Israelis,doesn't null the fact, that many Yoruba do have migrants status, which is found in families panegyric and Ifaodu corpus.

Besides, I don't see a person or 100+ people's DNA as the basis for genetic link of a diverse ethnic group as Yoruba who are basically bounded by religion of Ifaodu. The Yoruba people,are of both inclusive of the migrants group , who brought the knowledge of Ora to West Africa. Take for instance, the Yorubas in Americas,who have diverse Dna link to all people across the globe. One out of millions of them, is Charnissa Warren; an American woman with 36% dna link to Yoruba bloodline while she has both Neanderthal and Denisovan genetic link.

Therefore,it is pertinent to affirm here that, there are tons of books written about Yoruba ethnic groups, Kemet-Egypt, Ethiopia,Sudan kingdoms as well as Mesopotamia people in the era that thr place was a fertile land for cultivation. So, in Ypryuba culture, migrants comes into such folds, in which the earliest settlers are the aboriginal groups, who in this context became assimilated group with these migrants people because of religion, newer civilization and conquest( Your moniker Konquest )

Therefore, I am familiar with the following set of people in Yoruba's traditional oral history:

1. The migrants group that came with the knowledge of a religion called Ifaodu,that is centered on Ela(Orunmiela) ideology. This group call themselves as people who came from Oru~ Ora .And this group understand the name of God as Ela from Oru nmiela. This name meaning,‘ the light of God, wisdom, power, owner of mankind, destiny decider,one who mankind worship early morning when one wakes up etc,who created earth, mankind to populate the world.

2. The group of migrants that have a knowledge centered on Oba ti Ala, who waged war against the first migrants group because of religious difference as well as well the rightful one to the throne . This second group have knowledge of God known as ,one who reign over as ‘Ala'. Interestingly, meaning, ‘The one who is clothed in holiness, purity or white~ light God'.

3. The aboriginal group that were met or captured or who voluntarily were accepted and assimilated in the fold of the power that be, and these people became votaries, servants, slaves, husband, wives,princes or princesses, farmers, such as Akpoto group, element of Hausa groups,Tapa groups,Ibo element, and from nearly all over present day Nigeria . This is because there are sculpture heads, or other Art work, which support this postulation. For instance, the three whisker sculpture head, founs in Ileife, ’The birth place of Yoruba; This whisker scarification represents a an Hausa pattern of scarification on this face, is a bit close to Northern Yorubas of Yagba groups but it is a bit different because some Hausa do have such whiskers. Another amusing scarification is the type of ichi scarification found amongst the Ibos priests etc that was found at Ileife. Although there are artificial scarification, which are used when rituals are performed during such era,as found on Oonis. This form of scarification is always cleansed off.

From my postulation,based on written books on Yoruba Art work on Visual head,it is Obvious that the two group that waged war against one and other are likened to Islam and Coptic Christianity followers. How ? O ba ti Ala ( Allah) and Orunmi ela ( Ela ) are both central figure in Ifaodu, then one will understand it from this perspective of a struggle of religious dominance because both names identify with light ~ and purity,which sometimes, made the ifaodu more complex. This is the reason, we find people who claim, Ileife, mondina, mecca, Ora,Oru, orun, etc in Yoruba oral account. For instance, there are three account in Yoruba Creation myth, which involved, Obatala,Odudawa,and Orunmiela,And in all of these three, Ela creation myth remained more authentic because, the Ifaodu corpus says in one chapter, that Ela came as spirit being from mysterious inner place of abode to Aye/Aiye/Iye( life) to form man from soil. In ese ifaodu Ogunda, it says, ‘iri tu wiri wiri la fi da ile aiye'.

Furthermore, I posted two or more different headgears that represent crown of around late 100AD/1200 AD, in Yoruba land, which is closely same as the types found in Near East in origin, because apart from Yoruba group,no West Africans did use such at that point in times, even the Egyptians Pharaoh didn't use such such as stated below.Below are descriptive of some crowns worn in Southern Mesopotamia as compared with Yoruba's king

a) A headdress worn by south- ern Mesopotamian rulers in the late third and early second millennia B.C. is a wool cap

b) Later in the second millennium B.C. and early in the first millen- nium B.C. a high, fezlike cap was worn in Mesopotamia by nobles and kings.

c) Under the Achaemenid Persians a new crown with stepped crenellations made its appearance. This form, enriched by many elements such as crescent moons, sun rays, wings, and globes, became the royal crown of Sasanian kings.

Interestingly, this cap worn as wool is Akoro cap.In Kings, Crowns, and Rights of Succession: Obalufon Arts at Ife and Other Yoruba Centers,you will be amazed to see these types of Caps as worn in Near East. Even the medieval swords of Yorubas are of Northern Africa's types cum Mesopotamia.


Note: sorry for the late response.

Cheers.

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Olu317

You are on fire with this your post...

I enjoyed reading it.
As an Ife prince that you are, I'm not surprised
that you have some esoteric knowledge of Yoruba
history and migrations that are NOT fully in the public
domain.

About the ichi mark... are you saying it came from
Yorubaland originally based on what you wrote above?

I do know that "Afa"[Ifa in Yoruba and Igala] is consulted before a new
Eze Nri is installed and the Nri was influenced by the Igalas who introduced
kingship to that part of Iboland. Igalas also consult Ifa before a
new Attah of Igala is coronated.

No doubt Yoruba bloodlines run in Igalaland just like the
current Attah of Igala stated in a Sunday Punch interview in
2017 that I posted on Igalaschools's thread.


But then who were the people that lived in Ife
before the Oduduwa Dynasty stated?
Where did they originally come from?

Prof. Jide Osuntokun[A historian and former Nigerian
ambassador to Germany wrote in 2004 about the fact
that autochtonous or aboriginal Yorubas lived in Ife before
Oduduwa came to start a new dynasty.

The Olugbo of Ugboland, Ilaje axis in Ondo State also
indicated that it was his people that were in Ife but Ifa instructed
them not to fight but leave to avoid blood shed when they
his forebears had issues with the Oduduwa arrival.


Thanks in anticipation of your response as usual
AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION to an understanding of Yoruba
culture and traditions.[Not the kindergarten history information
children were taught in primary schools back in the day]


Signing off!

Konquest:

^^^^
^^^^
@geosegun
I'm surprised that NL did not show me your mention. I was just scrolling
through this topic to reply one a post from Olu317 when I saw your post.

Yes to further clarify Alex Boye's DNA result from AncestryDNA[Ancestry.com],
the Benin/Togo genetic marker that was tested for as of that test is the
"Ewe" genetic marker. The Ewes are indigenous to Togo and Ghana[ Stella Adadevoh's]
paternal line is from the Volta Region which is Ewe ethnicity, and Yorubaland shares
boundaries with the Ewes in Togo. Yorubas in Togo occupy the Atakpame Region
of Togo as well and have also been living in Ghana since the days of the Oyo Empire
over 200 years ago while engaging in long-distance trading.


So we cannot rule out the intermarriage between Yorubas and Ewes, and we know that
Yorubas and Adjas[or Ajas] of Benin and Togo mixed to create the Fon ethnic group
of Benin Republic. Sango's mother was a Nupe [Tapa] woman and I know that there is
a Bariba connection in Ogbomoso[The father of the man who Ogbomoso was named
after is a Bariba and they share direct boundaries with the Yorubas from Kwara North
in Nigeria right into Benin Republic.

So yeah... I feel that Yorubas do indeed have MIXED BLOODLINES especially at the
border areas of Yorubaland extending from Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo.


Some African-Americans, Haitians, etc have tested positive for Yoruba ancestry on the maternal
and paternal lines using the services of AfricanAncestry.com as well but this is the haplogroup
test.


Hope this helps.

Yes, I am actually from Kwara, so can I relate to most of the examples that you cited here...more knowledge to you.

Konquest:

^^^^^
^^^^^
Olu317

You are on fire with this your post...

I enjoyed reading it.
As an Ife prince that you are, I'm not surprised
that you have some esoteric knowledge of Yoruba
history and migrations that are NOT fully in the public
domain.

About the ichi mark... are you saying it came from
Yorubaland originally based on what you wrote above?

I do know that "Afa"[Ifa in Yoruba and Igala] is consulted before a new
Eze Nri is installed and the Nri was influenced by the Igalas who introduced
kingship to that part of Iboland. Igalas also consult Ifa before a
new Attah of Igala is coronated.

No doubt Yoruba bloodlines run in Igalaland just like the
current Attah of Igala stated in a Sunday Punch interview in
2017 that I posted on Igalaschools's thread.


But then who were the people that lived in Ife
before the Oduduwa Dynasty stated?
Where did they originally come from?

Prof. Jide Osuntokun[A historian and former Nigerian
ambassador to Germany wrote in 2004 about the fact
that autochtonous or aboriginal Yorubas lived in Ife before
Oduduwa came to start a new dynasty.

The Olugbo of Ugboland, Ilaje axis in Ondo State also
indicated that it was his people that were in Ife but Ifa instructed
them not to fight but leave to avoid blood shed when they
his forebears had issues with the Oduduwa arrival.


Thanks in anticipation of your response as usual
AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION to an understanding of Yoruba
culture and traditions.[Not the kindergarten history information
children were taught in primary schools back in the day]


Signing off!

Hello @Konquest,
I'll try to answer some of the issues/questions you raised in the bolded portion of your message above. I know it wasn't addressed to me, but I do find it interesting.

I remember reading about some pre-Oduduwa traditions in Ile-Ife, which stated that there were 99 pre-Oduduwa kings who reigned in Ife. This was referred to as the "Ikedu" traditions. I don't remember the publication title or date. When Oduduwa reached Ile-Ife, he was said to have overthrown a man called Oreluere aka Agbonniregun, who was the ruler at the time.

However, Prof Banji Akintoye, the Asiwaju Yoruba also addressed some of these issues in his Yoruba history book published back in 2010. The book's complete title is : "A History of the Yoruba People Hardcover by Stephen Adebanji Akintoye ". In the book, professor Akintoye said that Oduduwa and his followers came from the hills surrounding Ife, that they were not from Egypt/Sudan or elsewhere. He said that Ile-Ife was originally composed of 13 autonomous villages, each with its own ruler. Those villages formed a loose alliance, to which Oreluere was the head of the alliance. He also described some particularly vivid battles in which Oduduwa and his followers defeated the alliance, took power and formed a centralised kingdom. He then had his children/followers/allies carry out similar operations across the Yoruba-Ewe area of West Africa.

I would view the 13 village alliance as something similar to ECOWAS and its 15 member states, albeit on a much smaller scale. When Oduduwa took over, I would view that as almost similar to a military take over, with military administrators being appointed over the states.

Just my view.

ciao

Africaman:
Hello @Konquest,
I'll try to answer some of the issues/questions you raised in the bolded portion of your message above. I know it wasn't addressed to me, but I do find it interesting.

I remember reading about some pre-Oduduwa traditions in Ile-Ife, which stated that there were 99 pre-Oduduwa kings who reigned in Ife. This was referred to as the "Ikedu" traditions. I don't remember the publication title or date. When Oduduwa reached Ile-Ife, he was said to have overthrown a man called Oreluere aka Agbonniregun, who was the ruler at the time.

However, Prof Banji Akintoye, the Asiwaju Yoruba also addressed some of these issues in his Yoruba history book published back in 2010. The book's complete title is : "A History of the Yoruba People Hardcover by Stephen Adebanji Akintoye ". In the book, professor Akintoye said that Oduduwa and his followers came from the hills surrounding Ife, that they were not from Egypt/Sudan or elsewhere. He said that Ile-Ife was originally composed of 13 autonomous villages, each with its own ruler. Those villages formed a loose alliance, to which Oreluere was the head of the alliance. He also described some particularly vivid battles in which Oduduwa and his followers defeated the alliance, took power and formed a centralised kingdom. He then had his children/followers/allies carry out similar operations across the Yoruba-Ewe area of West Africa.

I would view the 13 village alliance as something similar to ECOWAS and its 15 member states, albeit on a much smaller scale. When Oduduwa took over, I would view that as almost similar to a military take over, with military administrators being appointed over the states.

Just my view.

ciao

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@Africaman
Hello to you.

Awesome... Thanks for this feedback on early Yoruba
history! Prof Akin Osuntokun even said there were already
existing or autochtonous communities in the Ondo
axis at the time of Oduduwa's arrival so Oduduwa's arrival
simply refers to the beginning of a new Dynasty and NOT
that he was the PROGENITOR of the Yorubas. A new Dynasty
he said should not be confused with the beginning or
origins of the people! He was the one who first opened
my eyes to the real history of the Yoruba area in 2004
because I didn't know that FACT before.


I will get Prof Banji Akintoye book "A History of the Yoruba
People" Hardcover by Stephen Adebanji Akintoye that you
recommended.


I should be able to get it at MMA2 or Lagos Airport Hotel
Book stores when I pass through. I have seen some massive history books
on sale on a wide range of issues at MMA2 from all over the world before.

He is a well-spoken historian of repute in Nigeria who I
have heard speak on Channels TV online before.

Incidentally he will be on Channels TV with Lado Akeredolu-Ale
at 9 PM [Nigerian time] today on the program called NEWSNIGHT.
I saw a preview of the program and look forward to watching it
online. Very brilliant man who also speaks extempore or offhand
with facts and figures.

I first came across the reference to Ikedu traditions in 1991 in a
magazine called roots and I shred the scanned copy with just
2 people on NL. If I check my Google Drive later on I can share
that article with you.


There is indeed more to know via archaelogy and radio carbon 14 dating
and also DNA sequencing on the history of the Yoruba people pre- and post
Oduduwa.

Thanks again for the feedback!


P.S. Don't forget to watch Channels at 9AM Nigerian time
for the interview with Prof. Banji Akintoye tonight.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@Africaman
Hello to you.

Awesome... Thanks for this feedback on early Yoruba
history! Prof Akin Osuntokun even said there were already
existing or autochtonous communities in the Ondo
axis at the time of Oduduwa's arrival so Oduduwa's arrival
simply refers to the beginning of a new Dynasty and NOT
that he was the PROGENITOR of the Yorubas. A new Dynasty
he said should not be confused with the beginning or
origins of the people! He was the one who first opened
my eyes to the real history of the Yoruba area in 2004
because I didn't know that FACT before.


I will get Prof Banji Akintoye book "A History of the Yoruba
People" Hardcover by Stephen Adebanji Akintoye that you
recommended.


I should be able to get it at MMA2 or Lagos Airport Hotel
Book stores when I pass through. I have seen some massive history books
on sale on a wide range of issues at MMA2 from all over the world before.

He is a well-spoken historian of repute in Nigeria who I
have heard speak on Channels TV online before.

Incidentally he will be on Channels TV with Lado Akeredolu-Ale
at 9 PM [Nigerian time] today on the program called NEWSNIGHT.
I saw a preview of the program and look forward to watching it
online. Very brilliant man who also speaks extempore or offhand
with facts and figures.

I first came across the reference to Ikedu traditions in 1991 in a
magazine called roots and I shred the scanned copy with just
2 people on NL. If I check my Google Drive later on I can share
that article with you.


There is indeed more to know via archaelogy and radio carbon 14 dating
and also DNA sequencing on the history of the Yoruba people pre- and post
Oduduwa.

Thanks again for the feedback!


P.S. Don't forget to watch Channels at 9AM Nigerian time
for the interview with Prof. Banji Akintoye tonight.

Hello @Konquest,

Good day to you.

You are right concerning Professor Osuntokun's claims on pre-Oduduwa Ondo area. Indeed, I remember reading about some people known as "Idoko" people inhabiting the Ondo area before Oduduwa. As babies, Princess Pupupu, her twin brother and entourage went to settle in Ondo(because they were banished from Oyo/Ife, as twins were taboo in that time period), they were welcomed by the Idoko people. The Ondo monarchy came through her descendants I believe.

I remember reading some editions of the Unesco General History of Africa more that two decades ago. I may have come across mentions of the Idoko from there originally.

I agree with you concerning the DNA sequencing to know more about these things, with some more archaelogy and anthropology. It is a shame that the Yoruba Historical Research Scheme that was set-up in (1955/56 - 1960) is no more. It it were still in existence, it would have given a more co-ordinated and focused approach to exploring the Yoruba past. I'm not sure that the current Yoruba Academy has been able to fill its shoes!

A Professor Suzzane Blier wrote a paper on the Ife bronzes, with reference to the pre-Oduduwa story of Ife. Check it out here: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/blier/files/blier.pdf

I have also watched the Channels TV interview of Professor Banji Akintoye with Lado Akeredolu-Ale, although via youtube. Thanks for alerting me to that. Someone opened a thread here on Nairaland with the youtube link. Check out the lnks here:

1) Nairaland Thread: https://www.nairaland.com/5739292/professor-banji-akintoye-yorubas-like#87504476

2) Youtube Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7KdByGK9vk&feature=emb_title


Enjoy your weekend.
ciao

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ModestGal:

Hi can I have your number? I enjoy your in depth knowledge of Yoruba history. I recently got an friend that introduced me to the fact that people in Mecca were not white, he said his family ties is from Arab, and it reminded me of the Yoruba we were thought in primary school to have been from Mecca. The reason why I never believed we were from Mecca was because of our dark skin, but since my friend (American), told me that Arabs were once black people, it has made me interested in history. Would love to connect with you. Thanks

Lol, what you're saying is offense to actual Arabs. They'd never agree that they came from black ppl

African languages are so undeveloped it's so annoying

Konquest:

^^^^^
^^^^^
Olu317

You are on fire with this your post...

I enjoyed reading it.
As an Ife prince that you are, I'm not surprised
that you have some esoteric knowledge of Yoruba
history and migrations that are NOT fully in the public
domain.

About the ichi mark... are you saying it came from
Yorubaland originally based on what you wrote above?

I do know that "Afa"[Ifa in Yoruba and Igala] is consulted before a new
Eze Nri is installed and the Nri was influenced by the Igalas who introduced
kingship to that part of Iboland. Igalas also consult Ifa before a
new Attah of Igala is coronated.

No doubt Yoruba bloodlines run in Igalaland just like the
current Attah of Igala stated in a Sunday Punch interview in
2017 that I posted on Igalaschools's thread.


But then who were the people that lived in Ife
before the Oduduwa Dynasty stated?
Where did they originally come from?

Prof. Jide Osuntokun[A historian and former Nigerian
ambassador to Germany wrote in 2004 about the fact
that autochtonous or aboriginal Yorubas lived in Ife before
Oduduwa came to start a new dynasty.

The Olugbo of Ugboland, Ilaje axis in Ondo State also
indicated that it was his people that were in Ife but Ifa instructed
them not to fight but leave to avoid blood shed when they
his forebears had issues with the Oduduwa arrival.


Thanks in anticipation of your response as usual
AND YOUR CONTRIBUTION to an understanding of Yoruba
culture and traditions.[Not the kindergarten history information
children were taught in primary schools back in the day]


Signing off!

Cc. Konquest

Please , I implore you to post the historical proofs of Igala "conquest" of northern Igbo land if you are going to talk about these things.

Also , please , educate us about these kingship Igala introduced to my own Anambra. Be elaborate and furnish us with facts not wishful thinking.

However, it's on record we the Nri/Anambra introduced 4 market days to Igala and the Ikenga cult. How can you conquer somebody yet you have no presence in these places ? Igala and Anambra/Igbo share bother and even intermarried but don't stretch it. We have facts about the Omelu-Igala lake where Nsukka dealt a devastating blow to Igala.

Don't claim what you don't have.

And what in the world does "Igala associated communities" mean ? This is not how to discuss history. The northern Anambra Igbo has inhabited the areas we currently occupy since 8th century. In fact , we are the proven oldest ethnic group in southern Nigeria. We have artifacts that outdated anything you can find across Nigeria.

1Sharon:


Lol, what you're saying is offense to actual Arabs. They'd never agree that they came from black ppl

That would be because they feel Africans are mere slaves and a non living thing, so they wouldn't want to associate. But here, I'm referring to actual scientifical history and not what or how they feel, because I don't care about what dumb people feel

IDENNAA:


Cc. Konquest

Please , I implore you to post the historical proofs of Igala "conquest" of northern Igbo land if you are going to talk about these things.

Also , please , educate us about these kingship Igala introduced to my own Anambra. Be elaborate and furnish us with facts not wishful thinking.

However, it's on record we the Nri/Anambra introduced 4 market days to Igala and the Ikenga cult. How can you conquer somebody yet you have no presence in these places ? Igala and Anambra/Igbo share bother and even intermarried but don't stretch it. We have facts about the Omelu-Igala lake where Nsukka dealt a devastating blow to Igala.

Don't claim what you don't have.

After doing DNA tests, a few Igbos notice that they have Benin/Togo genes. It is still not obvious to them that it points to the fact that they have a bit of Yoruba in them.

Remember, before the British, there were no borders. The river Niger and Benue were the natural borders.

Let me break it down a bit.
If you do your DNA test and it says something like ...
you are 4% Benin/Togo, 96% Nigeria (It means you are most likely Yoruba)
you are 4% Cameroon, 96% Nigerian (It means you are most likely Igbo)
You are 2% Senegal, 2% Sub Saharan, 96% (You are most likely Hausa). -the more Senegal type gene, the more Fulani)
Now mix this and you begin to get a better picture.

At the end of time, we will come to realise we are all one.

Freeborn and Slave in Yoruba Language.

The question/intent is not very clear.

From my little knowledge of Yoruba, it is not a taboo for a King to 'marry' a slave. Actually there's no concept of wedding for an Oba. It is simply taking/collecting the woman (slave or free). I believe the child of a slave is a slave, except if the father is not a slave, this means slave badge is not unnecessarily passed on to future generations.

A slave has no right really. Culturally, the owner of the slave is advised to be nice to their slave because we are all humans.

Despite this disposition, there are dark sides too. For instance slaves are freely used as sacrifices/labour for the community. I don't believe it was ever a rampant thing. It wasn't something any citizen can do openly. (Note: a freeborn can also be used as sacrifices).

Interesting thread.

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
@Africaman
Hello to you.

Awesome... Thanks for this feedback on early Yoruba
history! Prof Akin Osuntokun even said there were already
existing or autochtonous communities in the Ondo
axis at the time of Oduduwa's arrival so Oduduwa's arrival
simply refers to the beginning of a new Dynasty and NOT
that he was the PROGENITOR of the Yorubas. A new Dynasty
he said should not be confused with the beginning or
origins of the people! He was the one who first opened
my eyes to the real history of the Yoruba area in 2004
because I didn't know that FACT before.


I will get Prof Banji Akintoye book "A History of the Yoruba
People" Hardcover by Stephen Adebanji Akintoye that you
recommended.


I should be able to get it at MMA2 or Lagos Airport Hotel
Book stores when I pass through. I have seen some massive history books
on sale on a wide range of issues at MMA2 from all over the world before.

He is a well-spoken historian of repute in Nigeria who I
have heard speak on Channels TV online before.

Incidentally he will be on Channels TV with Lado Akeredolu-Ale
at 9 PM [Nigerian time] today on the program called NEWSNIGHT.
I saw a preview of the program and look forward to watching it
online. Very brilliant man who also speaks extempore or offhand
with facts and figures.

I first came across the reference to Ikedu traditions in 1991 in a
magazine called roots and I shred the scanned copy with just
2 people on NL. If I check my Google Drive later on I can share
that article with you.


There is indeed more to know via archaelogy and radio carbon 14 dating
and also DNA sequencing on the history of the Yoruba people pre- and post
Oduduwa.

Thanks again for the feedback!


P.S. Don't forget to watch Channels at 9AM Nigerian time
for the interview with Prof. Banji Akintoye tonight.

Do you have a soft copy of Prof Akintoye book? If so, kindly send it to sciphya@gmail.com

Thanks.