Harbioye:

Do you do that to everyone who don't share same view as yours?

I don't care about everyone's view.

I care about Allah and rosul and his companions view.

In case you don't know. It's called Al Walah Wal Barah.

And it's aqeedah

Babaheekmat:


I don't care about everyone's view.

You don't care if you're wrong?

I care about Allah and rosul and his companions view.
In case you don't know. It's called Al Walah Wal Barah.
And it's aqeedah

Okay!!!

fortran12:
Allah seems to have laws concerning every issue but he left out punishment for rape.

Stop the lies!


The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr to the woman.

Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.

Al-Muwatta’, 2/734

Shaykh Salmaan al-Baaji (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In the case of a woman who is forced (raped): if she is a free woman, the one who forced her must pay her a “dowry” like that of her peers, and the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i, and it is the view of al-Layth, and it was also narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him).

Abu Haneefah and al-Thawri said: the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him but he is not obliged to pay the “dowry”.

The evidence for what we say is that the hadd punishment and the “dowry” are two rights, one of which is the right of Allaah and the other is the right of the other person. So they may be combined, as in the case of a thief whose hand is cut off and he is required to return the stolen goods. End quote.

Al-Muntaha Sharh al-Muwatta’, 5/268, 269

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help. End quote.

Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146

Secondly:

The rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knife-point or gun-point. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muhaarib, and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter”

[al-Maaidah 5:33]

So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse, and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors.

Babaheekmat:
Whoever listens and follow what this OP says is a ignorant just like alaro

If you are a father based on your moniker, I will say I am. greatly disappointed in you.
Did you read the post at all?
Do you think is Islām is just a blind faith without placing things in their position?

What kind of Muslims do we have?

Rashduct4luv:


Stop the lies!


The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr to the woman.

Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.

Al-Muwatta’, 2/734

Shaykh Salmaan al-Baaji (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In the case of a woman who is forced (raped): if she is a free woman, the one who forced her must pay her a “dowry” like that of her peers, and the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him. This is the view of al-Shaafa’i, and it is the view of al-Layth, and it was also narrated from ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib (may Allaah be pleased with him).

Abu Haneefah and al-Thawri said: the hadd punishment is to be carried out on him but he is not obliged to pay the “dowry”.

The evidence for what we say is that the hadd punishment and the “dowry” are two rights, one of which is the right of Allaah and the other is the right of the other person. So they may be combined, as in the case of a thief whose hand is cut off and he is required to return the stolen goods. End quote.

Al-Muntaha Sharh al-Muwatta’, 5/268, 269

Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The scholars are unanimously agreed that the rapist is to be subjected to the hadd punishment if there is clear evidence against him that he deserves the hadd punishment, or if he admits to that. Otherwise, he is to be punished (i.e., if there is no proof that the hadd punishment for zina may be carried out against him because he does not confess, and there are not four witnesses, then the judge may punish him and stipulate a punishment that will deter him and others like him). There is no punishment for the woman if it is true that he forced her and overpowered her, which may be proven by her screaming and shouting for help. End quote.

Al-Istidhkaar, 7/146

Secondly:

The rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina, even if the rape was not carried out at knife-point or gun-point. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muhaarib, and is to be subjected to the hadd punishment described in the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“The recompense of those who wage war against Allaah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter”

[al-Maaidah 5:33]

So the judge has the choice of the four punishments mentioned in this verse, and may choose whichever he thinks is most suitable to attain the objective, which is to spread peace and security in society, and ward off evildoers and aggressors.

So whn Mohammed raped safiyya after killing her family why was this punishment not meted to him?

Also you quoting hadiths what about Qur'an. Did Allah forget about rape?

Babaheekmat:


Not to insult Muslims or sinners but kufar.

And that's what I have been doing

So Prophet Muhammad in his lifetime never spoke good words to kafirs.

olaztek:

So Prophet Muhammad in his lifetime never spoke good words to kafirs.

Provide us with dalil

Khaleell001:


If you are a father based on your moniker, I will say I am. greatly disappointed in you.
Did you read the post at all?
Do you think is Islām is just a blind faith without placing things in their position?

What kind of Muslims do we have?

It's clear you put philosophy first before anything.. That's where your problem is.

Once you put Quran and hadith first. You would understand

Babaheekmat:
To those of you who this ignorant OP or the kufar as disturbed your mind and scare you with this trash..

Do istikhara before getting married..

That's better

. Subhanallah! Why don't you keep quiet instead of disgracing yourself in public.

Alennsar:

. Subhanallah! Why don't you keep quiet instead of disgracing yourself in public.

Madam or whatever you are..

I don't think you understand what we are discussing here. Read the posts and comment with evidences

fortran12:


So whn Mohammed raped safiyya after killing her family why was this punishment not meted to him?

Also you quoting hadiths what about Qur'an. Did Allah forget about rape?

I know you'll expand the question as soon as your lies is thrashed. Open a thread and tag me. Stop derailing threads with lies.

[quote author=fortran12 post=84465712]Allah seems to have laws concerning every issue but he left out punishment for rape.
There is a punishment for rape,the punishment is death

Rashduct4luv:


I know you'll expand the question as soon as your lies is thrashed. Open a thread and tag me. Stop derailing threads with lies.

Lies from your Muslim books? We have not finished the last discussion, hope u have not run away. No response since yesterday. Pls respond leave me and this person to debate. We will start another after we finish the former one.

Babaheekmat:
The Kafir Alaro has said this nonsense long ago and it was the Kafir Mustapha Rosheed that refuted the errant nonsense (that was when he was on haqq)

You just called someone a Kaafir! What if he's not a kaafir in the sight of Allaah?
The implication is that you'll become a kaafir before you die so says the Prophet. Thread softly.
التكفير فتنة

fortran12:

Lies from your Muslim books? We have not finished the last discussion, hope u have not run away. No response since yesterday. Pls respond leave me and this person to debate. We will start another after we finish the former one.

Open your thread in your section and stop derailing other's thread

Rashduct4luv:


Open your thread in your section and stop derailing other's thread

Let's go back to our discussion. Am still waiting for answers

Babaheekmat:


Madam or whatever you are..

I don't think you understand what we are discussing here. Read the posts and comment with evidences

Are you sure you are not a Boko Haram or ISWAP member with the way you relate with people