I was seaching online on what is happening abroad in ministry when I came across this forum and esp. Sir Johns comments on healing school. My heart wept as I read his posts and his experience in healing school. I am a member of Christ Embassy in SA at the Randburg Church. I have been a member since 2007 up to date. Pastor Chris is indeed my Pastor, Mentor and Teacher. And I thank God to have got the chance to meet him. God is my Father, the Alpha and the Omega.And Christ the Son of God is now alive in me. The Holy Spirit is my guide, standby, my advocate,the one that leads me in my walk and life with God.

I say that to show you that not everyone that worships at Christ Embassy understands the word of God the same. God is still God and he reveals himself to us in different ways. One I want to deal with all SirJohn has postd abt Healing School. I had the opportunity of being a guidian for a close relative that attended the October 2010 Healing School Session in Johannesburg. I was not always there bcz I am working but I did for two weeks drop them off and collected them everyday. What she was there for is imaterial to what I want to explain so I wont go into it. But this is what he narrated to me. Everyday they listen to faith building msg to first instill faith and build up that faith to a piont where they can have the confidence to take God on his word. I think and believe with the rest of CE ministry that this is necessary bcz its not Pastor Chris that heals them rather its their faith that Jesus meant it 100% when he said to the woman with the issue of blood ure faith has made u whole. Its their faith in God that heals pple that attend the healing school. Hence the teachings on faith for two weeks, remem at this point that most of the pple that go have never been taught the word of God and do not knw how to communicate with God and live their lives based on the word. After all Jesus said have faith in God, thats the reason for teachings
2. During these teachings the pple wheal chair bound or on cructhes are taken to see the Pastor for the group they are in so that the Pastor can minister to them directly one on one, they are asked how they are feeling and to demonstrate their faith in the authentic and realiable nature of Gods word by acting on their faith. If it is a person on the wheal chair (or crutches) they must make definate attemps to stand up and take a few steps , bcz Hebr 11:1 Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. Consider the woman with the issue of blood. During her time it was according to the law of Moses unclean and not allowed for a woman who was having their natural period for the month to go outside and mix pple, and this woman was bound to this condition for 14 years and when she heard Jesus was in town, she did something against the Law and went outside and in the mist of multitudes, she said if I just touch the garment of his hem I will be healed. She showed how much she wanted to be healed and acted on her belief by standing up and making her way to Jesus,she put actions to her belief. This is what ppl r taught in healing school and if they do put any action whethr standing up and fallings two minutes later is fine bcz at least they are making definte steps to act on the word of God they have been taught and bliv.
3. During the healing Session with Pastor Chris pple who will be in that session (named healing line) are chosen based on their ability during the past 2 wks to demonstrate that faith in Gods word by taking walking steps big or small. IF they did they are put in the session.
4. During the session the healing anointing is ministered to them and if that anointing connects with a person who is ready to receive forcefully their healing, healing on the Person takes place. Others are healed immediately, those were taking baby steps on wheel chairs and crutches gain strength and start learning to walk faster and better.
5. Others are ministered to and their condition on the outside remains the same, This is inded Sir Johns point. This certainly does not glorify God and so it does not please him.
6. One of the wrong thing that happened I blv is for the pple Sir John asked this not to tell him that even them they do not knw and have an ansewer for him, maybe if they had said that He would still be in ministry. And maybe one of them should hve arranged for him to meet Pastor Chris personally and ask this question. Insteas they defended in error something they dont know and as a result we lost a strong brethren whose eyes and heart are on the word of God.
7.Before I attempt anwering this question can I say that I remember watching one of Pastor Chris DvD where he narrated how one of his daughters fell sick and the doctor said she will never walk again. He said he went home and played the msg's he preached healing on and for several weeks he would pace the floor confessing the word of God and minister healing to the child and she would still not walk. What did he do, read his bible prayed and started confessing the word of God and minister healing to the child and the child would still not walk This continued for several months until one day when Pastor Chris was ministering healing to the child, she stood up and wobbled taking difficult steps and sat down. Day after day Pastor Chris continued to pray,confess Gods word and minister healing to the child until months later the child would get better and better everyday until she could walk again. Till to day when she came to SA during one of the healing session, she visited the Randburg Church during a non service day and bretheren who was staying with that time said when my Pastor in the Randburg Church saw her she called up to her and she came and according to her words "when she was walking the was a little limp evident in her walk showing you she used to be wheel chair bound"
8. I 'll contiue later,

@Vivian

Insteas they defended in error something they dont know and as a result we lost a strong brethren whose eyes and heart are on the word of God.

I hope I'm not among this group that you classified as defending in error, because I told John too that his experience may have been true (probably) but it was his conclusion that was wrong.

2. During these teachings the pple wheal chair bound or on cructhes are taken  to see the Pastor for the group they are in so that the Pastor can minister to them directly one on one, they are asked how they are feeling and to demonstrate their faith in the authentic and

This is what Sirjohn probably saw and claimed that they were never sick. People need to demonstrate their faith physically so as to receive. 

Acts 14:9-10
9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed
10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.  

Many people get healed this way even before pastor chris prays for them. Their faith which had been built through teaching made hem whole.

Its their faith in God that heals pple that attend the healing school. Hence the teachings on faith for two weeks,

That is why it is call healing SCHOOL. And not a PRAYER HOUSE.

@Vivian

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Insteas they defended in error something they dont know and as a result we lost a strong brethren whose eyes and heart are on the word of God.

I hope I'm not among this group that you classified as defending in error, because I told John too that his experience may have been true (probably) but it was his conclusion that was wrong.


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2. During these teachings the pple wheal chair bound or on cructhes are taken to see the Pastor for the group they are in so that the Pastor can minister to them directly one on one, they are asked how they are feeling and to demonstrate their faith in the authentic and

This is what Sirjohn probably saw and claimed that they were never sick. People need to demonstrate their faith physically so as to receive.

Acts 14:9
9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed,

Many people get healed this way even before pastor chris prays for them. Their faith which had been built through teaching made hem whole.


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Its their faith in God that heals pple that attend the healing school. Hence the teachings on faith for two weeks,

That is why it is call healing SCHOOL. And not a PRAYER HOUSE.

The people who responded to him in error I am referring to are the leaders he approached seeking clarity to his experience and he mentioned these leaders to be Zonal Leaders, Deacon and Deaconesses. From his words it does not sound like they explained to him why everything was done the way it was , instead it sounds like the their brushed him off with out listening to him. If that is what happened I apologise on their behalf to him because that is wrong. The bible says says in 2 Tim 2: 14"study to show yourself approved to God a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth"

David after Uzza was struck by God for touching the Ark of God, he was angry and went to search the sriptures to find out why God became so angry with Uzza and struck him dead while they believed he was doing the right thing by carrying the Ark of God to Jerusalem.

The leaders Sir John asked if they did not have answers should have directed him to some one who can anwer him, while they themselves devoted time in studing the word of God to find out why this happens. I bliv had this been done than he would not have felt compelled to expose the processes and procedures of th healing school as mracles bieng staged.

This is not to say everything that happens in Christ Embasy is acceptable according to the word of God. If I was attempting to say that than I would be lying because God himself knows that. My attempt rather is to explain to Sir John and others why things in the Healing School (and Mininstry) are done the way they are based on the word of God (bible). I blv my reason for doing this is becz I knw Pastor Chris the man he (and others who are agreeing with him) is calling all kinds of names though he states that he knws abt this thread he will never take time to address their concerns because to Pastor Chris, such ppe are not a factor to him. Their actions, words, even maybe bombings they will attempt to throw to his face to try and catch his attention do not move him to try and respond to anything anyone says about him. The man has been subjecting his human senses, reflexes to the word of God for over 24 yrs that today there is nothing any human being can do, say and act that will move him. But its possible that someone who is still learning the word of God and the ways of God will be moved by this thread and hence my attempt to try address these concerns noticed and raised by others.

OK,let me continue. Excuse me for my spell erros,its my first time on NL and it happens.
The ministry in Christ Embassy is based on believing that the word of God is realible and can be trusted as the final say in what ever situation in ure life.You believe what God says abt that issue no matter what the opposing evidence. So its safe to say its a ministry that puts its stake and trust on Gods word.Hence the Healing School teaches ppl faith and the word to receive their healing. Why receive bcz af far as God is concerned the bible says by his stripes yea were healed. As a christian wether the evidence is the or not as far as God is concerned we were healed from anythng that can cause harm to ure body, that's why pple are than taught on how to receive their healing bcz many don't knw. Pastor Chris teaches and is taught in healing schgool that the symptoms u see inm ure body r not a confirmation that u r sick bcz he so blvs in What ever the bible says it means exactly that. God does not need us to help him interpret the bible,so it makes more sense to better blv God than ure own mind by trying to interpret what God says.The bible says, By himself he took away our infirmites,they were laid with on the cross.That's why no matter the evidence Pastor Chris has learnt to believe what the Bible says and take God on his word.God is still the same God in the Days of Abraham,Elijah,David,Mishack,Jesus.He is still the same God and hisd word did not change to accomodate our times.That's why u find CE members insisting on the word of God,pacintg the floor up and down insisting that they r healed from infirmities bcz the bible showed them that through the ministry of Jesus Christ when he was on earth.Christianity to CE members is not religion but the life of God in the body of a human being. He that hads the son has life, he that does not hve life.If the spirit of himm that raised up christ from the dead lives in u, that same spirit shall also vitalise ure human body.

Again,excuse my grammat
ical error and understand what I am c
ommunicating.Rememba Past
or Chris is not the one that wrote the bible.All he did is to believe every word that comes from the bible and stake his entire life on that word.He is not cross checking and verifying whether or not when he ministers pple get healed on not.Becz as far as he is concerned Jesus said go yea therefore and preach the gospel.So when he ministers healing to sum1 he is preaching the gospel,Jesus said in John 1

@Vivian ,
I've not had the opportunity to attend a whole healing school session like you did. But as a healing school partner. I had attended 2 in Lagos and one session in S.A. I will like to ask you some personal question about the healing school if you don't mind. I will appreciate if you send your e mail to my box. Joagbaje@yahoo.com thanks

As I was saying Jesus said in John 10:10 "The devil comes to still,kill and destroy b
ut I have come so that u may have life and have it more abundantly.Whe
n he ministers healing he is preaching the g
ospel as he is
ministering life to that person,the same life that Jesus came and brought to the person.These signs shall follow them that blv,
they shall cast out devils,speak in new tongues,and if they drink of any deadly poison it shall not hurt them.These are the signs of christians all around the world that dared themselves to b v

Joagbaje I amm going to forward u my email add over weekend.I stll need to create one for the sole use of NL as ther one I'm using is a bit more personal and a frnd of mine just advised me to discontinue using it lest I fall into a trap on these online sites.His advise came in good time and its gud to always operate with wisdom.Afer all we are diff and should show diff results.
As I was saying Pastor Chris and the other belivers, from christ embassy or not have this healing signs follow us e
verywhere we go because we are in
Christ and he is in us.The b
odies u see talking and speaking speak his word.We hve become one with God.He is in us and we r in him.Jesus said my fathe
r and I are one, so no one can sta
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o-heirs with Christ. Search the scriptures ure self and u will find out that I'm speaking the truth in Gods sight.If there is anything u want to find him guilty of, than condem him on believing Gods word without a shadow of doubt,whether it works on a physical situation or not,he still believes Gods word than the physical situation. That is the case Sir John, forgive me if I spell wrong and Kunle,AKO and many more u can make against
hime.That is what he is guilty of.Therefore I always plead with my bretheren that are in Christ Embassy by telling them that Pastor teaches u to have faith in Gods word and not him (contrary to popular belief expressed here) so if one has a question as to why am I not experiencing total healing or any healing on my situation. Refer that quest to 2 ppl, your main Pastor who is Pastor Chris and God bcz its Pastor that teaches u the word and to blv in it and have faith in Gods word and its God that made u to partake in christianity,in his life and if u seek him with a sincere heart wanting to find out why a situation is the way it is he will reveal it to u thru the scriptures bcz he has seen ure heart and knws what is worrying u. He is God and not a man and he is not a man that he might lie or change his mind abt anything.That does not mean I will not attempt to answer the ques aked and fought over by Sir John and others abt healings not taking place and made to blv they did on canmera or publication. But I blv its NB to first have background of what it means to be a christian from the bible ministred to CE members by Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.
Fisrt let me do house chores and I will continue to shed ligt to this phenominon.
Agape

Is it really expedient you guys market Ooyakilome to this extent? Where is the Risen Christ in all the drivel and tripe above. Who exactly do you thinks gives a hoot if any man is understood or not? Is Christianity about ur pastor? Suppose he falls and dies right now, do you think that will change the price of fish in the market?

This is pitiful, ill-advised and truly embarrassing.

Hhhhe, the devil is a lie. My last post looks like a 2 year old was practising writing.But I will not stop till I bring forth light in this darkness dicussed herein about Christ Embassy and Pastor Chris.The truth needs to be separated from speculation, lies and misguidance.Some peole at the CE healing school are ministered to but do not receive their healing ang go back home the same way they came and a lot of them go back the same way they came, this statement is true and God in heaven knws so. I am here to separate the truth frm specualation and lies if I am in error by doing so pls feel free to correct me from scripture.Most people go back the same way and it hurts everyone to see this happen CEC workers/stuff and members at large bcz God is always wanting to prove to us we can trust his word and him in any circumstances. I blv every1 that comes to the healing school has faith,even if its small but they hve faith that God will heal them.This is what they even say in the video recordings showing them at their first time they came to HS and why they came. They believe God is going to heal them through being ministered by Pastor Chris.You hve heard me say in my earlier post that its not Pastor Chris that heals them rather they r taught that according to the word of God they r healed already.You understand this by God showing u in scripture what does he means by this and that's why they r taught scriptures in HS.To understand Jesus Christ and what it means to a believer that God sent Jesus Christ to die in our place and he was obedient to that call upon his life even unto death,dying for us and taking our place.Taking our place on the cross,our sins,illness,imfirmity,death,failure,diseases,poverty.All our iniquities were layed down with him that day and him who knew nosin was made sin.At this point I must speak in tongues the spirit just overhelms me when I meditate on this, madibrodaski libradaska Ziyandabradaska.Thank u Lord Jesus,where would we be if it was not for him,probably lost somewhere but God loves us to much to watch us perish in our sins.So pple are taught this and if their eyes of their understanding can take this as a fact not tale.Sickness leaps out of them,it just has to. Not when u understand that the person that came to healing school looking to be healed is dead, that person died when christ died. When u r born again and born of the word of God. Nw that u r born again, u r a new creation,Christ dwells in ure humanly body,talks through ure body and act in ure body.2 Corin 5:17 "if any be in Christ he is a new creation,old things are passed away,behold all things become new" If a person spirit opens up to understand the life God has given them as christian than when the healing session comes they r overwhelmed by Gods love for them and their faith in what has done in their lives already heals them. Some even get healed before the healing session as they realise what Christ did for them and accept it as the truth and fact. Few pple that attend the HS get to a ponit where they understand this and becomes their reality,fact abt life,reasoning. Most pple r of the belief Pastor will cum and will command healing to take place right now in their body and as he comes they r waiting for their moment of miracle. Pastor Chris,I said it earlier does not heal anyone. Its their faith in Gods word,that God and his word r one that heals them,thy faith has made thee whole.Their moment of miracle comes and passes and no healing becz it was going to be Pastor Chris anyway that will heal them but their faith in God.And many than pack their bags and head home with their same ailnment they came with.And it makes everyone's heart sad,at least mine is bcz I can understand their need.Thus their r given books and asked to buy them that teach them at their homes how to receive healing and keep it.Others without as much faith as maybe the one next them r healed instatenously,why? Bcz its not Pastor Chris healing anyone but the Spirit of God choosing how and when to operate.Pastor Chris's role in the ministry of healing is to be faithful in that ministry and carrying out that ministry.He also needs to remain yielded to holy spirit(anointing) when ministering healing so that the Spirit of God can be at liberty to touch whom it so pleases in the way it sees fit without the persona's personal view point and thoughts out weighing the Spirit of God.
Joagbaje, I beseach u to cum back to me and say if from ure view point I hve been able to address Sir Johns concerns, Kunle,AKO, and many more I can't remember. And for them to personally come back to me if they feel I fell short in addressing their concerns regarding CE Healing School.

Vivian. SA:

One I want to deal with all SirJohn has postd abt Healing School. I had the opportunity of being a guidian for a close relative that attended the October 2010 Healing School Session in Johannesburg. I was not always there bcz I am working but I did for two weeks drop them off and collected them everyday.

@Vivian. SA
Unlike you, I was there for four weeks and participated FULLY in two sessions as a guardian so I believe my account has some credibility

Vivian. SA:

What she was there for is imaterial to what I want to explain so I wont go into it.

it would only be fair to this topic if you can tell us what took her to the Healing school and what happened afterwards

Vivian. SA:

But this is what he narrated to me. Everyday they listen to faith building msg to first instill faith and build up that faith to a piont where they can have the confidence to take God on his word. I think and believe with the rest of CE ministry that this is necessary bcz its not Pastor Chris that heals them rather its their faith that Jesus meant it 100% when he said to the woman with the issue of blood ure faith has made u whole. Its their faith in God that heals pple that attend the healing school. Hence the teachings on faith for two weeks, remem at this point that most of the pple that go have never been taught the word of God and do not knw how to communicate with God and live their lives based on the word. After all Jesus said have faith in God, thats the reason for teachings
2. During these teachings the pple wheal chair bound or on cructhes are taken  to see the Pastor for the group they are in so that the Pastor can minister to them directly one on one, they are asked how they are feeling and to demonstrate their faith in the authentic and realiable nature of Gods word by acting on their faith. If it is a person on the wheal chair (or crutches) they must make definate attemps to stand up and take a few steps ,

All the above statements in bold are true and were included in my initial post but one thing is missing: Did your relation tell you that while they were being ministered to one on one, there was a staff with a small camcorder recording the whole thing? (she will only observe this if she was part of those ministered to this way)

Vivian. SA:

3. During the healing Session with Pastor Chris pple who will be in that session (named healing line)  are chosen based on their ability during the past 2 wks to demonstrate that faith in Gods word by taking walking steps big or small. IF they did they are put in the session.

Now this is what they would have you believe but its a LIE. people with real/sever cases of disability NEVER make it to that healing line.

Vivian. SA:

4. During the session the healing anointing is ministered to them and if that anointing connects with a person who is ready to receive forcefully  their healing, healing on the Person takes place. Others are healed immediately, those were taking baby steps on wheel chairs and crutches gain strength and start learning to walk faster and better.
5. Others are ministered to and their condition on the outside remains the same, This is inded Sir Johns point. This certainly does not glorify God and so it  does not please him.
6. One of the wrong thing that happened I blv is for the pple Sir John asked this not to tell him that even them they do not knw and have an ansewer for him, maybe if they had said that He would still be in ministry. And maybe one of them should hve arranged for him to meet Pastor Chris personally and ask this question. Insteas they defended in error something they dont know and as a result we lost a strong brethren whose eyes and heart are on the word of God.

They didn't have an answer because they were completely oblivious of what was going on there only a very selected few in the ministry understands this grand scam. I have been privileged to meet with one.

Joagbaje:

This is what Sirjohn probably saw and claimed that they were never sick. People need to demonstrate their faith physically so as to receive. 

Joagbaje, I never said these people were never sick what I have been stressing for over two years is that there is a lot of misrepresentation going on in the healing school with the intent to deceive people. heres an example:

someone comes to the healing school with diabetes or arthritis or lung cancer for instance and when they came, they came without wheelchairs and spent two weeks without one. Now they stay for two weeks and then on the healing day they are put in wheelchairs to be prayed for while those who came completely disabled and on wheelchairs never get to be ministered to, what do you call that??

@Nuclearboy.

Marketing Pastor Chris Oyakhilome?
How? And why would I do that?

Christianity is abt God, Christ and the Holy Spirit.

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is the man you have joined voices in calling him names from fruad,crook
And he kept quiet even when he knw what is happening in here (according to Sir John)
Do u blame him when man like u r so fast to
join the band wagon of c
alling him names.No wonder he prefers not to waist his time with media bcz these r always pple who want to catch him out and expose to the world.Not understanding that they can't catch him out on anything bcz he is not the one healing pple but God is so before anyone can catch him out and publish an expose with the hope it will him reveal the truth such pple first need to catch God out on his promises and expose him first bcz he is the that is healing pple not Pastor Chris.

Jesus commened every christian to go out into the world and preach the gospel,that is what CE members r doing be it by ministering healing,ministering the word of God.I might do it here in this forum or at my house,at the coffee shop,at the mall, where ever it does not matter. Bcz I am ministering the word of God and this is what u call marketing Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.Is it bcz the world has evolved today and the are words such as marketing,if that is what we r doing by preaching the gospel than it is safe to say if Jesus was still in earth today he would commend us in ure words "go out the into the world and market the gospel".If that is what we r doing than we r fullfilling what christians hve been called to do.
Christianity is definately not abt Pastor Chris Oyakhilome but about God,Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and that is what we tell people when we minister to them.Christainity can never be abt Pastor Chris Oyakhilome,never.
If we sound like we stop at nothing to defend and explain him to you and many others is bcz we r explaining to you a labourer of God, and we r labourers together with him in preaching the gospel and reaching out to many who don't know Jesusu Christ and if we are fools in doing so we are fools of God.
The person we talk about is Jesus Christ, and who else should we rather talk about.Who else is worthy of us to go out and talk about.

No,we cannot stop until. We will continue until Jesus comes back to earth, he will find us out in many nations talking about him, ministering healing to millions,casting out devils,singing songs of praise and hyms to him, while many will still lashing out on our works.Calling us all different sorts of names but u knw what we don't mind bcz Jesus Christ asked all christians to preach the gospel and we and other christians around the world said "yes master,we will"

So oyakhilome knows about Nairaland, I thought as much. I even still feel that Joagbaje was sent specifically to deal with all matters oyakhilome on NL.

Vivian. SA:


I blv my reason for doing this is becz I knw Pastor Chris the man he (and others who are agreeing with him) is calling all kinds of name[b]s though he states that he knws abt this thread he will never take time to address their concerns because to Pastor Chris, such ppe are not a factor to him[/b]. Their actions, words, even maybe bombings they will attempt to throw to his face to try and catch his attention do not move him to try and respond to anything anyone says about him. The man has been subjecting his human senses, reflexes to the word of God for over 24 yrs that today there is nothing any human being can do, say and act that will move him. But its possible that someone who is still learning the word of God and the ways of God will be moved by this thread and hence my attempt to try address these concerns noticed and raised by others.

Here at Christ Embassy we minister the gospel of Jesus to the nations of the earth
Pastor Chris is a man that has made himself available unto God as a vehicle to be used
We have learnt from him and have being taught the word of God by him
The only reason people hear so much about him is because of the lives he is affecting for Jesus and the mighty sons he has raised
Jesus still remains the greatest and the Lord of all

@Vivian,
Do you use blackberry to make post?

Vivian. SA:

@Nuclearboy.
Jesus commened every christian to go out into the world and preach the gospel,that is what CE members r doing be it by ministering healing,ministering the word of God.I might do it here in this forum or at my house,at the coffee shop,at the mall, where ever it does not matter. Bcz I am ministering the word of God and this is what u call marketing Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.Is it bcz the world has evolved today and the are words such as marketing,if that is what we r doing by preaching the gospel than it is safe to say if Jesus was still in earth today he would commend us in ure words "go out the into the world and market the gospel".If that is what we r doing than we r fullfilling what christians hve been called to do.

That is all well and good. The problem is that, from what we can see on this forum (including your posts) and elsewhere, Christ Embassy's doctrine subverts the teachings of Jesus Christ and of the apostles ------ on this particular issue, it does so in a very very subtle manner (on other occasions, not so subtle). The subtle subversion here is that many CE members see "marketing" their "church" and their "pastor Chris" as "preaching the gospel". In other words, they do not know the difference between preaching the gospel and marketing a man and his business.

Try reflecting on some of the following:

2 Cor 2:17  

For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.

or NIV

Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.

2 Peter 2:3

And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

I am comtemplating being a partner with healing school soon. But  I really need to know what happens there.

The huge money partners pay, what do they use if for at healing school?
Do anybody admitted at the healing school still need to pay any fee(maybe for registration or feeding)?
Is there any gift or aid in form of money or materials giving to healing school participant when leaving the healing school?

all these and other thing will I need to know

@Joagbaje:
Yes I am using blackberry to post my comments.Why do u ask? Is it that obvious.
That's why on my previous post the BB went haywhy on me and wrote words on top of each other instead of writing words in a sentence but that is not the end of the world.

Pastor AIO:

So oyakhilome knows about Nairaland,

He doesn't have time for all these, I think Vivian is talking her own. Pastor chris, will never call anybody by name to start with. He may say things like . "I don't have time for critics"  but to mention a website by name or a thread. It not in his gentleman nature. If he were aware of NL or sir johns thread , he would rather have been concerned to find out the problem. I even wish I have a way of passing the issue to him. But a man that is too busy reaching. The world , even if i mailed it to him, will he have time to read such.

@Vivian

 though he states that he knws abt this thread he will never take time to address their concerns because to Pastor Chris, such ppe are not a factor

Come and explain yourself. Where did you hear this?

@PASTOR AIO

I thought as much.  I even still feel that Joagbaje was sent specifically to deal with all matters oyakhilome on NL.

Verry funny. That would have been a great honour and recognition for me   but you know it's not true. If the ministry knows about NL officially and they are concerned. They have the machinery and fire power to overrun this place. With thousands of people . You will not even see space. Didn't you hear how we crashed Twitter website with over 3million followers in 2months? They had to call us for negotiation and cut some followers.

I would have loved some official response to sir johns case. So if I'm sent , I should have official answers. I wasn't happy at the way Sirjohn was handled By certain people he spoke to. They shattered the guys faith by lack of sensitivity.

Vivian. SA:

@Joagbaje:
Yes I am using blackberry to post my comments.Why do u ask? Is it that obvious.
That's why on my previous post the BB went haywhy on me and wrote words on top of each other instead of writing words in a sentence but that is not the end of the world.

Verily verily I say unto you, it's obvious and not advisable. .

Pls send your number to my box.

@Joagbaje
You r now the 2nd person to warn me abt this site. I have been asked to leave this site bcz of obvious reasons.And I choose to take heed of such warnings and leave this matter where it is.God in heaven will now take this matter foward,after all he is God.
But to answer the question abt partnering with healing school. Students(or people ) that attend healing school do not pay for registration or attending the healing school. That is financed by the Healing School partners. They bring their own lunch during the 2 weeks there bcz there is a lunch break where they can go out and have lunch. Their usage of toilet facilites,electricity the whole day,property rates of the premises r financed by the Healing School partners.I think if u want to partner with the healing school, first study the word of God,pray about it and ask God to show u from his word if he asked his children to partner with him in taking the gospel to the ends of the world. The reason I advise that is bcz first thing any person that partners with the Healing School needs to understand that they are partnering with God in preaching the gospel. So even if tomorrow u might hear someone used the funds for personal gain, the person who partnered cannot take this grievance out against the church or the main Pastor of the church bcz the person entered into an agreement with God and his the right person to take ure grievances to. That is not to say the church must use the funds for individual gain,they have a go ahead to do so bcz ure grievance is with God and not them.No, if they understood their calling very well,respected it,feared God and submitted themselves to the holy spirit and the call over their lives than they would not have used the funds in such a manner in the first place.But God has not called the partner to now take upon themselves to unleash their anger towards the people who might use the funds in personal gain. God saw the person who would have done such an act, and remember he might not be quick to act and slow to anger but he sees everything that is done.And when that person thaught I have not been caught out,I am still fine,close call. He will lookn and find that person and by the time he is done dealing with such person many will not even recognise that this is the same person they respected.His or her shame will not be able to be hid from any one,even children will hear stories of how this person used to be a grea person in this and that before they defrauded God. God is still the same God that u knw talked about from the days of Abraham,Isaac,Moses,Jesus Christ. He has not changed to favour fraud from any one of any kind. What has changed is our ignorance to the scriptures has been lifted bit by bit till we got know him personally in our own individuals lives.

@Joagbaje: abt Pastor Chris resp
onse to Newspapers,Magazines,etc that write stories to criticise his ministry. There is a thread here on NL about an interview a journalist abt him and TB Joshua. To paraphrase his response in that interview is that while Newspapers,Magazines and Journalists at large go out there writing stories about him that he himself never sat down with anyone and told these stories. As they are busy doing this he on the side pays no attention to it. Such people and stories are not a factor to him bcz these r stories not told by him but they are stories about him. While the journalists and everyone else is determined to find faults and criticise him, he on the other hand continues with his call to preach the gospel and reach millions of lives with the gospel.
If I misquated him on my earlier post this is what I meant to express.

Lastly, I have tried to explain to Sir John  and others the healing ministry Pastor Chris ministeres to people but I don't think I have covered Sir Johns statement of HS misrepresenting the sicknesses the students(or people) have when Pastor Chris ministers to them.His statement that pple with cancer/asthma/diabetes who can walk without aid or support are put on strechers and wheel chairs and during the healing session leap out walking and runnning as if this is the reason they came to HS, which is to walk again. Such a statement buffles my own mind and troubles my spirit. Which is why I took time out to explain to him and everyone else how the healing ministry that Pastor Chris has entrusted witn by God works.From his last statement I find out that his reservations are not on his healing ministry but the misrepresentation people and with their sicknesses.This statement I will make sure I find ways of directing it to Pastor Chris himself to shed light to me and once that is done I will pass that explanation to Sir John and everyone else in this Forum.I also would like to knw the answers to this statement simply for the one reason that matter is serious because and if this is indeed what happens this practise has devastating consequences on the people that attend the HS and such a practise jupordises their health.For this reason I need to find out from my Pastor himself what this statement means. And to think Sir John has been advocating this statement since since 2008 and I picked this up only latr 2010.

I will return with answers whether good or bad report,I will stop at nothing till I have a report. It might take, maybe weeks, months but I will be back with the report.If you guys had been on this since 2008 a few more months to wait further so that I can get a proper report is not too bad of a wait.

For now bye to all.

Vivian. SA:

Lastly, I have tried to explain to Sir John  and others the healing ministry Pastor Chris ministeres to people but I don't think I have covered Sir Johns statement of HS misrepresenting the sicknesses the students(or people) have when Pastor Chris ministers to them.His statement that pple with cancer/asthma/diabetes who can walk without aid or support are put on strechers and wheel chairs and during the healing session leap out walking and runnning as if this is the reason they came to HS, which is to walk again. Such a statement buffles my own mind and troubles my spirit. Which is why I took time out to explain to him and everyone else how the healing ministry that Pastor Chris has entrusted witn by God works.From his last statement I find out that his reservations are not on his healing ministry but the misrepresentation people and with their sicknesses.This statement I will make sure I find ways of directing it to Pastor Chris himself to shed light to me and once that is done I will pass that explanation to Sir John and everyone else in this Forum.I also would like to knw the answers to this statement simply for the one reason that matter is serious because and if this is indeed what happens this practise has devastating consequences on the people that attend the HS and such a practise jupordises their health.For this reason I need to find out from my Pastor himself what this statement means. And to think Sir John has been advocating this statement since since 2008 and I picked this up only latr 2010.

I will return with answers whether good or bad report,I will stop at nothing till I have a report. It might take, maybe weeks, months but I will be back with the report.If you guys had been on this since 2008 a few more months to wait further so that I can get a proper report is not too bad of a wait.

For now bye to all.  

I love your objectiveness Vivian. SA, may I have your email?

Funny PR

you guys just keep ridiculing yourselves, chris embassy and chris oyakilome.

Now your claim is firepower to overrun this site - likely painful to Seun Osewa but will not change the price of fish in the market, don't you know? BTW, why not apply that firepower to handling the embarrassment of EFCC hunting that master of yours.

i saw this and i had to laugh . . . utterly ridiculous nonsense.

Vivian. SA:

Taking our place on the cross,our sins,illness,imfirmity,death,failure,diseases,poverty.All our iniquities were layed down with him that day and him who knew nosin was made sin.[size=13pt]At this point I must speak in tongues the spirit just overhelms me when I meditate on this, madibrodaski libradaska Ziyandabradaska.[/size]Thank u Lord Jesus,where would we be if it was not for him,probably lost somewhere but God loves us to much to watch us perish in our sins.So pple are taught this and if their eyes of their understanding can take this as a fact not tale.Sickness leaps out of them,it just has to. Not when u understand that the person that came to healing school looking to be healed is dead, that person died when christ died.

What is the meaning of that? Do any of you really UNDERSTAND the purpose of "speaking in tongues"? Hmmm read the first time it was ever used in Acts, it wasnt to pray in some hopeless tongue, confuse the people or sound spiritually superior . . . it was so the jews from other countries gathering in Jerusalem during pentecost could have the gospel preached to them in their foreign tongues!

^^^
Exactly.

Vivian, if you truly desire God and know that you're a sinner (for all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory)  who's worthy of God's judgement, whose righteous  works are as filth in God's eyes,

You would realise that the whole essence of the cross of Christ was to save Man from his sinful nature, in spite of physical illnesses or material lack.

Sickness or no sickness, poverty or no poverty, we would all die one day to stand before the Lord of glory and all those who have ridiculed and perverted the message of the gospel would answer to Christ, when He returns.

I would rather be physically sick and cast my healing on the will and mercies of God than demand perfect health in a vile and so often, arrogant manner.

What's with you guys and perfect health? Or material prosperity? Ehn? Will you live forever on earth? Wont we all die one day? Wont your flesh rot in the ground? Would you take one penny out of this world?

What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world (money, cars, perfect health) and loses his soul? Nothing.

@nuclearboy

nuclearboy:

you guys just keep ridiculing yourselves, chris embassy and chris oyakilome.

Now your claim is firepower to overrun this site - likely painful to Seun Osewa but will not change the price of fish in the market, don't you know? BTW, why not apply that firepower to handling the embarrassment of EFCC hunting that master of yours.

Embarrased? Thats childsplay Part 10. There's no EFCC case to answer. You know it's your comrades that are behind such matters. You can see the bias of the junk story. It's you guys that are gullible for such things. We don't feel embarrassed. Was Jesus embarrassed that he was called dupe? No.
It's part of Christian persecution . We enjoy it. They only make us thougher. This gospel must be preached to the ends of the earth  Either satan likes it or not.

@Vivian S.A

Vivian. SA:

@Joagbaje
You r now the 2nd person to warn me abt this site. I have been asked to leave this site bcz of obvious reasons.And I choose to take heed of such warnings and leave this matter where it is.God in heaven will now take this matter foward,after all he is God.

I wasn't warning you about the site, I only cautioned you about using blackberry, maybe you misunderstood me.

Joagbaje:

Verily verily I say unto you, it's obvious and not advisable. .

This is what I said , making reference to your blackberry use. That it's not advisable

Below is what happens when supposedly sane people start thinking like the raving loony that started this thread

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Vivian. SA:
At this point I must speak in tongues the spirit just overhelms me when I meditate on this, madibrodaski libradaska Ziyandabradaska.

@Jo:

Time will either clear or damn your master. Either way, prices won't change anywhere- he's insignificant

In the interim, go answer Jesoul's questions. Abi your evasiveness is becoming too glaring even to you and you wish to play the Ostrich?