Subduer:
Christ Jesus GIVES PEACE to any mankind that hunger and thirst after RIGHTEOUSNESS.

AntiChristian:


But the same Jesus killed two evil people and spared two evil people. Where is the Justice and fairness?

1StopRudeness:


Jesus killed two people?? How??

Vulcanheph:
Are You talking about stories in the Bible that preachers don't talk about or stories that were removed from the Bible due to one reason or another.

AntiChristian:


1. But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death.

2. But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

1StopRudeness:


Ohhhhhh that’s what u meant....

U know what I think...the Old Testament folks attributed all things to God..weda Good, bad, ugly or any other....their understanding of life was shallow...u need to also understand that bible accounts were recorded from writers perspective and vantage points so it makes it look like it’s one sided...
that’s why it looks like the description of God in the Bible is a God of the Israelites destroying other nations (enemy) for them.
Where as the isrealites also lost many times after but the accounts weren’t given from the angle of the enemy as God being on their side when they won.....so it’s a vantage point description

AntiChristian:


Can you support your opinion with a Bible verse? If not keep mute and let's agree Jesus killed them.

1StopRudeness:


It’s all over the Bible...

so many people were not killed by God in the Bible for being evil so God couldn’t have just killed the dude...look...I know u are an atheist and u always wanna look for some way to diss the Bible...but it doesn’t mean u shouldn’t be objective within the context of the Bible as well.

AntiChristian:


Still in the Bible, not discussed and can't be read to kids.

peggywebbs:
@antichristian, please what is your Gospel? That God is bad or Jesus is bad? However, it means you have already admitted his existence which is a good thing.

When you read your bible ask God for wisdom and why do I say so?. Writers of old do not speak the way we understand literally. When you hear a story, always remember that these things happened in real life. When they say someone died because he was evil, you should very well know that evil people are not associated with one heinous act. They continue to do wicked and to those around them. The wages of sin is death.

You can't kill, steal, rape, or commit other wicked form of attrocities and expect to go free. There will be one single act that will finally judge a wicked person. That's where the idea of everyday for the thief one day for the owner.

When you read Shakespeare's sonnets or some ancient writings, it takes a lot of wisdom to decipher the meaning.


God does not kill neither does Jesus. However, there is a law of karma, when you do evil, it will come back to you. Now the question you should ask is who were the children of Judah, what was their character on earth, what made the children evil?

As a logical person, you would know that the second brother who brought out his semen not to get the woman pregnant, hated her. He could not bare to have children with her. He could have set the woman free for her to go her way but chose to suffer her to be childless. In real life, if a man hates the woman he's made marry, he would maltreat her, beat her and her treat her badly but because you chose the limit your mind to a few lines of the bible, you never asked for wisdom....."he knew the child would never be his" simply meaning that he despised her.


Before you keep going about preaching false doctrine on people's religion, please ask questions when you don't understand.

AntiChristian:


OK, How did this happen?

Good, now you ask. How did God put him to death? There is no account of how he died in the bible, but that verse talks about what the writer knew of the incident or story. It was believed that his death was a punishment from God because he did without leaving an heir

So you mean this verse below is a lie?

No it was not a lie but it goes to show you that the story is about the history of the people of Judah. The culture then was that a man's legacy was his children. When Er died, his brother was asked to marry is wife as it was their custom. Now you see that the whole chapter you read was concerning the tradition and culture of those people.

1. But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death. Gen 38 vs 7

2. But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death

Again, it means Onan died childless. In his bid not to give Tamar children for his brother, he ended up without children before his death. The writer believes he was punished and again based on their culture and believe

also. Gen 38 vs 10

peggywebbs:
The bible is a collection of books and not just one giant book. There are many authors of ancient books in religion. The Catholic compiled the ones that was relevant while you will find another version that has some extra books.

Still there still so many other writings from people of those times just as we have writers today. People have written books about what is happening in our society today and the future generation will still make references to them.


When you hear some bad stories in the bible, it is enough conviction that Christianity has nothing to hide. The history of man is written undiluted and in its purest form. The bible was not compiled to make readers fall in love with the religion but to know the truth.


The old testament contains history, stories, parables, prayers, testimonies and prophecies. Not every story is meant to leave a lesson but rather they are meant for you to know the history of the people of that time.

We too are living our own story. There are a lot of stories that are very similar to what is happening today in our society and they make our history.

Believing in God means that we understand that we were created to enjoy the earth and for that we are grateful to God.

However, what we make of our lives is entirely up to us. The bible is a moral guide for us to know more about those before us and to know the things of God. Whether you are an aethiest, Christian, Muslim or pagan worshipper, it doesn't change the fact that our history can be traced from the first man.

AntiChristian:


What lessons can you derived from this passage of Genesis 38 bearing in mind that
2Tim.3 Verses 16 says


Now you quote a new testament verse for an old testament book. Like I said, the book of Genesis and the other books in the old testament talks about the account of man's history, from the first man to the sons of Abraham. Genesis 38 talks about the history of Judah who was one of the 12 sons of Jacob.

History has no lesson, it is a story that comprises of the good, bad and ugly. You can either accept the truth or keep looking for reasons to avoid seeing the obvious. You can lift up uncomfortable parts of the bible, but you will only show how much you lack wisdom in understanding what history is about.

Is there anything you have learnt from Africa's history, just like we have the wars, independence, military takeovers in our time. The people of old also faced this issues. The writers of these books were like our vanguard today, telling account of incidents that they witnessed in their time.

I don't know what lesson you are looking for in a history of a tribe but God help you.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

AntiChristian:


The old testament can't be evil because it also contains prayers. If you call the old testament evil, then you refer to the history of Nigeria and all the countries around the world as evil.

There are the good, bad and ugly. Everyone's act will be recorded on earth. Nothing we do is hidden and that is what the old testament tells us.

The old testament is a compilation of books by different authors..what is your concept of evil? Do you expect the writer to lie about the occurrences that happened thousands of years ago



Go straight to the point. Just say the OT is evil and is not a scripture but a history book!

AntiChristian:


And yet again another insinuation about God. Where did you see it in the bible that God was ok with the actions of the daughters of lot. That story only made it clear that even when Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin, man still continued to sin.

Obviously you will blame God for the father that raped his daughter, or for the Thief that killed, or the kidnapping everyday.

God does not pull the trigger, man does. It was so in the days of old and is still the same. Did God whisper in the ears of Lot's daughters. You keep talking about the history of the Israelites. If you concentrate less on hating God and focus more on the history of this people, you might actually see how everyone on earth is connected right from the first man. All you read in the old testament was a generation tree that grew up to the kings of Israel.


From the OT, the Lord is shortsighted! He saved Lot and his daughters from homosexuals only for them to be blessed in incest!
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Abeg! Throway that book!

AntiChristian:


OK, How did this happen?

So you mean this verse below is a lie?

1. But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death. Gen 38 vs 7

2. But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. Gen 38 vs 10

joytothewise:


lol Muslim will never seize to amaze me... you will attribute most things to christians and still fight Christians lol you talking about David's offspring and na Jesus kill them lol... abeg abeg make I laugh my laugh oo. You should attribute Jesus killing to his era na now david's!!

AntiChristian:


Sorry! It was my mistake. I took Jesus to be Lord. I forgot he is not Lord! My bad.

joytothewise:


Do you even taste your words?? Proof the killings and the wicked act to all those that gave report in Jesus era... atleast you knew what Mohammed did in his time?? How he never stopped killing, raping, telling you to kill people who doesn't accept Islam !! Those are facts!! So why confusing yourself following a pure evil man as a spiritual leader!! You guys will even fight for and defend God it is in the blood

AntiChristian:


You mean Muhammad too did this below?

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God. So once again Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

There is no excuse here! None! He was not forgiving and merciful at all.
Keep virgins alive for yourself is similar to what BH is doing with Chibok girls and other girls they kidnapped.

joytothewise:


Dude who you dey tackle gan gan?? Moses do you bad?? Se na Jesus abi the Bible or christians?? Come to Jesus era and mention his killing gbam you go copy epistles

Calm bro stop boiling!!! You don't have a point...

What!!!! Are bokoharam Christians now ... bro abeg taste your words

AntiChristian:


Na your Lord command Moses to dey kill na! Boko Haram people!