No use bringing it back just tell ur children or grandchildren to check back 10 years time,it's either dey were not maintained or left to are to eat

jerryunit48:
They will never do that , instead they will fight for Brexit so that they will be free from EU then they can continue to exploit Africa and Asia to take care of their Queen

shut up u know nothing did dey tell Africa not to develop didn't British colonize America

At least a lot of those stolen items are on display in a museum and open to the public. If they weren't taken, they'd be melted down, in an oga's house or lost. Don't fool yourselves.

anonimi:


The Ogas who are hailed and protected by the waiting-their-turn-to-loot masses?

Nigeria is so messy!!

jerryunit48:
They will never do that , instead they will fight for Brexit so that they will be free from EU then they can continue to exploit Africa and Asia to take care of their Queen

Keep quiet the politicians that are 'governing' Nigeria are exploiting you worse than ever. From the onset the so called obas sold us off to the Americans and British as slaves. We Africans are worse. Because his grandfather stole you self how we dey sure say you never thief.

I’m shocked it’s only three generations since the infamous raid. This is a good gesture which I normally would support at the beginning of the year. On hearing the recent Oba say “leaving these artifacts untouched will show the world the creativity of Edo people.” I now support them remaining in foreign soil.

Edit: I am impressed with the view count.

AreaFada2:


Those who do not value their culture enough might lose them but not in Benin. Those items that were hidden during the war and those in locations the British didn't know are still available today. I know that firsthand.

You spelt Bini as Benin s culture not already tampered wit like that

Abagworo:


Is chicken also known as "Okukor" in Bini?

It is called "Okhokho" in Benin. This how the British corrupted most of our indigenous pronunciation that we can't correct till date.

Abagworo:


Is chicken also known as "Okukor" in Bini?

Almost yes Edo share similar with Igbo in language because onitsha where migrants from Edo land.
Similarities
Edo call chicken okhokho
Igbo call chicken Okuko
Edo call farm ugbo
Igbo call farm ugbo
Edo call dog Ekita
Igbo call dog Nkita
Edo greet dooo
Igbo greet ndooo
Edo call their king oba
Igbo call their king obi

carterguccy:
Won’t it be better off there?? We have maintenance and continuity problem here in African as a whole. Keep them there and 100years from now it’s all gonna be fine like it is now But Return it to Niaja and come back after just 6months spits

it's better it's returned back to the palace, even older items can still be found in the palace still?

anonimi:


Do you call the Obas of Bini con men because they similarly (or even worse) exploited those they colonised in their kingdom before the Brits whittled down their power?
Reason am well o.
Why should we remain weak in thinking and mental exertions? Is that our portion or how?

Listen, you are an inferiority complex stricken coon. Go and read history and educate yourself. Littering this thread with racist cartoon illustrations will not help your cause. Unless you have 2 Caucasian parents, the white race will never see you as one of them so go ahead and keep azz kissing the white man's behind and licking his pink sweaty balls so you can score brownie points. This is why I generally keep Nigerians at Bay. Many of you reason like inferiority complex stricken idiots which is what many of you are.

cbrass:

You spelt Bini as Benin s culture not already tampered wit like that

Nothing like Bini. It's Benin.

In fact by 15th century it was already known as Edo. As renamed from Igodomigodo by Ewuare I. It's creation of Edo state recently that now makes it more necessary to use Benin for sake of Esan, Owan, Igbanke and others who are also Edo State people.

Till now, you are "Ovbiedo" as a Benin person Not "Ovbiebini".

Beny was Portuguese from Ile Ubini writing it in 1478. The British wrote it in 1553 as Benin when they came later. It was Itsekhiri who told them at the coast upon landing that the power king inland ruling over the whole area is Oba of Ile Ubini, Beny, Bini or Benin never was our cup of tea really.

Ile Ubini was never popular among Edo people. By 1440 Oba Ewuare I had abolished Ile Ubini totally as another name. But just like Nigeria as name of our country, we didn't chose Benin. Either way we just took the British version as Benin. But Ovbiedo (Ivbiedo as plural) is what we are first and foremost.

People feel the need to make it look or sound more of vernacular by writing Bini. Even many Benin people are guilty of this. Despite correction from the palace over many years.

Benin/Edo people called Lagos Eko as a military camp. Portuguese later called it Lagos because of the lagoon. The British records even show Eleko Dosunmu as DOCEMO. So most parts of 9ja have had names tampered with. But enduring inherent culture is not at all about an additional name given by invaders.

Yoighaman:
Nice gesture by the grandson but on another note... sometimes, the whole slavery thing gets me thinking, what we percieve as tribulation might actually be a blessing in disguise, only time can tell; the descendants of our people that were taken away as slaves would forever be grateful to the colonial masters, Obama, Beyonce, Jay Z and the likes wouldn't see slave trade the way we see it. To us, it was a CURSE but to them, it was a GIFT. Never undermine whatever you are going through today, it just might be for the benefit of your generations unborn.

LET US PERCEIVE YOUR INTELLIGENCE A LITTLE
-rape of women and very young African girls; leading to dearth in moral behaviours of the children
- continuous trauma due to discrimination and hatred
- self-fulfilling prophesy of gang-violence, marital breakdown and destruction of the African-American family
- experiencing the greatest holocaust and destruction incomparable to any other race

Your understanding of the above scenarios determines your level of knowledge of the true history (at a point in time) of the African people. Really, what am I trying to say? I put this to you.

caye:


LET US PERCEIVE YOUR INTELLIGENCE A LITTLE
-rape of women and very young African girls; leading to dearth in moral behaviours of the children
- continuous trauma due to discrimination and hatred
- self-fulfilling prophesy of gang-violence, marital breakdown and destruction of the African-American family
- experiencing the greatest holocaust and destruction incomparable to any other race

Your understanding of the above scenarios determines your level of knowledge of the true history (at a point in time) of the African people. Really, what am I trying to say? I put this to you.

You made sense but the beneficiaries don't see it that way. Please read my post carefully, it's a CURSE to some on the one hand and eventually a GIFT to others on the other hand. If you were an African-American, would you wish you were born in Africa, the 'cursed' continent? Forget what you read, see or hear, none of those guy would trade their present states for Africa. Again, their forefathers paid the price and providence smiled on them. That's the long & short of my post.

As aforementioned, ask Obama, Beyonce or Jay Z if they wished they were fully African, you sure know the answer.

jereekofee:
I often wonder the importance of these artifacts.Are they just for history alone or have spiritual importances?

One of the reason Africa is in the shape it's in today is as a result of loosing our historical artifacts from antiquity. If they are just for decorations why did they keep them all these centuries.

AreaFada2:


Nothing like Bini. It's Benin.

In fact by 15th century it was already known as Edo. As renamed from Igodomigodo by Ewuare I. It's creation of Edo state recently that now makes it more necessary to use Benin for sake of Esan, Owan, Igbanke and others who are also Edo State people.

Till now, you are "Ovbiedo" as a Benin person Not "Ovbiebini".

Beny was Portuguese from Ile Ubini writing it in 1478. The British wrote it in 1553 as Benin when they came later. It was Itsekhiri who told them at the coast upon landing that the power king inland ruling over the whole area is Oba of Ile Ubini, Beny, Bini or Benin never was our cup of tea really.

Ile Ubini was never popular among Edo people. By 1440 Oba Ewuare I had abolished Ile Ubini totally as another name. But just like Nigeria as name of our country, we didn't chose Benin. Either way we just took the British version as Benin. But Ovbiedo (Ivbiedo as plural) is what we are first and foremost.

People feel the need to make it look or sound more of vernacular by writing Bini. Even many Benin people are guilty of this. Despite correction from the palace over many years.

Benin/Edo people called Lagos Eko as a military camp. Portuguese later called it Lagos because of the lagoon. The British records even show Eleko Dosunmu as DOCEMO. So most parts of 9ja have had names tampered with. But enduring inherit culture is not all about an additional name given by invaders,

@ bold, am i the only one who thinks the people know why they still want to call it Bini rather than Benin and not because they were making a mistake? could it be that Oba Ewuare 1 is hiding something from the people?

some 20years ago i remember my Gandma saying Ibini, then often times my dad(who is educated unlike my grandma) often use the word Ibini too or Bini..i keep asking my self why he does that , then i heard the Oranmiyan story of calling the then Ogiso, Ile Ibinu(the land of angry people) so i kept wondering again what concerns Yoruba man with Edo/Benin . Then i went to Ile-Ife one time to do some work for a bank and was shocked to see the burial site of past Obas of Benin then this left me more confused again..but the truth of everything is beginning to unfold to me now, all the lies they have been telling us in Ile -Ife of one Oduduwa falling from the sky and creating the world and that of Benin too will be exposed here very soon when i create my thread.

I don't have anything to say,as usual,just want to book space,but,dose soldiers were merciless

Yoighaman:


You made sense but the beneficiaries don't see it that way. Please read my post carefully, it's a CURSE to some on the one hand and eventually a GIFT to others on the other hand. If you were an African-American, would you wish you were born in Africa, the 'cursed' continent? Forget what you read, see or hear, none of those guy would trade their present states for Africa. Again, their forefathers paid the price and providence smiled on them. That's the long & short of my post.

As aforementioned, ask Obama, Beyonce or Jay Z if they wished they were fully African, you sure know the answer.

In conclusion, I can perceive that you might not really understand the trauma and continuous destruction being;

experienced by the present African-American population; floating sometimes aimlessly between 2 worlds: America & Africa
presently unable to come back to Africa due to her present condition of underdevelopment of her land and minds,

and being treated as filth and lower-level humans/ 'humanlike beings' ( through racism) in America .

Note: Obama, Jay Z , Puff Diddy e.t.c. represent a miniature of the population of African-Americans. Majority are still traumatised subconsciously by slavery.
You might need to find out yourself.

Hmmm

caye:


In conclusion, I can perceive that you might not really understand the trauma and continuous destruction being;

experienced by the present African-American population; floating sometimes aimlessly between 2 worlds: America & Africa
presently unable to come back to Africa due to her present condition of underdevelopment of her land and minds,

and being treated as filth and lower-level humans/ 'humanlike beings' ( through racism) in America .

Note: Obama, Jay Z , Puff Diddy e.t.c. represent a miniature of the population of African-Americans. Majority are still traumatised subconsciously by slavery.
You might need to find out yourself.

Bro. They can all feign being traumatized....being fully African? Never that. Is it Diddy, Dr. Dre, Will Smith, Jada, Michelle Obama etc you want to claim being African? They can associate with the continent but would never trade their citizenship for it, not even Anthony Joshua. Tomori and Tammy Abraham didn't even do.

mr1759:


Almost yes Edo share similar with Igbo in language [s]because onitsha where migrants from Edo land. [/s]
Similarities
Edo call chicken okhokho
Igbo call chicken Okuko
Edo call farm ugbo
Igbo call farm ugbo
Edo call dog Ekita
Igbo call dog Nkita
Edo greet dooo
Igbo greet ndooo
Edo call their king oba
Igbo call their king obi

the reason you gave for the similarity between the two languages is False as Onitsha is not the origin of the Igbo people or is it that igbos didn't have words for those until they(Onitsha people) came along
We have been speaking like that before they migrated from wherever they migrated from

shouldn't the be tried, for looting

cbrass:


@ bold, am i the only one who thinks the people know why they still want to call it Bini rather than Benin and not because they were making a mistake? could it be that Oba Ewuare 1 is hiding something from the people?

some 20years ago i remember my Gandma saying Ibini, then often times my dad(who is educated unlike my grandma) often use the word Ibini too or Bini..i keep asking my self why he does that , then i heard the Oranmiyan story of calling the then Ogiso, Ile Ibinu(the land of angry people) so i kept wondering again what concerns Yoruba man with Edo/Benin . Then i went to Ile-Ife one time to do some work for a bank and was shocked to see the burial site of past Obas of Benin then this left me more confused again..but the truth of everything is beginning to unfold to me now, all the lies they have been telling us in Ile -Ife of one Oduduwa falling from the sky and creating the world and that of Benin too will be exposed here very soon when i create my thread.

Well, I have disputed Oduduwa falling from the story here on Nairaland over the years and often led to intertribal spat so that's another story.

When you hear something often enough, you begin to believe it. Be it true or not.

Fact is your grand dad and grandma would never have called themselves "ovbiubini". But ovbiedo.

Someone going from Ovia or Orionmwon to Benin would not have said "I am going to Ubini or Bini" but to Edo.
I grew up to meet people born in 1870s. People who were around 16 or 17 years old in 1897 as Oba Ovonramwen went to Calabar.

That some people still used various versions of Bini does not remove the fact that Ewuare the first (1440 to 1473) abolished Ubini by 1440 already. Some people still call Benin Republic Dahomey and Ghana Gold Coast. Whether some citizens there prefer the old name or not reality is they now have new names.

Oba Ewuare the first had nothing to hide. He just wanted to finally remove the disparaging name given by Oronmiyan. Though his father Imadoduwa/Oduduwa was an exiled Benin prince, previously known as Ekaladerhan. Oronmiyan was essentially a foreigner brought up within Yoruba culture.

The story is pretty well established and well known. Ewuare the first was an astute politician, warrior and reformer. No other Oba has left so much impact on Edo culture than Ewuare. A new name was just another of his political, social, religious, military and wide ranging reforms.

Edo by the way was a loyal servant who saved his life during struggle for the throne. He thought that such bravery, loyalty and dedication epitomise Igodomigodo spirit and honoured him with renaming the empire Edo. The servant Edo lost his life in that struggle.

valentineuwakwe:
I pray they will not go and duplicate the items and return the fake ones to us.....fear these whitemen!

There is a possibility
Then they'll cart the original elsewhere

The ones you have at home, have you stolen them?

carterguccy:
Won’t it be better off there?? We have maintenance and continuity problem here in African as a whole. Keep them there and 100years from now it’s all gonna be fine like it is now But Return it to Niaja and come back after just 6months spits

dasparrow:
Listen, you are an inferiority complex stricken coon. Go and read history and educate yourself. Littering this thread with racist cartoon illustrations will not help your cause. Unless you have 2 Caucasian parents, the white race will never see you as one of them so go ahead and keep azz kissing the white man's behind and licking his pink sweaty balls so you can score brownie points. This is why I generally keep Nigerians at Bay. Many of you reason like inferiority complex stricken idiots which is what many of you are.

Na who your wailing and whining epp?
Browbie points keee you there.
Deal with the issues raised, otherwise...............................


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AreaFada2:

Well, I have disputed Oduduwa falling from the story here on Nairaland over the years and often led to intertribal spat so that's another story.

When you hear something often enough, you begin to believe it. Be it true or not.

Fact is your grand dad and grandma would never have called themselves "ovbiubini". But ovbiedo.

Someone going from Ovia or Orionmwon to Benin would not have said "I am going to Ubini or Bini" but to Edo.
I grew up to meet people born in 1870s. People who were around 16 or 17 years old in 1897 as Oba Ovonramwen went to Calabar.

That some people still used various versions of Bini does not remove the fact that Ewuare the first (1440 to 1473) abolished Ubini by 1440 already. Some people still call Benin Republic Dahomey and Ghana Gold Coast. Whether some citizens there prefer the old name or not reality is they now have new names.

Oba Ewuare the first had nothing to hide. He just wanted to finally remove the disparaging name given by Oronmiyan. Though his father imadoduwa/Oduduwa was an exiled Benin, Oronmiyan was essentially a foreigner brought up with Yoruba culture.

The story is pretty well established and well known. Ewuare the first was an astute politician, warrior and reformer. No other Oba has left so much impact on Edo culture than Ewuare. A new name was just another of his political, social, religious, military and wide ranging reforms.

Edo by the way was a loyal servant who saved his life during struggle for the throne. He thought that such bravery, loyalty and dedication epitomise Igodomigodo spirit and honoured him with renaming the empire Edo. The servant Edo lost his life in that struggle.

I like the fact you are honest about the reason Oba Ewuare wanted to abolish the disparaging name given by Oranmiyan but you made mention of when people start to hear something for too long they start to think that it is the truth. Due to the composition of my family I am able to reason out of the Yoruba/Edo sentiments, so it made me to be neutral. It was then I could be able to search for some truth. When I start this thread on Niaraland very soon, some people will hear what their fathers have not even heard before. They used to say in Yorubaland that The Ooni is the first king but this was a big lie, in fact there were about 51 kings before the Ooni. I also come to discover that the story about Oduduwa coming from Ogiso was entirely false, in fact Oduduwa was the younger brother of Obatala. I also found out that the word OBA started with the Obatalas and not Oduduwa. Also the Ogiso dynasty had alot of Ondo towns but deliberately left the Town of Owo in Ondo state thesame thing too happened with the Oyo empire. Why did these two empires leave Owo town and didn't conquer it. By Gods grace from next month I will be bursting their age long lies here.

cbrass:


I like the fact you are honest about the reason Oba Ewuare wanted to abolish the disparaging name given by Oranmiyan but you made mention of when people start to hear something for too long they start to think that it is the truth. Due to the composition of my family I am able to reason out of the Yoruba/Edo sentiments, so it made me to be neutral. It was then I could be able to search for some truth. When I start this thread on Niaraland very soon, some people will hear what their fathers have not even heard before. They used to say in Yorubaland that The Ooni is the first king but this was a big lie, in fact there were about 51 kings before the Ooni. I also come to discover that the story about Oduduwa coming from Ogiso was entirely false, in fact Oduduwa was the younger brother of Obatala. I also found out that the word OBA started with the Obatalas and not Oduduwa. Also the Ogiso dynasty had alot of Ondo towns but deliberately left the Town of Owo in Ondo state thesame thing too happened with the Oyo empire. Why did these two empires leave Owo town and didn't conquer it. By Gods grace from next month I will be bursting their age long lies here.

Actually Owo was conquered by Benin Empire. But history agrees that Owo was left with "much autonomy". It never seemed like a proper colony but even the attire of Olowo very much mirrors Oba royal regalia. And many other similarities. My own family history is very much attached to this conquest.

But the sacking of Akure in the 1820s by Benin Empire is pretty clearly documented. It was not an amicable treaty thing.

By the way Otun in Northern Ekiti was the boundary of sphere of influence between Oyo Empire & Benin Empire. Aare Ona Kakanfo and Iyase Ekpenede of Benin made the demarcation. Kankanko facing Oyo and planted Rafia palm (a plant common in Northern Oyo when Illorin was still part of it) & Iyase facing Benin and planted Ikhimwin tree traditional to Benin. This was the Benin-Oyo Treaty at Otun. Essentially all of Ekiti & Ondo (Estern Yorubaland in the Savannah) was/were accepted as being under Benin. A guy from Otun came here to rant and deny it here on NL years back but he ended up asking me to tell him more about the history of Otun.

You know Benin people have to very much attached to Benin and surrounding areas. Benin never wanted a "Lebensraum" so didn't move many natives to conquered lands. Core Benin didn't have large population so relied on ingenuity, military efficiency, mercenaries and some soldiers from colonies to fight wars of expansion and quell rebellion. Benin only moved a few members of the aristocracy & royalty to oversee new lands. Mostly not disrupting the social order of a new territory but mostly introducing Benin royal culture among the ruling classes of new lands. With time Benin elite were absorbed into the land and even Benin culture once introduced came to be seen as indigenous. Take for example Lagos. Admitting that Oba of Lagos & several aristocratic families of Lagos like Obanikoro are of Benin origin caused Late Oba Oyekan & current Oba Akiolu much flack from Yoruba people. The norm in SW is to invent a link to Oduduwa somehow.

Actually my family background makes me a far more neutral person than most people. I began arguing assertions here on NL like 8 years ago as a bridge-builder. But our SW people made it clear that unless you toe SW version of things without question, then you are a sell-out.

I once volunteered to fund DNA tests for at least a dozen or more people from Benin & Ife royal lineage to see if there's any ancestral link. You can trace which came from which with it these days. As an objective & scientific way to see things. Nobody took the offer. I doubt if people really want the truth. Because it might hurt. But there's nothing to gain by claiming this or that. A dispassionate, objective and scientific approach is needed.

As for Oba, it's been in use in Benin since Ogiso times. We had Obagodo way before Oranmiyan. Oba means it's shining. Today Oba is still praised as shining like the sun and the moon.
There is

agadez007:
the reason you gave for the similarity between the two languages is False as Onitsha is not the origin of the Igbo people or is it that igbos didn't have words for those until they(Onitsha people) came along
We have been speaking like that before they migrated from wherever they migrated from

All tribes borrow from each other including English Igbo will not be different

mr1759:


All tribes borrow from each other including English Igbo will not be different

I think it's the other way round,you guys burrowed the words from Anioma people

agadez007:
I think it's the other way round,you guys burrowed the words from Anioma people

Anioma is an part of old bendel not Igbo but Edo