ContractKiller:
Muslims claim the Quran is the direct word of their god. Not the word of any prophet or man. Hence MuhaMAD always referred to himself as a "messenger".However, simply reading through the quran shows how dishonest these claims are.

For example Sura 1:1-5 says:

“ In the name of Allah” and continues as follows:

"Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek.”

Since the Quran is the direct word of Allah, then Allah is the person talking in Surah 1:1-5.

Allah is the one saying to himself:

Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek

If that is the case, then who is allah worshipping and whose aid is Allah seeking in Surah 1:1-5 of the quran?

If the answer is allah, then this means that Allah is worshiping Allah and seeking Allah's help. That doesn't make any sense.

If Muslim say that MuhaMAD is the speaker in Quran 1:1-5 then it means that the Qur’an is the word of Muhammad, not Allah and is therefore a man made book.

Cajal:
...is better not to talk than to talk the way the DEVIL WOULD HAD WANTED U TO TALK
THIS WAS HOW DEVIL START ...
WATCH UR STEPS
MAY GOD Almighty FORGIVE U ..because this maybe as a result of mental inadequacy

ContractKiller:
Muslims claim the Quran is the direct word of their god. Not the word of any prophet or man. Hence MuhaMAD always referred to himself as a "messenger".However, simply reading through the quran shows how dishonest these claims are.

For example Sura 1:1-5 says:

“ In the name of Allah” and continues as follows:

"Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek.”

Since the Quran is the direct word of Allah, then Allah is the person talking in Surah 1:1-5.

Allah is the one saying to himself:

Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek

If that is the case, then who is allah worshipping and whose aid is Allah seeking in Surah 1:1-5 of the quran?

If the answer is allah, then this means that Allah is worshiping Allah and seeking Allah's help. That doesn't make any sense.

If Muslims say that MuhaMAD is the speaker in Quran 1:1-5 then it means that the Qur’an is the word of Muhammad, not Allah and is therefore a man made book.

9jabull:


Op your a critical thinker, its only those that reason critically can understand you, just be prepared because the will soon gather to attach you.

ContractKiller:
Let them gather. I know they can never challenge me with logic or intelligence because the founder of their religion lacked both of those attributes.

BabaRamota1980:


The Quran is a book of faith. Its not a product of thesis, therefore logic and intelligence is not what you need when reviewing what it says. If you do not have faith in it simply ignore it. There are many that have faith in the scripture.

If you attack any part of it you also attack a Chapter called Maryam, in which the virtues of Mary is extolled. You attack the Chapter on Abraham, you attack the chapter on Moses, on John the Baptist.

I advise you focus your disagreements with Northerners on their cultures and mindsets, which is all separate from the Quran.

Leave the Quran out of your spite...unless you also want to ridicule its praise and love on all those ancients of faith mentioned in it.

BabaRamota1980:


The Quran is a book of faith. Its not a product of thesis, therefore logic and intelligence is not what you need when reviewing what it says. If you do not have faith in it simply ignore it. There are many that have faith in the scripture.

If you attack any part of it you also attack a Chapter called Maryam, in which the virtues of Mary is extolled. You attack the Chapter on Abraham, you attack the chapter on Moses, on John the Baptist.

I advise you focus your disagreements with Northerners on their cultures and mindsets, which is all separate from the Quran.

Leave the Quran out of your spite...unless you also want to ridicule its praise and love on all those ancients of faith mentioned in it.

ContractKiller:
Muslims claim the Quran is the direct word of their god. Not the word of any prophet or man. Hence MuhaMAD always referred to himself as a "messenger".However, simply reading through the quran shows how dishonest these claims are.

For example Sura 1:1-5 says:

“ In the name of Allah” and continues as follows:

"Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek.”

Since the Quran is the direct word of Allah, then Allah is the person talking in Surah 1:1-5.

Allah is the one saying to himself:

Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek

If that is the case, then who is allah worshipping and whose aid is Allah seeking in Surah 1:1-5 of the quran?

If the answer is allah, then this means that Allah is worshiping Allah and seeking Allah's help. That doesn't make any sense.

If Muslims say that MuhaMAD is the speaker in Quran 1:1-5 then it means that the Qur’an is the word of Muhammad, not Allah and is therefore a man made book.

AgentNairaland:
In Addition, allah even prayed in Quran...


Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet . O ye who believe! pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation! S. 33:56..

allah and his angels prayed for Muhammad

jahsharon:


I thought you will be preparing for the birthday of your lord, what do you want to be unfortunate in Christmas period?

jahsharon:


I thought you will be preparing for the birthday of your lord, what do you want to be unfortunate in Christmas period?

Olamilekxy:
Muslim have a mansion on Christian head, u even create a thread just to rubbish quran , since have been using nairaland haven't see any Muslim create a thread to rubbish bible or Christianity.
I don't know wetin Islam do for una,
and if we start bringing out the mistake in Bible you guys will be giving excuses that we didn't read from the beginning or we can't understand it.
op am sure you know that the mistake/error inside bible is plenty .
I shouldn't have reply you but I just want to give you the attention you seeking for

and back to your question cos I know you'll quote me dat I didn't answer the question, your answer is *okay* cos am not in for any argument, if you like you say it was written by Buhari or whoever you feel like, that's your problem

doing this won't do any damage to Islam so change your style.

AgentNairaland:
In Addition, allah even prayed in Quran...


Verily, Allah and His angels pray (yusalloona) for the prophet . O ye who believe! pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation! S. 33:56..

Is like allah has another god in one corner

TheOutlaw:
O boy see as dem carry this topic go bury am inside the islamic section!

So nl's MOOslim mods want to discourage people from commenting on this topic because no sane person wants that islamic confession on their profile abi? Really disappointed with you lot. It seems Seun Osewa has given you too much freedom to abuse your privileges as moderators on this forum.

Nobody, not even Rashduct4luv, Lukgaf etc can answer this because it is too embarrassing for them!

TheExecutioner:
Amazing. You mean all the time that this thread has been standing, the only thing you can do is make childish and schoolyard insults? Isn't there any keyboard jihadi or dawahist who can answer this simple challenge?
Rashduct4luv Lukgaf OladimejiRufai aka IMESS, Patrioticman007 etc how far na ? Are you all in hiding?

Silence is the best answer for somebody like you. The fact is you are not ready for truth.

Lukgaf:

TheExecutioner:
What does that even mean? I'm really disappointed o! What will the truth do to me?

If it will harm me, then why are you worried about causing harm to an ordinary kuffar? Doesn't the quran say in 8:55 that allah hates the kuffar? Or are you perhaps afraid that the quran is only making empty threats?

Why not just answer OP's question and reveal the identity of the speaker in Surah 1:1-5?

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Lukgaf:


Meanwhile, kindly note that Al-Quran is the world of Allah revealed to the Prophet via Angel Jibril. I hope you understand this?

Gandollaar:
OP is it true that they gathered a group of christians in a caxe and ordered them to tweak the Bible to become quoran?

TheExecutioner:

What is the identity of the speaker in Surah 1:1-5? Why is it so hard for you to answer such a simple question?

Who is the person saying:

Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek

Is it allah or MuhaMAD?

Snowale:
so, with this conclusion you think you are smart, if you are a Christian, the true Christians know that similar verses to the one you quoted can be found in the Bible, and if you are atheist. For a Nigerian to call himself an atheist, weed must have stucked on his brain, that's the fact.

The Quran as a whole, doesn't only contains story of other prophets, Jesus Moses Adam etc. It contains guidelines on how to worship God Almighty and how to live a very good life acceptable by God, just like the Bible which came before the Quran.
As in the verse you quoted, you will gain nothing from such, but a miserable hereafter. As I do say, you don't just quote a sentence of a passage, or tell people a phrase you heard from someone, with out telling what the passage says from the beginning or what led the person say such phrase, respectively.
The second verse after Bismi Lah, Gives Thanks to Almighty God, the Lord of all mankind, the third verse calls him the most merciful and the most beneficent, the forth verse says her is the king/Judge of the day of Judgement, the fifth verse, the one the OP quoted, in simpler English, You alone we worship and You alone we seek for help, the sixth verse says Guide us through the straight path, and the last verse says the way of those you have bestowed your grace upon, and not to those who earned your anger.

Narrated by Abu Sa'id bin Al-Mualla, while I was praying in the mosque, Allah's messenger(SAW) called me but I didn't respond to him, Later I said 'O Allah's Messenger, I was praying, He said "Didn't Allah say, Answer Allah(By obeying him) and his messenger when he calls you(V. 8:24) he then said to me, 'I will teach you a surah which is the greatest surah in the Quran, before you leave the mosque', then he got hold of my hand, and when he intended to leave the mosque, I said to him, " Didn't you say to me 'I will teach you a surah which is the greatest surah in the Qur'an?" He said Alhamdulillahi rabbil alamin, which is the second verse of the surah the OP quoted.

I'm not writing all this to prove the OP wrong, or to bring any disbelievers to the way of Allah, but to serve as a guidance to Muslim who might have thought the OP has a point, It is said in the holy Quran 'the believers will never be in peace with you unless you join them. And any disbeliever that leaves the way of worshipping idols, carved Mary statue, carved Jesus cross, rosery etc its by Allah's knowledge and wish, those that are destinied to end up in hell, will end up in hell, expect Allah says otherwise.

Maa Salam

ContractKiller:
Muslims claim the Quran is the direct word of their god. Not the word of any prophet or man. Hence MuhaMAD always referred to himself as a "messenger".However, simply reading through the quran shows how dishonest these claims are.

For example Sura 1:1-5 says:

“ In the name of Allah” and continues as follows:

"Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek.”

Since according to muslims the Quran is the direct word of Allah, this would have to mean Allah is the person talking in Surah 1:1-5.

Allah is the one saying to himself:

"Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek"

If that is the case, then who is allah worshipping and whose aid is Allah seeking in Surah 1:1-5 of the quran?

If the answer is allah, then this means that Allah is worshiping Allah and seeking Allah's help. That doesn't make any sense.

If Muslims say that MuhaMAD is the speaker in Quran 1:1-5 then it means that the Qur’an is the word of Muhammad, not Allah and is therefore a man made book.

saladinnoir:


Op you are dull don't you know what perception, view point and intended message(The Qur'an was narrated by Angel jibril(gabriel) abeg leave here I would have written more but if you can't even understand this then you're not worth arguing with

ContractKiller:
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You say similar verses exist in the Bible.

I thought you MOOSLIMS believe the Bible is supposed to be corrupted beyond redemption. Isn't that supposed to be the whole essence for the existence of the "perfectly preserved" koran?

But nevertheless, I challenge you to reproduce a verse in the Bible which is similar to koran 1:1-5.

Secondly, I see you have done the usual MOOslim tactic of using a thousand vague words to answer a very simple question that only needs to be answered by mentioning one name or one word.

WHO IS THE WORSHIPPER PRAYING FOR AID IN KORAN CHAPTER 1: 1-5? WHAT IS HIS NAME?

It shouldn't take a long essay to answer this question, so I'll wait here patiently until you decide to stop playing games and get straight to the point

You can ask Maclatunji, Mukina, Dominique, Rashduct4luv Lukgaf OladimejiRufai, in fact all your MOOslim heroes on NL for help if you feel you lack the intellectual ability to handle this simple challenge

TheExecutioner:

What is the identity of the speaker in Surah 1:1-5? Why is it so hard for you to answer such a simple question?

Who is the person saying:

Thee do we worship and Thine aid we seek

Is it allah or MuhaMAD?