ACN primary will be Ribadu's to lose. Buhari has no chance. VP slot should probably go to a guy like Fashola. Highly credible. Tinubu is a joke. A Ribadu/Fashola package is very, very formidable. If ACN plays their cards right, the 2011 presidental election is rather a foregone conclusion.

DapoBear:

To me, this seems like David fighting Goliath, and David winning. But it appears that most Nigerians, due to zoning/religion would prefer to see Goliath win. Even if Goliath is going to be far less effective in administering the country, bringing about progress.

So what exactly is the goal of Nigeria as a country? Is it just for show? Everyone take turns, even at the cost of progress?
I see. At least now I understand why Nigeria is not doing well as a country. It isn't just the politicians alone. With no offense to you all here who are no doubt more enlightened, it appears that many of its people are voting to make the country worse  

Anyway, maybe the ACN should field Buhari and some SS or SE man, then. . .

What is most important now is that our votes count.

Sincerely there is no empirical proof that a buhari/fashola ticket would be more effective than a GEJ/sambo or an Atiku/soludo ticket. The president sets the tone of governance, and even if he has a very sound VP, things might still not work. If a president after winning elections feel threatened by the general goodwill his VP enjoys, he can choose to make him very redundant and systematically make him look the devil in public eye.

How a Buhari with his background and style in politics will be able to cope with the intrigues in a democracy and still not lose  sight of his core developmental programmes is still a major case study for political scientists.

@stranger.

You must be a stranger    indeed to say Tinubu has no base.

Perhaps you do not stay in Nigeria.

Tinubu is an  asset to any party with Ekiti, Edo, Osun. Lagos and Ondo his territory

I am waiting for when he will be made the asiwaju of the Yorubas, I will be there.

Now tell me who among the lot can stand a CIA probe?

The worst ACN is better than the beast PDP

Tinubu ride on

@fstranger: Ultimately, it is damning (at least imo) of the Nigerian voter if he/she prefers a clearly inferior ticket just due to religious/ethnic sentiment.

stranger:

I don't buy the idea that certain individuals are better or more clever than the others

That unfortunately is not true. Some leaders are better than others. Some people are smarter than others. It is just reality. If you elect a mumu president, your country will suffer. I'm not talking about pure intelligence alone, a lot of it too is people skills, leadership, speaking ability, etc. But these things matter. You cannot progress as a country if you are constantly picking inferior leaders, imo. It puts you at a disadvantage relative to other countries, for example.

There is always someone able to do the job from every group, and in the spirit of fairness, every group needs to be given a chance

This affirmative-action type of mentality weakens a land. What if the group whose turn it is is not fielding a quality candidate? Why not just let everyone compete, and let the best man win?

Nigeria is not a peculiar case, Obama was not the smartest person in the last presidential election
Hillary was, but for reasons known to Americans, they voted for Obama

No, Obama is/was quite a bit smarter than Hillary. Remember, Hillary had a lot of the part machinery over Obama. She had every advantage over Obama, but was beaten fair and square. And as she started to lose, she also played this "minority" card, and make Obama out to be some sort of sexist anti-woman bigot.
I hate politics like that, it is disgusting and crude. If you lose fair and square, don't play the race/minority/bigotry card.

Also,when Bush became the president, he wasnt the smartest candidate around, Gore was the first time, and Kerry was the second time. Americans voted for Bush because unlike other candidates, he was more like the ordinary guy on the street, with a lot of common sense.

I don't mean raw intelligence, i.e., IQ. A lot of this stuff is about dealing with and managing people. Bush outmaneuvered Gore, despite having a lot of disadvantages. He was the more personable and appealing candidate, Gore made lots of blunders.

That said, it is a temporary thingy
I expect things to change overtime, not in my lifetime of course
Until then, ZONING 4 LYF

Tinubu has no shot. Let's be real.

stranger:

@ Dapobear

Therein lies why it would be unfair to have a Yorubaman as Buhari's VP!
Again, you have to be very practical
Think broadly
It will do SW a lot of good if we can be patient for our turn. Support others now, so they can support us when we need them
This is the reality.

Bros what turn are you talking about? Whats unfair here. They just told us zoning was bad. Thats why Goodluck is contesting. abi you no dey town?

Since zoning out of the way. We can even a Yoruba president now sef. Muslim/muslim, christian/christian, North/north, south/south, are all now a fair game.

Buhari/Fashola for president. This ticket is a WINNER anyday.

NOTE: Please don't bother to reply JAKUMO, he is a lost course.

na_so:

What is most important now is that our votes count.

Sincerely there is no empirical proof that a buhari/fashola ticket would be more effective than a GEJ/sambo or an Atiku/soludo ticket. The president sets the tone of governance, and even if he has a very sound VP, things might still not work. If a president after winning elections feel threatened by the general goodwill his VP enjoys, he can choose to make him very redundant and systematically make him look the devil in public eye.

Be real with yourself, man. Ignore ethnicity/tribe and religion temporarily. You KNOW in your heart of hearts that Buhari/Fashola will administer the country better and increase the prestige of the country more than a GEJ/Sambo one.

The problem is ethnicity and religion. People fear that Buhari is a religious zealot. And that this is a Northern/SW plot to dominate the country again. For me, I am not afraid of any zealotry by Buhari if ACN OKs him. They are not a Muslim/Sharia party. They mostly seem interested in growing the economy and making Nigeria a wealthy country, not religion.

Me, I don't give a damn about religion. I'll vote for an atheist if I am sure he will not discriminate against me religiously and will grow the economy. An atheist who will grow the economy is better than a Christian who will cause it to stagnate.

I also understand that people are afraid of Northerners/Yoruba collaborating to dominate the country. But can you really have beef with this ticket if it beats the PDP, despite all of the vast powers the PDP has? Democracy is democracy, is it not? It isn't like Buhari/Fashola will then gobble up all the federal money and use it only to enrich their regions, is it? They will be extra sensitive to this issue and be fair, will they not?

How can you justify supporting Goliath over David, just because Goliath is from your tribe?

I think an Atiku/Soludo ticket can be fine for the economy, if they can be trusted not to gobble up money. But personally, I don't trust Atiku not to do that. And with the recent issues surrounding Soludo, I cannot be sure he won't steal either.

fuke:

@stranger.
You must be a stranger    indeed to say Tinubu has no base.
Perhaps you do not stay in Nigeria. Tinubu is an  asset to any party with Ekiti, Edo, Osun. Lagos and Ondo his territory. I am waiting for when he will be made the asiwaju of the Yorubas, I will be there. Now tell me who among the lot can stand a CIA probe? The worst ACN is better than the beast PDP . Tinubu ride on

No, Tinubu is anything but an asset. That he played a part in the elections in the places you mentioned does not make him an asset of anything. Matter of fact, I remember Tinubu was one of those accused of bribing and rigging back during the Ekiti debacle. I am certain people came to, at that point, understand that Tinubu was more a glorified OMO OTA/AGBERO than anything else.

Actually, Tinubu was indicted in Chicago – part of the reason why he fled back to Nigeria and has yet to be back. I am not sure why you need the CIA to probe him when he/ among many of the local champions you folks have down there in Nigeria, have cases keeping them from showing up here in the States.

I know, I know we have a way of playing "My thief is better than your thief" games with our lives, but come on, I am sure you know you can do better, right?

Akanbi_edu:

NOTE: Please don't bother to reply JAKUMO, he is a lost course.

Thank you for successfully ignoring the truth of my post.   Just in case you missed the large red print I used above for your personal benefit, here is the prediction again :

[size=14pt]Buhari will lose ALL elections on which he wastes his stolen money, and then he will AGAIN launch costly FAILED lawsuits to protest his resounding electoral loss.  Finally we will LOSE all that stolen money on his hopeless pursuits of political power, before LOSING his miserable wasted life under very amusing circumstances[/size].

fuke:

@stranger.

You must be a stranger    indeed to say Tinubu has no base.

Perhaps you do not stay in Nigeria.

Tinubu is an  asset to any party with Ekiti, Edo, Osun. Lagos and Ondo his territory

I am waiting for when he will be made the asiwaju of the Yorubas, I will be there.

Now tell me who among the lot can stand a CIA probe?

The worst ACN is better than the beast PDP

Tinubu ride on

I hope the guys in ACN have the right readings. Mimiko(Not tinubu) single-handedly ousted PDP in ONDO state with an unknown labour party flag. why? because of the general discontent with the PDP governor in that state.

ACN's victory  in the other states, is just the people voicing their discontent with PDP leadership, just the same way they were disatisfied with AD leadership in 2003. Forget all the story about OBJ foxing AD governors and Afenifere leaders in 2003, people were just tired of them. Lagos was a very close call, Funsho williams gave a good fight. in some circles it is believed that if the votes really counted, funsho would have won lagos.

Niyi Akande --Osun was just about average. Adefariti- Ondo was woeful who was busy impregnating youth corpers, Niyi adebayo--Ekiti was just a fine boy with minimal impact, Lam Adeshina- was just about average. Osoba- was average , but too arrogant for ogun people, hence had to be taught a bitter political lesson.

Now we are seeing a new set of leadership, let them learn from history and know that the SW has the most enlightened/dynamic voting population. The same wave that ushered them in might still push them out if they dont perform. Of special mention is Ekiti, Fayemi should know that he is dealing with about the most difficult set of people in the SW, he needs to do more to impress.

Jakumo:

Thank you for successfully ignoring the truth of my post.   Just in case you missed the large red print I used above for your personal benefit, here is the prediction again :

[size=14pt]Buhari will lose ALL elections on which he wastes his stolen money, and then he will AGAIN launch costly FAILED lawsuits to protest his resounding electoral loss.  Finally we will LOSE all that stolen money on his hopeless pursuits of political power, before LOSING his miserable wasted life under very amusing circumstances[/size].

You'd better start praying to whatever you believe in that Buhari doesn't pair up with Fashola. We surely have another June 12 elections in our hands here. anti-corruption meets performance. NO INCUMBENCY CAN BEAT THIS PAIR.

both of them lost

Kobojunkie:

Actually, Tinubu was indicted in Chicago – part of the reason why he fled back to Nigeria and has yet to be back.

I'm not sure this is true. There was some sort of AC affiliated lecture/conference in North Carolina a couple of years ago which he was supposed to give a talk at (at least, this is what the flyer said.)

I didn't go myself so don't know if he actually ever showed up, though. I'll see if I can find the flyer for it in my mailbox or wherever I saw it.

EDIT: typos, highlighting

na_so:

I hope the guys in ACN have the right readings. Mimiko(Not tinubu) single-handedly ousted PDP in ONDO state with an unknown labour party flag. why? because of the general discontent with the PDP governor in that state.

ACN's victory  in the other states, is just the people voicing their discontent with PDP leadership, just the same way they were disatisfied with AD leadership in 2003. Forget all the story about OBJ foxing AD governors and Afenifere leaders in 2003, people were just tired of them. Lagos was a very close call, Funsho williams gave a good fight. in some circles it is believed that if the votes really counted, funsho would have won lagos.

Correction: Tinubu, not Mimiko, with the help of the Judiciary, ousted PDP in Ondo. Mimiko will soon decamp to ACN as part of the agreement he had with Tinubu before Tinubu started supporting him. Tinubu is fighting a good fight. I just dont like him personally. That said, better with him , than without.

As for 2003 election, OBJ rigged that shyyt massively. He couldnt get into Lagos because Tinubu, with the help of other Lagosians, just do not like the guy. Also, Tinubu had all the area boys firmly under him them. And yes, Funsho Williams WON that election. That is a very well known fact!

stranger:

Correction: Tinubu, not Mimiko, with the help of the Judiciary, ousted PDP in Ondo. Mimiko will soon decamp to ACN as part of the agreement he had with Tinubu before Tinubu started supporting him. Tinubu is fighting a good fight. I just dont like him personally. That said, better with him , than without.

As for 2003 election, OBJ rigged that shyyt massively. He couldnt get into Lagos because Tinubu, with the help of other Lagosians, just do not like the guy. Also, Tinubu had all the area boys firmly under him them. And yes, Funsho Williams WON that election. That is a very well known fact!

You are so wrong on this one.

All the minority parties should form an alliance and present a formidable combination.Possible combinations include:

Buhari/utomi(With support from ACN),Buhari/Fashola Okonjo Iweala/Ribadu.Buhari/Dora Akunyili. She could be convinced.Or even Buhari/Bakare(/he has the tendency to accept)

DapoBear:

I'm not sure this is true. There was some sort of AC affiliated lecture/conference in North Carolina a couple of years ago which he was supposed to give a talk at (at least, this is what the flyer said.)

I didn't go myself so don't know if he actually ever showed up, though. I'll see if I can find the flyer for it in my mailbox or wherever I saw it.

EDIT: typos, highlighting

Yeah, that mofo was INDICTED
The report is out there, you just have to search for it

He had to forfeit a huge amount of money before he was let go
That guy is a convicted criminal fo sho!

DapoBear:

I'm not sure this is true. There was some sort of AC affiliated lecture/conference in North Carolina a couple of years ago which he was supposed to give a talk at (at least, this is what the flyer said.)

I didn't go myself so don't know if he actually ever showed up, though. I'll see if I can find the flyer for it in my mailbox or wherever I saw it.

EDIT: typos, highlighting

When you are sure, let me know !

@ stranger, definitely u do not stay in Lagos or Nigeria to say a lot of tr**sh, what success has the PDP recorded,GEJ himself has no achievement to show the he is able to stir this country in the right path, the same auto pilot Yar'dua left this country on is what GEJ has held on to. Nothing significant has been done.
Atiku is just an hustler with a whole lot of drama, globe troting from one party to another trying to achieve his selfish ambition, he is not even accepted in the PDP of his state.
Tinubu carries a lot of Drama, but he is still accepted because he can deliver. If u are in doubt ask Obj. Fashola, hit the ground running because of the foundation and pillars which Tinubu has laid in Lagos. Personally, Buhari /Tinubu ticket is like the best of both worlds because they will be able to curtail their excesses,  How much does Buhari have to fight an election or an election tribunal ? the answer lies with Tinubu.[size=8pt][size=8pt][/size][/size] [color=#000099][/color]

Dr. vu!!:

@ stranger, definitely u do not stay in Lagos or Nigeria to say a lot of tr**sh, what success has the PDP recorded,GEJ himself has no achievement to show the he is able to stir this country in the right path, the same auto pilot Yar'dua left this country on is what GEJ has held on to. Nothing significant has been done.
Atiku is just an hustler with a whole lot of drama, globe troting from one party to another trying to achieve his selfish ambition, he is not even accepted in the PDP of his state.
Tinubu carries a lot of Drama, but he is still accepted because he can deliver. If u are in doubt ask Obj. Fashola, hit the ground running because of the foundation and pillars which Tinubu has laid in Lagos. Personally, Buhari /Tinubu ticket is like the best of both worlds because they will be able to curtail their excesses, How much does Buhari have to fight an election or an election tribunal ? the answer lies with Tinubu.[size=8pt][size=8pt][/size][/size] [color=#000099][/color]

Definitely, you are a Lagos based ACN card carrying member to believe the trash you wrote above.
Think broadly for once
Stop drinking paraga, not good for your sense of judgement!

Kobojunkie:

When you are sure, let me know !

Yep, searching now. Didn't find anything in my inbox, now trying to find the yahoo groups mailing list which I saw it on. . .

babaearly:

why does Buhari want to rule nigeria?

I would like to think it's the same reason others wanted to rule Nigeria too. Dont you think so?

Jakumo:

Even if former Nigerian military tyrant and Islamic supremacist Ayatollah Buhari chooses Jesus Christ as his running mate, and Mohammed Allah as his campaign manager, that monkey Buhari will LOSE and LOSE MASSIVELY, just as he has done countless times in the past.

All told, Ayatollah Buhari should be encouraged and goaded on to waste ALL the stolen wealth he amassed while he was dictator, and later the key-holder of Nigeria's petroleum piggy bank, for nothing will please freedom loving people everywhere more than the news of another Islamic Jihad proponent getting old and dying flat BROKE of terminal frustration.  

Let the games begin !  Ha ha ha

Could you please substantiate the allegations with any proof in form of reference.I never knew you as being involved in careless comments. I will like to know his stand on corruption during his regime as well as the alleged enrichment from PTF.

@Kobojunkie: Found it! I was afraid I was going to have to retract my statement.

Anyway, take a look at this post:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ekitikete_of_Washington_Metropolitan/message/559

There is a word document which you can download, which describes the event:

Program of Event
Symposium: 10:00am-2:00pm
All Night party/Award Night start at 9:00pm
On Saturday August 29th, 2009  at Lighthouse Convention center
326 Tryon Road, Raleigh, North Carolina, 27603

and the following guests of honor:

Distinguished Guest of Honor
Most Reverend Felix Ajakaiye
                                              Catholic Bishop of Ekiti Diocese
Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu
Former Governor of Lagos State
and
Hon. Tunji Odeyemi
Speaker Ekiti State Assembly

Like I said, who knows, maybe Tinubu snuck into the US with some sort of fake identification. But with biometrics, fingerprinting and all of the things they use these days, I don't think it would be very easy for him to enter the country if he were truly an escaped felon. Certainly he won't be able to give talks in North Carolina, and announce it publicly!

Anyway, I'm not saying that Tinubu is by any means clean either. Laundering money is clearly a serious crime. But being indicted for a crime is very different from being convicted for it. He probably reached some sort of deal where he gave up all the money he was laundering to avoid any charges. As I said earlier, this to me seems not nearly as bad as Atiku bribing a whole US Congressman! Imagine, thousands of dollars in the congressman's freezer!

If you guys want to say that Tinubu's crimes commited in the US make him ineligible for office in Nigeria, then you have to apply the same standard universally and bar Atiku and all of the others. Do you guys realize how serious it is to bribe a whole Congressman?! Yet nobody is batting an eyelash.

Are you certain you answered the question you created your own self? You claimed he was in the USA, but all you came back with are postings of an event with no answer to the question.

Please keep the explanations to yourself. Tinubu has a record here that he needs to deal with. As many people have urged to do, up till now, look up the information so you get a better idea why people continue to come back to that issue, over and over. Honestly, you bore me with your silly conjectures, especially when it is all too obvious you have little knowledge of what you are going on and on about there.

What on earth are you talking about? Assuming that he was physically there, then nobody can bandy about these silly statements like he is physically barred from entering the US, as you did.

I'm not saying he is a saint. But you cannot add more sins to even the worst sinner. If he can come and go from the US freely, then you cannot claim that he is hiding and insinuate he is a convicted runaway felon, as you did.

Let's stick to the facts and not reduce this to drama and he-say she-say.

Kobojunkie:

Honestly, you bore me with your silly conjectures, especially when it is all too obvious you have little knowledge of what you are going on and on about there.

Just in case it is not clear, most of us here are not here for your entertainment. If bored, go find something else to do! No skin off my back.

DapoBear:

Just in case it is not clear, most of us here are not here for your entertainment. If bored, go find something else to do! No skin off my back.

Again, stop boring people with your lectures. Go do some research on the issue to at least catch up!

I have yet to say anything of him hiding or whatever it is you have jumped to . . . simply made it clear he was indicted of crimes here and have yet to return to his case. As of 2009, the DOJ reported it was still investigating the man. It is now all he-say-she-say because you refuse to do your research? I am not sure why you continue to comment on an issue you refuse to even get yourself better acquainted with. What do you hope to accomplish with that?

Well, others here can read and see what is what. You insinuated that the man is hiding from the US due to crimes he committed:

Kobojunkie:

Actually, Tinubu was indicted in Chicago – part of the reason why he fled back to Nigeria and has yet to be back. I am not sure why you need the CIA to probe him when he/ among many of the local champions you folks have down there in Nigeria, have cases keeping them from showing up here in the States.

And I demonstrated that this is very likely false, that he was in the US on a specific date and time, namely, August 29th, 2009 (again, under the reasonable assumption that the event actually occurred, he actually showed up there, etc.) So who are you trying to fool, really?

And then you have the arrogance to accuse others of making conjectures! Please, get that garbage out of here. We don't need any of this he-say she-say stuff that you seem to be fond of. Facts only, please.

Jakumo:

Thank you for successfully ignoring the truth of my post.   Just in case you missed the large red print I used above for your personal benefit, here is the prediction again :

[size=14pt]Buhari will lose ALL elections on which he wastes his stolen money, and then he will AGAIN launch costly FAILED lawsuits to protest his resounding electoral loss.  Finally we will LOSE all that stolen money on his hopeless pursuits of political power, before LOSING his miserable wasted life under very amusing circumstances[/size].

Dude, I think it is time to give it up!!! By the way, Your thread on how Electricity improved in Nigeria because of Goodluck Jonathan, based on lies !!!


ROFLMAO!!

I think with this strategy it will be hard for jonathan.If eventually he becomes pdp candidate in the election,Atiku,Gusau,ibb and the other northern forces would be casting their votes for buhari.jonathan will defintely lose .