IamAnderson:

oh and one more thing I forgot to add, the most popular variant of Caucasian that Nigerian breeders love to import is known as the Russian show type Caucasian which has two types, the show type and the working type.
this type of Caucasian usually has larger head size and fuller lips because it has genes of the Newfoundland dog inside it, the show line type has longer fur and bigger body mass while the working type has shorter fur and smaller body mass.
a lot of breeders in Nigeria breed for size so they go for the show line and sometimes cross it with working line which is why some people complain that their Caucasians aren't aggressive sometimes till adulthood, it's all because of breeding.
which is why if you've noticed, the smaller Caucasians with shorter fur are usually the ones that are more aggressive and ready to work.

Temperature determines the lenght of fur in animals.
The Cucs you see around temperate regions (Sub Saharan regions) have lesser fur compared to the ones you see in snowy environments for temperature regulation. It has nothing to do with working or show. Thanks.

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Before you post something online research bro, I know that it so looks like a corso because of the black colour but that's not how corsos are at all, the head, wide chest and body are all singing presa canario

Been following this page since 2015 as I joined Instagram 2014 and trying to learn more about different breeds of dogs. I didn't just mention a presa canario because I wanted to guess bro


You like this dog but I don't think you can even import its direct pup because;

1. They won't sell his top pup to you for some reasons I won't state here
2. The cost is something else, that dog is one of the best mastiff in the whole world today. That picture ain't photoshopped, the dog is just something else

IamAnderson:

so it's even a presa canario he posted? lmaoo
I don't know why people post pictures of enhanced one In a million dogs as a reference to how the breed is, I saw somebody using hulks picture to say that's how a pitbull is.
if you bring 5000 pitbulls bred naturally how many will look like hulk?

let's see if the one he'll import will look like the picture he posted or the regular cane corsos we see.

Vincent do you remember when I sent you dozens of Caucasian training videos from turkey and Russia? I don't know if you watched all.
where they how he's describing them now?

Yea I remember those videos, I was wowed while watching them I must admit

vincentjk:


Before you post something online research bro, I know that it so looks like a corso because of the black colour but that's not how corsos are at all, the head, wide chest and body are all singing presa canario

Been following this page since 2015 as I joined Instagram 2014 and trying to learn more about different breeds of dogs. I didn't just mention a presa canario because I wanted to guess bro


You like this dog but I don't think you can even import its direct pup because;

1. They won't sell his top pup to you for some reasons I won't state here
2. The cost is something else, that dog is one of the best mastiff in the whole world today. That picture ain't photoshopped, the dog is just something else

Jokes on you bruh
You want to be schooling me on dogs?? Hahahhahahha
I don't want to go into cane corso history and again Yeap it a pressar, my bad I must say and I don't want to go into oressar and corso history.

vincentjk:


Before you post something online research bro, I know that it so looks like a corso because of the black colour but that's not how corsos are at all, the head, wide chest and body are all singing presa canario

Been following this page since 2015 as I joined Instagram 2014 and trying to learn more about different breeds of dogs. I didn't just mention a presa canario because I wanted to guess bro


You like this dog but I don't think you can even import its direct pup because;

1. They won't sell his top pup to you for some reasons I won't state here
2. The cost is something else, that dog is one of the best mastiff in the whole world today. That picture ain't photoshopped, the dog is just something else

And again in a dog fight even though I'm not in support of dog fight u can't see a Caucasian in a dog fight. Who will put his bet on a Caucasian??

Spanishmilf:
And again in a dog fight even though I'm not in support of dog fight u can't see a Caucasian in a dog fight. Who will put his bet on a Caucasian??

Spanishmilf
post=86959056:
Jokes on you bruh
You want to be schooling me on dogs?? Hahahhahahha
I don't want to go into cane corso history and again Yeap it a pressar, my bad I must say and I don't want to go into oressar and corso history.

But! But!! you just mistook a presa for a corso and i put you through.

Well maybe you're right bro, discussion closed before e result to another thing

frowland:


Temperature determines the lenght of fur in animals.
The Cucs you see around temperate regions (Sub Saharan regions) have lesser fur compared to the ones you see in snowy environments for temperature regulation. It has nothing to do with working or show. Thanks.

nah you're wrong, a short coat dog will not turn into a long coat dog because you moved it to snowy environment.
a long coat dog will not turn into a short coat dog because you moved it to hot environment.
a lot of breeds have long coat and short coat variations, temperature helps but their are actually short and long coat animals.

frowland:


Temperature determines the lenght of fur in animals.
The Cucs you see around temperate regions (Sub Saharan regions) have lesser fur compared to the ones you see in snowy environments for temperature regulation. It has nothing to do with working or show. Thanks.

these are the popular variants of the Caucasian dog
Armenian Caucasian shepherd dogs come in two varieties, being either longhaired and very large, or slightly smaller with a medium length coat in a wolf grey colour.

Georgian variants are very tall and heavy with the breed’s signature huge head, and come in a short haired variety, known as the Kazbek type, and a long haired variety too.

The Daghestsan variant has short, multi-coloured fur, and is tall, athletic and active.

Turkish Caucasian shepherd dogs are in themselves divided into four types: Gorban, Circassian, Kars and Georgian Akhaltsikhe.

The Gorban variant consists of crossing of the Kars type with the Kangal, and other crossings of the Turkish variants with the Georgian and Armenian strains.

The Akhaltsihnske, native to Georgia, was developed by crossing Gorbans with a Georgian variant, to produce a more lightweight dog than most of the other Caucasian shepherds with a single coloured coat in either white, grey or fawn.

The Circassian variant was produced by crossing the Cherkes dog with the Kangal dog, after the Cherkes was first brought to Turkey in the years following the Russian-Circassian wars.

The Kars dog is today regarded as a separate breed in its own right, and no longer as a Caucasian shepherd dog variant.

The Kabardino-Balkarian region possesses a dog known as the Astrakhan type, which is widely thought to consist of a mixed crossing of the Caucasian shepherd, Georgian mountain dog and Circassian.

The Volkodav dog is smaller than either the Georgian or Armenian strains, and can be either long haired (the mountain dog) or short haired (the steppe dog) with a black mask.

Another dog that originated with the Caucasian shepherd dog is the Iranian Sage Ghafghazi, produced from crossing the Kars with other dogs of the region, and this dog is classed as an Iranian Caucasian dog.

One rather unusual Caucasian dog is the North Caucasian Volkodov, which is currently attempting to gain recognition as a separate breed in its own right

the most common type is the Russian show type which is divided into the working type and the show type. that's the type that a lot of Nigerian breeders pick because of their appearance, they have genes of the Newfoundland dog inside them so they have large heads and fuller lips

Spanishmilf:
And again in a dog fight even though I'm not in support of dog fight u can't see a Caucasian in a dog fight. Who will put his bet on a Caucasian??

this statement you made now shows you don't even know what you're saying.
go and research about the breed and watch videos of them in action.
do you think people struggle to train a stubborn and hard to train breed for nothing?
why not just go for easier breeds?, why do they struggle with the Caucasian shepherd and dogs like it?

IamAnderson:

nah you're wrong, a short coat dog will not turn into a long coat dog because you moved it to snowy environment.
a long coat dog will not turn into a short coat dog because you moved it to hot environment.
a lot of breeds have long coat and short coat variations, temperature helps but their are actually short and long coat animals.

I don't know how you spool out all this your information but I can assure you that you are completely wrong on this one. I monitor your posts and how you comment and in some cases sound like all-knowing but on this particular issue, you are wrong.
It is a fact that animals grow fur during winter and shed during summer/spring to enable them regulate body temperature and Cucs are no different. Feed a cucs well and keep him cool all year round and you see the fur come our majestically.

frowland:


I don't know how you spool out all this your information but I can assure you that you are completely wrong on this one. I monitor your posts and how you comment and in some cases sound like all-knowing but on this particular issue, you are wrong.
It is a fact that animals grow fur during winter and shed during summer/spring to enable them regulate body temperature and Cucs are no different. Feed a cucs well and keep him cool all year round and you see the fur come our majestically.

so you're trying to say there's no such thing as short coat and long coat that it all depends on temperature?
okay then tell us why naturally short coat dogs like mastiffs and rotts don't miraculously grow long fur even in a snowy climate?
1st pic is a short coat Caucasian shepherd in a snowy climate
2nd pic is a long coat Caucasian shepherd in the same snowy climate
3rd pic is a long coat Caucasian shepherd from pet love kennel in Nigeria, did the fur disappear or still remain long coat?
why didn't the short coat Caucasian in the first pic grow fur like the long coat even in the same climate?
why didn't the long coat Caucasian turn to a short coat even as it was bred in Nigeria?
temperature is a factor in determining coat length yes but the major thing is genetics, a dog cannot jump from long to short or vice versa because of temperature.
do you think the short coat Caucasians we have in Nigeria will miraculously become like the one's we see in Russia if it snows?
why do you think they shave Caucasians in Russia when the weather is too hot?
why not leave them to shed naturally if temperature determines the coat length?

IamAnderson:

so you're trying to say there's no such thing as short coat and long coat that it all depends on temperature?
okay then tell us why naturally short coat dogs like mastiffs and rotts don't miraculously grow long fur even in a snowy climate?
1st pic is a short coat Caucasian shepherd in a snowy climate
2nd pic is a long coat Caucasian shepherd in the same snowy climate
3rd pic is a long coat Caucasian shepherd from pet love kennel in Nigeria, did the fur disappear or still remain long coat?
why didn't the short coat Caucasian in the first pic grow fur like the long coat even in the same climate?
why didn't the long coat Caucasian turn to a short coat even as it was bred in Nigeria?
temperature is a factor in determining coat length yes but the major thing is genetics, a dog cannot jump from long to short or vice versa because of temperature.
do you think the short coat Caucasians we have in Nigeria will miraculously become like the one's we see in Russia if it snows?
why do you think they shave Caucasians in Russia when the weather is too hot?
why not leave them to shed naturally if temperature determines the coat length?

So what is the difference between those pictures you spool out of google? Did you border to ask the respective owners go give you periodic pictures of their dog all year round?
That dog with fur, if you bring it to southern Nigeria without adequate cooling arrangement and good nutrition will definitely not grow long and tick fur. All this your long epistle does not deviate from fact.

this is kira akuma and her brother Ozzy, they are both Caucasian shepherds and they come from a bloodline of short coat shepherds, the last dog is there father Osaka.
watch the fur lenght as the weather changes and see if they miraculously became long coat because it snowed

frowland:


So what is the difference between those pictures you spool out of google? Did you border to ask the respective owners go give you periodic pictures of their dog all year round?
That dog with fur, if you bring it to southern Nigeria without adequate cooling arrangement and good nutrition will definitely not grow long and tick fur. All this your long epistle does not deviate from fact.

what do you mean what's the difference between the picures I posted? are you even reading what I typed at all?
the second comment I posted is from a family of short coat shepherds pictured at different weathers you can inspect the coats there too

i don't even understand your second sentence

and my long epistle if you actually read it showed that temperature cannot change a dog's genetics.
I've seen imported long coat shepherds that still remained long coat even with the heat, even in the coldest places, short coat dogs exist

IamAnderson:

these are the popular variants of the Caucasian dog
Armenian Caucasian shepherd dogs come in two varieties, being either longhaired and very large, or slightly smaller with a medium length coat in a wolf grey colour.

Georgian variants are very tall and heavy with the breed’s signature huge head, and come in a short haired variety, known as the Kazbek type, and a long haired variety too.

The Daghestsan variant has short, multi-coloured fur, and is tall, athletic and active.

Turkish Caucasian shepherd dogs are in themselves divided into four types: Gorban, Circassian, Kars and Georgian Akhaltsikhe.

The Gorban variant consists of crossing of the Kars type with the Kangal, and other crossings of the Turkish variants with the Georgian and Armenian strains.

The Akhaltsihnske, native to Georgia, was developed by crossing Gorbans with a Georgian variant, to produce a more lightweight dog than most of the other Caucasian shepherds with a single coloured coat in either white, grey or fawn.

The Circassian variant was produced by crossing the Cherkes dog with the Kangal dog, after the Cherkes was first brought to Turkey in the years following the Russian-Circassian wars.

The Kars dog is today regarded as a separate breed in its own right, and no longer as a Caucasian shepherd dog variant.

The Kabardino-Balkarian region possesses a dog known as the Astrakhan type, which is widely thought to consist of a mixed crossing of the Caucasian shepherd, Georgian mountain dog and Circassian.

The Volkodav dog is smaller than either the Georgian or Armenian strains, and can be either long haired (the mountain dog) or short haired (the steppe dog) with a black mask.

Another dog that originated with the Caucasian shepherd dog is the Iranian Sage Ghafghazi, produced from crossing the Kars with other dogs of the region, and this dog is classed as an Iranian Caucasian dog.

One rather unusual Caucasian dog is the North Caucasian Volkodov, which is currently attempting to gain recognition as a separate breed in its own right

the most common type is the Russian show type which is divided into the working type and the show type. that's the type that a lot of Nigerian breeders pick because of their appearance, they have genes of the Newfoundland dog inside them so they have large heads and fuller lips

did you read this one too frowland?
you can clearly see the variants and their fur length stated, temperature cannot change genetics.
they all come from the same area but have different looks and fur length.
not all Caucasians are long coat, even in the snow

IamAnderson:

did you read this one too frowland?
you can clearly see the variants and their fur length stated, temperature cannot change genetics.
they all come from the same area but have different looks and fur length.
not all Caucasians are long coat, even in the snow

I don't have time reading all this. You can try harder.

frowland:


I don't have time reading all this. You can try harder.

so you admit the truth is in your face but you don't have strength to read it?
and what do you mean I should try harder?, I've even brought picture slides to defend my statement what have you done?
it's very clear for whoever wants to read to read

this is what AKC says about it

IamAnderson:
this is what AKC says about it

You might be right about differences in coat and the fact that temperature does not determine genetics. But what I'm surprised at is where you got the Showline and Working line thing in Caucasian from....where did you get that from?

I read all your previous posts on the types and non actually made a clarification on this Showline and Working line thing in a Caucasian. I'm very surprised because I know experts and breeders in the Caucasian world and I have never heard this your claim from anyone of them, not even from Irina in Russia. You might need to convince us the more...

phunkypalace:


You might be right about differences in coat and the fact that temperature does not determine genetics. But what I'm surprised at is where you got the Showline and Working line thing in Caucasian from....where did you get that from?

I read all your previous posts on the types and non actually made a clarification on this Showline and Working line thing in a Caucasian. I'm very surprised because I know experts and breeders in the Caucasian world and I have never heard this your claim from anyone of them, not even from Irina in Russia. You might need to convince us the more...

tbh a lot of Caucasian Shepherd breeders won't also tell you that there are a lot of variants of the breed.
they usually grade purity of the dogs bases on appearance, the Russian show type is the most popular variant of the breed and it is the most exported,that is the type a lot of breeders bring into the continent.
that doesn't mean that any Caucasian that isn't long coat,very thick and huge is impure, the Russian show type has traces of Newfoundland dog in it which is what gives it that appearance.
some have traces of Georgian Shepherd which adds pathes of colors on their fur,some have traces of the Armenian gampr in them and they are usually short coat with fawn coloured fur, some have traces of Yugoslavian Shepherd in them which makes their features less defined and their size smaller.
during importation the Russian show type is picked because it's the most attractive not because it's how all Caucasians are supposed to look.
even in Russia you will see so many types of Caucasian Shepherds with different structures and colours, it's here that we see pure bred dogs all having the same bear like look because that's what people consider attractive and that's what sells the most.
and yes the Russian show type has working and show line types
the breed has a very complex history and breeding history, it's not just something you can pick one and say this is how a Caucasian dog should look.
even a simple google search alone will show you different looking dogs all answering the same name.
they can be black,brown,reddish brown, white,yellow, fawn, brindle,pie-bald e.t.c
I added a screenshot of a segment of an article on the Russian show type variant to show you the working and show line types

I brought some pics to better illustrate my point
1st pic is the early depiction of the Caucasian Shepherd notice how the breed changed over the years? years of selective breeding and cross breeding has turned it into the bear dog we know now
2nd pic is a Caucasian Shepherd with Georgian Shepherd genes, notice the colours?
3rd is the Caucasian Shepherd with Armenian gampr genes
3rd is the Russian show type we see the most, the one with Newfoundland dog in it's genes

these ones are just to show that not all Caucasian strains are big or even have black masks or thick fur.
their are even more variations I can post, the breed is very diverse and it doesn't just have one look.
if you do a thorough research on them you'll see some that you won't even call purebred Caucasians if you see them but they are purebred just different from what we're used to

then this is a Newfoundland dog, the dog that was used to get the Russian show type Caucasian.
mere looking at it's face and head you can tell it's responsible for the "big head" thick hairy Caucasians we see being sold everywhere

also the different strains have different temperaments sometimes

phunkypalace i hope I was able to answer your question

IamAnderson:
phunkypalace i hope I was able to answer your question

Oh...yes, you did. I actually had to ask some questions from some of them...though some had no idea, but some said you might be right after all. So we keep an open mind. Well done.

IamAnderson:
then this is a Newfoundland dog, the dog that was used to get the Russian show type Caucasian.
mere looking at it's face and head you can tell it's responsible for the "big head" thick hairy Caucasians we see being sold everywhere

also the different strains have different temperaments sometimes

Always backing your claims with proofs, nice one bro as I just learnt a thing or two from this thread already. Spanishmilf hope we're good bro??

vincentjk:


Always backing your claims with proofs, nice one bro as I just learnt a thing or two from this thread already. Spanishmilf hope we're good bro??

Sure

phunkypalace:


Oh...yes, you did. I actually had to ask some questions from some of them...though some had no idea, but some said you might be right after all. So we keep an open mind. Well done.

okay then no problem bro

vincentjk:


Always backing your claims with proofs, nice one bro as I just learnt a thing or two from this thread already. Spanishmilf hope we're good bro??

lol thanks bro,you're welcome

IamAnderson:

lol thanks bro,you're welcome

IamAnderson is tempting me to believe that he is infallible. He has never lost an argument. Infact he wins arguments convincingly with more than the required evidence. Caps off bro.

UniportAgbero:


IamAnderson is tempting me to believe that he is infallible. He has never lost an argument. Infact he wins arguments convincingly with more than the required evidence. Caps off bro.

thank you very much, I'm flattered

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