Matthew 27:50-56 refers to those who died believing in God through the Mosaic law; Jesus death and resurrection brought them out of their waiting realm and gave them access into God's presence.
1 Peter 3:18-21; refers to the prison for the disobedient in the days of Noah as a pointer to the fact that Christ died to set free all those who died in disobedience from creation till his death and resurrection including every other human being because "God has concluded all men sinners from the sin of Adam so that through Jesus Christ death on the Cross and Resurrection that He might show all men mercy" (Romans 11:32)

Revelation 20:11-15 confirms that there are other realms from which human souls will come for judgment
"And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away]. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth]. 13 And *the sea* gave up the dead who were in it, and *death and Hades* (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them; and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds. 14 Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God]. 15 And if [e]anyone’s name was not found [f]written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire."

if you look closely at Verse-13; you will see *the sea*, *death and hades* are *realms* from which human souls will be vomited outside of *earth* will come for the white throne judgment however *hades and death continues to exist until the final judgment when it will be cast into hell-fire(gehenna) which is the second death* including *all the dead whose names are not found written in the book of life* according to verses 14 & 15.

So there are *realms* apart from Heaven, Earth, Hell-Fire were human souls also exist.

This passage Revelation 20:11-15 is not referring to those who *believe in Jesus Christ* whether biologically dead or alive *at the trumpet of the Archangels* rather all unbelievers in the gospel thus they are called *the dead*; anybody who does not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified is a dead-being whether biologically dead or alive.

Revelation 20:1-10 will show you how the righteous through faith in Christ will be given crowns and thrones to join the lamb and other saints to judge the unbelievers who were not part of the 1st resurrection now tagged *the dead* from verse-11 to 15.

Hebrews 11:39-40 confirms that the *saints in Christ Jesus Crucified* will not be crowned until all of us who believe and are biologically alive gather in the presence of God together with them which will be at the trumpet of the Archangels as 1 Thessalonians.4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; John 5:25-29.
"39 And all of these, though they gained [divine] approval through their faith, did not receive [the fulfillment of] what was promised, 40 because God had us in mind and had something better for us, so that they [these men and women of authentic faith] would *not be made perfect [that is, completed in Him] apart from us*." (Hebrews 11:39-40 amp)

1 Peter 3:18-21 gives us confirmation that there is *a realm where souls who are disobedient have access to Jesus Christ visitation to proclaim the gospel and lead them into his presence*
however a very clear fact about these human souls is *they are sinners under the motions of sin inherited by every human being through the disobedience of Adam but they did not have the opportunity of hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified before they died* hence Jesus Christ goes to visit them, proclaim the gospel to them as He did for those in 1 Peter 3:18-21. He continues to do this until the trumpet of the Archangels when we must have shared the gospel to the whole of Creation as a witness to them
thus
Matthew 24:14 Amplified Bible (AMP)
14 "This good news of the kingdom [the gospel] will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end [of the age] will come."

So it is correct to believe that there is a realm for the dead human souls who did not hear the gospel of Jesus Christ before they died, but they were sinners based upon inherited flesh/sin from Adam and they have Jesus Christ visit them to proclaim the gospel to them as He did for those in 1 Peter 3:18-21. This realm is called prison according to the bible others may call it purgatory; it will exist till the last judgment when it will be finally cast into hell-fire along with all those human souls whose names were not found written in the lamb's book of life according to Revelation 20:11-15.

People in this cadre may include aborted children and all those who did not hear the gospel of Jesus Christ Crucified from any human being before their biological death, it has nothing to do with those who heard the gospel and rejected it or those who believed the gospel and later returned back to the vomit of sin and flesh whether it is called small sin or big sin. The only producer of sin in human being is *the flesh* and anyone who holds unto the flesh after hearing the gospel then dies in such state has condemned himself unto hell-fire hence no prayer can save such a person
thus
"John 3:18 Amplified Bible (AMP)
18 "Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; *but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already* [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because [a]he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him]."

John 3:36 Amplified Bible (AMP)
36 He who believes and trusts in the Son and accepts Him [as Savior] has eternal life [that is, already possesses it]; *but he who does not believe the Son and chooses to reject Him, [disobeying Him and denying Him as Savior] will not see [eternal] life, but [instead] the wrath of God hangs over him continually*."

This is what John was talking about when he said *sin not unto death* which is any sin you commit while you are still alive, someone can pray for, share the word with you and help you return to the Crucified Jesus Christ for *restoration/salvation/sanctification* because there is no sin while on earth that Jesus Christ cannot forgive (Mark 3:28)
however *sin unto death is a sin that someone dies biologically while committing it* after hearing the gospel there is *no prayer for such a human soul salvation in the grave*
thus
"1 John 5:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death."

Great Grace Brethren!!!

There is only Heaven and Hellfire when the world is ended.

There is nothing like purgatory. The Bible says the sea gave up the dead.

From some knowledge I had about advanced race of annunaki giants sleeping in a stasis chamber for thousands of years, I think these people found a way to keep their souls from moving out of their bodies. And preserve their bodies for a long time. These sleeping Chambers of annunakis have been discovered by common men in India. The higher ones discovered by the governments around the world are never published.

mrZENographer:

There is only Heaven and Hellfire when the world is ended.

There is nothing like purgatory. The Bible says the sea gave up the dead.

From some knowledge I had about advanced race of annunaki giants sleeping in a stasis chamber for thousands of years, I think these people found a way to keep their souls from moving out of their bodies. And preserve their bodies for a long time. These sleeping Chambers of annunakis have been discovered by common men in India. The higher ones discovered by the governments around the world are never published.

Did you see "the sea gave up the dead", "death and hades gave up their dead", "then death and hades will be thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death" ?

What is your own interpretation to those other realm mentioned in that scriptural passage *apart from the sea* that you mentioned ?

ochibuogwu5:


Did you see "the sea gave up the dead", "death and hades gave up their dead", "then death and hades will be thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death" ?

What is your own interpretation to those other realm mentioned in that scriptural passage *apart from the sea* that you mentioned ?

Death (spirit) is in Hades and Hades is Hell. Which is the place where the damned goes.
Perhaps you use another interpretation. Because it says Hell in KJV.

There are only two place for the souls of men either heaven or hell (hades).
The resurrection of the day is a physical one, many who died even in the sea will be brought out through the sea, it does not mean their souls are in the sea. For them the sea os their grave, the grave is a portal through which the souls of the departed enter hades (hell) and death is the power that keep souls in hades (hell). On the day of resurrection death will lose its power and those in hell will be thrown out through their respective graves(portals) in their bodies to face the Judgment of God.
Same thing will take place during the resurrection of the righteous but the righteous are not in hades but in heaven where Jesus is from where there souls will be united to their bodies through their respective grave, their bodies would be like that of Jesus.

mrZENographer:


Death (spirit) is in Hades and Hades is Hell. Which is the place where the damned goes.
Perhaps you use another interpretation. Because it says Hell in KJV.

Please can you be honest to yourself for once and stop jamming everything together.
Did you read Revelation 20:11-15 very well, did you see were John said that sea will eject/vomit the dead inside it, death and Hades will give eject/vomit the dead inside it, did you see were it stated that *death and Hades will be cast into the lake of fire* which is second-death. How can Hades be cast into hell-fire then you are still insisting that Hades and hell-fire are the same thing ?

Please this is not a thread for making arguments that is not worthy to be called argument because the letters of the Scriptures here are very plain. Great Grace!!!

ochibuogwu5:


Please can you be honest to yourself for once and stop jamming everything together.
Did you read Revelation 20:11-15 very well, did you see were John said that sea will eject/vomit the dead inside it, death and Hades will give eject/vomit the dead inside it, did you see were it stated that *death and Hades will be cast into the lake of fire* which is second-death. How can Hades be cast into hell-fire then you are still insisting that Hades and hell-fire are the same thing ?

Please this is not a thread for making arguments that is not worthy to be called argument because the letters of the Scriptures here are very plain. Great Grace!!!

It's not your fault but the Bible interpretation you are using.
Hellfire is different from the Lake of fire.

In the last judgement, hellfire will be cast into the lake of fire.

Moreover when you mentioned 'other realms'. There is only one different realm mentioned here and that is hellfire.
Death is not a realm, and the Sea is part of the Earth. So why are you saying 'other realms'?

The only realm mentioned are Heaven, Hell, Sea (Earth) and Lake of fire.
And your topic says "apart from Heaven and Hell"

mrZENographer:


It's not your fault but the Bible interpretation you are using.
Hellfire is different from the Lake of fire.

In the last judgement, hellfire will be cast into the lake of fire.

Moreover when you mentioned 'other realms'. There is only one different realm mentioned here and that is hellfire.
Death is not a realm, and the Sea is part of the Earth. So why are you saying 'other realms'?

The only realm mentioned are Heaven, Hell, Earth (Sea) and Lake of fire.
And your topic says "apart from Heaven and Hell"

please it is not any interpretation of mine or my bible version;
go and search for *original scripture manuscripts*
hades is the correct word used and not hell-fire.

Try to read the scriptures pertaining to this write-up especially Revelation 20:11-15 *without a concluded mindset* use any bible version you like then watch-out for these;

Revelation 20:11-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
The Final Judgment
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence *earth and heaven fled away*, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away]. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth]. 13 *And the sea* gave up the dead who were in it, *and death and Hades* (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them; and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds. 14* Then death and Hades* [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God]. 15 And if [a]anyone’s name was not found [b]written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.

Earth and Heaven in which we currently dwell *flew away*... verse-11
The dead were standing before the throne after earth and heaven have flown away....verse-12
*and The sea* gave up the dead who were in it,...which is an addition to the previous dead mentioned in verse-12
*and death and hades* surrendered the dead in them....another set of the dead previous from others already mentioned....
*then death and hades* were thrown into the lake of fire....which is an event that will take place after the *ejection of the dead within its chambers*...

According to Jesus Christ teaching here, you will understand that hell-fire is the same as the lake of fire or the Second death "42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe and trust in Me to stumble [that is, to sin or lose faith], it would be better for him if a heavy millstone [one requiring a donkey’s strength to turn it] were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to stumble and sin, cut it off [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]! It is better for you to enter life crippled, than to have two hands and go into [g]hell, into the unquenchable fire, 44 [h][where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out.] 45 If your foot causes you to stumble and sin, cut it off [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]! It would be better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell, 46 [i][where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out.] 47 If your eye causes you to stumble and sin, throw it out [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]! It would be better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where their worm [that feeds on the dead] does not die, and the fire is not put out.

49 “For everyone will be salted with fire." (Mark 9:42-49 amp)

Another scripture that confirms that those in this realm of hell-fire or lake of fire or second death will be salted with fire, unending cries, tears and agony
"he too will [have to] drink of the wine of the wrath of God, [b]mixed undiluted into the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone (flaming sulfur) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb (Christ). 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night—those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
(Revelation 14:10-11 amp)

Therefore hell-fire is the same as lake of fire or second death but it is not the same with *hades*
Great Grace!!!

ochibuogwu5:


please it is not any interpretation of mine or my bible version;
go and search for *original scripture manuscripts*
hades is the correct word used and not hell-fire.

Try to read the scriptures pertaining to this write-up especially Revelation 20:11-15 *without a concluded mindset* use any bible version you like then watch-out for these;

Revelation 20:11-15 Amplified Bible (AMP)
The Final Judgment
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence *earth and heaven fled away*, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away]. 12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life; and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books [that is, everything done while on earth]. 13 *And the sea* gave up the dead who were in it, *and death and Hades* (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them; and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds. 14* Then death and Hades* [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God]. 15 And if [a]anyone’s name was not found [b]written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.

Earth and Heaven in which we currently dwell *flew away*... verse-11
The dead were standing before the throne after earth and heaven have flown away....verse-12
*and The sea* gave up the dead who were in it,...which is an addition to the previous dead mentioned in verse-12
*and death and hades* surrendered the dead in them....another set of the dead previous from others already mentioned....
*then death and hades* were thrown into the lake of fire....which is an event that will take place after the *ejection of the dead within its chambers*...

According to Jesus Christ teaching here, you will understand that hell-fire is the same as the lake of fire or the Second death "42 “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe and trust in Me to stumble [that is, to sin or lose faith], it would be better for him if a heavy millstone [one requiring a donkey’s strength to turn it] were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. 43 If your hand causes you to stumble and sin, cut it off [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]! It is better for you to enter life crippled, than to have two hands and go into [g]hell, into the unquenchable fire, 44 [h][where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out.] 45 If your foot causes you to stumble and sin, cut it off [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]! It would be better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell, 46 [i][where their worm does not die, and the fire is not put out.] 47 If your eye causes you to stumble and sin, throw it out [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]! It would be better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where their worm [that feeds on the dead] does not die, and the fire is not put out.

49 “For everyone will be salted with fire." (Mark 9:42-49 amp)

Another scripture that confirms that those in this realm of hell-fire or lake of fire or second death will be salted with fire, unending cries, tears and agony
"he too will [have to] drink of the wine of the wrath of God, [b]mixed undiluted into the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone (flaming sulfur) in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb (Christ). 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night—those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
(Revelation 14:10-11 amp)

Therefore hell-fire is the same as lake of fire or second death but it is not the same with *hades*
Great Grace!!!

Psalm 55:15
Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: