Sammy07:


Seems have seen Liru somewhere here on NL

Are you his??

He is on NL. Yeah, I'm his.

maynation:

He is on NL. Yeah, I'm his.

Good to hear that tho.

maynation:

Ore doesn't even speak Ondo at all, they speak a mixed language between Ikale and all these Ibadan/osun/kwara languages because of how these set of people are much in the town. The indigenous occupants speak more of Ikale.
Ekimogun is Ondo town, please learn. The highest you can do is to add okeigbo but definitely not odigbo. We don't have to argue over this.

What are you saying, who told you Ore dialect doesn't sound Ondo? The prominent and indigenous dialects in Odigbo , ( Ore headquarters) are Ondo dialect and Ikale , Odigbo is at the centre of Ondo and Okitipupa , that's the reason for their languages being spoken.

All the Koololos ( Oyo/Osun/Kwara.......) are visitors and you don't take their accent to be Odigbo language...

Odigbo speak Ondo language while some Ikale , they are bilingual, that's fact!

He can't even add Okeigbo because they speak like Ife people , Ife language ( Ken n boo tiri?)

Ondo - like dialects cover Ondo West LG, Ondo East LG, Ile - oluji, Idanre and Odigbo.

Sammy07 Sammy07

tpia:


Are you referring to the Okeigbo that speaks Oyo or is there another Okeigbo?

Okeigbo speak like Ife people and not Ondo , I told her.

maynation:

You are more confused that I initially thought, did you just say Ode Aye? Seriously you are saying gibberish. Ode Aye is even after Ore, just before getting to Okitipupa. Ode Aye is under Okitipupa LGA which is strictly an Ikale ethnic group. How could you skip Odigbo LGA to share boundary with the far Off Ode Aye? Stop reading nonsense online, I have visited and spent some couple of days in almost all the towns in Ondo state including the small villages.
Ekimogun is strictly Ondo town, Odigbo is more of Ikale. ODE aye is Ikale, Owena is okeigbo LGA they don't even associate with Ekinmogun although their languages are almost the same.
Don't just sit at the comfort of your town and read lies online only to come argue with someone that has explored Ondo state and her entirety.

You are getting a lot of things wrong , and I pity the ignorant people who liked your post but couldn't see the correction....

First and foremost, the Owena he referred to is Owena in Ondo East LG beside Idanre , that's one of the towns and villages used by Ondo people as farms and abode, the headquarters is in bolorunduro and NOT the Owena on the Ore express road ok?

And what he was saying if you get your Geography and bearing right, is that he placed Ondo kingdom at the centre , and extended eastward (Owena/Idanre) , southward (Odeaye) and westward (Oluwa river, Ife direction) and what he was saying in summary is that there was an all side extension of Ondo from the centre before it was delimited / cut by boundaries into various local goverment...
He referenced periods before this current structure, where people/tribe were extending in all fronts before they were cut into different local goverment by boundaries, don't forget some ethnic group/tribe can develope or give rise to other via migration and resettlement and as time goes on the new tribe will become a distinct tribe but still similar in a way to the older one .......

His claim is that Ondo people extended in various front before delimitation/cut into boundaries under different local goverment today or evolved into other similar tribes.

Although I won't exaggerate to his level of point but just to tell you his point.

Sammy07

maynation:


Please don't just come here and interfere in something you have no idea of.
That was how you created foolish thread mentioning my name and Jgirl's asking for proofs of something that is none of your business.
How can okeigbo/Ileoluji speak Oyo? Oponu.

You don't have to abuse him , although you added the two towns together ILE OLUJI /OKEIGBO and they are still under the same local government today and there was a move for creation of separate ILE OLUJI local government during Mimiko/Akeredolu government but it hasn't seen the light of the day.....now here is the gist, Okeigbo may not speak Oyo language but what they speak is like Ife language, and don't forget Okeigbo and Ile oluji are far apart especially when you are taking Ondo route.....what they have in common is just the bush/forest that cover major of their local governments, the distinct towns themselves are well separated and not in the same direction...,

Ile oluji dialect is 95 to 99% Ondo dialect while Okeigbo speaks like IFe people due to their proximity to the place okay!?

So wise up!

maynation:

Please try and travel first or make very good use of the internet.

I even found this while searching for Odigbo. Don't argue what you don't know. Peace.

Sammy07
They speak Ondo - like dialect come to Ajue /Odigbo town gangan

maynation:

Please try and travel first or make very good use of the internet.

I even found this while searching for Odigbo. Don't argue what you don't know. Peace.

They consider some as strangers paapaa 🤣😂
Sammy07

alfredilly:


The poster understand the basis of his argument. Odigbo local government has indeginous people who speak variant of Ondo dialect. The are also have historical ties to Ondo city, although Ore which is the head quarter of Odigbo local government has a large presence of Ikale, there are also other settler like Oyo and Osun in overwhelming presence despite having no indigenous root in the state. The land in Ore are still being sold by the Odigbos. Ile Oluji is also a neighbouring local government to the Odigbos and they speak a dialect that is almost similar to Ondo kingdom. The Idanre are likely related to Ekimogun too as reflected in their dialect.

You meant Ile oluji is also a neighbouring local goverment to Ondo .


maynation

maynation:


Sorry for the ban.

See my dear, I insist you should stop following what you read online. For instance, history will tell you ondo indigines are from Oyo, does it now make any sense for Oyo people to start laying claims to possessing Ondo people? Igbos claim to be from Isreal,apart from the baloney it is, does it make any reasonable sense? People pass these distorted histories around but there are no proofs of them. Only people desperate to make fables as points make use of them at times. It doesn't change the fact that it is mainly a tale.

Secondly, did you just talk about Emigrants? What has that got to do with our argument? Don't we have yorubas in the North? Can we then lay claims to the city they are based? That is a very laughable point.


Mind you, those towns you listed at your last lines never at any point belong to Ondo or Ekimogun.
Ajue, Bagbe and Co are odigbo, Omotosho is Ikale, Ajebandele is in oniparaga more of Ogun state boarder although still Ondo state.
Please if you want to keep making false claims then I'm done with this conversation.
I advise you to say what you know, not what you read online.
Peace.

You are taking matter too far with the old narratives of Ondo came from Ife ( not Oyo anyway) and Igbo from Israel ( if true, there will be a genetic evidence anyway regardless of the distance)...

But what you should understand is, when an area is the first place to be colonized by some set of people
( first settler/aborigines) within a larger unoccupied/bushy area say in this case Ondo city ( Ondo town ) , then these people will extend their tentacles to neighbouring unoccupied territories, they may start from using the space for farming then settlements ,( don't forget this is an unoccupied territories ), then they grow from clusters to a bigger entity , that's how towns and distinct tribe develope.
Understand that we humans existed in small groups before today , then the original settlers / aborigines can then extend their reach to the neighbouring unoccupied land ......so that's the small geography.

And he is not talking about mere MODERN MIGRATION where people whom you know their origins/original homes move from one place to another .
e.g Emeka movement from Enugu/Imo to Kano..
Always get the gist and don't confuse yourself.

Seerade029

membranus:


Ondo town has never ever had all those Ikale towns. Ikale kingdom is too large, diverse and very hard for Ondo to ever dare to dominate.

Take this from a proud Ikale Prince

It may not come in form of domination but there is proximity, these people are neighbours and share similar languages, so which of these groups gave rise to the other?

Sammy07

maynation:



Did you read through my arguments with him?
I never said Ikale can lay claims to Odibo, I said Odigbo is more of Ikale than Ondo. To even broaden my point, Ikale has a case in court fighting over the ownership of Araromi Obu? That is to tell you what it is. Secondly you don't judge the nativity of people by their political affilation. We have Igbo reps in lagos, is lagos an Igbo state? James Faleke claims Kogi state and yet held a political seat in Lagos. It happens every where.

And then you said he knows what he is saying, so Omotosho, Ode Aye, Ajebandele are Ekinmogun?
Ondo town is Ekinmogun.

Firstly, if I want to be fair with you , I will say Odigbo is in-between Ondo and Okitipupa , so some parts closer to Okitipupa while some Ondo kingdom .......
Ajue , Odigbo towns speak Ondo my friend!
So you can't say Odigbo is more of Ikale than Ondo , let me say they both have presence and influence on the region.

The court case is that, it is Araromi Obu that are repelling the ikales not to lay claim on their ancestral land , saying non of the obas in history has ever been Ikale but now ikale wants to lay claim ( as seen in some parts of land they have dispute on), so get that right.

Your example of there are Igbos in Lagos , James faleke from kogi in Lagos is irrelevant and unintelligent in this case .......is igboland in boundaries with Lagos or is kogi close to Lagos , don't always compare people who moved from their KNOWN ORIGINs (Mere modern travelling) for greener pasture TO places with common boundaries and common ancestry ( similar people.)..e.g Ikale vs Odigbo vs Ondo , so igbo in lagos who travelled to the southwest is not relevant in this case.

Third point , the guy was talking period before today's structure when people were just extending from their source and with little or no distinction of the people from one another but you are laying emphasy on today's structure where will now have distinction of similar people who are under different local government ( in animal kingdom, it is called speciation), at least attestation to their closeness is still found in their languages today .....be it ondo , ile oluji , idanre, ikale they are similar people........

Alfredilly

membranus:


Ajue, odigbo, igba and the likes are former Ondo town farmlands that developed into townships. That's understandable. But Araromi Obu is a typical Ikale land, Ondo people were just allowed as settlers there.

As per Ikale people being land grabbers, that's a lie from the pit of hell. We are too peaceful and accomodating for that.

Or do you have any history of Ikale grabbing your Ilaje land?

That's a big lie! Araromi Obu are repelling Ikales who are known for land grabbing, as seen in the court cases against ikale , you may see it ....
Summary Araromi Obu is not not a typical ikale land.

Alfredilly

maynation:


You just validated one of my initial points when Sammy said Ore speak Ondo, I told him they speak more of Ikale mixed with Osun/Oyo/Kwara and this is because of their very plenty populations.
You also validated my claim that although Ileoluji/Okeigbo have very similar languages with Ondo people but they are dissociated from Ekinmogun.

I don't even know what you are arguing with me over.

Mind you, below is a proof of Ikale being majority in Odigbo

It is nonsensical, if you can't differentiate between indigenes and mere visitors or travelers
(Osun/Oyo/Kwara) ...and it's more foolish of you if you consider the accent of these strangers as a yardstick of what language Odigbo/ Ore speak , are you kidding!? With this your unreliable and one sided source..... stop giving yourself headache , Odigbo is in-between Ondo and Okitipupa, and so there are both influence of ikale and Ondo on the territory......there are towns who speak closely Ondo dialects e.g ajue , Odigbo , araromi obu .....and ikale settlements are also there due to equal proximity as Ondo ......
So rule out this Osun/Oyo/Kwara accent as a yardstick... because they have their languages....
Accent is not dialect ok ...just be educated!


Alfredilly

maynation:

If you don't get my point then what are you typing?
The comparison I drew with Lagos is needless? Very funny. Okay an Igbo man contested for a political seat in Sabo gari Kano state, can Igbos claim the state? That was a very straight forward comparison, I won't force you to acknowledge it.
Then again, Did I ever say Odigbos don't have their indigenous people? Who ever holds a political seat is none of my arguments as far as s/he is recognised as an Odigbo person.

If you are an Ilaje person and you believe Ode Aye is Ekinmogun then good luck.

You are still missing the point with this your irrelevant , unsound and half baked argument.

When two or three regions have common boundaries, and especially have their distinct groups, it's a norm for you to have these regions have some or an ethnic group(s)/tribe /clan in common i.e Indigenous people can extend beyond boundaries, people came before boundaries.....so it's NOT out of place for some Odigbo/Ajue who are culturally, historically and genetically connected to Ondo people ( even though they have their distinctions now) and also Ikale communities which we have on the other end of the boundaries to claim some portion of Odigbo as well ...... because this is how it is everywhere, indigenous people/neighbours can extend beyond boundaries , you will have some part within this geographical entity and the other part in the other geographical entity.....
That's the reason for this tussle between Odigbo/Ikale/Ondo people,.....the same cannot be said of one Igbo man far away from igboland with no boundaries with the North , no link whatsoever travelling to the north, such example is irrelevant and it's a product of lack of geographical education......
Don't mix things up....

Alfredilly

maynation:


These are moon light tales, I have spoken with an Ikale man that claims his people were from Usen in Edo state. I already explained this to you, all towns have these funny and laughable albeit distorted stories they claimed to have been passed down from generation to generation. This isn't fact, they are just mere stories.

That's the reason modern knowledge of Geography, Anthropology ( Genetic Anthropology) are relevant in this case ....

Is it not sensible to you if there are various towns around Ondo who speak Ondo dialects , this is a function of proximity and extension a bit outward from the source and it's sensible!

The man you spoke too who claimed ancestry from Edo , (I have also seen that in books ....) while some claimed Edo , some claim IFE and other Ugbo , the Edo narration is also a function of proximity, as Ondo (south) and Edo are neighbours....
What is visible today is that Ondo- like dialects reign supreme today in Ondo central and Ondo South senatorial district apart from Akure dialects ( Ekiti-like)
and this is a testimony of Ondo people extending their tentacles outside.....
Understand ok?

Seerade029

maynation:

Firstly, the screenshot I shared shows the Ikale towns and vilages which are majority of the Odigbo people. It isn't questionable unless perhaps you know more than wiki.
Then, stop attaching Okeigbo to Ekinmogun. Ondo town has Ekinmogun day, Ile Oluji has never joined them. They have so many times dissociated themselves from Ekinmogun whatever. THEY HAVE THEIR ILE LUJI DAY to show you they don't for any reason want to be linked to them.

I cancelled that part out because I don't see the correlation, we ain't arguing over that.

Rather the shit , you showed, you meant Odigbo towns/villages which have majority Ikales.
It shouldn't surprise you because they are neighbours and their will be overflow way back , it doesn't rule the other Odigbo people.

Wiki is good , guided and it's people who edit it, you can also do so , if you have the fact/source but can be changed later with superior/ more facts or correct information ( when what you hitherto shared was false), so you can't " say wiki cant be questioned or know better than wiki"....

Ile oluji people, Ondo and idanre are brothers and the same , they come to ekimogun day or not!

Alfredilly

maynation:

Then I asked you how you could share boundary with Ode Aye when Odigbo doesn't even belong to you, like you jumped Ore to boarder Aye.

Then knowledge will tell you that Core source of Ikale people are in the South , while Ondo Core source is in the north to them and Odigbo is at the centre .

The Ondo people extended from their Core source at the North through Ajue , Odigbo and Ore towards Ikale land near Odeaye in the South because at the time of this extension Ajue , Odigbo and co are mere Ondo villages which got developed from bushes and uninhabited places) before the little distinction you have today.... So some settled along those villages through ore before there is another upward push from Ikale from their Core source in the South through Odeaye , further more to ore area ....
What he is saying precede the current structure , at the time, Ondo extended southward covering Odigbo ,Ajue ore , towards ode aye before Ikale pushed back upward .
Get that gist and logic.

Seerade029

Seerade029:


I told you Odigbo and Ore were formerly Part of the kingdom....

Bur we lost them ...

The palace of Ore, ask him to tell you ths root or their royal historian.

I don't even think we lost those places especially Ajue , Odigbo , Ore , Araromi Obu e.t.c rather those people evolved to form their identity even though they still have similarities with Ondo people in some ways ......is like Speciation in Biology.....when Tiger , Jaguar, Leopard or Cheetah departed from the same source .... when people extend their coverage further and there are separations of these groups from the same source via distance , trees , mountains , water or other geographical barriers, new identity tend to emerge ( also if they blend with other tribes from other sources) and I have to emphasize that even if they don't blend with other tribes , with distance and geographical barriers , they will still be different from the source with some percentage difference but you will still find some similarities with their parental tribe though.......

maynation

maynation:

I am not based in Ore and I won't even bother to ask the Oba questions if i was based there.
I told you every town has tales and distorted ancestral connections they all believe are true.
That doesn't prove anything.
Just like when historians say all yorubas are from Ile Ife because of Oduduwa and that his son became Alaafin of Oyo and blah blah blah. Those are just good as the myths they are. It makes no sense, I don't believe them.

But if you are not egoistic and you truly seek knowledge , you will know the office of the oba/king is also an authority (apart from Genetic Anthropology), because the tradition are passed from one king (the king that witnessed all) to others in succession till date , there are also some documentation to back things up....
At least an intelligent person will ask questions where s/he feel there are issues....
A researcher who wants a story of a town but won't visit the palace ....Shame / alternatively, scientific method......
And not these unverifiable points you scavenged from your phone up and down.


Seerade029

maynation:

Okay. Oduduwa met monkeys in Ile Ife o abi he met Lions. I don't believe in the existence of Oduduwa, those were just myths. Believe he existed if it's cool by you, it's a choice.
Let's get done with this argument, you are holding unto unproven histories while I believe in the current happenings.

Abuja may have been Ekinmogun or even Anambra but for all I know is they are Abuja and Anambra now. That is it.
Take care dear.

I don't think this is even a yoruba lady , not she must be though....but I have my reasons...it's not by jumping from one Ondo village/town to another.....

Seerade029