What You Must Know About The Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father and the Spirit of Jesus the Son of God. To understand what the Holy Spirit is we must first understand the makeup of man, who is in the image and likeness of God. This means whenever God looks at men He sees man as His mirror image, and likeness before the fall. What does it mean to be in God's image? It means to have a soul and a spirit just as God. God is a Soul and Spirit, He doesn't just have Spirit. Hebrews 10:38; "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, MY SOUL shall have no pleasure in him." When the Lord says "God is Spirit," He is saying God is immaterial, He is not fleshly or tangible as we humans. The difference between God and man is the fact that God has no end, but the ability of man has limit, God is beyond any being. The similarity between God and man is the Soul and the Spirit. God comprises of the Soul and the Spirit, man comprises of the Spirit, the Soul and the Body.

Jesus and God are two distinct persons, the seat of personality is the Soul. God has a soul, Jesus also has a soul, but the Spirit within them is One, called the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is not just within them but it is also their clothing and covering, this is called the glory of God, just as the clothing of man is the flesh. The Spirit is an organ of relation, through which we relate with the spiritual realm. There is the spirit of man and there is the Spirit of God, the spirit of man is His organ of interaction with the spiritual realm while God relates with the spiritual realm by His own Spirit. God's Spirit is limitless, man's spirit is limited. The spirit is just like the body, if we understand how the body operates we will discern also the spirit, because the natural realm is the shadow of the spiritual realm.

Is the Holy Spirit a person? No! The Holy Spirit is called Holy because it belongs to God, it is different from every other spirits, human spirits, demonic spirits. It is distinct, that is the very Spirit dwelling within the Soul of God and the Soul of Jesus. How do we get connected to God? Through the Holy Spirit coming into our human spirit, that's how connection is secured. This is what Jesus came to establish because that link to God was lost through Adam's fall. Everyone who believes in the blood of Jesus for the remission of their sins has the Holy Spirit and can relate with God and Jesus, because the Spirit that dwells in God and Jesus dwells in us also. What intimacy! What closeness to God!


Believers must be careful because many of them has been making the Holy Spirit a person. You don't speak with the Holy Spirit as much as you don't speak with your hand or leg, you speak with God in heaven through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is only a medium in the spirit of man through which we fellowship with Jesus and the Father, not a person you can relate with as much you can't relate with your hands and feet.


The dangers of relating with a spirit that called itself a person counterfeiting the Spirit of God can be severe. Is there anyone in the Bible that related with the Holy Spirit on a personal level? With all sincerity you won't find one. The moment anyone acknowledges the Holy Spirit as a person a counterfeit spirit begins to imitate the workings of the Holy Spirit, the man will think He is relating with God whereas a deceiving spirit is at work. God is not within any man as a person (soul), only His Spirit is within us and a spirit is not a person but an organ. Our communion and communication is with Jesus and God, who are both in heaven. How do we reach them? Through the Holy Spirit. Let us lay aside false doctrines which are according to the ideas of men who lack God's revelation, men of religion. Let us look unto God our Saviour and Jesus Christ our Lord through the Holy Spirit.

Brother it is not false doctrine o. And next time, when you bring your points, come with scripture to back up your claims. Especially that part when you said Jesus and God are two different personalities.

Shelumiel:
Brother it is not false doctrine o. And next time, when you bring your points, come with scripture to back up your claims. Especially that part when you said Jesus and God are two different personalities.

You should come up with scripture to disprove what has been said.

Shelumiel:
Brother it is not false doctrine o. And next time, when you bring your points, come with scripture to back up your claims. Especially that part when you said Jesus and God are two different personalities.

Jesus says, "my Father is greater than I." How come one is greater when they aren't two distinct persons? Study what I have written properly. If Jesus is not a different person from God the Father, then there is no Son of God, then John 1:1 is false because it records that "the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father), and the Word was (a) God."

herlecks:
You should come up with scripture to disprove what has been said.

1Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6, Titus 2:13, and Colossians 2:9. These scripture attest to Jesus being God Almighty

herlecks:
Jesus says, "my Father is greater than I." How come one is greater when they aren't two distinct persons? Study what I have written properly. If Jesus is not a different person from God the Father, then there is no Son of God, then John 1:1 is false because it records that "the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father), and the Word was (a) God."

Two different? Please have you read Philippians 2:6-7? I doubt. Because if you had, you would be making such statements!

Shelumiel:
1Timothy 3:16, Isaiah 9:6, Titus 2:13, and Colossians 2:9. These scripture attest to Jesus being God Almighty

Post the scriptures here. Don't type some verses and think you have an argument.

Shelumiel:
Two different? Please have you read Philippians 2:6-7? I doubt. Because if you had, you would be making such statements!

Who was Jesus referring to when He said "my Father is Greater than I." Was He referring to himself? Who alone is the Father and also the Son? Give me clarity.

By merely reading 1Timothy 3:16, the mystery of the Jesus is complete. And if you take time to study thoroughly, you would see from the onset that Isaiah clearly portrayed Jesus being God in the flesh.

herlecks:
Post the scriptures here. Don't type some verses and think you have an argument.

I'll assume you have a bible...so read up and tell me.

herlecks:
You should come up with scripture to disprove what has been said.

Acts 13:2 ►
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit SAID, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."


Hebrews 3:7-9
Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME, AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,

Acts 16:6 ►

And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia.


John 16:7
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 16:8
"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;


The Holy Spirit is a Person. Pls use scriptures to oppose it, don't come here and magnify your elated ignorance.

Shelumiel:
By merely reading 1Timothy 3:16, the mystery of the Jesus is complete. And if you take time to study thoroughly, you would see from the onset that Isaiah clearly portrayed Jesus being God in the flesh.

No one denies Jesus as not being God. Wherever you see God in the Bible it can also be translated as "a God." Jesus is "a" God who has a Father and a God. God is the God and Father of Jesus. Look here;

Hebrews 1:7-9 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

Do you see? "therefore God, thy God has anointing thee," can you see the communication between the Father and the Son who are both God by the Holy Ghost? Jesus is a God just like the Father, He shares the Godhood of the Father because they share the same Spirit. Look again;

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

This is Jesus speaking calling God, "my God, my God," because Jesus is the perfect reflection of God's Godhood. Jesus is a God, the Father is the Supreme God. This is the glory that Jesus the Word wears in heaven before He descended to earth. Look where He asked for that glory back from the Father;

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Do you understand now? Or will you continue to argue? I argued at first with when I received the revelation, it took time for it to sink in. Most of the things the church call doctrine are pure deception that sets people up to receive a contrary spirit which is not of God. I warn you, don't forget.

Shelumiel:
By merely reading 1Timothy 3:16, the mystery of the Jesus is complete. And if you take time to study thoroughly, you would see from the onset that Isaiah clearly portrayed Jesus being God in the flesh.

A God that was killed by his creation, is that one God.

Ladylite:




Acts 13:2 ►
While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit SAID, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."


Hebrews 3:7-9
Therefore, just as the Holy Spirit says, "TODAY IF YOU HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS WHEN THEY PROVOKED ME, AS IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,

Acts 16:6 ►

And they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia.


John 16:7
"But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 16:8
"And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;


The Holy Spirit is a Person. Pls use scriptures to oppose it, don't come here and magnify your elated ignorance.

Elated ignorance. This is not emotionalism, it's not up to that.

Whose voice? The voice of the Holy Spirit? Whose voice? Whose speaking? By the way, the Holy Spirit is an organ, don't forget that. An organ by which God speaks. If you read my post well we wouldn't be having this conversation. God speaks by/through His Spirit. The Spirit is His organ of speaking, the Holy Spirit does not speak itself/himself.

Forbidden by who? The Holy Spirit? Which is the Spirit of who? The Spirit of God! It is God forbidding them by His Spirit. The Spirit cannot act on its own, it's impossible because it is an organ by which Another relates. When God give you a message by His Spirit, you will not say "God told me," what you will say is "I heard the Spirit," because a Soul does not speak without an organ, the Spirit or Body does not speak without the control of the Soul. Please understand the make up of man to discern God with all clarity, if not you will miss the dimensions of the Holy Spirit which should come upon your human spirit.

Who or What is the Helper? The Holy Spirit? Verily! The Spirit helps our infirmity! You must understand that the Spirit of God is not limited in abilities as the spirit of men. Look here, this is how the Helper helps.

1 John 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

"As IT as taught you." What does that say to you? That an IT is a person? No. The Spirit whenever it represents or manifests the personality of God it can be referred to as an HE (neutral), this is also true of the human spirit.

Conviction or Witnessing is a work of the Holy Spirit AND the human spirit. That does not make the Holy Spirit a person. A spirit is not a person, the person is the Soul. The Soul is the seat of personality, the Spirit is the organ of the Soul.

herlecks:
No one denies Jesus as not being God. Wherever you see God in the Bible it can also be translated as "a God." Jesus is "a" God who has a Father and a God. God is the God and Father of Jesus. Look here;

Hebrews 1:7-9 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

Do you see? "therefore God, thy God has anointing thee," can you see the communication between the Father and the Son who are both God by the Holy Ghost? Jesus is a God just like the Father, He shares the Godhood of the Father because they share the same Spirit. Look again;

Revelation 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

This is Jesus speaking calling God, "my God, my God," because Jesus is the perfect reflection of God's Godhood. Jesus is a God, the Father is the Supreme God. This is the glory that Jesus the Word wears in heaven before He descended to earth. Look where He asked for that glory back from the Father;

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Do you understand now? Or will you continue to argue? I argued at first with when I received the revelation, it took time for it to sink in. Most of the things the church call doctrine are pure deception that sets people up to receive a contrary spirit which is not of God. I warn you, don't forget.

Bro, God will never share His glory with another ; neither will He share worship with any other person (Isaiah 42:. But Jesus is clearly worshiped in scripture! “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped (Rev. 5:12-14). Whoever you worship automatically becomes your God. Which is why you pray in Jesus name. Or why not pray in God's name and see what the demons will do to you...! Another verse I want to bring to your notice (since scripture is filled with thousands of such verses) is Philippians 2:10: "King James Version
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth". If this is true, then God Himself will bow before Jesus. Which makes Jesus your God and my God.

GRIMMJOE:
A God that was killed by his creation, is that one God.

He became completely human, he shared in all of our weaknesses, so he could die for our sins. Do you see that? He cleansed your sins by His blood/life, He washed you as clean as as if you had never sinned in your life, to save us from the forthcoming wrath of God upon the dwellers of the earth.

Shelumiel:
Bro, God will never share His glory with another ; neither will He share worship with any other person (Isaiah 42:. But Jesus is clearly worshiped in scripture! “Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!” And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying, “To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!” And the four living creatures said, “Amen!” and the elders fell down and worshiped (Rev. 5:12-14). Whoever you worship automatically becomes your God. Which is why you pray in Jesus name. Or why not pray in God's name and see what the demons will do to you...

God will not share his glory. Oh yes! No one can be like God. This is why Jesus is the perfect reflection of God's Godhood. Understand? Godhood is a dimension of God's Spirit that Jesus shares, that makes Jesus also God.

You are in gross error. Why can't you answer my question? Because you have no love for the truth. Will you answer my question now? Who was Jesus referring to when He said "my Father is greater than I?" If you are able to answer the question your eyes will open.

herlecks:
God will not share his glory. Oh yes! No one can be like God. This is why Jesus is the perfect reflection of God's Godhood. Understand? Godhood is a dimension of God's Spirit that Jesus shares, that makes Jesus also God.

You are in gross error. Why can't you answer my question? Because you have no love for the truth. Will you answer my question now? Who was Jesus referring to when He said "my Father is greater than I?" If you are able to answer the question your eyes will open.

Bros, so God shares His worship with something less than Him...? . Lol...so in essence, He is not God because according to the Bible, we have only one God who does not share His worship(Isaiah 42:. So my brother, you are greatly mistaken. And to address you previous question read John4:24: God is spirit, and His worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." So if God is a Spirit, then where is the body for this Spirit? The answer is in Colossians 2:9: " For in Him(Jesus) dwells the fullness of the Godhead Bodily. So Jesus is the fullness of God the father, The Holy Spirit all merged in One divine being. Which is why Jesus plainly told His disciples in John 14:9-10"... He who has seen Me has seen the Father... Do you not know that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority but the Father who dwells in Me does the works... ".

Waowww... Let me read through.

Shelumiel:
Bros, so God shares His worship with something less than Him...? . Lol...so in essence, He is not God because according to the Bible, we have only one God. So my brother, you are greatly mistaken. And to address you previous question read John4:24: God is spirit, and His worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." So if God is a Spirit, then where is the body for this Spirit. The answer is in Colossians 2:9: " For in Him(Jesus) dwells the fullness of the Godhead Bodily. So Jesus is the fullness of God the father, The Holy Spirit all merged in One divine being. Which is why Jesus plainly told His disciples in John 14:9 :"... He who has seen Me has seen the Father ".

This conversation will not continue because you have not been carefully reading what I have been typing to you and you seem not to regard the words of the Bible. Let me clarify those things that confuses you.

Jesus shares the Godhood of the Father means He is a God as much as the Father is God. That's equality. It is the Father that made it so, that's His will, no one can question Him. Jesus testified that the Father is greater than He is, which is true, because the Father is the Source of all things, even the Son "came forth" from the Father.

That verse is wrongly translated by the KJV bible. It should read "in Him dwelleth the Fullness of DIVINITY bodily." The Bible was translated from Greek and Hebrew. You must also read check your Hebrew to confirm these translations because most are erratically translated. Divinity means Jesus was fully divine through the Holy Spirit. The divinity in the human Jesus was through the Holy Spirit. It will take you years to understand these things if you don't open your heart to learn. There is nothing merged into one divine being. That's grossly erratic and meaningless.

Where is the body of God's Soul? His Spirit serves as His inner man and outer man. His Spirit is His covering. This proves you never read the post with carefully, you only want to argue.

herlecks:
This conversation will not continue because you have not been carefully reading what I have been typing to you and you seem not to regard the words of the Bible. Let me clarify those things that confuses you.

Jesus shares the Godhood of the Father means He is a God as much as the Father is God. That's equality. It is the Father that made it so, that's His will, no one can question Him. Jesus testified that the Father is greater than He is, which is true, because the Father is the Source of all things, even the Son "came forth" from the Father.

That verse is wrongly translated by the KJV bible. It should read "in Him dwelleth the Fullness of DIVINITY bodily." The Bible was translated from Greek and Hebrew. You must also read check your Hebrew to confirm these translations because most are erratically translated. Divinity means Jesus was fully divine through the Holy Spirit. The divinity in the human Jesus was through the Holy Spirit. It will take you years to understand these things if you don't open your heart to learn. There is nothing merged into one divine being. That's grossly erratic and meaningless.

Where is the body of God's Soul? His Spirit serves as His inner man and outer man. His Spirit is His covering. This proves you never read the post with carefully, you only want to argue.

Bros, where is your own translation of the bible? Or do you have your own edited copy (Lol)? Please, refrain from deluding yourself with these fiticious words such as "Godhood" and all that bullshit. Jesus is God. And this it clear through scripture. But if you think there is a higher authority other than Jesus, I suggest you call on this "authority "when engaging with demons and see if you'll be delivered. Shalom

herlecks:
He became completely human, he shared in all of our weaknesses, so he could die for our sins. Do you see that? He cleansed your sins by His blood/life, He washed you as clean as as if you had never sinned in your life, to save us from the forthcoming wrath of God upon the dwellers of the earth.

There's nothing special about Jesus, God can easily created another son, Mary was not the only Virgin.

If God want us to take him seriously he should come and die on the cross himself.

GRIMMJOE:
There's nothing special about Jesus, God can easily created another son, Mary was not the only Virgin.

Your religion mocks you, it is like saying you and I that are born by normal humans are not special.

GRIMMJOE:
There's nothing special about Jesus, God can easily created another son, Mary was not the only Virgin.

If God want us to take him seriously he should come and die on the cross himself.

Jesus was not created. He "came forth" from God. He is the Word of God. He existed since when God existed, don't be deceived. Do not let demons lie to you, you were created by Jesus, he formed you in your mother's womb. Right now, He's attentive to this chat, He wants your soul, surrender your life to Him because it has been given Him to save men.

GRIMMJOE:
Your religion mocks you, it is like saying you and I that are born by normal humans are not special.

You seem not to understand. If you don't read the Bible we will continue to have more argument. Jesus was a God in heaven before He came to earth, became human that He could die to wipe away your sins and my sins, if He came as a God He can't die, He must become a human to save the human race. Wherever there is sin, blood must be shed to take away sin, since no human being is pure, this implies no man can die for the other. This is why God had to become man that we might be saved. Do you see how special we are? How much God loves us so much that He gave His Son to die for our sins?

God forbid I stoop so low to argue about religion on nairaland. Argument doesn't convert people,the Spirit of God does.if you like argue till your tongue fall off,it won't change anything,but breeds contempt.
Don't be surprised that the people carrying religion on their head above will still commit formication without blinking an eye,steal at any opportunity and treat their fellow humans like trash.
I believe in God and his only begotten Son who died on the cross for my son. My religion is LOVE.

[quote author=herlecks post=88028081]What You Must Know About The Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father and the Spirit of Jesus the Son of God. To understand what the Holy Spirit is we must first understand the makeup of man, who is in the image and likeness of God. This means whenever God looks at men He sees man as His mirror image, and likeness before the fall. What does it mean to be in God's image? It means to have a soul and a spirit just as God. God is a Soul and Spirit, He doesn't just have Spirit. Hebrews 10:38; "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, MY SOUL shall have no pleasure in him." When the Lord says "God is Spirit," He is saying God is immaterial, He is not fleshly or tangible as we humans. The difference between God and man is the fact that God has no end, but the ability of man has limit, God is beyond any being. The similarity between God and man is the Soul and the Spirit. God comprises of the Soul and the Spirit, man comprises of the Spirit

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Greatzeus:
God forbid I stoop so low to argue about religion on nairaland. Argument doesn't convert people,the Spirit of God does.if you like argue till your tongue fall off,it won't change anything,but breeds contempt.
Don't be surprised that the people carrying religion on their head above will still commit formication without blinking an eye,steal at any opportunity and treat their fellow humans like trash.
I believe in God and his only begotten Son who died on the cross for my son. My religion is LOVE.

How do they get converted if we don't preach to them? You know, the Spirit uses our words to witness and convince them. Don't let's be weary of doing this, we actually don't know how many the Holy Spirit touches by our short messages. God can use these things to win souls.

Op. i have actualy learn new things today.

Yes i intensionaly left nairaland religion section for a while in other not to be misleads. alots of aguements here and there.
I have just decided to come here today, as i saw this thread.

Yea, so the Holy spirit can be compared to our internet, which we use to get connections to individual either tru voice or data,right?

I have been following ur aguement with that fellow.

pls i need u to enlighten me more on these.
1 how do one recieve the Holy spirit?
2 how do i work tru the power of the Holyspirit?
3 How do i hear the voice of God?

finally what do u understand by that word, Holyghost baptism? is it still applicable to us today?
less i forget, is there any thing wrong if with the Holyspirit or Holyghost fire, as do these days in our churches? Thank you.

Pls kindly educate me more about these things. I will realy appreciate it. God bless you.

herlecks:
Jesus was not created. He "came forth" from God. He is the Word of God. He existed since when God existed, don't be deceived. Do not let demons lie to you, you were created by Jesus, he formed you in your mother's womb. Right now, He's attentive to this chat, He wants your soul, surrender your life to Him because it has been given Him to save men.

okay, I've surrendered, but before he saves me he should go save the sick, and ask for forgiveness for those that believed in him and died not being saved, then he can come and save me.

This is quite thoughtful