For a starter: The contributions of all who are in forefront in fighting COVID-19 for humanity are well praised and appreciated. Without you all, humanity would have found itself in a new dawn hopelessness and destruction. Likewise, for all scientific inventions that have been made available to support humanity this period.

COVID-19 has truly set a lot in motion across nations from economic breakdown, local segregation, questioning of belief system, continuous scientific research, to application of common sense and a search for hope. Great men are falling, great nations are gasping for survival. Many would never have believed such a day will come and many would never have hoped for such.

This event has led many to call on who or what they believed, rather not believed in. Others likewise have called on God’s name: some seek him out of fear, some out of mockery, some in ignorance and others holding to faith in His words.

The hope of many nations has aforetime rested on the ever-tested scientific discoveries and solutions but currently the best of human’s knowledge and survival are fastened on symptomized trials of both common sense and existing drugs pending another breakthrough of sustainable cure.

But as the search for cure continue, I pondered, how long could humanity truly have, if we assume COVID was an attempt to eradicate all lives on earth. Or better still, will science have had another day/month in this fight?

I am never an advocate of comparing science with God or the scriptures, as I believe they are never in struggle of supremacy nor disproving each other. Science has its place: the natural and most of its discoveries within this limit are neither against humanity nor faith in God. There may be some (believers) who are driven by ignorance and lack of proper study and understanding of the scriptures, who have either wrestled with science or read science into the scriptures for “balance”. This is a grave error among some.

Likewise, not sparing those “without God” in this non-existing tussle of Faith and Science, who take every opportunity using science as a tool to smear, by acting as street touts who find joy in setting up 'two fighting' between Faith and Science just to justify their godlessness.
Science successes are well defined and its contribution to humanity are also well documented and appreciated across all endeavor. Yet we must not lose focus on its gradual growth in its current infancy until it ascends to the full knowledge of the “hows” and “whys” of this world.

Like I always say, Science is still in its embryo of knowledge, when it comes to maturity it will know Faith and God with undeniable facts. Hence the non-existing contradiction of Faith and Science are only peddled by some sects from both divides.

For example:

One with Faith once said

“God is using COVID-19 to humble Science and humanity”

And I wondered what God is that, a creator who has to prove his omnipotent to his creatures? One who wrestle power with his creature to prove “Goddish”? Or one who finds joy in killing the disloyal, the “enemies” but prevents his creatures from doing same?

Pray tell…

…what will such God gain in crashing a plane just to say something to a nation or the world?
…Or in killing hundreds of loved ones with COVID-19 just to get attention.

It is sad that we are always in a relax mode without proper reasoning when issue like these happens to people afar from us. Let me ask, how will you take such lesson if such God has to get your attention by gruesomely murdering your most loved person on earth.

When all you see from the scriptures is a God with unstable character, who can both love and hate at the same time, and finds pleasure in killing lessons, then you have been led astray and reading your selfish desires and hatred for the unbelieving or mockers of God into the scriptures. We are not as taught from the scriptures.

Have you not read:

“human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires.” James 1:20

That is, man’s wrath can neither works the patience of God nor His righteousness. Human perception, satisfaction or dissatisfaction cannot change who God is.

The scriptures truth concluded:

GOD IS LIGHT, in him there is no DARKNESS at all (1 John 1:5)

Hence, until we start seeing God in this singular character of light, love and life, we will never be able to comprehend his word.

In this same breath, one of the father figures of Atheism (Stephen Hawking) once said:

"One can't prove that God doesn't exist, but science makes God unnecessary".,

Not surprising, that such statement comes from a man who can’t in all fairness see beyond the prism of experimental truth and constantly denied the experiential truth that have always stared at all humanities across the ages.

I pray tell...

…Tell a man gasping for breath, with pains which the best of our labs couldn't explain nor subside but whose only thought is filled with no hope of scientific solutions but unexplained interventions. Where does his hope lies, in dying or peradventure in finding life again?

…Tell that to a man, who just found out that all his three children are positive to covid-19 and with objective evidence of few more days to death. His instinct will set his hope where? In their death? Or their life? Life from where, from who?

…Or to a weaponless man caught in crossfire of the approaching enemy infantry.

It is common knowledge that a passive observer doesn't know the true experience of a loss or of having a privilege to a new life after all hope is gone. Hence, he can't see beyond the tool of science or as the moderate ones will say: it's by chance. But such chance to life is what several across the world pray and seek today in the face of this plague and in trusting God, life will prevail.

Yes, life on earth will prevail to the end that all things lost will be restored, more lives preserved, and nations comforted. COVID-19 will be defeated and science will take a greater leap forward in its experimentation.

In conclusion, Science and Faith have always been with mankind and will continue to, as such science is how man know and relate to his physical environments. The strength of science is in its slow but steady learning curve via experimentation and observations, but faith hold sway till science hope is completed at every instant of uncertainties.

Therefore, it is obvious today in the face of this novel plague, that humanity would have survived its early earth life by his God-given instinct that provide immediate survival and not by his experimentation. Faith and hope expressed in man’s instinct in the face of the unknown make us survive the unknown and the unprepared as we see in COVID today, while experiment, the foundation of science, prepares us ahead for the known danger or known unknown over an extra time.

Hence, in this fight with COVID-19, Science as usual will surely have its hopeful approval of extra time. But not just an extra time, but a return leg after gaining enough experience in this cause. And will surely win.
But before then, one thing holds the nations of the world and the preservation of humanity as it has always been over the ages even before the first human experimental tool was invented.

...humanity instinct and response to the saving power of God.

hupernikao:
For a starter: The contributions of all who are in forefront in fighting COVID-19 for humanity are well praised and appreciated. Without you all, humanity would have found itself in a new dawn hopelessness and destruction. Likewise, for all scientific inventions that have been made available to support humanity this period.

COVID-19 has truly set a lot in motion across nations from economic breakdown, local segregation, questioning of belief system, continuous scientific research, to application of common sense and a search for hope. Great men are falling, great nations are gasping for survival. Many would never have believed such a day will come and many would never have hoped for such.

COVID-19

hupernikao:
For a starter: The contributions of all who are in forefront in fighting COVID-19 for humanity are well praised and appreciated. Without you all, humanity would have found itself in a new dawn hopelessness and destruction. Likewise, for all scientific inventions that have been made available to support humanity this period.

COVID-19 has truly set a lot in motion across nations from economic breakdown, local segregation, questioning of belief system, continuous scientific research, to application of common sense and a search for hope. Great men are falling, great nations are gasping for survival. Many would never have believed such a day will come and many would never have hoped for such.

This event has led many to call on who or what they believed, rather not believed in. Others likewise have called on God’s name: some seek him out of fear, some out of mockery, some in ignorance and others holding to faith in His words.

The hope of many nations has aforetime rested on the ever-tested scientific discoveries and solutions but currently the best of human’s knowledge and survival are fastened on symptomized trials of both common sense and existing drugs pending another breakthrough of sustainable cure.

But as the search for cure continue, I pondered, how long could humanity truly have, if we assume COVID was an attempt to eradicate all lives on earth. Or better still, will science have had another day/month in this fight?

I am never an advocate of comparing science with God or the scriptures, as I believe they are never in struggle of supremacy nor disproving each other. Science has its place: the natural and most of its discoveries within this limit are neither against humanity nor faith in God. There may be some (believers) who are driven by ignorance and lack of proper study and understanding of the scriptures, who have either wrestled with science or read science into the scriptures for “balance”. This is a grave error among some.

Likewise, not sparing those “without God” in this non-existing tussle of Faith and Science, who take every opportunity using science as a tool to smear, by acting as street touts who find joy in setting up 'two fighting' between Faith and Science just to justify their godlessness.
Science successes are well defined and its contribution to humanity are also well documented and appreciated across all endeavor. Yet we must not lose focus on its gradual growth in its current infancy until it ascends to the full knowledge of the “hows” and “whys” of this world.

Like I always say, Science is still in its embryo of knowledge, when it comes to maturity it will know Faith and God with undeniable facts. Hence the non-existing contradiction of Faith and Science are only peddled by some sects from both divides.

For example:

One with Faith once said



And I wondered what God is that, a creator who has to prove his omnipotent to his creatures? One who wrestle power with his creature to prove “Goddish”? Or one who finds joy in killing the disloyal, the “enemies” but prevents his creatures from doing same?

Pray tell…

…what will such God gain in crashing a plane just to say something to a nation or the world?
…Or in killing hundreds of loved ones with COVID-19 just to get attention.

It is sad that we are always in a relax mode without proper reasoning when issue like these happens to people afar from us. Let me ask, how will you take such lesson if such God has to get your attention by gruesomely murdering your most loved person on earth.

When all you see from the scriptures is a God with unstable character, who can both love and hate at the same time, and finds pleasure in killing lessons, then you have been led astray and reading your selfish desires and hatred for the unbelieving or mockers of God into the scriptures. We are not as taught from the scriptures.

Have you not read:



That is, man’s wrath can neither works the patience of God nor His righteousness. Human perception, satisfaction or dissatisfaction cannot change who God is.

The scriptures truth concluded:



Hence, until we start seeing God in this singular character of light, love and life, we will never be able to comprehend his word.

In this same breath, one of the father figures of Atheism (Stephen Hawking) once said:



Not surprising, that such statement comes from a man who can’t in all fairness see beyond the prism of experimental truth and constantly denied the experiential truth that have always stared at all humanities across the ages.

I pray tell...

…Tell a man gasping for breath, with pains which the best of our labs couldn't explain nor subside but whose only thought is filled with no hope of scientific solutions but unexplained interventions. Where does his hope lies, in dying or peradventure in finding life again?

…Tell that to a man, who just found out that all his three children are positive to covid-19 and with objective evidence of few more days to death. His instinct will set his hope where? In their death? Or their life? Life from where, from who?

…Or to a weaponless man caught in crossfire of the approaching enemy infantry.

It is common knowledge that a passive observer doesn't know the true experience of a loss or of having a privilege to a new life after all hope is gone. Hence, he can't see beyond the tool of science or as the moderate ones will say: it's by chance. But such chance to life is what several across the world pray and seek today in the face of this plague and in trusting God, life will prevail.

Yes, life on earth will prevail to the end that all things lost will be restored, more lives preserved, and nations comforted. COVID-19 will be defeated and science will take a greater leap forward in its experimentation.

In conclusion, Science and Faith have always been with mankind and will continue to, as such science is how man know and relate to his physical environments. The strength of science is in its slow but steady learning curve via experimentation and observations, but faith hold sway till science hope is completed at every instant of uncertainties.

Therefore, it is obvious today in the face of this novel plague, that humanity would have survived its early earth life by his God-given instinct that provide immediate survival and not by his experimentation. Faith and hope expressed in man’s instinct in the face of the unknown make us survive the unknown and the unprepared as we see in COVID today, while experiment, the foundation of science, prepares us ahead for the known danger or known unknown over an extra time.

Hence, in this fight with COVID-19, Science as usual will surely have its hopeful approval of extra time. But not just an extra time, but a return leg after gaining enough experience in this cause. And will surely win.
But before then, one thing holds the nations of the world and the preservation of humanity as it has always been over the ages even before the first human experimental tool was invented.

...humanity instinct and response to the saving power of God.

If you were a pastor you will make more sense that most pastors today, like pastor E.A. ADEBOYE that said God told him COVID-19 is a punishment from him and he wants to show his strength to the world and people should all repeat.

And the likes of them but something stand amiss, and that's the lack of miracles for COVID-19.

TRULY not all Christians care for miracles from pastors but hardly any church program goes by without miracles being a prominent feature of the advertise service hence the believe that pastors are in the healing business.

Now Christians need this healing to protect them, if only them alone from this pandemic yet we get hand sanitizers, face mask and gloves?

When we complained of impotence, headache, fever amongst others they didn't give us mask and the others, why change now?

They shouldn't mock God!

hupernikao:
For a starter: The contributions of all who are in forefront in fighting COVID-19 for humanity are well praised and appreciated. Without you all, humanity would have found itself in a new dawn hopelessness and destruction. Likewise, for all scientific inventions that have been made available to support humanity this period.

COVID-19 has truly set a lot in motion across nations from economic breakdown, local segregation, questioning of belief system, continuous scientific research, to application of common sense and a search for hope. Great men are falling, great nations are gasping for survival. Many would never have believed such a day will come and many would never have hoped for such.

This event has led many to call on who or what they believed, rather not believed in. Others likewise have called on God’s name: some seek him out of fear, some out of mockery, some in ignorance and others holding to faith in His words.

The hope of many nations has aforetime rested on the ever-tested scientific discoveries and solutions but currently the best of human’s knowledge and survival are fastened on symptomized trials of both common sense and existing drugs pending another breakthrough of sustainable cure.

But as the search for cure continue, I pondered, how long could humanity truly have, if we assume COVID was an attempt to eradicate all lives on earth. Or better still, will science have had another day/month in this fight?

I am never an advocate of comparing science with God or the scriptures, as I believe they are never in struggle of supremacy nor disproving each other. Science has its place: the natural and most of its discoveries within this limit are neither against humanity nor faith in God. There may be some (believers) who are driven by ignorance and lack of proper study and understanding of the scriptures, who have either wrestled with science or read science into the scriptures for “balance”. This is a grave error among some.

Likewise, not sparing those “without God” in this non-existing tussle of Faith and Science, who take every opportunity using science as a tool to smear, by acting as street touts who find joy in setting up 'two fighting' between Faith and Science just to justify their godlessness.
Science successes are well defined and its contribution to humanity are also well documented and appreciated across all endeavor. Yet we must not lose focus on its gradual growth in its current infancy until it ascends to the full knowledge of the “hows” and “whys” of this world.

Like I always say, Science is still in its embryo of knowledge, when it comes to maturity it will know Faith and God with undeniable facts. Hence the non-existing contradiction of Faith and Science are only peddled by some sects from both divides.

For example:

One with Faith once said



And I wondered what God is that, a creator who has to prove his omnipotent to his creatures? One who wrestle power with his creature to prove “Goddish”? Or one who finds joy in killing the disloyal, the “enemies” but prevents his creatures from doing same?

Pray tell…

…what will such God gain in crashing a plane just to say something to a nation or the world?
…Or in killing hundreds of loved ones with COVID-19 just to get attention.

It is sad that we are always in a relax mode without proper reasoning when issue like these happens to people afar from us. Let me ask, how will you take such lesson if such God has to get your attention by gruesomely murdering your most loved person on earth.

When all you see from the scriptures is a God with unstable character, who can both love and hate at the same time, and finds pleasure in killing lessons, then you have been led astray and reading your selfish desires and hatred for the unbelieving or mockers of God into the scriptures. We are not as taught from the scriptures.

Have you not read:



That is, man’s wrath can neither works the patience of God nor His righteousness. Human perception, satisfaction or dissatisfaction cannot change who God is.

The scriptures truth concluded:



Hence, until we start seeing God in this singular character of light, love and life, we will never be able to comprehend his word.

In this same breath, one of the father figures of Atheism (Stephen Hawking) once said:



Not surprising, that such statement comes from a man who can’t in all fairness see beyond the prism of experimental truth and constantly denied the experiential truth that have always stared at all humanities across the ages.

I pray tell...

…Tell a man gasping for breath, with pains which the best of our labs couldn't explain nor subside but whose only thought is filled with no hope of scientific solutions but unexplained interventions. Where does his hope lies, in dying or peradventure in finding life again?

…Tell that to a man, who just found out that all his three children are positive to covid-19 and with objective evidence of few more days to death. His instinct will set his hope where? In their death? Or their life? Life from where, from who?

…Or to a weaponless man caught in crossfire of the approaching enemy infantry.

It is common knowledge that a passive observer doesn't know the true experience of a loss or of having a privilege to a new life after all hope is gone. Hence, he can't see beyond the tool of science or as the moderate ones will say: it's by chance. But such chance to life is what several across the world pray and seek today in the face of this plague and in trusting God, life will prevail.

Yes, life on earth will prevail to the end that all things lost will be restored, more lives preserved, and nations comforted. COVID-19 will be defeated and science will take a greater leap forward in its experimentation.

In conclusion, Science and Faith have always been with mankind and will continue to, as such science is how man know and relate to his physical environments. The strength of science is in its slow but steady learning curve via experimentation and observations, but faith hold sway till science hope is completed at every instant of uncertainties.

Therefore, it is obvious today in the face of this novel plague, that humanity would have survived its early earth life by his God-given instinct that provide immediate survival and not by his experimentation. Faith and hope expressed in man’s instinct in the face of the unknown make us survive the unknown and the unprepared as we see in COVID today, while experiment, the foundation of science, prepares us ahead for the known danger or known unknown over an extra time.

Hence, in this fight with COVID-19, Science as usual will surely have its hopeful approval of extra time. But not just an extra time, but a return leg after gaining enough experience in this cause. And will surely win.
But before then, one thing holds the nations of the world and the preservation of humanity as it has always been over the ages even before the first human experimental tool was invented.

...humanity instinct and response to the saving power of God.

Proverbs 16:4 KJV
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isaiah 45:7 KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

CandidSeeker:



Proverbs 16:4 KJV
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Isaiah 45:7 KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Good evening.

Can i understand the meaning of the scriptures. Maybe you can give some explanation.

I will appreciate.

hupernikao:


Good evening.

Can i understand the meaning of the scriptures. Maybe you can give some explanation.

I will appreciate.

Those verses opposed to the one you quoted...


GOD IS LIGHT, in him there is no DARKNESS at all (1 John 1:5)

VS

Isaiah 45:7 KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

CandidSeeker:


Those verses opposed to the one you quoted...


GOD IS LIGHT, in him there is no DARKNESS at all (1 John 1:5)

VS

Isaiah 45:7 KJV
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

I am quite surprised that the only thing you could point out to in all that write up is this.

Okay. Can you specifically explain one time you found DARKNESS in God. I mean describe the darkside or evil side of God to confirm there is darkness in him. And then state specifically that God is evil.

hupernikao:


I am quite surprised that the only thing you could point out to in all that write up is this.

Okay. Can you specifically explain one time you found DARKNESS in God. I mean describe the darkside or evil side of God to confirm there is darkness in him. And then state specifically that God is evil.

1 Samuel 18:10 KJV
And it came to pass on the morrow, that [b]the evil spirit from God [/b]came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

You need to understand that there's more to the entity called God than what our pastors portrayed to us.

-Peace

CandidSeeker:


1 Samuel 18:10 KJV
And it came to pass on the morrow, that [b]the evil spirit from God [/b]came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

You need to understand that there's more to the entity called God than what our pastors portrayed to us.

-Peace

You havent explained my question Sir and i dont like assumptions when it comes to scriptures and also good to leave pastors out of this.

What i need you to state is this.

Is God evil? YES/ NO. Then explain from scriptures.

hupernikao:


You havent explained my question Sir and i dont like assumptions when it comes to scriptures and also good to leave pastors out of this.

What i need you to state is this.

Is God evil? YES/ NO. Then explain from scriptures.

YES, God is both GOOD and EVIL.

What other scriptural explanation do you need aside these ones:

*Wickedness from God
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

*Evil spirit from God
1 Samuel 18:10
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house:...

*Lying spirit from God
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.


*God made light and darkness; good and evil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


You must understand that life operates with two aspects if everything - DUALITY

*Good and Bad
*Light and Darkness
*Male and Female
*Positive and Negative etc

I'm through with you sir.

-Peace

CandidSeeker:



YES, God is both GOOD and EVIL.

What other scriptural explanation do you need aside these ones:

*Wickedness from God
Proverbs 16:4
The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

*Evil spirit from God
1 Samuel 18:10
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house:...

*Lying spirit from God
1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.


*God made light and darkness; good and evil.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.


You must understand that life operates with two aspects if everything - DUALITY

*Good and Bad
*Light and Darkness
*Male and Female
*Positive and Negative etc

I'm through with you sir.

-Peace

I am actually the one through with you Sir, if the above is your conviction.