there is an ongoing argument here, and google has been disappointing...

can someone with indepth knowledge explain what the kingdom of God is as well as heaven and paradise.


I m confused !

what is the confusion you are trying to resolve

MadeINchenzen2:
there is an ongoing argument here, and google has been disappointing...

can someone with depth explain what the kingdom of God is as well as heaven and paradise.


I m confused !

it depends on what you are drawing the words from.are you picking them from scripture and which chapter,verse?

baralatie:
what is the confusion you are trying to resolve

as it relates to religion.


what is heaven? Kingdom Of God and Paradise?

MadeINchenzen2:
as it relates to religion.

what is heaven? Kingdom Of God and Paradise

from where are you picking these phrases?

Godwrites

baralatie:
from where are you picking these phrases?

bible

Contact those Jehovah witnesses. These are their favorite topics

its very easy to explain: its the carrot that was used to brainwash/enslave countless TRILLIONS of donkeys out there... and believe me when i say that we are lucky, because back in the days in some areas of the world they use to torture/kill/sacrifice people who were OPENLY not xtians.

PARADISE AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43)
A dramatic change has occurred in the preaching of the Gospel. What began in the first century as a call to repentance in light of the soon coming of the Kingdom of God to the earth has been altered to a flight of the believers to Heaven.

This alteration has serious consequences. The most serious consequence is that most of what Paul commanded has become irrelevant. Paul taught that we have to be changed so we can be part of the Kingdom of God, that those who sin cannot inherit the Kingdom.

The Christians today do not understand the difference between Paradise (Heaven) and the Kingdom of God. They view salvation as a movement from earth to Paradise rather than what it is, the forming of Christ (who is the Kingdom) in the believer.

Satan would love it if all the believers would go to Heaven and stay there in mansions doing nothing of significance. But the thought of Christ being formed in a believer sends the demons scurrying for cover.

Yesterday, Sunday morning, a young lady accosted me after the service and said, “Pastor, you mentioned that Paradise is a place and the Kingdom of God is some kind of abstraction. I’ve been here seventeen years and I don’t understand the Kingdom of God.”

This started me thinking and so last night during the service we talked some about Paradise and the Kingdom of God.

I have now (Monday morning—supposed to be my day off) taken computer in hand to reward you with a continuation of the discussion of Paradise and the Kingdom of God. MacDonald said in Phantastes something to the effect that he had started to write and didn’t know where it was going. This is the condition I am in now because the Kingdom of God is a tremendous subject. I trust the Holy Spirit to give understanding at this point.

First of all, it is interesting that John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Apostle Paul preached the Kingdom of God. This was the original Gospel message. “Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand,” as though the Kingdom is coming to the earth.

In the early history of the Church the message changed to “Repent so you can go to Heaven.” How this happened I do not know. It probably had something to do with the philosophy of Gnosticism and the influx of pagan religions as Gentiles brought into the originally Jewish assemblies their beliefs concerning life after death, fertility symbols, and other ideas that have become part of the Christian tradition.

I do not wish to make a cause célèbre of Christmas trees and Easter eggs, but the issue of Paradise versus the Kingdom of God has direct practical bearing on the way we Christians work out our salvation.

I looked at the statement of faith of our denomination (which is as good as any denomination!) and do you know what? The Kingdom of God is not mentioned. Since we are fundamental believers, how can this be? Check out the statement of faith of your denomination and see if you can find any statement about the Kingdom of God. You probably won’t because the Christians think the Kingdom has something to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses (bless them).

How could it be that a Bible-believing denomination does not mention the Kingdom of God in its statement of faith?

How did we get off the track? We still pray the Lord’s prayer, most of us, about the Kingdom of God coming to the earth. But we are looking forward to getting out of here, and you can’t blame us for that these days.

In any case we are mixed up and it is time now for the Lord to get us back on the track concerning the Kingdom of God.

There is Paradise and then there is the Kingdom of God. By the way, the manner in which we currently use the term Heaven makes it synonymous with “Paradise,” at least for our purposes here. So when we say “Paradise” we think of Heaven.

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (II Corinthians 12:4)
Paradise is a place. If you were wandering around the Persian Gulf a while back you would have seen a sign that said “You are now entering the country of Eden. Get your passport ready.”

After you entered Eden and traveled east for a while you would come to another sign, “Paradise City Limits.”

Paradise is a place. In Paradise was everything we could ever want in Heaven, including the Presence of God. There were no mansions because the weather was nice, like in Heaven.

Because we sinned God drove us from the garden and lifted Paradise out of Iraq up to the third heaven where it is to this day.

From some of the statements of the Prophet Isaiah it appears that Paradise will be restored to the earth when the Lord returns. The children will love this because then the earth will be such a splendid place in which to play.

There was a man hanging on a cross next to Jesus. We know nothing of the history of this individual. But we know he was a true man because he didn’t blame other people for his misbehavior.

But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:40-43)
“Today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

The criminal said, “Lord, remember me when You come into your kingdom.”

Your kingdom! He recognized Jesus as a king.

Then note Jesus’ answer: “Today you will be with Me in Paradise”; not in the Kingdom but in Paradise.

Why? Because Paradise is a place. Soon after this statement the man and Jesus were walking in the garden of God.

Why not the Kingdom of God? Because the Kingdom of God is not a place where you can take somebody, at least not in the present hour. You can bring someone under the rule of the Kingdom but not into the Kingdom itself. Let us go on to explain.

The Kingdom of God is God in Christ in the saints governing and blessing the creation of God. The Kingdom of God came into existence when the Lord Jesus rose from the dead.

The Kingdom of God is being created in response to the rebellion of the angels. The purpose of the Kingdom of God is to get the snakes out of Paradise. Sin is not only possible in Paradise, sin began in Paradise!

At some point in an era so far back in time as to be incomprehensible to us, Satan was one of two cherubim who overshadowed the Throne of God with their wings. While in the holiest area of all of the Paradise of God it came into Satan’s heart to rebel against God and to set himself above the other creatures of God.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isaiah 14:12-14)
Do you get the point? Going to Paradise does not solve the problem of sin. Sin began in Paradise. Going to Heaven will not solve the problem of sin for you. Sin began in Heaven around the Throne of God.

All that people could ever desire was to be found in the garden in Eden, including the Presence of the Lord as we said. There was also a snake from Heaven there. Think of it! A snake from Heaven! One thing was missing. Can you guess?

The Kingdom of God.

If the Kingdom of God had been formed in Eve she would have said, “Get behind me, heavenly snake!”

If the Kingdom of God had been formed in Adam he would have said, “For crying out loud, Eve, why did you do that?” They both would have spoken in Hebrew, of course.

You want to remember Eve was a sanguine creature, impulsive, whimsical, very dramatic, flitting from one interesting object to another, always pirouetting around and chattering merrily. Adam was a choleric personality but he loved his butterfly and indulged her. Eve was just what Adam needed to keep him from getting careless. However she had just made a serious move.

Had Christ been formed in him Adam would have brought Eve immediately before the Lord, asked forgiveness, got some clothes from the Lord, and promised that neither of them would eat any more apples. Something like this.

Are you beginning to get the picture? Paradise is a place. The Kingdom of God is the rule of God. If Adam or Eve or both of them had had the Kingdom of God in them they would not have sinned.

We teach that you have to be born again to be saved. What do we mean by saved? Do we mean we go to Paradise when we die? Or do we mean we are saved from sin so if we are tempted we do not eat apples when we have been told not to? Obviously going to a peaceful garden, and being immunized against, sin are not at all the same thing. Do you agree?

By now you probably are wondering whether or not you are saved.

The Bible does not say we have to be born again to be saved. It says we have to believe and be baptized to be saved. Right?

Aren’t being born again and believing and being baptized the same thing? Hardly.

Let me ask you. Is to believe something and to be immersed in water the same thing as being born?

To believe is one matter. To be baptized in water is something else again.

To be born of God, to actually be born of God, is different yet. Belief, water baptism, and being born again may take place at the same time but they are not the same thing, obviously.

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)
In America we use the term born-again Christian. We don’t know what we are talking about. We are referring to a religious conversion of some kind.

The Apostles, as recorded in the Book of Acts, never preached being born again.

To be born again is not referring to religious conversion. It is speaking of the Divine Substance of God being planted in our personality, like in the parable of the sower.

The parable of the sower is the main parable of the Kingdom of God. The seed that is sown is the Word of God, or Christ. In one instance the seed is snatched away before it germinates. In another it is crowded out by the cares of life and dies. In another it is in rocky soil (a hard heart) and does not send down roots. In time of severe trouble it withers and dies.

In a fourth instance the seed falls on an honest and good heart and brings forth eternal fruit. The amount of fruit varies from one person to another.

It is the Kingdom that is born in us (Paradise is not born in us!), and this is why we must be born again to see or enter the Kingdom.

The Kingdom of God is Christ, the Word of God, born in us. As Christ then is formed in us through all the graces God provides, we become increasingly righteous, holy, and obedient to God.

The only valid proof that Christ is being formed in you is that you are growing increasingly capable of recognizing good and evil (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for which Adam and Eve were not sufficiently prepared) and increasingly willing and strong enough to reject the evil and choose the good.

Can you see that this is God’s response to the original rebellion?

If Adam and Eve had been able to discern between good and evil, and willing and strong enough to reject the evil and choose the good, they still would be with us. (Talk about a population explosion!)

Can you see now why Satan has diverted Christian thinking from the Kingdom to going to Paradise to live forever in a mansion? Satan desires that every believer go to Heaven to live in a mansion and do nothing so Satan can be free to enjoy himself. What Satan wants is for sin to continue in the earth.

The Kingdom of God is the Word of God formed in us a line at a time. It requires patient endurance if we are to be able to stand up under the dealings of God.

What is the big picture? The big picture is that of God creating people forever. Of the increase of Christ’s Kingdom and of peace there shall be no end.

What is going on now? Now there is being formed a governing priesthood. The priesthood is being prepared to govern God’s children forever. We are, as James says, a firstfruits of mankind.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

Na Jehovah witness people fit explain that one ooo

Toxicy2kwap:
1kings 8:49- heaven is where God and d angels reside

The kingdom of God as referred to in d Lord's prayer, is God's government. For instance, let's say Buhari's kingdom ie Buhari's government. It is run from Abuja, God's kingdom is run from heaven. Buhari's government covers the entire Nigerian territory, God's kingdom covers heaven and earth. Buhari is king of his kingdom, Jesus is king of God's kingdom. Buhari has people ruling alongside him(senators, governors, ministers etc) Jesus would have corulers, they number 144,000. (Rev 14:1). Buhari is the only president of Nigeria but his tenure is limited (4 or 8 years). Jesus will rule forever and will be d only king over all the earth.

When you hear of paradise, what comes to mind is the garden of Eden. Think about it, what is God's purpose for the earth? Gen 1:28, psalm 115:15. Can you say that God has fulfilled his plan for the earth? Not really. Soon this earth shall become paradise again which is when God's kingdom comes to this earth. By that time there will be no Satan, wicked people, sickness. Sorrowing or hunger. Life will be just as easy as it was for Adam and Eve.

Can you now c why Jesus asked that we pray for God's kingdom to come?

wow. insightful . thanks

joceey:
PARADISE AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:43)
A dramatic change has occurred in the preaching of the Gospel. What began in the first century as a call to repentance in light of the soon coming of the Kingdom of God to the earth has been altered to a flight of the believers to Heaven.

This alteration has serious consequences. The most serious consequence is that most of what Paul commanded has become irrelevant. Paul taught that we have to be changed so we can be part of the Kingdom of God, that those who sin cannot inherit the Kingdom.

The Christians today do not understand the difference between Paradise (Heaven) and the Kingdom of God. They view salvation as a movement from earth to Paradise rather than what it is, the forming of Christ (who is the Kingdom) in the believer.

Satan would love it if all the believers would go to Heaven and stay there in mansions doing nothing of significance. But the thought of Christ being formed in a believer sends the demons scurrying for cover.

Yesterday, Sunday morning, a young lady accosted me after the service and said, “Pastor, you mentioned that Paradise is a place and the Kingdom of God is some kind of abstraction. I’ve been here seventeen years and I don’t understand the Kingdom of God.”

This started me thinking and so last night during the service we talked some about Paradise and the Kingdom of God.

I have now (Monday morning—supposed to be my day off) taken computer in hand to reward you with a continuation of the discussion of Paradise and the Kingdom of God. MacDonald said in Phantastes something to the effect that he had started to write and didn’t know where it was going. This is the condition I am in now because the Kingdom of God is a tremendous subject. I trust the Holy Spirit to give understanding at this point.

First of all, it is interesting that John the Baptist, Jesus, and the Apostle Paul preached the Kingdom of God. This was the original Gospel message. “Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand,” as though the Kingdom is coming to the earth.

In the early history of the Church the message changed to “Repent so you can go to Heaven.” How this happened I do not know. It probably had something to do with the philosophy of Gnosticism and the influx of pagan religions as Gentiles brought into the originally Jewish assemblies their beliefs concerning life after death, fertility symbols, and other ideas that have become part of the Christian tradition.

I do not wish to make a cause célèbre of Christmas trees and Easter eggs, but the issue of Paradise versus the Kingdom of God has direct practical bearing on the way we Christians work out our salvation.

I looked at the statement of faith of our denomination (which is as good as any denomination!) and do you know what? The Kingdom of God is not mentioned. Since we are fundamental believers, how can this be? Check out the statement of faith of your denomination and see if you can find any statement about the Kingdom of God. You probably won’t because the Christians think the Kingdom has something to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses (bless them).

How could it be that a Bible-believing denomination does not mention the Kingdom of God in its statement of faith?

How did we get off the track? We still pray the Lord’s prayer, most of us, about the Kingdom of God coming to the earth. But we are looking forward to getting out of here, and you can’t blame us for that these days.

In any case we are mixed up and it is time now for the Lord to get us back on the track concerning the Kingdom of God.

There is Paradise and then there is the Kingdom of God. By the way, the manner in which we currently use the term Heaven makes it synonymous with “Paradise,” at least for our purposes here. So when we say “Paradise” we think of Heaven.

How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (II Corinthians 12:4)
Paradise is a place. If you were wandering around the Persian Gulf a while back you would have seen a sign that said “You are now entering the country of Eden. Get your passport ready.”

After you entered Eden and traveled east for a while you would come to another sign, “Paradise City Limits.”

Paradise is a place. In Paradise was everything we could ever want in Heaven, including the Presence of God. There were no mansions because the weather was nice, like in Heaven.

Because we sinned God drove us from the garden and lifted Paradise out of Iraq up to the third heaven where it is to this day.

From some of the statements of the Prophet Isaiah it appears that Paradise will be restored to the earth when the Lord returns. The children will love this because then the earth will be such a splendid place in which to play.

There was a man hanging on a cross next to Jesus. We know nothing of the history of this individual. But we know he was a true man because he didn’t blame other people for his misbehavior.

But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:40-43)
“Today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

The criminal said, “Lord, remember me when You come into your kingdom.”

Your kingdom! He recognized Jesus as a king.

Then note Jesus’ answer: “Today you will be with Me in Paradise”; not in the Kingdom but in Paradise.

Why? Because Paradise is a place. Soon after this statement the man and Jesus were walking in the garden of God.

Why not the Kingdom of God? Because the Kingdom of God is not a place where you can take somebody, at least not in the present hour. You can bring someone under the rule of the Kingdom but not into the Kingdom itself. Let us go on to explain.

The Kingdom of God is God in Christ in the saints governing and blessing the creation of God. The Kingdom of God came into existence when the Lord Jesus rose from the dead.

The Kingdom of God is being created in response to the rebellion of the angels. The purpose of the Kingdom of God is to get the snakes out of Paradise. Sin is not only possible in Paradise, sin began in Paradise!

At some point in an era so far back in time as to be incomprehensible to us, Satan was one of two cherubim who overshadowed the Throne of God with their wings. While in the holiest area of all of the Paradise of God it came into Satan’s heart to rebel against God and to set himself above the other creatures of God.

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (Isaiah 14:12-14)
Do you get the point? Going to Paradise does not solve the problem of sin. Sin began in Paradise. Going to Heaven will not solve the problem of sin for you. Sin began in Heaven around the Throne of God.

All that people could ever desire was to be found in the garden in Eden, including the Presence of the Lord as we said. There was also a snake from Heaven there. Think of it! A snake from Heaven! One thing was missing. Can you guess?

The Kingdom of God.

If the Kingdom of God had been formed in Eve she would have said, “Get behind me, heavenly snake!”

If the Kingdom of God had been formed in Adam he would have said, “For crying out loud, Eve, why did you do that?” They both would have spoken in Hebrew, of course.

You want to remember Eve was a sanguine creature, impulsive, whimsical, very dramatic, flitting from one interesting object to another, always pirouetting around and chattering merrily. Adam was a choleric personality but he loved his butterfly and indulged her. Eve was just what Adam needed to keep him from getting careless. However she had just made a serious move.

Had Christ been formed in him Adam would have brought Eve immediately before the Lord, asked forgiveness, got some clothes from the Lord, and promised that neither of them would eat any more apples. Something like this.

Are you beginning to get the picture? Paradise is a place. The Kingdom of God is the rule of God. If Adam or Eve or both of them had had the Kingdom of God in them they would not have sinned.

We teach that you have to be born again to be saved. What do we mean by saved? Do we mean we go to Paradise when we die? Or do we mean we are saved from sin so if we are tempted we do not eat apples when we have been told not to? Obviously going to a peaceful garden, and being immunized against, sin are not at all the same thing. Do you agree?

By now you probably are wondering whether or not you are saved.

The Bible does not say we have to be born again to be saved. It says we have to believe and be baptized to be saved. Right?

Aren’t being born again and believing and being baptized the same thing? Hardly.

Let me ask you. Is to believe something and to be immersed in water the same thing as being born?

To believe is one matter. To be baptized in water is something else again.

To be born of God, to actually be born of God, is different yet. Belief, water baptism, and being born again may take place at the same time but they are not the same thing, obviously.

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:13)
In America we use the term born-again Christian. We don’t know what we are talking about. We are referring to a religious conversion of some kind.

The Apostles, as recorded in the Book of Acts, never preached being born again.

To be born again is not referring to religious conversion. It is speaking of the Divine Substance of God being planted in our personality, like in the parable of the sower.

The parable of the sower is the main parable of the Kingdom of God. The seed that is sown is the Word of God, or Christ. In one instance the seed is snatched away before it germinates. In another it is crowded out by the cares of life and dies. In another it is in rocky soil (a hard heart) and does not send down roots. In time of severe trouble it withers and dies.

In a fourth instance the seed falls on an honest and good heart and brings forth eternal fruit. The amount of fruit varies from one person to another.

It is the Kingdom that is born in us (Paradise is not born in us!), and this is why we must be born again to see or enter the Kingdom.

The Kingdom of God is Christ, the Word of God, born in us. As Christ then is formed in us through all the graces God provides, we become increasingly righteous, holy, and obedient to God.

The only valid proof that Christ is being formed in you is that you are growing increasingly capable of recognizing good and evil (the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for which Adam and Eve were not sufficiently prepared) and increasingly willing and strong enough to reject the evil and choose the good.

Can you see that this is God’s response to the original rebellion?

If Adam and Eve had been able to discern between good and evil, and willing and strong enough to reject the evil and choose the good, they still would be with us. (Talk about a population explosion!)

Can you see now why Satan has diverted Christian thinking from the Kingdom to going to Paradise to live forever in a mansion? Satan desires that every believer go to Heaven to live in a mansion and do nothing so Satan can be free to enjoy himself. What Satan wants is for sin to continue in the earth.

The Kingdom of God is the Word of God formed in us a line at a time. It requires patient endurance if we are to be able to stand up under the dealings of God.

What is the big picture? The big picture is that of God creating people forever. Of the increase of Christ’s Kingdom and of peace there shall be no end.

What is going on now? Now there is being formed a governing priesthood. The priesthood is being prepared to govern God’s children forever. We are, as James says, a firstfruits of mankind.

Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

Amazing. thanks

Paradise is where the saints will live in after final judgement.

Paradise is in Heaven. The Heaven is God's abode.
Both the heavens and paradise are Gods' kingdom. He's king over the heavens.

MadeINchenzen2:

■ Paradise/Abraham's Bosom are merely euphemisms for the grave where the righteous go when they die. The righteous are said to sleep in the grave awaiting the resurrection of the righteous and so the grave is called paradise or Abraham's bosom.
■ The Kingdom of God is the Eternal Kingdom ruled over by Jesus Christ that Jesus Christ promised to His followers. Those who are born-again are granted citizenship in the Kingdom to begin their journey inside of it as followers of Jesus Christ.
■ Heaven aka Eternal Reward is a place inside of the Kingdom of God where the righteous among the followers of Jesus Christ will end up after Jesus Christ returns and judges them.
■ Hell Fire aka Eternal Damnation is the place of punishment located inside of the Kingdom of God where the unrighteous among the followers of Jesus Christ will end up after Jesus Christ returns and judges everyone inside of His Kingdom.