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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by sagir1994(m): 5:48am On Apr 25, 2020
nairavsdollars:
Whats wrong in lecturers having multiple jobs? As long as they are not ghost workers
how can you have multiple jobs with multiple universities and not be a ghost worker? Common think hard lady.

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by osazsky(m): 5:57am On Apr 25, 2020
MoIbrahim:


That is not their priority. They have destroyed hospitals, the current targets are our universities. God save Nigeria
oga shut up if u have nothing to say...even if assu goes to court they would still loose.i employed u as my sales girl...I said I will be paying u thru cash transfer and u common sales girl said I must pay u by cash....its a lost battle already

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by keshconnections: 6:46am On Apr 25, 2020
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Profaugie(m): 7:41am On Apr 25, 2020
If FG was sincere, with Presidential approval and directive, all ASUU members would have gotten their salaries by now. It's quite unfortunate how intellectuals are treated like beggars in this country.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Profaugie(m): 7:45am On Apr 25, 2020
rexlims:
very lame excuse from FG.
my reasons are;
1. is it that before now these lecturers receive their stipends by hand?
2. is FG saying that these lectures teaching in other schools use different names and Ids?
If FG was sincere, with Presidential approval and directive, all ASUU members would have gotten their salaries by now. It's quite unfortunate how intellectuals are treated like beggars in this country.

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Nukilia: 8:02am On Apr 25, 2020
DavidEsq:

She dem help rig election na. Dem never see fire. Foolish illiterates, masquerading as educationists.

You are right! The problem we have on our hands today is because the academia in Nigeria was party to the establishment of illegality and stupidity in this nation. When I saw a professor supporting Tinubu and APC party grin grin, then I knew the origin of the problem of this nation and the failure that has besieged our society. The youths of this nation wander about hopelessly and nothing really works because we have lots of terrible folks dotted all over our citadels of learning
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Nukilia: 8:04am On Apr 25, 2020
Profaugie:

If FG was sincere, with Presidential approval and directive, all ASUU members would have gotten their salaries by now. It's quite unfortunate how intellectuals are treated like beggars in this country.
They deserve to be treated like beggars! Nigerian youths passing through the institutions in Nigeria have suffered terribly in the hands of ASUU.

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Nukilia: 8:06am On Apr 25, 2020
IkpuNnegiEwu44:


When they were using them to rig election, they never knew it will be like this afterwards.

I feel really bad about ASUU and their cronies for supporting the likes of Bihari... Shame on them grin

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Tilykay(m): 8:20am On Apr 25, 2020
Charleys:
By The government is using that BVN to deduct their salaries, the ones that submitted, their salaries have not been consistent.

Several deductions every month.
And there are no bonuses, the Lecturers depend on those bonuses too.

But I think, they promised that all those irregularities would be adjusted with time. Its how it is when one is newly migrated to the platform.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Charleys: 8:31am On Apr 25, 2020
Tilykay:


But I think, they promised that all those irregularities would be adjusted with time. Its how it is when one is newly migrated to the platform.

And you believed this, you are at their mercy. They are looking for a way to pay the Chinese debt.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Badb0y4lyf(m): 8:40am On Apr 25, 2020
It is done all over there is noting wrong in lecturers having double jobs some even take sabbatical and lecture aboard and get paid Buhari and FG should mind their business after all Buhari is doing double Job president and petroleum minister and am dem sure his getting salary and allowance for both offices.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by International28: 9:01am On Apr 25, 2020
ejibaba:


Exactly the point... Government has it why ask them to submit? Pally, they are not ready to pay...The so called multiple salaries are sabbaticals and adjunct positions, which is normal within the university system globally...why is it a problem in Nigeria...Excess workload is for teaching more than 30 students and that's in your school not other schools

Please, throw more light on "sabbaticals and adjunct positions" in relation to the Nigerian university system.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by LibrarianD: 9:01am On Apr 25, 2020
Toxic hate for ASUU right here!

Well there is no need to emphasize the obvious that ASUU is a union to beat. A lot of Nigerians chose to be uninformed on the workings of academic institutions. They'll rather tout government propaganda. ASUU does not thrive on propaganda, the intellectuals see through the deceit of politicians

I may be right that over 90% of comments here are from graduates that benefitted from highly subsidised tertiary education that ASUU gave them at the expense of robust take home.

They'll come here to lament their fate and generalize based on that. They would rather have ASUU submit to FG's antic of privatising public universities through Babalakin (a capitalist) led FG negotiation team. One of the FG's proposal is to introduce a fee of 300, 000 - 500 000 for undergraduate programmes. This would price tertiary education beyond the reach of 80% of Nigerians. They see ASUU as a union that must be tamed to achieve this and willing tools are those that benefitted from a highly subsidised university education.

This same wailers would still come here and complain of senior ASUU members doing more than one job, well you can't blame them, they are just wallowing in information poverty.

The same short sightedness would make them register for a postgraduate degree without considering the industry need for that specialization. Postgraduate degrees are to solve problems you don't just register for a postgraduate course because you like the name, find a knowledge gap in your discipline and train your self to fill the gap. If you don't the senior ASUU members will continue to hold 3 or more adjunct lecturership positions and there is nothing you or the FG can do about that.

Stop thinking of universities as an IDP camp for the unemployed. ASUU is not your enemy, politicians are!!! They are not aware that our health institutions lack facilities and resources till Corona did a system reset. Should we wait till when we have a national crisis before we fund education?
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by DavidEsq(m): 9:10am On Apr 25, 2020
Nukilia:


You are right! The problem we have on our hands today is because the academia in Nigeria was party to the establishment of illegality and stupidity in this nation. When I saw a professor supporting Tinubu and APC party grin grin, then I knew the origin of the problem of this nation and the failure that has besieged our society. The youths of this nation wander about hopelessly and nothing really works because we have lots of terrible folks dotted all over our citadels of learning

Very correct. #100

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by omonnakoda: 9:19am On Apr 25, 2020
LibrarianD:
Toxic hate for ASUU right here!

Well there is no need to emphasize the obvious that ASUU is a union to beat. A lot of Nigerians chose to be uninformed on the workings of academic institutions. They'll rather tout government propaganda. ASUU does not thrive on propaganda, the intellectuals see through the deceit of politicians

I may be right that over 90% of comments here are from graduates that benefitted from highly subsidised tertiary education that ASUU gave them at the expense of robust take home.

They'll come here to lament their fate and generalize based on that. They would rather have ASUU submit to FG's antic of privatising public universities through Babalakin (a capitalist) led FG negotiation team. One of the FG's proposal is to introduce a fee of 300, 000 - 500 000 for undergraduate programmes. This would price tertiary education beyond the reach of 80% of Nigerians. They see ASUU as a union that must be tamed to achieve this and willing tools are those that benefitted from a highly subsidised university education.

This same wailers would still come here and complain of senior ASUU members doing more than one job, well you can't blame them, they are just wallowing in information poverty.

The same short sightedness would make them register for a postgraduate degree without considering the industry need for that specialization. Postgraduate degrees are to solve problems you don't just register for a postgraduate course because you like the name, find a knowledge gap in your discipline and train your self to fill the gap. If you don't the senior ASUU members will continue to hold 3 or more adjunct lecturership positions and there is nothing you or the FG can do about that.

Stop thinking of universities as an IDP camp for the unemployed. ASUU is not your enemy, politicians are!!! They are not aware that our health institutions lack facilities and resources till Corona did a system reset. Should we wait till when we have a national crisis before we fund education?
You are mixing things up .
1. I Support the position of ASUU on autonomy and have done so consistently on this thread
2. Whether or not universities are privatized has nothing to do with this issue
3. Nigeria cannot afford free university education for the current population
3 whether it cost 300k or 1 million is down to market forces we need to improve the quality of our university education and emphasise quality over quantity. It has to be PAID FOR.
4. How it is paid for is an entirely different debate and one I welcome but with our population and debt the bitter truth is people have to pay if they want quality university education. We should concentrate less public money on university education and more on skills acquisition and training that will LEAD to jobs not funding people to study Law,History etc. People will have to get loans to pay for quality university education that is inescapable
Let us fund training for shoemakers, tailors furniture makers that will make stuff we import currently
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by oluwaseunla(m): 9:49am On Apr 25, 2020
International28:


Please, throw more light on "sabbaticals and adjunct positions" in relation to the Nigerian university system.

Most Universities hire someone as an adjunct lecturer because they need someone in a field that does not have specialists readily available. So they go to other schools and hire the specialist to come teach that field on a part time basis in their own school as adjunct lecturers. Most adjunct lecturers are paid once in a semester.

A sabbatical leave is generally given to a lecturer once in 7 years. In that period, you are allowed to go lecture in another University, most times for a full year while still in full employment at your primary institution. It is also a worldwide standard practice.

People are saying that Universities should instead absorb people that don't have jobs. This cannot be done because of NUC regulations. There are minimum qualifications specified by NUC generally based on years of teaching experience in the University and number of publications. Universities strive to meet up by utilizing the sabbatical and adjunct staff in the interim, while they develop their own people to meet up with the standards.

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Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by LibrarianD: 10:07am On Apr 25, 2020
omonnakoda:

You are mixing things up .
12. Whether or not universities are privatized has nothing to do with this issue
3. Nigeria cannot afford free university education for the current population
3 whether it cost 300k or 1 million is down to market forces we need to improve the quality of our university education and emphasise quality over quantity. It has to be PAID FOR.
4. How it is paid for is an entirely different debate and one I welcome but with our population and debt the bitter truth is people have to pay if they want quality university education.

My comment was a general response to all the comments I've read here, so the issue of mix up does not arise.

Nigeria cannot afford number 3 according to you but can use about 25% of the budget to fund the national assembly? Nigeria is definitely not poor as the politicians want you to believe.

One major difference btw the first nations and the third world is the % of their budget allocated to the education of citizens. The system is so effective that you can opt out of the university to solve a global problem immediately you identify one. I am sure it was not done through a centralized system but an effective peer review system. The peer review mechanism in Nigeria university system will be greatly reduced with a centralized payroll system because IPPIS cannot be customized for such.


The end game of IPPIS is to further reduce the quality of public universities.

You've really made sound submissions for quality but are we there yet? If we have the state of the art facilities that can attract international students, we can go ahead and privatize.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by MoIbrahim: 10:24am On Apr 25, 2020
osazsky:
oga shut up if u have nothing to say...even if assu goes to court they would still loose.i employed u as my sales girl...I said I will be paying u thru cash transfer and u common sales girl said I must pay u by cash....its a lost battle already

Oga shut up your mouth there!
You think a government employee (professional or not) is like the common sales boys and girls that you people employ and dictate unrealistic terms to? In case you do no know the labour law, please go and study it.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Japhet31: 10:39am On Apr 25, 2020
GreenKalada:
The bastard lecturers should forward their BVN. Thief's all they k ow is to collect sorting from students... Useless fools


If you're asked to sort and you go ahead... You're the one being foolish...

You don't need to sort if you had read your books and answered the questions correctly... But for some of you... You will be d ones looking to sort..... and when you are correctly invigilated or prevented from copying or cheating in the exams.... And your sorting all refused....you will still tag them as sadists...

You guys are now on extended break....you won't read o... Then you resume and start failing tests.... you'll be tagging the tutors as wicked. Smh for Nigerian public universities' students
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by zicoy6k: 11:01am On Apr 25, 2020
I have read many comments here and realized that almost everyone has no idea how the university system works and they are quick to make ignorant comments. There is a lot to say but I'll just focus on lecturers teaching in more than one university.

ASUU COLLECTING MULTIPLE SALARIES?


One. As at today there is no Nigerian University that is okay with its staffing needs, probably only the 1st and 2nd generation ones. Most of the remaining Universities including those set up by Presidents Jonathan and later Buhari are surviving due to:

1 Sabbatical staffers
2 Visiting staffers
3 Contract staffers

Most of these staffers are recruited from the existing staffers of other federal Universities. These same staffers are the ones servicing most state and private universities.

Consequently, going by FG insistence on IPPIS, it is saying to other universities to close shop, because with this payment method in place, all staffers spread through out the country, earning legitimate salary will either forfeit their main salary or the allowances as a result of servicing other universities that need their services.

Two, the current number of academic staffers which is about 40,000 is grossly inadequate for FG and State Universities, that is why there is the need for adjunct staffers from within.

Three, the idea that we should recruit new staffers from the large pool of unemployed youth in the country is not tenable, because there is the policy of Staff Mix as enshrined in the NUC BMAS, you can not just employ a Professor or Senior Lecturer from the open market.

So you see, FG policy inconsistencies is the bane. They are always setting up new universities without concurrent staff ration on ground. If the Managements of the institutions in trying to survive recruit sabbatical, visiting and contract staffers from within the system, the FG accuse them of paying same staffers double salaries and you want to use IPPIS or another policy to weed out ghost workers.

So you see! ASUU is trying to protect the system from all angles. If the FG does not want sabbatical and other adjunct staffers in other universities as it is derailing the system, let them close ALL universities using them as their permanent staffers. It is as simple as that.

By so doing most State Universities and newly created FG universities will cease to exist. Forget about Private universities, they are surviving because of this same system that the FG abhors.

It should be noted that sabbatical and visiting staffing are common practices in academia all over the world.

ASUU is not a one armed bandit as it is portrayed. It is the Union that is the saviour of the system. If today ASUU will be adamant and say "hey go to hell, let all our members stay in their original places of work, no more sabbatical, visiting and other adjunct services", half of the universities will close shop.

Hate or love the Union, for ASUU it is inconsequential!

Starve the staffers to death!

Strangle the educational system to death!

Deliberately kill the educational system!

ASUU will continue to fight.

If the Union survived the subversive boots of the military, babbar riga and gowns of the civilians can not be that intimidative!

Dare to confront injustice!

ASUU is not out to court SYMPATHY!
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Smakjay(m): 11:09am On Apr 25, 2020
They will soon come to that. Time will tell especially after the lecturers
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by BAMSRAY(m): 11:29am On Apr 25, 2020
What about those that have 2 BVN

Gov't should be wise,use of IPPIS is the best I think
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by Mryacks: 11:46am On Apr 25, 2020
ERockson:
University lecturers are not sincere anyway. What's so difficult in releasing their BVN if they are not as corrupt as our politicians

Therein is the problem....they are as "corrupt as the politicians" hence all this back n forth over the matter.
Re: ASUU Salaries: Use Of BVN Will Expose Lecturers With Multiple Jobs – FG by omonnakoda: 12:43pm On Apr 25, 2020
LibrarianD:


My comment was a general response to all the comments I've read here, so the issue of mix up does not arise.

Nigeria cannot afford number 3 according to you but can use about 25% of the budget to fund the national assembly? Nigeria is definitely not poor as the politicians want you to believe.

One major difference btw the first nations and the third world is the % of their budget allocated to the education of citizens. The system is so effective that you can opt out of the university to solve a global problem immediately you identify one. I am sure it was not done through a centralized system but an effective peer review system. The peer review mechanism in Nigeria university system will be greatly reduced with a centralized payroll system because IPPIS cannot be customized for such.


The end game of IPPIS is to further reduce the quality of public universities.

You've really made sound submissions for quality but are we there yet? If we have the state of the art facilities that can attract international students, we can go ahead and privatize.

You are clearly derailing
Can you substantiate your RIDICULOUS claim that 25% of the budget goes to fund the National Assembly?
You continue to mix things up

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