YOU GUYS CANNOT HELP IT, IT MUST BE IN YOUR BLOOD

Please correct me if I am wrong. I have had many Nigerian friends over the years, and I only met one who was a honest man. Not because it was his personality, just because he was too scared of GOD. He was one of those born again christians

Anyways back to my story,

I am american (white) but I live in Europe. I have had 2 very close (many years) Nigerian friends who both fuked me.

I gave one of your BROTHERS the chance of a lifetime to do a car export thing from the EU. Everything went fine the first 2 times. Now the stories have started, in the end, he ran with 20,000usd of my hard earned money. He might think everything is fine but I am in contact with a very good lawyer in Lagos and I will find of where he lives since I have all of his real information. I will sue him in Nigerian court. I know i will probably not get my money back, but I will be happy knowing that his family will suffer for the rest of their lives. I will make him go to court every week if I must. Money is of no problem on my side. He will soon find out that 20,000 will not last forever. I hope his wife, mother, children, and grandchildren have to suffer.

I will also do everything in my power to get his Shengen Visa revoked. He is a convicted drug smuggler in Switzerland but his Visa country (greece) does not know about it. I will even have lawyers send all of his info to INTERPOL so they can keep an eye on him.

If any of you know some badboys that want to get paid to do some work, let me know. HAHA but no money up front, to Nigeria. Just when the job is done.

This should be a lesson to any scammer motherfukers on this board. Not all white boys are pussies like you think. You can do these thing and run home, but I guarantee if I got my hands on him, he would never see his kids again, or mayb i'll send him home as a cripple.

YOU people should be ashamed of BROTHERS like this. THIS IS THE REASON YOU WILL ALWAYS BE 2ND CLASS CITIZENS. NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING BLACK. JUST BEING NIGERIAN IS ENOUGH.

omerta60 (at) hotmail. com

No answers?

Is scamming or fraud not a part of Nigerian culture? Where and how did it start? I believe it makes up a pig piece of your GDP. Isn't that a joke,

I know a lot of 419 bastards are trying to "get back at the white man"

But do you know that if you want to achieve something than you have to work hard at it. Black or White.

So why are Nigerians so stupid to think that they are achieving something by OBT? all your are doing is making your nation look like a joke.

Shame on you NIGERIA

Wow!
I'm sorry about your loss. No hardworking man would celebrate a loss of hard-earned money.
In answer to your question - No, scamming is not a part of our culture. You just fell into the hands of a man with no cultural value

Well, it's funny that this is the second Nigerian that has done me wrong. And the funny thing is that even other africans that I know have horror stories of how their Nigerian buddies have scammed them one way or the other.

The common denominator is, : nigeria

I read somewhere some time ago '. . . satisfy a customer's need, he introduces you to three other customers, annoy a customer, he dissuades 11 other potential customers from patronising you'
I am a Nigerian and I know a million and one other Nigerian who like me would never 'harvest where we did not plant'. This group of Nigerians know that a good name is worth more than silver or gold.
Once again, i'm sorry about your loss.

Question, if a woman or two should cheat on their husbands, does that mean all women are cheats? If we hear of violence and drug dealingsfrom American communities, does that mean all American communities are violent and addicted to drugs? hey, common I think its very wrong to generalize just because you got the wrong type of people twice. So many Nigerians abhor scams, and would never do anything to cheat someone out of even a penny. go get the right kind of friends.

Stocker123:

No answers?

Is scamming or fraud not a part of Nigerian culture? Where and how did it start? I believe it makes up a pig piece of your GDP. Isn't that a joke,

I know a lot of 419 bastards are trying to "get back at the white man"

But do you know that if you want to achieve something than you have to work hard at it. Black or White.

So why are Nigerians so silly to think that they are achieving something by OBT? all your are doing is making your nation look like a joke.

Shame on you NIGERIA

sorry to say this but i think you need to check your brain out to see it there is still a brain there or just sea weed

gun violence in america, is it part of america culture or in there gene

being gay in western countries is it part of there culture

insurance theft in your country is it part of your culture

si stealing arts from africa and other countries part of your culture

why generalise like that that scramming is a culture are you that ignorant and stu.pid

the question u should be asking is why do they scam; and the answer to your question is that they do it just like the your people steal from others, which is wrong

the nigerian government that should be doing something about it are busy stealing oil to your country at a cheaper price

doing oil bonkary etc just to make your lifes in the western countries better

does that answer your question

alj-harem:

sorry to say this but i think you need to check your brain out to see it there is still a brain there or just sea weed

gun violence in america, is it part of america culture or in there gene

being gay in western countries is it part of there culture

insurance theft in your country is it part of your culture

si stealing arts from africa and other countries part of your culture

why generalise like that that scramming is a culture are you that ignorant and stu.pid

the question u should be asking is why do they scam; and the answer to your question is that they do it just like the your people steal from others, which is wrong

the nigerian government that should be doing something about it are busy stealing oil to your country at a cheaper price

doing oil bonkary etc just to make your lifes in the western countries better

does that answer your question

This American, Mr. Stocker lists his location as Austria, the home of the world renowned Josef Fritzl (MD, MPH, Ph.D, D. Litt, FRS, Order of Vienna, Golden Medal of Austria, etc.)

Going by his line of reasoning, sadistic basement despoil and impregnation of one's own daughters is thoroughly enmeshed within Austrian culture and "in their blood". Depraved sadistic tendencies are possibly part of the motivation for their Nazi past. It would certainly explain a lot going by his reasoning. He ought to get out of there quick before he wakes up to find himself in a cellar getting manhandled and thoroughly buttraped by a large Austrian bear of a man in an old SS uniform. Or maybe a small and weaselly but equally sadistic Hans Landa type will deal with him.

It's only a matter of time.




The Master has spoken.

First of all you calling me a Nazi because I live in Austria is just plain funny. I am Jewish. Not like you fake wannabe "original jews" or whatever you call yourselves.

Second of all, anyone who knows anything will not be able to deny that american blacks are the king of ass raping, but i'm sure you like to get love from the homies too,

Go scam someone, and blame in on my great grandfather,

Your mother has spoken

Stocker123:

First of all you calling me a Nazi because I live in Austria is just plain funny. I am Jewish. Not like you fake wannabe "original jews" or whatever you call yourselves.

Second of all, anyone who knows anything will not be able to deny that american blacks are the king of backside despoiling, but i'm sure you like to get love from the homies too,

Go scam someone, and blame in on my great grandfather,

Your mother has spoken

Comprehension problems, little stocker boy?

I never called you a Nazi, you twit. Has all that Austrian buttrape broken you and left you mentally impaired? Also I don't claim "original Israelite" or whatever so keep that crap to yourself.

I was mocking your reasoning. Going by your reasoning, you live in a country of historically deranged sadists. I'm only concerned for your safety.


Remember what Elfriede Jelinek had to say about Austria's dirty laundry after the Fritzl case? And what about Josef Haslinger?


'Josef Haslinger, a novelist, thinks Austria’s habit of sweeping unpleasant bits of history under the carpet may have something to do with Amstetten’s blindness to Fritzl’s subterranean world.

“There is this pretty, shiny surface that Austrians like to show, but it hides a monstrosity,” he said. “On the surface we have moral standards and enlightened policies, but in the background we have this perverse world that nobody wants to talk about. We are still not able to accept our mistakes. So forgetting has become part of the mentality. If you look too closely you might have to act. So nobody looks.”

The theme dominates much Austrian art, particularly novels by Elfriede Jelinek, who has been accused of executing “hysterical” portraits of Austrian perversity. Tales from the Vienna Woods, a play by Odon Von Horvath that debuted in Berlin in 1938, also high-lighted the syndrome.

“The Austrian character has a hidden, dark side,” said Haslinger. “If we talk about it so much in our art, there must be something there in reality.”

Haslinger was not alone in pointing his finger at a national malaise. Kampusch, who was a freckle-faced 10-year-old when she was kidnapped on her way to school in 1998, said she thinks Austria’s past complicity with the Nazis is at least partly to blame.

Abuse exists worldwide, she said, “but I think it’s also a ramification of the second world war”. During the Nazi era, “the suppression of women was propagated, an authori-tarian education was very important”, added the 19-year-old, whose dramatic escape from her own dungeon of despair in August 2006 captured global attention.

She was suggesting that Fritzl, who told his daughter that she would be “gassed” if she tried to escape from the bunker, belonged to a generation that thought it could get away with anything. '





Herr Stockmeister, I'm seriously concerned for your safety. You're standing on dangerous ground, it seems. Don't leave a non-Jewish Austrian around any cellar door or basement entrance when next you visit someone. The cellar party that might ensue might not be too pleasant.


- The Master

no, I understood you quite well.

I am very happy that your US education taught you how to use google. Affirmative action works!!! Thank god, because you'd probably be scamming people if it didn't. Even though you have been brainwashed, please never forget where your true ROOTS are.

I can use goggle too,

How about there is a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to your "couple of bad apples"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance-fee_fraud

I found a picture of your friends:

http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=http://www.belch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nigerian-scammers.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.belch.com/blog/tag/nigeria/&usg=__MDm2flbTUdBXwNSEAu_6VhfJWrI=&h=624&w=500&sz=78&hl=de&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=8qv9QbIZjj8yzM:&tbnh=157&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnigerian%2Bscams%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D635%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C176&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=140&vpy=241&dur=460&hovh=195&hovw=156&tx=99&ty=119&ei=ULwuTdfeBcaWOqS96LcJ&oei=ULwuTdfeBcaWOqS96LcJ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0&biw=1280&bih=635



Keep your childish azz penetrati.ng remarks to yourself. If you are into that thing that's fine. Our country will still embrace you and you don't have to be afraid you are going to loose your welfare checks.

Straight from the World Fact Book:

Nigeria is a transit point for heroin and cocaine intended for European, East Asian, and North American markets; consumer of amphetamines; safe haven for Nigerian narcotraffickers operating worldwide; major money-laundering center; massive corruption and criminal activity; Nigeria has improved some anti-money-laundering controls, resulting in its removal from the Financial Action Task Force's (FATF's) Noncooperative Countries and Territories List in June 2006; Nigeria's anti-money-laundering regime continues to be monitored by FATF

Now that is something to be proud of. way to bring up your kids. Tell them "yes, our country is fuked up, but please don' t try to change anything, lets just blame it on the white man because he enslaved us 200 years ago. And I think that's where my back pains are stemming from, so Jr. please scam so I can get my 40 acres and a mule."

Like I said, my family was also in a bad situation a couple of generations ago. No complaining, just hard work got us to where we are today. And I will continue on this route, just like scammers will continue in theirs. Must not be a lot of morals passed down in Nigerian homes.

Stocker123:

no, I understood you quite well.

Actually, you clearly failed. I never called you a Nazi, but you were too mentally handicapped to grasp that. I mocked the idea of assuming sadism was enmeshed in Austrian culture and in every Austrians "blood."

But don't worry. I expect that kind of intellectual dishonesty from you.

I am very happy that your US education taught you how to use google. Affirmative action works!!!

Google? Dummy, I've read Jelinek's work and that of Musil and Broch and many other writers. And I had already read the article I quoted from after the Fritzl affair. I find her world view interesting, although I usually disagree with almost all of it.

Affirmative action? My son, don't mix up groups. First you make some bizarre reference to African Americans and the groups among them that claim to be the "only true Israelites" and now you're making bizarre claims about affirmative action. Kid, you're on a Nigerian forum, so keep all affirmative action whining to yourself. Nigerians don't need it. Anywhere they go they do fine educationally. U.S., U.K., Norway, or wherever.

"The 2006 American Community Survey of the U.S. Census Bureau stated that 37% of Nigerians in the United States had bachelor's degrees, 17% had master's degrees, and 4% had doctorates. As of that year 8% of White Americans had master's degrees, and as of the same year 12% of Asian Americans had master's degrees and 3% of Asian Americans had doctorates Roderick Harrison, a demographer of the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies, said that the statistics for Nigerian Americans had "strikingly high" levels of education; he added "There is no doubt that these are highly educated professionals who are probably working in the petrochemical, medical and business sectors in Houston." Stephen Klineberg, a Rice University sociologist, said that he believed that the actual percentage of Nigerian Americans with post-graduate academic degrees is higher than indicated in the 2006 survey.[4]"

Also,  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evelyn-hsieh/barack-obama-has-broken-r_b_217965.html

So the reference to affirmative action is asinine. If Nigerians were really as averse to hard work as you want to assume because of their blackness, they would have the same statistics as the group you're trying to denigrate or have educational statistics worse than every other group.

The reference to gay African American prison rapists on a Nigerian forum is equally asinine. Nigeria has a socially conservative culture in most places. Nigeria almost voted on an anti-homosexuality bill (it was unsuccessful though) and there can be no doubt any display of homosexuality would earn somebody a thrashing in prison, especially by all those supposedly born-again Christians. Don't even get me started on the Muslims.

I found a picture of your friends:

http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=http://www.belch.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/nigerian-scammers.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.belch.com/blog/tag/nigeria/&usg=__MDm2flbTUdBXwNSEAu_6VhfJWrI=&h=624&w=500&sz=78&hl=de&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=8qv9QbIZjj8yzM:&tbnh=157&tbnw=128&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnigerian%2Bscams%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D635%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C176&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=140&vpy=241&dur=460&hovh=195&hovw=156&tx=99&ty=119&ei=ULwuTdfeBcaWOqS96LcJ&oei=ULwuTdfeBcaWOqS96LcJ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:12,s:0&biw=1280&bih=635

Stockboy, I would descend to your level, but I don't actually have anything against Jews, nor do I have anything against white Americans. But for all the degrading pictures one could easily find of Nigerians (not blacks, but Nigerians specifically) on the internet you could find ten times as many deliberate pictures attempting to degrade Jews. "Anyone who knows anything" would know this. I would never post such a picture, because it's just beneath me. I don't have any interest in denigrating any group, but if you really are unaware of the people denigrating your own people in the exact same manner, and with just as many different stereotypes, take a quick tour of some supremacist sites (not just white supremacists, you'd be surprised at how many other supremacists have cooked up some excuse to hate Jews.)

Keep your childish azz penetrati.ng  remarks to yourself. If you are into that thing that's fine. Our country will still embrace you and you don't have to be afraid you are going to loose your welfare checks.

Your whole mentality is childish so I'll address you in the manner that is most appropriate for such infantile thinking.

"Into that thing"? Me? You're the one who claimed that "anyone knows" about gay African American prison rapists! Actually, only some Americans might have an inkling about such. Most of the rest of the world would be oblivious. I'll just assume you watch a lot of TV, since you couldn't possibly be anyone who takes the time to do any sociological research or read any books or have any genuine concern about African Americans' problems.

Welfare? Like I said before kid. Stop mixing groups. If a Nigerian was  actually on welfare in the U.S., his family and relatives might disown him.

Now that is something to be proud of. way to bring up your kids. Tell them "yes, our country is fuked up, but please don' t try to change anything, lets just blame it on the white man because he enslaved us 200 years ago. And I think that's where my back pains are stemming from, so Jr. please scam so I can get my 40 acres and a mule."

Enslave 200 years ago? 40 acres and a mule? Mixing up groups again, I see. And the "white man" comments are just bizarre because the Nigerian scammers don't just scam white people or even selectively target white people. I have read of multiple occurrences where the person scammed was non-white and multiple occurrences where the person was either black or Nigerian, so that whole angle you're trying to put to it is just too bizarre. If some of them go after richer people, that can't be chalked up to the "blame the white man" angle.


I don't feel any pity for you whatsoever. Not at all because you're the "white man." (Actually, you're Jewish, BIG difference. At one point blacks and Jews in America were political allies but dumped each other when their interests diverged.)

The real reason I feel no pity for you is because you have so much latent hatred and prejudice in you, and were just dying for a reason to let it out.

Voltaire had a few bad dealings with Jewish businessmen (there is that STEREOTYPE that Jews are notorious swindlers and financial extortionists. Note that it has been around for literally hundreds of years, long before there was even a country called Nigeria and long before any of the different African groups in what came to be Nigeria had performed a single scam.) and, bigot that he was, went on to write tons of invective about Jews, to casually sprinkle antisemitism throughout his writings, and to try to analyze the old testament to show that the Israelites were mass murderers, evil, etc.

You're no different. Voltaire's misplaced indignation and fury at a whole group for bad interactions with some Jewish merchants was no different from your own and because of that the most influential opinion in all of Europe (Voltaire) went on to denigrate your people with unfair caricatures that still reverberate to this very day. Yet you didn't come in and also mention that some awful stereotypical behavior is in your Jewish' "blood" because you know it's wrong and a distortion.

That's the thing that led me to mock your first post. You have no perspective. If Nigerians have attempted to do something about the problem (EFCC raids of cyber cafes where people are scamming, cyber cafe owners deliberately prohibiting any kind of 419 fraud and openly refusing to serve users suspected of such activity, and the Nigerian government cooperating with foreign governments to procure and charge or extradite multiple individuals wanted for huge fraud, <-----all of these things have happened many times) then you should refrain from painting 150 million people bad from the actions of not even up to a tenth of one percent of them.

Maybe you're just too emotional to see reason.

hmm, the war of words getting hotter.

Im at work, so I'll make it short.

You are right, I sound like a racist, which I'm not.

Somebody ripped me off, and he happened to be Nigerian. Maybe I was just a bad judge for character, but you still cannot deny that they (419ers, drug dealers) are just a small percentage of Nigerians.

I've been to Nigeria more than once. The country is corrupt beyond belief. Not only on a government level, but on every level imaginable bribes can be paid. Which is why I am sure that I will be able to bet my "friend" at his own game, in his home country. I have traveled the world and I must end up meeting all of the "bad apples" that Nigeria has to offer. Wether it be in the streets of China, Zurich, Germany, Amsterdam, Russia, or Italy, Nigerians are always the go to people for drugs of any kind. Is that a coincidence? Maybe I am generalizing but all of the Nigerians that I have met in Europe or in the US have student visas which is a great thing, but you know that most of them have a side income. If you deny this then you are lying to me, everyone else on this board, and yourself.

My question is why are Nigerians like this? Why not Cameroonians or people from Ghana? Why do the Nigerian car exporters in Germany manly trust Cameroonian shipping agents?


Are you from Nigeria or were you born in the US?

Welfare? Like I said before kid. Stop mixing groups. If a Nigerian was actually on welfare in the U.S., his family and relatives might disown him.



This is a joke right?

DO you have any friends/relatives in europe? ask them how many Nigerians live off of welfare, you can't be serious

@ Topic, we cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that Nigerians = Scammers for the rest of the world, how much ever educated we are, that is what the world thinks about Nigeria and that prolly is going to stay that way for a long long time to come, thanks to a couple of greedy men.

@ PhysicsMHD, There is absolutely no point in a heated verbal exchange with someone so that he/rest of the world can change his opinion about Nigeria/Nigerians. Suppose (JUST SUPPOSE ) a member of your family steals from your neighbour and they report it to you, do you abuse and challange your neighbour or apologize for the family member's action?? The man has been robbed of his hard earned money. Step into his shoes and see how it feels ? Would you hold grudges against him or hold a night vigil for the scammer and pray for his good health and prosperity?

@ Stocker 123, sorry about your loss !

Exactly. Thank you

Stocker123:

Im at work, so I'll make it short.

You are right, I sound like a racist, which I'm not.

Somebody ripped me off, and he happened to be Nigerian. Maybe I was just a bad judge for character, but you still cannot deny that they (419ers, drug dealers) are just a small percentage of Nigerians.

I've been to Nigeria more than once. The country is corrupt beyond belief. Not only on a government level, but on every level imaginable bribes can be paid. Which is why I am sure that I will be able to bet my "friend" at his own game, in his home country. I have traveled the world and I must end up meeting all of the "bad apples" that Nigeria has to offer. Wether it be in the streets of China, Zurich, Germany, Amsterdam, Russia, or Italy, Nigerians are always the go to people for drugs of any kind. Is that a coincidence? Maybe I am generalizing but all of the Nigerians that I have met in Europe or in the US have student visas which is a great thing, but you know that most of them have a side income. If you deny this then you are lying to me, everyone else on this board, and yourself.

My question is why are Nigerians like this? Why not Cameroonians or people from Ghana?  Why do the Nigerian car exporters in Germany manly trust Cameroonian shipping agents?


Are you from Nigeria or were you born in the US?

No doubt Nigeria is extremely corrupt. Not denying that. Three decades of unchecked continuous decay can bring about such.

I still assert that they (419ers, drug dealers) are a small percentage of Nigerians. I said not even up to a tenth of one percent of Nigeria's population of about 150 million are criminals in my earlier post.

Do you know how many people that 0.1 % of 150 million people would be? 150,000. Yet there are nowhere near 150 thousand Nigerian scammers + drug dealers. Not that that's anything to be proud of because most other countries could say the exact same thing about their countries, but the large population of Nigeria leads to it being a larger source of these awful crimes. If there were 25,000 scammers, and drug dealers from Nigeria, that would make an enormous scene and impact thousands of people internationally and lead to the reputation we now have as Nigerians and yet that would only be .016 % of Nigerians. If you took .016% of the population of a country like Ghana or Cameroon, and made them international criminals, you would hardly make a scene or earn a negative reputation for the country. Not to suggest that it's only about population size or to suggest that Nigeria doesn't have a higher proportion of criminals than Ghana or Cameroon, because I know that's not the case.

Both of those countries are better off socially in many aspects, and are also less urbanized (less cause for crime) than Nigeria. Still, I don't see anything in the blood. I see completely different societies. Some of them better or worse in different areas. Nigeria is definitely worse in crime, but is better than both in some other areas. For example, Cameroon has been ruled by the same corrupt non-military dictator, Paul Biya, for over 20 years and is making no attempts to even fight electoral fraud.


The particular crimes Nigerian criminals choose to inflict on their victims are particularly foul. That combined with the higher proportion of criminals from Nigeria (probably larger than say, Russia, or some other large nation with a notorious criminal element) due to the emergence of a culture of corruption and worship of materialism and money, leads to criminals like your former friends who robbed you. That still does not suggest to me anything in the blood. Afterall, Burma, Bangladesh, and Pakistan have very corrupt societies but don't share blood with Nigeria.

Incidentally, Nigeria does not have one culture. You know that very well. Yet I cannot think of even a single one of the cultures within Nigeria that has some particular cultural tolerance for fraud and theft. The country regressed massively and in doing so was not able to curtail a growing desperate and materialistic and wayward fraction of the youth, and for that Nigerians can be blamed, but any attempt to portray Nigeria as some genetically criminal people is just a kind of distortion to me. Most of the groups who make up the nation called Nigeria could actually have found themselves as Beninese, or Cameroonians, or Nigeriens, or Chadians, had colonialists chosen to draw the map differently or had the French conquered certain places before the English and vice versa.  And some of the groups found in Nigeria are also found in large numbers in the neighboring African countries. The grouping in Nigeria is basically arbitrary, but there is nothing about the particular groups or people inside Nigeria that is particularly or genetically criminal. Rather, it is the state itself which failed to live up to the task of nipping corruption and fraud and money obsession in the bud.



And I'm from Nigeria, not born in the U.S.

Stocker123:

Welfare? Like I said before kid. Stop mixing groups. If a Nigerian was  actually on welfare in the U.S., his family and relatives might disown him. 



This is a joke right?

DO you have any friends/relatives in europe? ask them how many Nigerians live off of welfare,   you can't be serious

Yeah, I have relatives in the UK. They have multiple doctors in each family and they are rather well-off, so I doubt they would know of the kind of hustler Nigerians who you say live off welfare.

However I was taking your post in reference to American welfare, which some groups in the U.S. are seen as being dependent on and I thought that was the reference intended by that jab. I don't know of Nigerians actually being dependent on welfare, but if you say so, I'll absolutely take your word for it, since you seem to know several "go to people" type of Nigerians.


I also have to ask, do you know how many Europeans in Europe are on welfare? Being on welfare in a welfare state is quite another thing from being on welfare in the U.S. Remember there are nations like France or Greece or Sweden where welfare is seen positively. Countries where they hand out government help like it's water or air shouldn't be the basis of determining whether Nigerians abroad in general are welfare dependent and "living off" welfare. In France, middle class young white French men will go and protest and fight cops just to not have their welfare reduced. In this same France, the government decided to pay for the lifestyle (middle class living) of a couple with Asperger's syndrome, merely because of the inability of those people to function in or integrate into normal society. I would like to see one of the many thousands of AS individuals or individuals with similar conditions in the U.S. try to get something like that from the U.S. government. No chance. It's just a different thing entirely over there in Europe.

Also, does it just so happen that virtually every U.S. Nigerian, even the ones who live in less wealthy African American communities (like Oak Cliff, TX or African American communities in Houston,TX, or New York) are all not on welfare, but the ones who go to the more expensive (to live in) Europe just so happen to mostly all be milking the system or completely dependent on government handouts? I'm skeptical.


Also, the statistics for Nigerians in the UK are like those in the U.S.- some scammers, yes, but certainly not "living off" or dependent on welfare in any conceivably noticeable percentage. And the U.K. is still considered part of Europe last time I checked.

naijafrend:

@ Topic, we cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that Nigerians = Scammers for the rest of the world, how much ever educated we are, that is what the world thinks about Nigeria and that prolly is going to stay that way for a long long time to come, thanks to a couple of greedy men.

@ PhysicsMHD, There is absolutely no point in a heated verbal exchange with someone so that he/rest of the world can change his opinion about Nigeria/Nigerians. Suppose (JUST SUPPOSE ) a member of your family steals from your neighbour and they report it to you, do you abuse and challange your neighbour or apologize for the family member's action?? The man has been robbed of his hard earned money. Step into his shoes and see how it feels ? Would you hold grudges against him or hold a night vigil for the scammer and pray for his good health and prosperity?

@ Stocker 123, sorry about your loss !

I see exactly what you're saying, but it was only my intention to point out the error in his whole approach.

I don't hold a grudge against him for being livid about this, and originally meant to only mock his reasoning.

And it's not my intention to defend or pray for the good health of any dirty scammer.

Stocker, sorry abt your money. take it easy and deal with him real bad.
have it in mind that not all niajians are bad, you only met the bad ones.

Thanks man. I know all Nigerians aren't bad. It's just frustrating ,

i feel you man. its really a source of embarrasment for those nigerians who dont believe in cheating.

Guys,


Can I just say that before turning on Stocker for telling us what happened to him, we must be really honest with ourselves and accept the fact that Nigerians are known all over the world to be scammers.  Oh yes!  Sorry but that's the truth and I speak as a Nigerian myself.  That said, NOT every Nigerian is a scammer - most certainly not.  Still, I'd be most careful dealing with my fellow Nigerians 'cos of the bad reputation.

As you may well understand, Stocker has every right to feel the way he does and express his feelings about Nigerians, whether we like it or not.  The fact remains that he's been done out of $20,000 and that's a lot of money to lose, for trusting someone to do business with you.

Stocker, you should have thought about it most carefully before having any business dealing with a convicted drug dealer.  The red flag was already there, staring you right in your face.  Drugs involve money, and business involves money too.  You should have realised that the guy was extremely hungry for money, hence the drug dealing.  How you could have dealt with such a person (knowing his criminal record), just beats me.  I hope you are not as bent as he is 'cos, as you know, they say 'birds of the same feather flock together'.  Still, sorry to hear about your plight.  You have every right to come here to vent your anger on Nigerians and I fully understand. 



kiwi992.