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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by space9880: 5:51am On May 01, 2020
Geepee77:


You are not even certain on how cross breeding started so my dear, you cannot advice me.
To your question... The answer is Yes, they just woke up one day to start it. Go online and read how cross breeding started. No clinical test or whatsoever. Moreover why dey always castrate new breeds is to study it nature. Back in early days they cross breed anyhow. There is no need castrating mastiff mix shepherds because we already know how it looks and how they behave.
we don't know how it looks as it is not. registered breed. pups from a Mastiff / Caucasian pairing won't look alike

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by space9880: 5:53am On May 01, 2020
Adrian98:
Yes he did but my point is we shouldn't be doing some mixing that do not make sense and we shouldn't be selling mixed breed that do not make sense because they'll be out in the market and Nigeria won't be known for quality
there are mixes everywhere
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 6:20am On May 01, 2020
space9880:


a mix is a mix whether they share any similarities or not

What is your point please?

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Adrian98(m): 7:17am On May 01, 2020
Please and please get my point. I'm concerned about the two different breeds from different lines. And most people don't see this as a problem
koligs:


If he had not come out plain then u can castigate him and term him a crook. There are people out there that just love fine dogs no matter the breed

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 8:31am On May 01, 2020
Adrian98:
Please and please get my point. I'm concerned about the two different breeds from different lines. And most people don't see this as a problem

I understand what OP is trying to say, i.e crossing a rottwieller with a lahsa apso... except in a case were a person is specifically in need of it( this is called 'designer breed" some famous celebs do it) it isn't right to do it just for doing sake.

However crossing similar breeds i.e boerboel x rott. Rott x doberman , Caucasian x gsd.. boerboel x bullmastiff ( i can bet you most of the adverts on purebred boerboel puppies comes from this mix but nobody ll tell you ) and so on isnt a totally bad idea as most of the purebreed today comes from this type of close breeding....if you want a "purebreed" as we call them ( even when clearly they are a result of mix of diff breed) then go for it, if you re open minded about close crossing go for it...the only difference between the two is a mental thing called registration one has been registered the other hasnt. So let us stop this misguided discrimination. Tomorrow the whites will still come up with a crossbreed, register it , tag it purebred then Nigerians ll start importing as usual and be boosting i have a purebreed dog grin..... Mastwieller is coming i bet you
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 8:32am On May 01, 2020
Gabrokpara001:


I understand what OP is trying to say, i.e crossing a rottwieller with a lahsa apso... except in a case were a person is specifically in need of it( this is called 'designer breed" some famous celebs do it) it isn't right to do it just for doing sake.

However crossing similar breeds i.e boerboel x rott. Rott x doberman , Caucasian x gsd.. boerboel x bullmastiff ( i can bet you most of the adverts on purebred boerboel puppies comes from this mix but nobody ll tell you ) and so on isnt a totally bad idea as most of the purebreed today comes from this type of close breeding....if you want a "purebreed" as we call them ( even when clearly they are a result of mix of diff breed) then go for it, if you open re minded about close crossing go for it...the only difference between the two is a mental thing called registration one has been registered the other hasnt. So let us stop this misguided discrimination. Tomorrow the whites will still come up with a crossbreed, register it , tag it purebred then Nigerians ll start importing as usual and be boosting i have a purebreed dog grin..... Mastwieller is coming i bet you
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 8:34am On May 01, 2020
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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Ade2000wale: 8:53am On May 01, 2020
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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Geepee77(m): 10:09am On May 01, 2020
space9880:


this is not a yardstick Oga the thing is strive for excellence what are you trying to achieve by mixing breeds?

I've never mixed breed before and I'm not planning to mix, all I'm saying is that the way we criticize mixing as if the ones we are buying were not once mixed before it became popular.
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Geepee77(m): 10:17am On May 01, 2020
Adrian98:
Please and please get my point. I'm concerned about the two different breeds from different lines. And most people don't see this as a problem

You are just exaggerating on different lines... There are hundreds of mixes from different lines that became popular today and people did not complain ooh.
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by spinna: 10:23am On May 01, 2020
Ade2000wale:
Mr Man, you are RUDE and CHILDISH!

I will assume u mistakenly quoted the wrong person.

As for this topic it is wrong to mix diff breeds because you are spoiling the expensive lifetime work of great men.

Of course all breeds are the result of such mixing but over several generations. Not just a one off. All breeds have their standards i.e specs colour, shape of body parts, temperament. All these are scattered when you indiacriminately mix the breeds. This is how alsatian were almost wrecked in Nigeria.

As a breed owner you should find a better specimen of the same breed to improve the quality of that breed not damage it by indiscriminate mixing.

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Adrian98(m): 11:18am On May 01, 2020
I get your point but what I'm trying to say is some mixing shouldn't be done at all. These dogs have different temperaments. Don't support mixing of anyhow breeds because it has been done already. I don't even care about foreign countries. In Nigeria most people get into this breeding business and mix breeds and sell to naive buyers and that's how these things start to spread. So please get my point. Is Nigeria known for quality of any breed??
Geepee77:


You are just exaggerating on different lines... There are hundreds of mixes from different lines that became popular today and people did not complain ooh.
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by space9880: 8:43am On May 05, 2020
Adrian98:
I get your point but what I'm trying to say is some mixing shouldn't be done at all. These dogs have different temperaments. Don't support mixing of anyhow breeds because it has been done already. I don't even care about foreign countries. In Nigeria most people get into this breeding business and mix breeds and sell to naive buyers and that's how these things start to spread. So please get my point. Is Nigeria known for quality of any breed??
there's nothing like close mix breeding. mix breeding is mix breeding if you want a cross breed neuter it don't breed. all pure breeds came as a result of mix breeding but it was planned with aims and objectives You just don't mix breeds to satisfy your curiosity. the pure breed dogs we have today did not come about as a result of a single mix breeding it took years to develop the breed and a lot of work was put in by people that know what they are doing not ignorant people doing backyard breeding.
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 9:54am On May 05, 2020
space9880:
there's nothing like close mix breeding. mix breeding is mix breeding if you want a cross breed neuter it don't breed. all pure breeds came as a result of mix breeding but it was planned with aims and objectives You just don't mix breeds to satisfy your curiosity. the pure breed dogs we have today did not come about as a result of a single mix breeding it took years to develop the breed and a lot of work was put in by people that know what they are doing not ignorant people doing backyard breeding.


Not entirely true sir some dogs today resulted from migration of people and conquest of different empires....there was nothing like a "dog breeder" during the
"Renaissance age" or "Age of enlightenment".

The norms then was that whenever a new city is conquered, the conqueror moves in with there herds and dog that eventually cross with the local indigenous dogs of the conquered.

Migration too is another factor...so the usual " it took a group of breeders working closely together to come up with the breeds today" is not totally true atleast i am certain not for rotts and GSD these re breeds that has evolved with time.

That phrase is true for the boerboels, intelligent south African breeders work to properly come up with a breed of dog that is a mix of molloser type mastiff and local south african dogs...now today AkC has registered them and we call them purebreed.

Here in our lovely country any breeder thats trys to come up with a new idea other people ll start raining insults on him as if na we sabi pass but the truth is we know nothing

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Adrian98(m): 1:46pm On May 05, 2020
Thank you for this
space9880:
there's nothing like close mix breeding. mix breeding is mix breeding if you want a cross breed neuter it don't breed. all pure breeds came as a result of mix breeding but it was planned with aims and objectives You just don't mix breeds to satisfy your curiosity. the pure breed dogs we have today did not come about as a result of a single mix breeding it took years to develop the breed and a lot of work was put in by people that know what they are doing not ignorant people doing backyard breeding.

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Hausduohjay(m): 2:09pm On May 05, 2020
Adrian98:
Please we really need to stop mixing breed from totally different lines. If it was a mistake don't even try to sell them to people. The mixed breed isn't registered anywhere. Don't sell something you mixed . Don't mix dogs from totally different lines.

I requested for a dog in portharcourt for a friend within the price range of 50k and I got this message this morning.



Yes we can mix some breeds for fun or to see the outcome. Sometimes it might be a mistake but don't put out the puppies for sale or put a high price.

Whoever thinks I'm overreacting I don't mind.
I'm a dog lover . I love all dogs not just pure breeds but don't mix anyhow.

Please you need to rephrase your post... Mixing of Lines isn't the same as mixing of breeds. They are two different things
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Nobody: 7:34pm On May 06, 2020
There more mixed breeds in this world than you know ... Nigeria or lets say africa in general is far behind when it comes to wether pure breed or mixed breed of dogs .. Due to this we have very limited knowledge... That's why you see people calling a German shepherd and a basenji mix a "mutt" .. Which is funny coz an oyinbo man will rather use the word " hybrid".. Almost all dog breeds have been mixed with other breeds experimentally or coincidentally ... My first encounter with a hybrid was a chow shepherd ( chow chow and German shepherd mix) absolute beauty and very much deserves to be recognized as a different breed on its own .... Im fan of hybrids . don't mind me ..


Until you see a mix don't just write them off ..
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 6:55am On May 07, 2020
mayorkun101:
There more mixed breeds in this world than you know ... Nigeria or lets say africa in general is far behind when it comes to wether pure breed or mixed breed of dogs .. Due to this we have very limited knowledge... That's why you see people calling a German shepherd and a basenji mix a "mutt" .. Which is funny coz an oyinbo man will rather use the word " hybrid".. Almost all dog breeds have been mixed with other breeds experimentally or coincidentally ... My first encounter with a hybrid was a chow shepherd ( chow chow and German shepherd mix) absolute beauty and very much deserves to be recognized as a different breed on its own .... Im fan of hybrids . don't mind me ..


Until you see a mix don't just write them off ..

Good one.

Funny thing is that only few of local indigenous dog breeds in Africa is recognized as purebred...even the most popular breed in Africa "Africanis" ( part of the boerboel mix ) is not recognized by any single kennel registry in the world, isnt it pure?... instead as usual we keep letting the whites dictate what is black and what is white ... Thats why i love the south they re the only african country making way for themselves.

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by space9880: 3:39pm On May 08, 2020
Gabrokpara001:



Not entirely true sir some dogs today resulted from migration of people and conquest of different empires....there was nothing like a "dog breeder" during the
"Renaissance age" or "Age of enlightenment".

The norms then was that whenever a new city is conquered, the conqueror moves in with there herds and dog that eventually cross with the local indigenous dogs of the conquered.

Migration too is another factor...so the usual " it took a group of breeders working closely together to come up with the breeds today" is not totally true atleast i am certain not for rotts and GSD these re breeds that has evolved with time.

That phrase is true for the boerboels, intelligent south African breeders work to properly come up with a breed of dog that is a mix of molloser type mastiff and local south african dogs...now today AkC has registered them and we call them purebreed.

Here in our lovely country any breeder thats trys to come up with a new idea other people ll start raining insults on him as if na we sabi pass but the truth is we know nothing

true for some breeds but at the end some group of people that come together to define a breed. do you plan on creating a new breed? mixing breeds is not necessary if you can avoid it if you can't at least neuter pups.
Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by Gabrokpara001(m): 4:17pm On May 08, 2020
space9880:


true for some breeds but at the end some group of people that come together to define a breed. do you plan on creating a new breed? mixing breeds is not necessary if you can avoid it if you can't at least neuter pups.

I know its not proper to mix two far fetched breeds i.e rottwiellers x apso that mix isn't improving either side of the mix( A rottwieller is a guard dog while a lhasa apso is a toy breed) now such pups can be neutered because on the long run they offer nothing...now this is totally different from mix of very close breeds were the hybrid pup is better than both of its parents i.e mastwiellers, boerwieller,leonberger,labradoodle and so on ( do well to research on them later please ) these are designer breeds which the pups are very impressive and better than their parents, also these breeds may soon be recognized by top kennel registry as a purebreed dog... leonberger has been recognized... mastwiellers and labradoodle is almost there... boerwieller is slowly gathering pace......

I am a lover of both recognized breeds aka purebreds ( because the glaring truth is that all breeds are mixed ) and un-recognized aka close mixing..

I have a male boerwieller his guard instinct is superb started barking at strangers at 6 weeks old, tho he is stubborn..he possess the muscular bold and confident frame of a boerboel coupled with the alert and protective nature of a rott...now isnt that an improvement? Do you think he should still be neutered? Luckily for me i already have two people who owns female boerwiellers and wants my boy to cross them in due time...If in the future someone with a female boerboel also aproach me for studding because he wants to introduce that aggressive gene pool to his pups i wont turn it down either...its a matter of divergent thinking.

Please dont get me wrong let me summarize mixing two far fetched Breed brings nothing to the table but mixing two close breeds is much more better...my own opinion

First pic - Labradoodle
Second pic- leonberger
3rd pi- mastwiellers
4th pic- boerwieller

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Re: Please Stop Mixing Breeds From Different Lines by space9880: 1:23am On May 10, 2020
Gabrokpara001:


I know its not proper to mix two far fetched breeds i.e rottwiellers x apso that mix isn't improving either side of the mix( A rottwieller is a guard dog while a lhasa apso is a toy breed) now such pups can be neutered because on the long run they offer nothing...now this is totally different from mix of very close breeds were the hybrid pup is better than both of its parents i.e mastwiellers, boerwieller,leonberger,labradoodle and so on ( do well to research on them later please ) these are designer breeds which the pups are very impressive and better than their parents, also these breeds may soon be recognized by top kennel registry as a purebreed dog... leonberger has been recognized... mastwiellers and labradoodle is almost there... boerwieller is slowly gathering pace......

I am a lover of both recognized breeds aka purebreds ( because the glaring truth is that all breeds are mixed ) and un-recognized aka close mixing..

I have a male boerwieller his guard instinct is superb started barking at strangers at 6 weeks old, tho he is stubborn..he possess the muscular bold and confident frame of a boerboel coupled with the alert and protective nature of a rott...now isnt that an improvement? Do you think he should still be neutered? Luckily for me i already have two people who owns female boerwiellers and wants my boy to cross them in due time...If in the future someone with a female boerboel also aproach me for studding because he wants to introduce that aggressive gene pool to his pups i wont turn it down either...its a matter of divergent thinking.

Please dont get me wrong let me summarize mixing two far fetched Breed brings nothing to the table but mixing two close breeds is much more better...my own opinion

First pic - Labradoodle
Second pic- leonberger
3rd pi- mastwiellers
4th pic- boerwieller
most of the dogs we call pure in Nigeria are not even pure so why are we mixing them further

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