AreaFada2:


Really? And Delta people had so many positions in govt and politics? I knew the civil service very well.

Anioma benefited most in positions. Osadebey was premier. No state university in Benin area. But in Ekpoma and education faculty in Abraka (now Delta state university).

The only Benin man that ruled Ogbemudia, you need to check what he did in Warri and other areas in Delta.

If anything, Benin always compromised, not to be seen as domineering.
In my opinion, I would prefer smaller homogeneous nation's even if 3 to 5 million people.

Bendel was the most egalitarian multi-ethnic region.

Aside Benin, did Abudu, Iguobazuwa or any other town.get much attention?

You also forget that around 20% of people in Benin were from Delta. Every classroom had like 30% Delta people. Even till today the Deltans remain in Benin. Benefited from whatever you say Benin took for themselves. Ibori, Uduaghan, Olu of Warri Ikenwoli, all schooled in Uniben that Ogbemudia developed before FG took it over.


The Ebies, Unukegwos and Omo-Ageges were people I knew well. All did very well in Bendel.

I would prefer Delta to be on their own or join Niger Delta Republic. Not to have argument over oil. Ijaw and others can sort out oil arguments in NDR.

Being Edoid is not enough to have unity. If no common purpose, lingering historical issues or potential for fight over oil or anything, better not.⁷

so this justify taking everything for yourself and concentrating on Benin?

AreaFada2:


Really? And Delta people had so many positions in govt and politics? I knew the civil service very well.

Anioma benefited most in positions. Osadebey was premier. No state university in Benin area. But in Ekpoma and education faculty in Abraka (now Delta state university).

The only Benin man that ruled Ogbemudia, you need to check what he did in Warri and other areas in Delta.

If anything, Benin always compromised, not to be seen as domineering.
In my opinion, I would prefer smaller homogeneous nation's even if 3 to 5 million people.

Bendel was the most egalitarian multi-ethnic region.

Aside Benin, did Abudu, Iguobazuwa or any other town.get much attention?

You also forget that around 20% of people in Benin were from Delta. Every classroom had like 30% Delta people. Even till today the Deltans remain in Benin. Benefited from whatever you say Benin took for themselves. Ibori, Uduaghan, Olu of Warri Ikenwoli, all schooled in Uniben that Ogbemudia developed before FG took it over.

The Ebies, Unukegwos and Omo-Ageges were people I knew well. All did very well in Bendel.

I would prefer Delta to be on their own or join Niger Delta Republic. Not to have argument over oil. Ijaw and others can sort out oil arguments in NDR.

Being Edoid is not enough to have unity. If no common purpose, lingering historical issues or potential for fight over oil or anything, better not.⁷

wow I love your response.

What do you think about esan and Edo north people? Some of them have "anti Benin" agenda.

What do you also think about Benin and the issue of ports.

I would love to hear your opinion on that

Lostz:

so this justify taking everything for yourself and concentrating on Benin?

what do you mean by taking? Benin city was the headquarter in those days. Have you seen any region that doesn't developed their capital city?

Take Delta state for example, I know many urhobo and isoko that are still angry about the capital been in asaba, they are even angry about the development in the city.

Remember crude oil wasn't selling in large commercial quantities then and "Benin" provided much of the money meant for development through palm oil, timbers, rubber etc

AreaFada2:


Really? And Delta people had so many positions in govt and politics? I knew the civil service very well.

Anioma benefited most in positions. Osadebey was premier. No state university in Benin area. But in Ekpoma and education faculty in Abraka (now Delta state university).

The only Benin man that ruled Ogbemudia, you need to check what he did in Warri and other areas in Delta.

If anything, Benin always compromised, not to be seen as domineering.
In my opinion, I would prefer smaller homogeneous nation's even if 3 to 5 million people.

Bendel was the most egalitarian multi-ethnic region.

Aside Benin, did Abudu, Iguobazuwa or any other town.get much attention?

You also forget that around 20% of people in Benin were from Delta. Every classroom had like 30% Delta people. Even till today the Deltans remain in Benin. Benefited from whatever you say Benin took for themselves. Ibori, Uduaghan, Olu of Warri Ikenwoli, all schooled in Uniben that Ogbemudia developed before FG took it over.

The Ebies, Unukegwos and Omo-Ageges were people I knew well. All did very well in Bendel.

I would prefer Delta to be on their own or join Niger Delta Republic. Not to have argument over oil. Ijaw and others can sort out oil arguments in NDR.

Being Edoid is not enough to have unity. If no common purpose, lingering historical issues or potential for fight over oil or anything, better not.⁷

A homogeneous Edo nation is really the best option as you say

Mystiquefia:
Igbosmoker
To tell you the truth, i'm completely fed up with this contraption called called Nigeria. I Believe Southern Nigeria would have fared much more better if assuming we were not amalgamated into what is now Nigeria, so i do not believe in the Nigerian Project. I believe the Yorubas and igbos would in no way hamper the progress of the Niger-deltan People if a southern confederation of states is formed for instance, with true federalism and total resource control practiced. I believe the Relationship will be a healthy one because we will surely need the educational sophistication of the southwest and the business oriented mindset of the igbos to also thrive such a state. and most importantly, we will have the yorubas to checkmate and contend with the excesses of the igbos and vice versa. As an urhoboman, i do not mind having the capital Of the New Republic in calabar for instance, as long as treaties and MOU's are Signed to ensure that the warri port and refinery becomes functional.

Hello, Nairalnders. This is what you call WISEMAN.... WHAO! So much wisdom, I enjoyed every word from beginning to end.

Igbosmoker:
wow I love your response.

What do you think about esan and Edo north people? Some of them have "anti Benin" agenda.

What do you also think about Benin and the issue of ports.

I would love to hear your opinion on that

When he replies tag me, I will love to know too

Igbosmoker:
stop saying trash out of here head, there was soso jubilation in Edo state too.

You can't present any fact or article about Edo and Delta bad relationship in Bendel state

Why do you need articles or Oxford detailing to tell your history? Are the words of your forefathers who witnessed it all lesser than John Croft or Salima Prtetogues. You guys eh!

Nnamdi Azikwe went to America, Obafemi Owolwo and all other black men went to Foriegn lands but you don't see them calling or even looking at the books of black men to find knowledge.

I can settle down now, having authority in a field, and construct stories of this and this. It gets published and there is wide acceptance. That has become history.

But if you do collective questioning and ask dwellers, wise ones and all, you can get bit of truths in the stories.

The white men came, heard bits and pieces from local men, and most times made literature and stories that suits their era and what the audience wanted. The audience of medieval and 19th century Europe wanted fascination, and the White historians gave them what they need; just to sell their book and make their book accepted.

Then you come from behind, get the book, and say, "This is your fact."...... Jeezzzz

Eberejesus111:

Why do you need articles or Oxford detailing to tell your history? Are the words of your forefathers who witnessed it all lesser than John Croft or Salima Prtetogues. You guys eh!

Nnamdi Azikwe went to America, Obafemi Owolwo and all other black men went to Foriegn lands but you don't see them calling or even looking at the books of black men to find knowledge.

I can settle down now, having authority in a field, and construct stories of this and this. It gets published and there is wide acceptance. That has become history.

But if you do collective questioning and ask dwellers, wise ones and all, you can get bit of truths in the stories.

The white men came, heard bits and pieces from local men, and most times made literature and stories that suits their era and what the audience wanted. The audience of medieval and 19th century Europe wanted fascination, and the White historians gave them what they need; just to sell their book and make their book accepted.

Then you come from behind, get the book, and say, "This is your fact."...... Jeezzzz

You could argue with someone and then when asked where did you get your points from then you say I heard it from the oldest man in my village, now tell me who will listen to that?

valirex:



You could argue with someone and then when asked where did you get your points from then you say I heard it from the oldest man in my village, now tell me who will listen to that?

Well, that's reasonable to you. But we Africans have been so programmed to falsify almost everything about us, we lean and rely on the outside to tell our stories.

Don't you see the reasons, even when CNN and Fox News are saying Fake News, we are still hooked to them, we know what they're saying to us Africans; at least most of the time is a lie, but can we help it? I dont think so, and why? Just because we want to be "Current."

Now to your question, if someone gives you that kind of answer, it's plausible that is the basic fact. And that's because no body can be so brave to say it's someone in his village; and still stand on it, if he isn't sure, being a local from such a place.

And two, although we humans are keen on changing history to suit ourselves and the struggles. Nevertheless, there is one thing I love to deduce from every story I come across. I research on the facts, analyze the correlation between various known or given answers and get my answer.

Of if you're more adept in finding and answer, carry out a questionnaire in the locality, if you have the resource, ask the old men and wome, the grannies or grandpa's, check historical doucments. And the answer would be directly given to you. Accurate and exact. No turn, turn story.

And I guess you've watched American Movies or British movies (and please, don't tell me it's only for entertainment ), every movie is telling a story to be learnt, even if it's fantasy or Horror.

Now for the true life stories of Hollywood, especially if they want to talk about their History. You'll see them beginning with either an old wise one, a fighter in the war, or just someone telling the audience or the children about the country's history in the movie. And when you check their history very well, is the fact. What the person was saying is truth. And it was a veteran who told them their history, In which they've made books selling for millions of dollars.

Eberejesus111:


Well, that's reasonable to you. But we Africans have been so programmed to falsify almost everything about us, we lean and rely on the outside to tell our stories.

Don't you see the reasons, even when CNN and Fox News are saying Fake News, we are still hooked to them, we know what they're saying to us Africans; at least most of the time is a lie, but can we help it? I dont think so, and why? Just because we want to be "Current."

Now to your question, if someone gives you that kind of answer, it's plausible that is the basic fact. And that's because no body can be so brave to say it's someone in his village; and still stand on it, if he isn't sure, being a local from such a place.

And two, although we humans are keen on changing history to suit ourselves and the struggles. Nevertheless, there is one thing I love to deduce from every story I come across. I research on the facts, analyze the correlation between various known or given answers and get my answer.

Of if you're more adept in finding and answer, carry out a questionnaire in the locality, if you have the resource, ask the old men and wome, the grannies or grandpa's, check historical doucments. And the answer would be directly given to you. Accurate and exact. No turn, turn story.

And I guess you've watched American Movies or British movies (and please, don't tell me it's only for entertainment ), every movie is telling a story to be learnt, even if it's fantasy or Horror.

Now for the true life stories of Hollywood, especially if they want to talk about their History. You'll see them beginning with either an old wise one, a fighter in the war, or just someone telling the audience or the children about the country's history in the movie. And when you check their history very well, is the fact. What the person was saying is truth. And it was a veteran who told them their history, In which they've made books selling for millions of dollars.

Well brother with these thread I can see it's best Edo goes on its own, the Deltans can have their Niger Delta Republic we wish all the future countries that will emanate from this fallen Nigeria well if they wish us well. Peace

valirex:


Well brother with these thread I can see it's best Edo goes on its own, the Deltans can have their Niger Delta Republic we wish all the future countries that will emanate from this fallen Nigeria well if they wish us well. Peace

Thats good, but I believe Nigeria to either do restructuring or allow southern states to secede and make the restructuring themselves of themselves confederate states.

Confederate states is the best for we the south, because we all complement each other down here.

Yourbas: Policy making when it includes education: So better education, if they're serious.

Bini: Oba a good tool for cultural tourism and, the people are also educationally inclined too.

Urhobo and Isoko: handles everything related to fishery and architecture in some quarters. Also including farming.

Izon: control the fishing industry, side by side with Urhobo/Isoko

Igbo: Business and Marketing of products internationally and pays tax to states they trade with. And farming for the Enugu and Ebonyi region (finding steps to make food cheap and affordable)

Then resource redistribution would be: 60-70% for the state and the remaining percentage for federal projects, especially for poor states in the country.

This is the best political mechanism, and everyone is happy based on the speedy development.

Industries would be situated in your state based on what you're producing. And if there's no Resource in your state the federal government gives grants, and keeps a keen eye on those grants to make sure it's effectively used.

Eberejesus111:


Thats good, but I believe Nigeria to either do restructuring or allow southern states to secede and make the restructuring themselves of themselves confederate states.

Confederate states is the best for we the south, because we all complement each other down here.

Yourbas: Policy making when it includes education: So better education, if they're serious.

Bini: Oba a good tool for cultural tourism and, the people are also educationally inclined too.

Urhobo and Isoko: handles everything related to fishery and architecture in some quarters. Also including farming.

Izon: control the fishing industry, side by side with Urhobo/Isoko

Igbo: Business and Marketing of products internationally and pays tax to states they trade with. And farming for the Enugu and Ebonyi region (finding steps to make food cheap and affordable)

Then resource redistribution would be: 60-70% for the state and the remaining percentage for federal projects, especially for poor states in the country.

This is the best political mechanism, and everyone is happy based on the speedy development.

Industries would be situated in your state based on what you're producing. And if there's no Resource in your state the federal government gives grants, and keeps a keen eye on those grants to make sure it's effectively used.

We can complement ourselves by being close allies and still cooperating. We don't have to be one nation to complement ourselves. US and Europe complement themselves but not by being one nation.

Igbosmoker:
what do you mean by taking? Benin city was the headquarter in those days. Have you seen any region that doesn't developed their capital city?

Take Delta state for example, I know many urhobo and isoko that are still angry about the capital been in asaba, they are even angry about the development in the city.

Remember crude oil wasn't selling in large commercial quantities then and "Benin" provided much of the money meant for development through palm oil, timbers, rubber etc

Delta has palm oil, timber and the rest too.


you develop capital but don't ignore other places. Delta have Asaba as capital but places
like warri, ugheli, Ozoro and Agbor are still looking nice

Lostz:


Delta has palm oil, timber and the rest too.


you develop capital but don't ignore other places. Delta have Asaba as capital but places
like warri, ugheli, Ozoro and Agbor are still looking nice

Igbosmoker

You both are correct let's just agree to disagree. It's good as Bendel went their separate ways. So let's not quarrel

Eberejesus111:


Hello, Nairalnders. This is what you call WISEMAN.... WHAO! So much wisdom, I enjoyed every word from beginning to end.

Lolzz.. Thanks Eberejesus

sageb:
lucidly said bro, i support your motion. A confederation of south south states with port harcourt as the Capital will be ideal.

Or as much as 3 capitals like South Africa or a virgin one like Australia, Brasil and the failed state of Nigeria

valirex
igbosmoker
Areafada2

You guys need need to undastand lostz point of view. Fact is Lostz is speaking from an isoko perpective of the supposed marginalization and relegation of the isoko people by the then midwest region cum bendel state which benefited the benins and urhobos the most because of their population. So whenever you make reference to urhobo, itsekiri or anioma people for instance which dominated the politics of bendel state and try to lump isokos and urhobos together to buttress your point you wont get anywhere with the arguement because isokos dont see themselves as urhobos. I also understand that as Benin Sons you guys are having a had time deciphering the rationalism for the divorce between isokos and urhobos because you feel as people who migrated from benin and settled in delta state it makes sense to you for us to live together in peace and harmony. This is daylight dreaming, the fact on ground is isoko is a different ethnic group on its own & urhobos have accepted dat reality

MelesZenawi:



Well thank God you know that I am Ipob with a difference.

Urhobo, Edo and Itshekiri are just cluster that will be part of yoruba nation in future.

Already the geography has placed them rightly for Yorubas.

There is nothing to argue here.

Yoruba differ from Edo State

Atigba:

Yoruba differ from Edo State

Story

MelesZenawi:



Story

I guess you are an ipob member

I can see the problem, you guys have been so divisive and spreading hate against different tribes since that group was created.

What you are seeing today is a reflection and reaction of your actions.

Everyone who disagree with you, you term them Yorubas or Fulanis.

So tell me what are you calling Asari or Ijaws Fulanis?

So You see why regurgitating retrospective memories of how urhobos were all over benin doing business and thriving in politics and education does not make sense to an isoko man, because in their own opinion those are urhobo people. i share in their sentiments too because bendel state didn't really favor the isokos and they only tagged along with urhobos to enjoy a majority patronage in politics in benin. The marriage between the urhobos and isokos didn't really favor the isokos, because bendel state was a big state, development was slow and could not reach every part of urhoboland and isokoland at the same time, because the state had other ethnic groups longing for development also. The isokos felt marginalized and still feel marginalized. because it was as if urhobos were cornering d little developments that came to urhoboland and leaving isoko land to rot because they had the numbers. this is not entirely true because the development at d time was not evenly dispersed in all parts of urhoboland at that

valirex:



A homogeneous Edo nation is really the best option as you say

I tell you leave all this delta people make them dey mumu naso dem be las las dem go carry last


Na mugu them be.... Leave them

Only edo go dey alright

Mystiquefia:
valirex
igbosmoker
Areafada2

You guys need need to undastand lostz point of view. Fact is Lostz is speaking from an isoko perpective of the supposed marginalization and relegation of the isoko people by the then midwest region cum bendel state which benefited the benins and urhobos the most because of their population. So whenever you make reference to urhobo, itsekiri or anioma people for instance which dominated the politics of bendel state and try to lump isokos and urhobos together to buttress your point you wont get anywhere with the arguement because isokos dont see themselves as urhobos. I also understand that as Benin Sons you guys are having a had time deciphering the rationalism for the divorce between isokos and urhobos because you feel as people who migrated from benin and settled in delta state it makes sense to you for us to live together in peace and harmony. This is daylight dreaming, the fact on ground is isoko is a different ethnic group on its own & urhobos have accepted dat reality

Another point proven, we will never try to marginalize anyone.
Most of us from Edo even want an Homogeneous nation of just Edos

Gregyboy
Valirex
Areafada2
Igbosmoker

Even till today, some parts of urhoboland are Still lagging behind in terms of development like okpeland. And this is why there has been clamours to recognize okpe as a seperate ethnic group from urhobo like the isokos. But what these people fail to understand is that development is a gradual process, okpe itself homes the only domestic airport in urhoboland, just as WRPC is located in uvwie local governmen. With the urbanization of warri and uvwie, the next area of focus tilts toward okpe. infact most future urhobo projects will be situated in okpe kingdom because uvwie has no lands to house such projects again. The next governor of the state when zoned to delta central will be microzoned to okpe for instance to enabel them enjoy the dividend of democracy.
so whenever you see such comments from deltans on nairaland, it may not represent the general opinion of urhobos. Any Responsible urhobo son would not engage in unneccessary banters with edo people

Atigba:


I guess you are an ipob member

I can see the problem, you guys have been so divisive and spreading hate against different tribes since that group was created.

What you are seeing today is a reflection and reaction of your actions.

Everyone who disagree with you, you term them Yorubas or Fulanis.

So tell me what are you calling Asari or Ijaws Fulanis?

Asari is an Ijaw man.

No doubt.

but for Edos histories has put them as Yoruba stock.

Igbosmoker:
what do you mean by taking? Benin city was the headquarter in those days. Have you seen any region that doesn't developed their capital city?

Take Delta state for example, I know many urhobo and isoko that are still angry about the capital been in asaba, they are even angry about the development in the city.

Remember crude oil wasn't selling in large commercial quantities then and "Benin" provided much of the money meant for development through palm oil, timbers, rubber etc

Delta State is the largest producer of rubber in Nigeria and has always been, sapele was a major timber producing town. So how did Benin provide those?

MelesZenawi:




Asari is an Ijaw man.

No doubt.

but for Edos histories has put them as Yoruba stock.

Binis

Eberejesus111:


Thats good, but I believe Nigeria to either do restructuring or allow southern states to secede and make the restructuring themselves of themselves confederate states.

Confederate states is the best for we the south, because we all complement each other down here.

Yourbas: Policy making when it includes education: So better education, if they're serious.

Bini: Oba a good tool for cultural tourism and, the people are also educationally inclined too.

Urhobo and Isoko: handles everything related to fishery and architecture in some quarters. Also including farming.

Izon: control the fishing industry, side by side with Urhobo/Isoko

Igbo: Business and Marketing of products internationally and pays tax to states they trade with. And farming for the Enugu and Ebonyi region (finding steps to make food cheap and affordable)

Then resource redistribution would be: 60-70% for the state and the remaining percentage for federal projects, especially for poor states in the country.

This is the best political mechanism, and everyone is happy based on the speedy development.

Industries would be situated in your state based on what you're producing. And if there's no Resource in your state the federal government gives grants, and keeps a keen eye on those grants to make sure it's effectively used.

I really don't know where people get the idea that Yoruba is way ahead in education? I really don't

Igbosmoker:
wow I love your response.

What do you think about esan and Edo north people? Some of them have "anti Benin" agenda.

What do you also think about Benin and the issue of ports.

I would love to hear your opinion on that

Gele Gele Port can be developed easily. More than enough to serve Edo population.

Like I said in a post some days ago, if ever the option of a free Edo country came, it would be Benin Kingdom. It is historical ignorance or denial that led to it being called Edo State.

Edo is just the capital of Benin Empire. Not even including Egor, Oluku. Eyaen, Useh or areas surrounding Benin City.

Although over time it came to mean the tribe and language of the Benins (nothing like Bini, it's either Igodomigodo, Ubini or Benin), whereas Benin Empire included many parts of Eastern Yorubaaland and some areas of current Niger Delta and Lagos.

An Esan or Urhobo is actually more Benin than Edo or Edoid. Because many left during Ubini pre-Edo time. Before 1440 AD. Some left just as the name Edo was taking root.

It's like people from Epe or Ikorodu saying they do not like the name Lagos but would prefer Isaleko as name of their state. Because Oba of Lagos is not called Oba of Isaleko. Even though Isaleko is the actual location of Eleko palace Idugaran.

Even old Bendel derived from Benin and Delta Provinces. All of current Edo were in Benin province but suddenly Benin wasn't seen as diplomatic enough as the name of a state.

Historical perspective is crucial if as a Benin person if you want to understand how Esan and indeed others relate to Benin.

That many Esan are fiercely anti-Benin is well known. And of late some Igbo are trying to exploit it on social media.

That the Benins consider us and Esan as brothers is seen as an unbalanced equation by many Esan, not all. They fear they will never be majority and will need Benin support. That's fine as long as we do not under undermine or sell each other at every opportunity.

But they forget that Benin have always considered opinions of others. Being 67% of Edo population Benins could have decided to always vote on block or form a Benin party.

At the end Edo Central and North should get a plebiscite regarding where they want to be. At some point I believe Edo North and Central should form.onr State together.

With the disunity we have seen in Nigeria, a divided house won't help anyone. Even the Bible says two cannot walk together unless they agree.

Mystiquefia:
valirex
igbosmoker
Areafada2

You guys need need to undastand lostz point of view. Fact is Lostz is speaking from an isoko perpective of the supposed marginalization and relegation of the isoko people by the then midwest region cum bendel state which benefited the benins and urhobos the most because of their population. So whenever you make reference to urhobo, itsekiri or anioma people for instance which dominated the politics of bendel state and try to lump isokos and urhobos together to buttress your point you wont get anywhere with the arguement because isokos dont see themselves as urhobos. I also understand that as Benin Sons you guys are having a had time deciphering the rationalism for the divorce between isokos and urhobos because you feel as people who migrated from benin and settled in delta state it makes sense to you for us to live together in peace and harmony. This is daylight dreaming, the fact on ground is isoko is a different ethnic group on its own & urhobos have accepted dat reality

you actually see my point. not only Isoko communities. most part of Delta were left to decay by the Benin base government.


even present day Edo is being dominated by the Beni's. there are some local government in Edo that are not livable

valirex:


We can complement ourselves by being close allies and still cooperating. We don't have to be one nation to complement ourselves. US and Europe complement themselves but not by being one nation.

Now do you know US isn't literally a country per say. US... Look at it U-United S-States A-America

Now the words we would be using here is United and States. US is a combination of different countries or states coming together to form a nation, a country (all made in agreement).

In the US, there are poor states, like I mean poor states and there are rich states. Each complements each other. For example, California has majority of the resources and is the tech capital of the country, New York is the financial capital, Pennsylvania and a majority of the Yankee north are the industrial places, Louisiana, and most southern states are farming places and it goes on and on. Ohio is a state or country that is poor, so the government supports it with other poor states.

United states is almost similar to the now United Nations.

Europe saw this and copied the united states, this is why they made European Union, even starting off with their own currency to tighten the bond and make them a full-blown state or country.
Europe where the first to think about such union, although United states practiced theirs, but it was spontaneous for the United States.

Now even in Europe they still complement each other, in a very healthy way.

If some states leave, there is a great tendency some would become quite poor, and depend on internationalal help. This is the reason I made the suggestion of a confederate southern state as above. We don't need to call it Biafra or Oduduwa republic, or even Niger-delta republic. We can all come together and make a name that speaks prosperity.

darfay:



I really don't know where people get the idea that Yoruba is way ahead in education? I really don't

Well, it's all about the selling point. Every tribe, as I've found in Nigeria has a selling point. If you give a Yoruba man book, he is more likely to work effectively in that area than any other thing as they posit.

So in essence, what you feel you're good at, then you can brag about it, but make sure people see the effects in your character and your doing.