LukasPodolski:

This is not even something to argue on.

You can't rewrite history, Ironsi killed the Regional government.

LukasPodolski:

Well, I will not rubbish your opinion sir.

But don't let us shy away from the fact that There is division in the country which will always justify my use of the word "HOST"

If we can send away Almajiri from Southern Nigeria then I have every right to call myself a host, are almajiris not Nigerian?
If a certain ethnic group can carry out a coup targeted at others.
A major ethnic group being referred to as betrayers. And lots more.

The above justified my use of HOST.

But who do we blame? What is the way out?
The way out is separation and the last ethnic group to call for division is Ndigbos because their Foremost Leader was the only one that supported removal of succession clause.

Restructuring : Nigeria was practicing Regional government before an Igbo man abolished it.
Today the ethnic group clamouring for Division and restructuring are the Ndigbos.

The blame should be on diversity (an Ndigbos for supporting it from the start).

Personally I wouldn't blame Buhari because if I were him I will Care for my tribe more than others.

Igboid:


You defeated no claim. Kiriji and operation Wetie are living proofs of Yoruba inability to live relatively peaceful with each other when other groups are out of the picture. Civil Wars do occur, but yours were more than that. The Western region once Midwest left broke down into Awolowo and Akintola factions. If not for Nzeogwu stupidity who gave you lots respite by going to start a stupid coup, your region was about imploding.

National unities are built on hate. You don't deceive anyone. When Yorubas were delivering Yoruba Ronu speech, where you demonized Ndiigbo to unite yourselves, that's the hate.

When you go green with envy and start plotting evil at the mention of Biafra or Igbos, that's hate.

Nations are built on hate. Hate for subjugation, hate for domination, hate for poverty, hate for ideologies.
You unite a people by giving them something to hate and fear.

Yoruba and love? Hmm.

All over Social media, I see Yorubas convulsing like earthworms on salt at the mention of Biafra. You deceive no one.
Stay on your lane, and Ndiigbo will not mind you.
We have no desire to share a country with you, we expect the feelings to be mutual. But your negativity towards Biafra betrays this.

Igboid:


History according to Ibadan-Lagos express way media propaganda machine, okwaya?

diplomat058:
Wow! I thought we were conversing, but I was startled by your emotional outbursts.

Yorubas do NOT hate anyone. We only look out for ourselves and when you are in the way, we run you over. At some points, it was the Jihad Alimist Fulanis and their imperialist ambitions defeated, then we had to contend with the British colonialists, pretentious usurpers like Zik, internal saboteurs in the then Western Region, the military incursionists into politics, Biafra at Ore (A Yoruba territory) leading to a decisive defeat, Babangida and June 12 leading him to step aside, Abacha and Abiola, Yoruba Presidency in 1999, GEJ's scheming out of Yorubas despite the 2011 support leading to the endorsement of Buhari's presidency, and now restructuring for some, 2023 or secession for others.

It has always been a strategy and it will always be. And the western crises started when the NPC/NCNC Federal Coalition jailed Awolowo, and Zik, Balewa and Ahmadu Bello tried to turn the West to their vassal region in 1962, using Akintola. Well, I don't want to take sides, to avoid being deemed partisan. They disorganized the region and made way for the Midwest to leave in 1963.

Igboid:


Gowon and Awolowo that dissolved the regions in attempt to stop Biafra exodus would have allowed the secession clause exist so that Biafrans can activate and leave Nigeria?


Are you listening to yourself?
The regions were constitutionally inshrined, even Ironsi didn't abolish them, he only centralized civil service and command structures, yet Gowon and Awo had no fuss dismantling the regions, yet you want the audience to believe they would have allowed a stupid clause stay?
Military decrees only legitimate parts of the constitution that doesn't interfere with their own agenda. Anything else that does, is easily changed.

The period of history was a dictatorship era. Secession clause is a civilian law. If the regions went, so would have the clause.

All I see with this redundant secession clause arguments is that Yorubas are in love with Nigeria and are in hunt for whatever senseless reason to justify why Ndiigbo should continue existing in same country with them.
Because it doesn't even make sense anymore.

Secession clause wouldn't have made things easier for the Eastern region, as the clause would have been the first thing Awolowo and Gowon would tackle, seeing the way they easily dissolved the regions.

LukasPodolski:

We can't disregard history and embrace narrative from IPOB bureau of statistics.

Sunnewspaper,vanguard.. this two has been barred from their own backyard.

I'm sorry.

You are being evasive.

What gave you the impression that it would be removed? was the skeletal federalism that we now practiced removed from the 1979 constitution? Ironsi abolished resource control and centralized command structure, was that not the greatest disservice to our federalism? The subsequent military dictatorships only followed his footsteps, and when Ojukwu failed to remit the federal revenues in the Eastern region, that was one of the causes of the war.

Awo vehemently fought for the inclusion of a secession clause which Zik and Bello rejected. I believe he was not opposed to secession during the civil war, as he even threatened Gowon that Yorubas would leave too. The major position of the Federal council, which Awo was part of, was that the secession was being foisted on the Igbo people and the oil rich Eastern minorities by Ojukwu, for whatever reasons. So, technically, you can not even indict Awo on the suppression of secession during the war.

After all, many Eastern Minority Soldiers also fought on the federal side and this gave credence to the federal narrative that the Eastern Consensus was a well packaged hoax

LukasPodolski:
These fools will never blame Azikiwe, Ironsi, the famous coward Ojukwu Kaduna Nzeogwu for their current predicament.

Rather, they will blame;

The greatest Awolowo for not allowing one dull man to take over the Western region.

Why would a visionary leader leave his own people?

That man sef dull for 500naira note.

Our very own Awolowo was featured in 2019 hottest series, money heist.

Igboid:


Lol! You have to rope Zik into your internal crisis in the Western region?
Zik is the one who made greed not to allow Awolowo and Akintola unite their ranks?

You find a way to bring your hate to the Igbo man and then turn around and accuse us of hate.
Zik had no hand in the western region crisis.
It was Akintola who went and renacted Afonja part 2 in desperate need to seize power from Awolowo, who went for an Alliance with NPC.

But you have to bring Zik into it, and not hold your sophisticated politicians accountable.
Zik was the one who pleaded for Awolowo not to be jailed in Northern prison where they would have killed him. Despite Awolowo bad deeds against Zik in the west, Zik intervened and pleaded on Saraduna and co to have Awo transfered to East (Calabar) for his safety.

But to the Yoruba man, Zik was the cause of his woes.
Again you blame GEJ for Yoruba not having any post in 2011, when again it was your son Tinubu playing your sophisticated politics, who schemed out Mulikat from the house of representatives speaker position GEJ and PDP endorsed her for, when Tinubu and SW ACN all backed break away from PDP Tambuwal for the post, just to mock GEJ and sell the agenda of GEJ marginalizing SW in 2015 in preparation for Buhari becoming a saint and his coronation that following suit?

You deceive no one with your veneer of "detribalized" as we all know no such thing exists.
We all look out for the interest of our own groups.

Igboid:


Maybe because Awowolo masterminded the highest money heist in African history

diplomat058:
Lol. You made Zik into a saint.

First, to correct you, Awo never collaborated with NPC which was controlled by Ahmadu Bello. In fact, since the 1959 election, he prominently favoured a southern alliance in conjunction with Northern minorities, then called pagan provinces, to root out the NPC from being dominant in the Parliament. He was the big picture. Sadly, ambitious Zik was not that patient, and when the NPC couldn't get a majority in 1959, Zik opted to form a Coalition Federal government with the Fulanis. If he refused, a second ballot would have been held, and in the absence of an absolute majority the second time, a simple majority would be used. That way, Awo hopes that the NCNC and the AG would combine seats, at the federal house of rep in Lagos, to secure the simple majority. That was the big picture.

Also, the NPC was complicit in the western crises. Awo wanted to partner with Zik's NCNC but Zik was still a member of the coalition government. Akintola, on the other hand, played the NPC card. After Awo was jailed and the UPGA (the alliance of NCNC and AG) lost out in the federal elections of 1964, Zik betrayed the resistance that followed by forming a second coalition government with the NNA (the alliance of the NPC and the new Akintola's NNDP). In the federal cabinet that emerged, no single AG member was in there. Talk about betrayal and selfishness once again.

And about Jonathan, in fact, ousting him was really a testament of our political sophistication as a people. I was really happy cos the marginalization was deep and suffocating. And you know it. He, himself, admitted it.

Igboid:
diplomat058



Still beating around the bush.
Did Ironsi dissolve the regions? No! Everything else is your subjective interpretations which you are entitled to. But let's not deviate from the meat of the argument, which is that the FG headed by Awolowo and Gowon were the ones who dissolved the regions and not Ironsi.

Ironsi watered the ground, Ironsi buttered the bread, Ironsi sugared the tea, all those are conjectures. Truth is that Ironsi left the four regions intact. It wasn't he who dissolved them. Gowon with Awolowo consent did.
The regions didn't survive Gowon and Awo touch, secession clause wouldn't have too.

The immediate cause of the war was Gowon and Nigeria failure to keep to Aburi agreement.



He was promoting starvation policy to help Nigeria win the war and keep Biafra. But somehow, you believe and want us to believe he wasn't against secession of Biafra, he just enjoys starving Biafrans, incredible.

Ojukwu and Effiong were open to plebiscite/referendum in Biafra supervised by UN and OAU to squash the Awolowo propaganda of Ojukwu and Ndiigbo forcing minorities into Biafra.
There is a British intelligence report to that effect that showed that the minorities on the majority would have supported Biafra. Awolowo and Gowon had access to that intelligence report. So it's a blatant lie that Awolowo was under the impression that Ojukwu was holding Biafrans under hostage.
Look for better lie to spread. This one is dead.




It gave no credence. There were Igbos in Nigeria army too, Ike Nwachukwu was one of them. Banjo led Biafra march to Ore, so are Yorubas now Biafrans too?

See the report :

LukasPodolski:

Boy you see, they used influential cities and Names to Garner viewers.

Berlin,Tokyo,Oslo, Denver, Nairobi,Rio, PA Awolowo's note.

Were you expecting them to use dullard Azikiwe, coward Ojukwu, murderer Nzeogwu?

The greatest Robbery in Africa is collective looting of over $20B by Allison Madueke, Jonathan and Okonjo iweala. Or.

Laundering of billions of NDDC funds to start Air peace, them no born Allen Onyema to enter United States.... Nah jail straight.

As for that overrated thief Iweala, her days are numbered.

diplomat058:
Lol. You accuse of subjective analysis, yet your post reeks of bias.

When the causes of an event are to be analysed, you don't just hear about the immediate ones. As a matter of fact, the remote causes are a better eye opener into the eruptions. What were the remote causes? Well, these are established facts, indicting the January coup executors and Ironsi for remotely causing the war. And then later, the Northern pogroms, Gowon-Ojukwu rivalry and other implicit factors played their part. You wanting to absolve Ironsi of his ill-informed wrongdoings keep up stuck in here.

And I talk about Eastern minority soldiers in their hundreds and you compare them them to just one Biafran Yoruba who was a victim of circumstances. This is laughable, to say the least.

You talk about the Feds intercepting a British military Intel, do you have veritable non nigerian links for this? This was one of Ojukwu propaganda during the war, but you categorized them as your 'facts' and then turn around to accuse me of indicting Ironsi on fallacious grounds.

Lol

Igboid:


I never said Awo went into coalition with the NPC. "Who" in my sentence was referring to Akintola.

After Awolowo playing the tribal card against Zik in the western region, you can not fault Zik for not being so enamored with Awowolo.
Moreover, it's on record that Awo sent double delegation to Zik and Saraduna same time. While Zik was in Onitsha negotiating a possible alliance with Awo and AG, news filtered through That AG had another delegation in North negotiating for alliance with NPC.
Zik and Saraduna were pissed off with Awo for such treachery and decided to form alliance with each other.
Awo tribalism killed Southern unity in Lagos. His sophisticated politics which Akintola learnt and that Tinubu is currently playing , killed any chance of AG-NCNC coalition.

Zik is not a saint. But the buck of blame ends up in Awolowo table.

You lots have a penchant for twisting history. The UPGA coalition decided to boycott elections. When election boycott didn't work and Akintola NNDP had cleared the votes, Zik was left with little options than to form a government with them.
Let's not forget that the UPGA alliance which was a southern resistance to Fulani dominance failed because of the Yoruba party of NNDP led by FFK father who joined ranks with NPC. Talk about betrayal.

Well, your sophisticated politics like it did when NNDP(Yoruba party) make the effort of UPGA coalition useless, have once again betrayed the the South.
And like Zik did, Ndiigbo would again be left with no option but to let the North have it all again.

This is what Yorubas call sophisticated politics. Retrogression.

nijabazaar:


So, I still conclude that my dog has the greatest chance at forming five word syllables than an influential Yoruba convincing his people on the need to secede from Nigeria.

Igboid:


"The unprecedented mingling of all groups and settling of many minority people in the Ibo heartland during the course of the war was simply taken for granted. Nonetheless, the Biafran regime was unreservedly committed to plebiscites in any disputed areas within Biafra, or on borders, so that people involved could determine their allegiance. It was proposed that these plebiscites be conducted under international( UN or O.A.U)supervision, and with adequate safeguard against punitive retaliation

The federal government rejected the plebiscite proposal, obviously because it implied the recognition of Biafra and the substitution of a democratic vote for force of arms. Had the plebiscite been held, a ceasefire would have had to be declared, neutral observers would have been on scene, and the secession would have been revealed as a people's movement".

The New York Review of Books, Volume 14, Number 8. April 23,1970.
"In an authoritative and detailed memorandum on the background, cause and consequences of the Nigerian civil war issued in November 1968 by more than sixty British subjects, including Sir Robert Stapleton, the last British governor of the Eastern region( 1959-60), it was concluded that of the 37 percent of the population which they estimated that minority group represented in Biafra, only 10% would favour continued association with the federal government".
The. New York review of Books, Volume 14,Number 8. April 23, 19701

Ojukwu, Efiong, Gowon and Awolowo all knew what the outcome of a referendum in Eastern region minorities areas would have been, which was why Ojukwu and Effiong was calling for it, while Awolowo and Gowon refused to accept it, but chose to continue with the propaganda of Igbos holding minorities to ransom.

Yes! One-third of minorities would have voted against Biafra, but 2/3 would have voted for Biafra which would have disgraced Awolowo and Gowon.

Even the minorities who were campaigning for one Nigeria then, knew they were not the majority in their zone.
Saro admitted that more Ogoni leaders were for Biafra than were for Nigeria, and that he faced lots of opposition at Ogoni for siding with Nigeria.

nijabazaar:
Total bullshit

Only an igbo person can restructure this country and that is why the northern oligarchy and its south western puppets are bent on preventing this.

Most Nigerians greatest fear about igbo presidency is not the domination of igbos actually but the fact that an igbo president might mean the end of Nigeria as it is

Iceberg3:


Be honest,who on earth would've thought someone as retrogressive and backward and tribal as buhari will ever be President?!!!

But simply cos you yorubas wanted to spite the igbos, you did.

Well I'm sorry and not sorry for using the term zoo cos right now I'm fuckn sweating profusely and fanning myself with my cloth,in total darkness!!!!

7lives:


You are really frustrated o, na war.

Iceberg3:


Be honest,who on earth would've thought someone as retrogressive and backward and tribal as buhari will ever be President?!!!

But simply cos you yorubas wanted to spite the igbos, you did.

Well I'm sorry and not sorry for using the term zoo cos right now I'm fuckn sweating profusely and fanning myself with my cloth,in total darkness!!!!

diplomat058:
Well, the choice of Buhari wasn't irrational, to me, in 2015. GEJ performed below expectations and people decided to try Buhari. You know the rigidity of his tenure in the '80s also helped give credence to the APC campaign narrative that Buhari would stamped out corruption, and it worked of course. You can't deter people from exercising their rights of choice.

Besides, the SW is a liberal region, not conservative like many others. The voting ratio was 60:40 in favour of Buhari, but you guys don't talk about the 40% at all. That is prejudice, I think.

And you and I are not zoo inhabitants

nobaga:
Chei see hypocrite. You voted massively for the same man - Buhari/Okadigbo

Simbrixton:
how can someone be so myopic to blame yoruba on everything

Go to edo state and see the complexity in their politics are edo people yoruba

Are Igala people yoruba

Igbos must stop victimising yorubas let's move on abeg

All dese one dimensional way of thinking like broken records

Is not helping

WeneWali:


Lol...start determining now. Because you and I know that that yoruba will not be president in 2023, since you don't believe in rotational zoning that you have previously enjoyed. You have taken your own share in 1999-2003.

And finally, if you start your oduduwa cries when you lose in 2023, the SE and SS will be waiting to pay you back based on how you treated Biafra and resource control issues, together with the North.

Diplomatic reciprocity is what it is called.

LukasPodolski:

The question now is, what's stopping you guys from evacuating your meagre properties from Lagos?