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Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 5:52pm On May 31, 2020
Benin is an independent ethnic group which since inception never had any ancestral connections with yorubas, like we all know oba eweka11 created a myth linking edo ancestral royalty with yorubas for political reasons out of fear of edo been a mioriry he had maintained ekaladeran who originally died at ughoton left to found ife after a distortion in benin monarchy, although the story is known to be a myth, but benins influence on yorubas cannot be undermined and it shouldn't be mistaken that the cultural similarities between this two group had come from oromiyan, “oba eweka mythology” which has already been proved to be a mere political staged myth, history has it that benins had been in the shores of the yorubas before the advent of the Portuguese the first Europeans who visited benin in 1475AD,  the reign of the great warrior king ewuare who reigned at the late 15 century had conquered yoruba areas closed to benin and had brought them under his rule , Yoruba areas like owo", ifon, ore'. in the present ondo state have all fell to his rule and the subsequent obas in benin, had expanded the territories further interior into yoruba lands,
The term jebus is a coined word from benin which originated from capture yoruba slaves by benin warriors who were used as sacrifice to the goddess of the river olokun, when this yoruba slaves were thrown to this river it usually gives the sound jebu " which the word jebu was coined from, a French writer also wrote in the 16c that the lucumies(oyo). Once served as slaves in the palace of the Oba,
   The benins warriors also had served as machineries in the past for some yoruba kings and benin had constantly sold guns to the various yorubas in thier various wars which samuel johnson witnessed and mentioned in his book history of yorubas written in 1897
In the aspect of trading benins had sold clothes beeds to the yorubas through trading
In a nutshell the relationship between benin and eastern yorubas had been conquered and conqueror and as a whole to the entire yoruba people it had been a family friend relationship and Not necessarily a family relationship which people mistake it for, oyo and benin had clashed in the past over the protection of eastern Yoruba vassal which benin came victorious, benin had sold many yorubas as slaves to the Europeans and yorubas as a whole have been greatly influenced by benin culture through various activities.

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 6:03pm On May 31, 2020
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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 6:26pm On May 31, 2020
Hmm, this thread looks empty , does the truth scares....


Oba gha to kpere ise!!


Oba yagbon ya seko eko
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Etinosa1234: 7:47pm On May 31, 2020
u tried bro...

they'll still come and lie to us that oduduwa came from the sky ...and they came from Egypt
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 10:17pm On May 31, 2020
Etinosa1234:
u tried bro...

they'll still come and lie to us that oduduwa came from the sky ...and they came from Egypt


They can't deny it even thier foremost scholar saw and recorded this influence benin had over them

I am just creating this thread for future reference for the next generation who will sort for it.. Nothing more

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by valirex: 11:35am On Jun 01, 2020
Nice one bro but Oba doesn't have any reason to play politics. Oduduwa is Ekaladeran. And yes Ekaladeran was at Ughoton but he later left
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by macof(m): 1:00pm On Jun 01, 2020
valirex:
Nice one bro but Oba doesn't have any reason to play politics. Oduduwa is Ekaladeran. And yes Ekaladeran was at Ughoton but he later left
Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true

You would need to match your claim with historically verifiable sources

So far, oduduwa is known to have come from Òkè-Ọ̀rà where he was Osinora and settled first at Igbodio
There's no Ughoton or Igodomigodo in the piece of evidence

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 7:52pm On Jun 01, 2020
valirex:
Nice one bro but Oba doesn't have any reason to play politics. Oduduwa is Ekaladeran. And yes Ekaladeran was at Ughoton but he later left


I will give a benefit of doubt you have to bring historical backings to this


Ekalderhan existed in benin history but like many oral history it had many tales not even linking to oba dynasty...... Davidnazee gave a screenshot on that....
Oba eweka 11 made the proclamation that ekaladeran left to ife which didn't happen in history


You just have to read.... Dont let the words of others fool you......
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Binikingdowm: 7:25am On Jun 02, 2020
Hahaha yorubas will come and twist their history. I blame British for dragging us back and giving other ethnic groups power.

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 1:13pm On Jun 04, 2020
Whenever you all feel obligated to be a bigot, let it sink in you all that:

Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves.

Ibadan sacked many settlements in Benin Kingdom.


This is not to mention how Benin City itself was at the mercy of Ogedengbe.

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 7:37pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:
Whenever you all feel obligated to be a bigot, let it sink in you all that:

Ibadan raided Benin Kingdom for slaves.

Ibadan sacked many settlements in Benin Kingdom.


This is not to mention how Benin City itself was at the mercy of Ogedengbe.


the thug Ogendegbe was driven back by an esan warrior by the order of the oba of benin he never steped foot in benin city how would he cross the benin walls and the ditch surrounding it

Ogendegbe was stop at esan



Ibadan raided his people in edo north the yoruba people who fled to edo for safety
They still keep thier yoruba names today

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 9:10pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:



(1) We killed the thug... Ogendegbe in esan land he never steped foot in benin how would he cross the benin walls and the ditch surrounding it

Ogendegbe was stop at esan


(2) Ibadan raided his people in edo north the yoruba people who fled to edo for oba safety
They still keep thier yoruba names today

(1) Now Ogedengbe of Ilesa is a thug because he raided Benin Kingdom and took captive of your people. grin cheesy

Anyways, if there was any evidence that a single Edo finger was raised against him (let alone kill him) I'm sure you would not have hesitated to share such evidence. cheesy

The only evidence available in academia, however, remains the fact that Ogedengbe descended against Benin Kingdom and took many captives.


(2) Aje of Ibadan raided the Edo settlements. The people he raided are from:

Ososo, Osi, Ebune, Ugbosi, Ibillo, Ekor, Ekpesa, Lankpese, Ibiekuma, Ekpe, and many others.

Your brothers like davidnazee have surrendered their lie and with shame admitted these are all Edos.

The people themselves (according to their own testimony as stated in Bradbury's account attached below) shows clearly that they are Edos, and that the Yorubas are a different people.

See link for a reminder of where you fled from.

https://www.nairaland.com/5846948/benin-yoruba-speaking-empire/9#90343032

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 9:15pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


(1) Now Ogedengbe of Ilesa is a thug because he raided Benin Kingdom and took captive of your people. grin cheesy

Anyways, if there was any evidence that a single Edo finger was raised against him (let alone kill him) I'm sure you would not have hesitated to share such evidence. cheesy

The only evidence available in academia, however, remains the fact that Ogedengbe descended against Benin Kingdom and took many captives.


(2) Aje of Ibadan raided the following Edo settlements namely:



Did ogedegbe venture to benin
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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 9:21pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:


Did ogedegbe venture to benin

Yes Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many of your people as slaves.


I am still waiting for your evidence that he was killed by the Benin people after enslaving and torturing them.cheesy cheesy grin
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 9:23pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


Yes Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many of your people as slaves.


I am still waiting for your evidence that he was killed by the Benin people after enslaving and torturing them.cheesy cheesy grin


Benin kindom is diff from benin city....

So did he enter benin city
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 9:30pm On Jun 05, 2020
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grin grin grin grin grin Did you just post a screenshot from an Edo blog and passed it off as academic evidence?? cheesy grin cheesy OMG! rotflmao! cheesy

Anyways, that's all you could afford -- Edo blogs from where you all regurgitate super-stories into each others' mouths.

If you had an academic evidence (such as a peer-reviewed academic journal article, etc.) I am 100000000% certain that you would have presented it.

Such statements is no more than super story. No substantiation whatsoever.

What remains affirmed as fact is that Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many Edo as slaves.

Moreover, even your Edo blog is yet to support your imagination that Edos killed Ogedengbe. grin cheesy

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 9:35pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


grin grin grin grin grin Did you just post a screenshot from an Edo blog and passed it off as academic evidence?? cheesy grin cheesy OMG! rotflmao! cheesy

Anyways, that's all you could afford -- Edo blogs from where you all regurgitate super-stories into each others' mouths.

If you had an academic evidence (such as a peer-reviewed academic journal article, etc.) I am 100000000% certain that you would have presented it.

Such statements is no more than super story. No substantiation whatsoever.

What remains affirmed as fact is that Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many Edo as slaves.

Moreover, even your Edo blog is yet to support your imagination that Edos killed Ogedengbe. grin cheesy



Edo blog yea it is but it was an interview record made by a whiteman to a Yoruba man
The edo only posted it on thier site as form of documentation


While you wont take it serious others will

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 9:38pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:


Benin kindom is diff from benin city....

So did he enter benin city

Oh you just admitted that Ogedengbe captured Edos as slaves from your Benin Kingdom.

But your joy is that he did not wipe off the whole kingdom including the capital. cheesy

Well, may be you should read out to everyone what Ogedengbe's military mission/agenda document says about his original intended destination -- The capital of Benin Kingdom?

No, his mission was to capture non-Yoruba slaves with his specific target at that point being Edos -- Benin Kingdom.

Benin Kingdom's military failed to stop him from enslaving their people.

Still waiting on your evidence of his death at the hands of the Edos who he enslaved and tortured.
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 9:41pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


grin grin grin grin grin Did you just post a screenshot from an Edo blog and passed it off as academic evidence?? cheesy grin cheesy OMG! rotflmao! cheesy

Anyways, that's all you could afford -- Edo blogs from where you all regurgitate super-stories into each others' mouths.

If you had an academic evidence (such as a peer-reviewed academic journal article, etc.) I am 100000000% certain that you would have presented it.

Such statements is no more than super story. No substantiation whatsoever.

What remains affirmed as fact is that Ogedengbe raided in Benin Kingdom capturing many Edo as slaves.

Moreover, even your Edo blog is yet to support your imagination that Edos killed Ogedengbe. grin cheesy


Do you know why i like quoting you, you seem not to quit in the face of defeat, you will still find
Words to say, you are unlike the others who finds thier words while using you as bait

Anyway i deliberately tagged you on this post i know you will run coming, and as soon as you do that, the others will come around....
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 9:44pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:


Edo blog yea it is but it was an interview record made by a Yoruba man not edo


Edo blog only copied the audio speech into written documents

While you wont take it serious others will

It doesn't matter who Edo-world blog claimed to get any super-story from.

The point is Edo-world blog is a non-authoritative amateurish source for layperson like yourself.

To any sane serious person, such doesn't constitute historical evidence by any stretch of the imagination.

The so-called writers/admin of the blog are mere lay-persons and dullards like yourself who writes sensationally for specific audience and then attribute the statement to be from an interview with God, or Oba of Lagos, et al. grin wink cheesy

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 9:45pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


Oh you just admitted that Ogedengbe captured Edos as slaves from your Benin Kingdom.

But your joy is that he did not wipe off the whole kingdom including the capital. cheesy

Well, may be you should read out to everyone what Ogedengbe's military mission/agenda document is -- stressing on where it says his actual destination was the capital.

No, his mission was to capture non-Yoruba slaves with his specific target at that point being Edos -- Benin Kingdom.

Benin Kingdom's military failed to stop him from enslaving their people.

Still waiting on your evidence of his death at the hands of the Edos who he enslaved and tortured.


Ogedengbe never steped in benin city he only raided edo north to edo central, were he was stoped at igueben and was driven back by the esan warriors by the orders of the oba of benin

Ogedengbe was later captured by the British and was later released untill he died in1910
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 9:46pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:



Do you know why i like quoting you, you seem not to quit in the face of defeat, you will still find
Words to say, you are unlike the others who finds finds thier words while using as bait

Anyway i deliberately tagged you on this post i know you will run coming, and as soon as you do that, the others will come around....

If you had any concrete reply to what you just quoted, you would definitely have presented it instead of the super-story you typed here.

More like being defensive and projecting your very own insecurity and flaws on your interlocutor. grin cheesy
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 9:53pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


If you had any concrete reply to what you just quoted, you would definitely have presented it instead of the super-story you typed here.

More like being defensive and projecting your very own insecurity and flaws on your interlocutor.

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 10:00pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:



(1) Ogedengbe never steped in benin city he only raided edo north to edo central

(2) were he stoped at igueben and was driven back by the esan warriors by the orders of the oba of benin

(3) Ogedengbe was later captured by the British and was later released untill he died in1910


(1) For your statement to be perceived as sane, you will have to show that he intended to capture Benin City and not simply Edo/Bini slaves.

More like Oyo warriors capturing Hausa slaves and then a ret@rded Hausa internet warrior says:

WeLl, tHe OyO wArrIorS DiDn'T cApTuRe aNyOne fRoM KaNo.

Hello, Hausa slaves is want they want and that could be from any Hausa kingdom, they didn't set out for kAnO. Gosh!

I wonder what the military of Benin Kingdom in charge of those parts of their Kingdom were busy doing while he slave-raided for ?months before returning.

(2) Even after several plea and begging for evidence to substantiate this statement, you still couldn't produce any -- not one line of statement.

Even your disgraceful allusion to an Edo blog didn't support you.


(3) Oh he wasn't killed in an engagement anymore. grin

He was only captured and then released to let go and die later. cheesy grin grin cheesy cheesy grin

Interesting shameless Benin spin. But you have to make up your mind though

But in any case, I am waiting for the evidence for this latest spin.

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 10:05pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:

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Keep searching!

Hopefully someday (when you grow up) you would find one evidence which says he was stopped, or killed, or captured by the Edos/Binis. grin cheesy

Thank you for providing "evidence" that Ogedengbe raided Benin Kingdom for ?months.
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 10:06pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


(1) For your statement to be perceived as sane, you will have to show that he intended to capture Benin City and not simply Edo/Bini slaves.

More like Oyo warriors capturing Hausa slaves and than a ret@rded Hausa internet warrior saying:

WeLl, tHe OyO wArrIorS DiDn'T cApTuRe aNyOne fRoM KaNo.

Hello, Hausa slaves is want they want and that could be from any Hausa kingdom, they didn't set out for kAnO. Gosh!

I wonder what the military of Benin Kingdom in charge of those parts of their Kingdom were busy doing while he slave-raided for ?months before returning.

(2) Even after several plea and begging for evidence to substantiate this statement, you still couldn't produce any -- not one line of statement.

Even your disgraceful allusion to an Edo blog didn't support you.


(3) Oh he wasn't killed in an engagement anymore. grin

He was only captured and then released to let go and die later. cheesy grin grin cheesy cheesy grin

Interesting shameless Benin spin. But you have to make up your mind though

But in any case, I am waiting for the evidence for this latest spin.



So whats your version of ogedegbe lets hear it
Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 10:12pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:


So whats your version of ogedegbe lets hear it

Thanks for admitting that what you've been saying is nothing but conflicting mouth-to-mouth regurgitation of Edo blogs' super-stories [NOT history] for the purpose of sensationlism aimed at gullible Edo audience.


To correct you, I don't have what you called "your version". Unlike is is usual with you, History is not to be made up in the mind of individuals.

As far as History is concerned (from an objective and academic point of view), Ogedengbe was going about raiding and sacking territories to capture slaves for domestic purposes, to forcefully enlist them into his ranks, and to sell some abroad obviously.

The Edos he captured were just another unfortunate victims of his different incursions. For him, there is nothing peculiar about Benin Kingdom. It's just another potential unfortunate territory just like others.

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by Edeyoung: 10:16pm On Jun 05, 2020
TAO12:


Thanks for admitting that what you've been saying are conflicting Edo blog versions of a super-story [NOT history] or the purpose of sensationlism aimed at gullible Edo audience.


As far as history is concerned, Ogedengbe was going about raiding and sacking territories to capturing slaves for domestic purposes, to forcefully enlist them into his ranks, and to sell some abroad obviously.

The Edos he captured were just another unfortunate victims of his different incursions. For him, there is nothing peculiar about Benin Kingdom. It's just another potential unfortunate territory just like others.



Ogedengbe was driven back by the esan warriors no one felt his presence in esan except in edo north which he raided is yoruba people akoko

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Re: Benin Influence On Yorubas by TAO12: 10:57pm On Jun 05, 2020
Edeyoung:


Ogedengbe was driven back by the esan warriors no one felt his presence in esan except in edo north which he raided is yoruba people akoko

I have adviced that you should make up your mind.

You have said three contradictory things namely:

(1) He was killed by the Edos,

(2) He was driven back by the Edos, and

(3) He was captured and incarcerated by the Edos and later released alive.

Which of these do you stand by finally?? grin grin

Anyways, regardless of which of these three lies you stand by, you can't provide any evidence to substantiate it because each of these is no more than a mouth-to-mouth regurgitated Edo super-story.

The only account supported by evidence is that there were incurssion from Ogedengbe's led army on Benin Kingdom.

He raided and enslaved many Edos during those incursions, while the military of Benin Kingdom was helpless.

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