Royalsleek22:
Soul is what connects the spirit and the flesh

Thanks. Spirit + Physical Body =Soul. Spirit - Physical Body = Death.

titusmichael27:
So sorry about the delay. What is conscience in the first place? It is the inner voice or feelings that signal us whenever we do/did something right or wrong. However, it is base on our standard of moral training from infant or so. let's say christian and muslem for instance, do you think people from these religions have the same conscience? of course no! Conscience has a lot to do with mind (brain) and information (knowledge) in it.

I see!

"Conscience has a lot to do with the MIND"

This is me quoting you here. If I may ask what do yo understand to be the Mind

Because I can see you wrongfully equated it as the Brain, which it truly isn't.


Our Brain is understandably of our NEURAL/NEUROLOGICAL FACULTY which is Physical and of the FLESH.

The Mind is of a PSYCHIC faculty and NOT NEURAL. And of course the PSYCHE is not a Physical entity.
Now, where else is the Psyche if not embedded within your Soul.

You are right in saying that our conscience depends on information absorbed. But then remember! that the soul also can be fed through the physical senses(in your Bible study or Quran or whatever spiritual book you read).

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD of Jah"
The WORD here is a SOUL FOOD.

The amount of information(WORD)we have based on Scriptural/Spiritual studies shapes our conscience (within the soul's psyche) on what is righteous and what is not.

Whenever Mind is brought into topic, all i could think of is brain and information. what is inside our heads is brain and that's why i said brain.

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Lol! Bro just understand that your MIND is NOT
and I repeat IS NOT and WILL NEVER BE YOUR BRAIN??

Your Brain is in charge of your Intellect, Smarts and your body functioning.

Your Mind is far more vast than your brain sir. And it encompasses your whole being.

CalvinGaye:


Lol! Bro just understand that your MIND is NOT
and I repeat IS NOT and WILL NEVER BE YOUR BRAIN??

Your Brain is in charge of your Intellect, Smarts and your body functioning.

Your Mind is far more vast than your brain sir. And it encompasses your whole being.

Look for the meaning of "mind" underneath it you would see "brain"

Your soul is your person or you. Your spirit is the invisible body of your soul with which your soul relate with the world of spirits - God, devil, Angels or demons.

titusmichael27:
Look for the meaning of "mind" underneath it you would see "brain"

Hehe!

I see you're drawing a faulty conclusion from the above premises.

So because I see brain included in discussions regarding the Mind now means the Brain is a synonym for Mind right??

It means the two entities are completely the same.

Lol! This Sounds like the biggest FALLACY I've ever heard.

titusmichael27:
Look for the meaning of "mind" underneath it you would see "brain"

So in judging by your faulty conclusion,

It means

Psyche + logos = which gives birth to the word PSYCHOLOGY and which rightly means STUDY OF THE MIND or PSYCHE, is also the same as STUDY OF THE BRAIN right

The what now is NEUROLOGY?

CalvinGaye:


So in judging by your faulty conclusion,

It means

Psyche + logos = which gives birth to the word PSYCHOLOGY and which rightly means STUDY OF THE MIND or PSYCHE, is also the same as STUDY OF THE BRAIN right

The what now is NEUROLOGY?

please what is mind? help a brother here.

titusmichael27:
Isaiah 42:5 Thus said God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: (close quote) this tells you that the breath is different from the spirit. May be you should consider calling God breath cos john said he's a spirit.

NIV ---This is what God the Lord says —the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it.
God gives His breath to man, He gives His spirit, or He gives life.
If you interchange the Hebrew word for breath here (neshamah) and spirit (ruach), they mean the same thing. The former means gasp/breath, and the latter translated as breath/wind/air/spirit. That's why it's safe for NIV to refer to "spirit" simply as life in their own translation.
They are different phrases that means essentially the same thing.

backbone503:
You are Soul, a spark of God. You are merely putting on that physical body, just to survive while here. God didn't create your physical body, He created you, as Soul. And thats why its said that you're created in the image and likeness of God. Just like God, Soul is eternal.

Spirit is the essence of God that sustains ALL life forms. Spirit is God in expression. (i.e. God "stepped down" to a form that we can relate with). Soul exist solely because God loves It.

Using GSM analogy:
your physical body is the Phone,
Soul is the SIM card, and
Spirit is the Network.

I score you 95%

DeOTR:

NIV ---This is what God the Lord says —the Creator of the heavens, who stretches them out, who spreads out the earth with all that springs from it, who gives breath to its people, and life to those who walk on it.
God gives His breath to man, He gives His spirit, or He gives life.
If you interchange the Hebrew word for breath here (neshamah) and spirit (ruach), they mean the same thing. The former means gasp/breath, and the latter translated as breath/wind/air/spirit. That's why it's safe for NIV to refer to "spirit" simply as life in their own translation.
They are different phrases that means essentially the same thing.

First of all i hope you're not seeing this as an argument. So that the spirit can flow. the spirit of the Lord does not like contention. i'm going to share with you things that i realise from my personal study. The bible that you just quote from has about thirteen missing verses from the original bible that i personally discovered.

For the mere fact that you uses that bible simply mean that you've not yet develop the urge for the truth. They translated a bible to suit their personal teachings like 144,000 and that Christ did not resurrect with a physical body. Is this what Christ taught? A lot of bungos bible you see in the market today is a result of personal doctrines and greediness from sheep clothing pastors and prophets but inside is wolf leading the sheep of God away.

Man is a spirit that has a soul that lives in a body.

The soul is the cognitive part of the spirit

nonhuman:
I score you 95%

man is a spirit that has soul and lives in the body. Soul is a part of the spirit that is capable of reasoning.

Raydans:

Lol. Nice illustration. But Soul is the simcard while Spirit is the network

yeah
...thanx..my mistake

nonhuman:
I score you 95%

Thats not just an A, but a very strong one at that. Thanks man! I wish my CHM321 lecturers were this kind.

UyaiIncomparabl:

Nope.

I hope never to.

shadeyinka:

Very simple. A human being is a Trinity of Body, Soul and Spirit (each one of these is your IDENTITY). Your identity is how you are identified.

1. Your BODY is your physical identity. This is how everyone in the physical realm (your parent, your friend and even including your dog identify you). Your body can be recrafted either surgically or by accident and people will not recognise you again. Without physical light, your body is invisible.

2. Your SPIRIT is your spiritual identity. This is how everyone in the spiritual realm (God, Angels and even demons identify you). Just like Angels have a spiritual form and can be distinguishable from another angel, so also your spirit make you distinguishable from other spirits.

3. Your SOUL is your personal/internal identity. This is how YOU identify yourself as you. Even if you woke up after 2 years in coma and you discovered that you have been surgically physically converted to look exactly like Buhari, you won't mis-identify yourself as Buhari (no matter how perfect the surgery is). This is your internal/personal identity.Your soul is what you refer to as "ME", "I", "Myself" etc. Your soul has these functions:
the seat of your emotion,
the seat of your intellect and
the seat of choice/VOLITION

Animals are Dualities and have a Soul and Body
Angels, demons are Dualities and have a Soul and Spirit
Human beings are Trinities and they have a Body, Soul and Spirit.

When a man physically dies, his body is disconnected from the union of his Soul and Spirit. His Soul and Spirit this fully represent him before resurrection.

I hope this makes a little sense to you

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Thanks for the detailed explanation.

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Very simple. A human being is a Trinity of Body, Soul and Spirit (each one of these is your IDENTITY). Your identity is how you are identified.

1. Your BODY is your physical identity. This is how everyone in the physical realm (your parent, your friend and even including your dog identify you). Your body can be recrafted either surgically or by accident and people will not recognise you again. Without physical light, your body is invisible.

2. Your SPIRIT is your spiritual identity. This is how everyone in the spiritual realm (God, Angels and even demons identify you). Just like Angels have a spiritual form and can be distinguishable from another angel, so also your spirit make you distinguishable from other spirits.

3. Your SOUL is your personal/internal identity. This is how YOU identify yourself as you. You are absolutely correct.

Your spirit is the point of contact with the spirit world. if God would reach out to u, it will be through your regenerated human spirit. So you communicate to God spirit to spirit.
The soul is the real you. You body is just a house for your soul. If you drop death today, it is the body that actually died but the soul moved on to face internal judgement.
my little understanding......

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Thanks

delpee:


Thanks for the detailed explanation.

You're welcome

rlauncher:
Your soul is your person or you. Your spirit is the invisible body of your soul with which your soul relate with the world of spirits - God, devil, Angels or demons.

You got it reversed!

shadeyinka:

Very simple. A human being is a Trinity of Body, Soul and Spirit (each one of these is your IDENTITY). Your identity is how you are identified.

1. Your BODY is your physical identity. This is how everyone in the physical realm (your parent, your friend and even including your dog identify you). Your body can be recrafted either surgically or by accident and people will not recognise you again. Without physical light, your body is invisible.

2. Your SPIRIT is your spiritual identity. This is how everyone in the spiritual realm (God, Angels and even demons identify you). Just like Angels have a spiritual form and can be distinguishable from another angel, so also your spirit make you distinguishable from other spirits.

3. Your SOUL is your personal/internal identity. This is how YOU identify yourself as you. Even if you woke up after 2 years in coma and you discovered that you have been surgically physically converted to look exactly like Buhari, you won't mis-identify yourself as Buhari (no matter how perfect the surgery is). This is your internal/personal identity.Your soul is what you refer to as "ME", "I", "Myself" etc. Your soul has these functions:
the seat of your emotion,
the seat of your intellect and
the seat of choice/VOLITION

Animals are Dualities and have a Soul and Body
Angels, demons are Dualities and have a Soul and Spirit
Human beings are Trinities and they have a Body, Soul and Spirit.

When a man physically dies, his body is disconnected from the union of his Soul and Spirit. His Soul and Spirit this fully represent him before resurrection.

I hope this makes a little sense to you

@shadeyinka

How were you able to confirm that you have a soul and a spirit?

Have you at anytime lived independently of your physical body before?

triplechoice:
@shadeyinka

How were you able to confirm that you have a soul and a spirit?

Have you at anytime lived independently of your physical body before?

Only a dead person lives independently of his body.

1Ths 5:23:
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

But then who really are you?
Are you really your body or the thing that lives inside your body?

Ubongdemaga:
What is the difference between soul and spirit?

When talking about man.


Spirit is God's active force that's sustaining our life through breathing, so at death this force stops working only to be energized once again by the one who gave it "GOD" {Psalms 104:29, 146:4; Ecclesiastes 12:7} So the spirit can't die because it's the power God put in every creature to sustain our breathing! Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Soul is the living creature itself! Just as each person have different characters the soul is like our identity, a Lion is feared because of it's ability while still alive but at death a living dog is preferable {Ecclesiastes 9:4} So when we are talking about the soul, it means the personality as in the real character, Buhari and Danladi are both men but one is the President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria while the other is a yam seller in my neighbourhood.
At death they become equal!
The soul will die because it's just the personality we are revering in a human body! Ezekiel 18:4,20

God bless you!

shadeyinka:

Only a dead person lives independently of his body.

1Ths 5:23:
"And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

But then who really are you?
Are you really your body or the thing that lives inside your body?

If it is only dead people that can live independently of their body, how are you certain that at death you will be separated from your body?

Or have you experience death before?

Any other experience you have had to prove your soul --- spirit theory would be welcomed..
Thanks

triplechoice:



If it is only dead people that can live independently of their body, how are you certain that at death you will be separated from your body?

Or have you experience death before?

Any other experience you have had to prove your soul --- spirit theory would be welcomed..
Thanks

It seems you do not regard scriptural reference as adequate. And that EVIDENCE is your final authority in deciding truth from fiction. No problem!

Unfortunately because of this there is no experience of mine that will be useful to you because I can't reproduce them (they are subjective in nature). Is there an objective way you can convince me that you played golf with Donald Trump in your dream?

And this leaves you as the only one who could use evidence to unravel what is truth and that can be determined by a few questions to you.


1. Who really are you?
Are you really your physical body or the consciousness that lives inside your body?
2. How are you certain that at death your consciousness will be completely annihilated?

shadeyinka:

It seems you do not regard scriptural reference as adequate. And that EVIDENCE is your final authority in deciding truth from fiction. No problem!

Unfortunately because of this there is no experience of mine that will be useful to you because I can't reproduce them (they are subjective in nature). Is there an objective way you can convince me that you played golf with Donald Trump in your dream?

And this leaves you as the only one who could use evidence to unravel what is truth and that can be determined by a few questions to you.


1. Who really are you?
Are you really your physical body or the consciousness that lives inside your body?
2. How are you certain that at death your consciousness will be completely annihilated?

The issue has not nothing to do with supportive scriptural references but whether what you are talking about has any basis in reality or if there can be any other independent confirmation of humans having a soul and spirit that transcend death.

I am sure you know that there are some group of christhians who do not agree with all you have been saying and would even quote the same Bible to dispute you.

If you think you have had an experience which confirms your theory why not share it. You might be surprised that there are others who have had the same experience but do not know what to make of it.

Subjective to me, doesn't mean not true. If everyone else has also experience what you have experienced, then it is no longer subjective. But when you are the only one who have experienced it, then what can we make of it ?

If your experiences are true, it is possible that others may have experienced the same thing too but may not know or understand what it represents.

Let me be honest with you. I agree to some extent with you some of the things you have said but what I disagree with is your explanation of the difference between soul and Spirit. You don't sound like someone who has had any experience about what you're describing .

It is for this reason I want to know if you have experienced yourself as soul or spirit. You description does not agree with those who have done so.

triplechoice:


The issue has not nothing to do with supportive scriptural references but whether what you are talking about has any basis in reality or if there can be any other independent confirmation of humans having a soul and spirit that transcend death.

I am sure you know that there are some group of christhians who do not agree with all you have been saying and would even quote the same Bible to dispute you.

If you think you have had an experience which confirms your theory why not share it. You might be surprised that there are others who have had the same experience but do not know what to make of it.

Subjective to me, doesn't mean not true. If everyone else has also experience what you have experienced, then it is no longer subjective. But when you are the only one who have experienced it, then what can we make of it ?

If your experiences are true, it is possible that others may have experienced the same thing too but may not know or understand what it represents.

Let me be honest with you. I agree to some extent with you some of the things you have said but what I disagree with is your explanation of the difference between soul and Spirit. You don't sound like someone who has had any experience about what you're describing .

It is for this reason I want to know if you have experienced yourself as soul or spirit. You description does not agree with those who have done so.

My experience is my personal experience. Trust me, it doesn't add any value to you nor any skeptic. What add value to you is physical evidence. BTW even miracles cannot convince a skeptic therefore, I have offered you an objective solution to this by asking you just two questions and I wish you would not avoid/dodge answering. Even as a Christian, we are not permitted to base our faith on experience but on trust that is based on relationship with God.

Trust me, these questions when answered lead to an OBJECTIVE means of comprehending the difference between the body, soul and spirit of man. Except you actually are feigning the supremacy of physical evidence and logic to faith in God, then you can dodge the questions.

1. Who really are you?
Are you really your physical body or the consciousness that lives inside your body?
2. How are you certain that at death your consciousness will be completely annihilated?