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Re: Salvation Is Free by roqrules04(m): 11:29am On Jul 05, 2020
Salvation is free but you must buy bible
Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 11:29am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Where is the lie? Even if some do that does that mean all of them are like that?

Islam forbids racism and tribalism!
But Muhammad sold two black slaves for one non-black slave. Be deceiving yourself. Muhammad was a slave master who kept blacks as slaves

was narrated that jabir said:
"A slave came and pledged to the Prophet to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said: 'Sell him to me,' and he bought him for two black slaves. Then he did not accept the pledge from anyone until he asked: 'Is he a slave?"'
-Sunan an-Nasa'i 4184
Re: Salvation Is Free by orunto27: 11:30am On Jul 05, 2020
Salvation is Joy 'cos Christ has buried Satan.

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Re: Salvation Is Free by MrOpp(m): 11:31am On Jul 05, 2020
Like I wrote earlier, there have been misconception about God's identity for quite a long time, Jesus definition of who God is clearly show that God never commanded the Isrealite to massacre people as recorded in the old testament, for instance, God told Moses to go to Pharoad and tell Pharoad to let my people go, Moses went to Pharoad and told Pharoad that God say he should let his people go [/b]so they can sacrifice to Him in the Wilderness[b]. That wasn't the message from God.

Through Jesus we now know that many events in the old testament attributed to God wasn't actually from God.

How do you differentiate what God said and what he didn't say & what God did and what He didn't do? By knowing God's true identity, when you know God's real identity, you can easily differentiate what was God and what wasn't and can't be God.

Cheers.
AntiChristian:


What happened in those verses?

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Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 11:32am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


See lies again! Are you saying what the Hadith says?
What does the hadith say.

Muhammad says the jinn was the one commanding him, only for good things.

The "he does not command me BUT for good" the word translated as BUT is 'Illa. إلاّ [ʼillā] which means but/save/apart from/with the exception of.
Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 11:35am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


It's simply a title for Jesus. Abraham was called friend of Allah! Does that mean others are not friends of Allah?

Answer yourself. So your Allah can have a human intimate friend after all? grin

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Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 11:36am On Jul 05, 2020
advocatejare:

What does the hadith say.

Muhammad says the jinn was the one commanding him, only for good things.

The "he does not command me BUT for good" the word translated as BUT is 'Illa. إلاّ [ʼillā] which means but/save/apart from/with the exception of.


Is the Jinn same as the Angel who brings message to him? Does everyone has that Angel too?
Re: Salvation Is Free by VEXT: 11:38am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


But you didn't comment on that verse where your Lord ordered people to be killed.

No only Muslims matter u Sabi carry for head!

When you don even understand the Quran you r reading, how do you want to understand the Holy Bible.... If they were terrorism in Bible, you will have heard of their activities like Muslim terrorists brotherhood....
Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 11:39am On Jul 05, 2020
MrOpp:
Like I wrote earlier, there have been misconception about God's identity for quite a long time, Jesus definition of who God is clearly show that God never commanded the Isrealite to massacre people as recorded in the old testament, for instance, God told Moses to go to Pharoad and tell Pharoad to let my people go, Moses went to Pharoad and told Pharoad that God say he should let his people go [/b]so they can sacrifice to Him in the Wilderness[b]. That wasn't the message from God.

Through Jesus we now know that many events in the old testament attributed to God wasn't actually from God.

How do you differentiate what God said and what he didn't say & what God did and what He didn't do? By knowing God's true identity, when you know God's real identity, you can easily differentiate what was God and what wasn't and can't be God.

Cheers.

Should I believe you or the Bible?

The Bible said God told Moses, Joshua,etc to kill people, even children and women.

And you are claiming otherwise!
Re: Salvation Is Free by MrOpp(m): 11:43am On Jul 05, 2020
You choose what to believe, I have a responsibility to tell you the truth.

Cheers.

AntiChristian:


Should I believe you or the Bible?

The Bible said God told Moses, Joshua,etc to kill people, even children and women.

And you are claiming otherwise!
Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 11:46am On Jul 05, 2020
advocatejare:

But Muhammad sold two black slaves for one non-black slave. Be deceiving yourself. Muhammad was a slave master who kept blacks as slaves

was narrated that jabir said:
"A slave came and pledged to the Prophet to emigrate, and the Prophet did not realize that he was a slave. Then his master came looking for him. The Prophet said: 'Sell him to me,' and he bought him for two black slaves. Then he did not accept the pledge from anyone until he asked: 'Is he a slave?"'
-Sunan an-Nasa'i 4184

An elder doesn't chuke mouth in everything this way! Jesus and holy spirit no dey teach decorum?

Those transactions were permitted as at that time. But why can't you mention what happen to Bilaal? How Islam elevated a black man?

And didn't Yahweh discriminate between the son of a slave (Ishmael) and the son of the free born (Isaac)?

Blame Yahweh first for racism and tribalism!
And try not to run away this time.
Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 11:48am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Is the Jinn same as the Angel who brings message to him? Does everyone has that Angel too?
it's the same jinn. Only jinn torment their host like Muhammad was pinned down and suffocated thrice in the cave of Hira and that was why he snorted like a camel and wanted to commit suicide by jumping off a mountain because the demonic torment was much.

"...Would that I see revelation coming to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: Would it please you to see the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) receiving the revelations 'Umar lifted a corner of the cloth and I looked at him and he was emitting a sound of snorting. He (the narrator) said: I thought it was the sound of a camel..."
-Sahih Muslim Book 7, Hadith 2654


"Prophet (peace be upon him) became so sad as we have heard(come to know) that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down..."
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:111

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Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 11:50am On Jul 05, 2020
MrOpp:
You choose what to believe, I have a responsibility to tell you the truth.

Cheers.

See below again it was YAHWEH who ordered the killings!

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.
Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 11:53am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


An elder doesn't chuke mouth in everything this way! Jesus and holy spirit no dey teach decorum?

Those transactions were permitted as at that time. But why can't you mention what happen to Bilaal? How Islam elevated a black man?
Bilal remained a slave till Muhammad died, it was Abu Bakr that freed him after the death of Muhammad
Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 11:53am On Jul 05, 2020
advocatejare:
it's the same jinn. Only jinn torment their host like Muhammad was pinned down and suffocated thrice in the cave of Hira and that was why he snorted like a camel and wanted to commit suicide by jumping off a mountain because the demonic torment was much.

"...Would that I see revelation coming to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). He (Hadrat 'Umar) said: Would it please you to see the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) receiving the revelations 'Umar lifted a corner of the cloth and I looked at him and he was emitting a sound of snorting. He (the narrator) said: I thought it was the sound of a camel..."
-Sahih Muslim Book 7, Hadith 2654


"Prophet (peace be upon him) became so sad as we have heard(come to know) that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down..."
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:111

Continue to cherry pick and peddle lies o!
Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 11:54am On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Continue to cherry pick and peddle lies o!
That means you're saying that your authentic Ahadith are lies. My references are from your authentic sources
Re: Salvation Is Free by Nobody: 12:02pm On Jul 05, 2020
Reading of his word
Re: Salvation Is Free by RightChannel: 12:02pm On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Continue to cherry pick and peddle lies o!

You are now kicking against correct and authentic hadith of one and only messenger of allah kwo? grin
Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 12:14pm On Jul 05, 2020
advocatejare:
Bilal remained a slave till Muhammad died, it was Abu Bakr that freed him after the death of Muhammad


Subhanallah! lipsrsealed
Master liar! Continue!
Re: Salvation Is Free by AntiChristian: 12:18pm On Jul 05, 2020
RightChannel:


You are now kicking against correct and authentic hadith of one and only messenger of allah kwo? grin

Define authentic Hadith?

And who says Muhammad is the one and only messenger of Allah?

Ignorance!
Re: Salvation Is Free by IMAliyu(m): 12:21pm On Jul 05, 2020
VEXT:


Y r u pained, I hate liars.. I have southern frds who r Yoruba and happen to be a Muslim.. They know what they r passing through esp when they want to pray in mosques,..Northern Muslim's don allow southern Muslim to lead them in prayer... They describe you guys as Arne .
I don't get you here.
Most mosques already have imams from that community, so you expect them to just let anyone lead in prayer.
A Hausa man in borno doesn't lead the kanuri in prayer in their mosques, or in the southwest doesn't lead the Yoruba man in prayer, because what ever community that mosque is in get to decide who will leads them.
'Arne' in Hausa is used in two ways, the original meaning to be an outsider, not of thesame tribe or place and the other meaning is someone outside Islam. Therefore some Fulani(purists) don't give their daughters to hausa men, because to them they are Arne.
Re: Salvation Is Free by advocatejare(m): 12:26pm On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Subhanallah! lipsrsealed
Master liar! Continue!

grin You're an ignoramus. After the death of Muhammad Abu Bakr freed Bilal.

""Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.
Sahih Bukhari 5:57:98


Even despite Bilal didn't want to give the oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr because he knew his selection as the first caliph was a fraud.

"After Muhammad died in 632 AD, Bilal was one of the people who did not give bay'ah (the oath of allegiance) to Abu Bakr. It is documented that when Bilal did not give bay'ah to Abu Bakr, Umar ibn al-Khattab grabbed Bilal by his clothes and asked, "Is this the reward of Abu Bakr; he emancipated you and you are now refusing to pay allegiance to him? Bilal replied, "If Abu Bakr had emancipated me for the pleasure of Allah, then let him leave me alone for Allah; and if he had emancipated me for his service, then I am ready to render him the services required. But I am not going to pay allegiance to a person whom the Messenger of God had not appointed as his caliph."

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Re: Salvation Is Free by RightChannel: 12:32pm On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


Define authentic Hadith?

And who says Muhammad is the one and only messenger of Allah?

Ignorance!

Kai, Who did you recognise during shahada? Or you recognise Moses during ur shahada kwo? grin
Re: Salvation Is Free by Kay25(m): 12:32pm On Jul 05, 2020
AntiChristian:


The God I serve doesn't require killing his son or himself to save people.
which God is your God tell me?mine killed his son to prove his love yet he was able to raise that same son from the dead oya tell me about your own God who is timid,incapacitated to do as mine..

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Re: Salvation Is Free by IMAliyu(m): 12:37pm On Jul 05, 2020
Kay25:

which God is your God tell me?mine killed his son to prove his love yet he was able to raise that same son from the dead oya tell me about your own God who is timid,incapacitated to do as mine..
You guys still don't get that the weakest part of Christianity is the original sin and sacrifice.
The Trinity also, but this one you can easily ignore.
From an outside observer.
Re: Salvation Is Free by MrNipplesLover(m): 12:43pm On Jul 05, 2020
I dedicate this space to seun for allowing me to post in Christian thread without any condition attached, unlike when u want to post in the Islam section.


smh.

Re: Salvation Is Free by MrOpp(m): 12:50pm On Jul 05, 2020
Dear AntiChristian, knowing God and what He represents require years of painstaking study, determination, patience etc. As an accountant and finance professional, it took me 4years in the university, 4years studying with ACCA and will require an average of another 4years studying to be a CFA Charterholder, the years of study & experience prove i have relevant education, skill and experience in the accounting and finance field. This analogy also apply to knowing God. You need to painstakingly study, with patience and determination as you grow, you will have understanding of who God really represent.

Cheers
AntiChristian:

See below again it was YAHWEH who ordered the killings!

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what Christians have to say about this? Using their own criteria against them this makes their God a false violent God.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do Christians have to say to this? This is their God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.
Re: Salvation Is Free by VirginFinder: 1:07pm On Jul 05, 2020
Righteousness89:


Tithes and offering is not salvation neither does it give you Ssalvation..
Re: Salvation Is Free by VirginFinder: 1:11pm On Jul 05, 2020
Righteousness89:
It's Ttotally Ffree...
The price has been fully Ppaid on the Cross of Calvary!

Hallelujah!
JESUS Christ paid it all! The Mmoment the Madter Ccried; IT IS Ffinished! The price was paid!


Accept and Bbelieve Iin JESUS Christ! And you will be Ssaved. The Ggrace and Ppower to live for JESUS is free..

It's not by Sstruggle!
Re: Salvation Is Free by VirginFinder: 1:12pm On Jul 05, 2020
Righteousness89:


Tithes and offering is not salvation neither does it give you Ssalvation..
Re: Salvation Is Free by Kay25(m): 1:16pm On Jul 05, 2020
IMAliyu:
You guys still don't get that the weakest part of Christianity is the original sin and sacrifice.
The Trinity also, but this one you can easily ignore.
From an outside observer.
it will look like the weakest cos it's a mystery it takes a depth and the spirit of God for you to know it.you know you can't really understand what you are not into even on in a physical settings talking of spiritual things that our eyes can't behold or see.original sin that you talk of is just the disobedience of Adam in Eden after eve was tempted and I know it is in your quran.the sacrifice is the mystery we all are finding to understand cos we have been alienated from God and his spirit .when God through jesus died for us he restored us back to what we are in Eden through him even though that is not yet manifesting but will after the second coming out jesus.yet all this was to prove the love of God to us even when we disobeyed him.
Trinity is one confusion but a lot just wander in it.God is a spirit ..then he being a spirit has the capacity to create and in its creation he gave birth to a son and that son is the word and that word is God also which is what most of you get confused with..You think God should conceive in a man's way but no He is a spirit

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