bigfish3k:

That is the reality of nigeria

That is the way Yoruba and hausas have designed nigeria to be
You people have designed nigeria to be a failed country that can never rise. We cannot be fighting for the good of nigeria forever while the hausas and yorubas are against us.
We have now agreed with you people just like you did in 2015 to be voting the people that will be destroying the country
Let's destroy it together because if you can't win them you join them

Cry me river...

Azikiwe ur father first joined the hausas to fight Awolowo and western Nigeria.... Sent awolowo to jail all. Bcox Azikwe was jealous of the west

Ur fathers started it first

SE PDP are doing the right thing.
I am Yoruba and I support this decision. If they don't fight for the pdp ticket then it's obvious to the whole world they are cowards.

But if the SE wants to win, they must field a technocrat, an outsider, not all these thieving governor's, else they'll lose the elections.

igbobywedding:



Cry me river...

Azikiwe ur father first joined the hausas to fight Awolowo and western Nigeria.... Sent awolowo to jail all. Bcox Azikwe was jealous of the west

Ur fathers started it first

And igbos didn't honor azikiwe the way a Yoruba man Obasanjo honored him by putting him on N500 note and naming the airport in Abuja after him.
And you said he fought you people. What an irony. Please can you explain why you people honored him?
Anyways, we have agreed to destroy the country together

7lives:


" Igbo no dey get King " mantra is what has made nonsense of their political aspirations.
Everyone wants to lead so who will follow?.
In a diabolical set up like Nigeria you need a leader, infact an intelligent and ruthless gladiator.
Until they gather themselves under one strong leadership, sorry will continue to be their case.

You captured what I always say, how can you run down every one who has ever been a leader? When I see some Igbo friends run down their leaders from Azikiwe to Ojukwu to Okadigbo to Obi, I wonder if the Igbos can ever get the President position.

writeprof:

You captured what I always say, how can you run down every one who has ever been a leader? When I see some Igbo friends run down their leaders from Azikiwe to Ojukwu to Okadigbo to Obi, I wonder if the Igbos can ever get the President position.

The Yorubas who backed Tinubu are no fools, they already summed it up, " nitori were ita la se ni ti inu ile ".
Na because of your alsatian wey fit come make trouble for my dormot, naim make me dey maintain my rothweiler for my dormot.
Try nonsense and I'll unleash my rothweiler, omo buruku l'ojo tie.
Unfortunately, logic like this is too much for them to understand.
Just one power broker is enough to solve their political problems, I don't know how difficult it is to gather and support just one man.

Meninmen:


Lol. Bros, stop deceiving yourself. North is holding on to power. APC and PDP is zoning the presidency to the North. We in the South needs to wake up and stop deceiving ourselves. The SE or SS (less likely the SW) will get the VP slot

You guys are really cowards to give up so easily. Lol!

Nchenches:



But Nigeria’s 36 states and Abuja political structure with constitutional provision that a presidential candidate must win 25% in 24 states, only a northerner can win Nigeria’s presidential election.

Until the Yoruba and Igbo unite to have Nigeria restructured politically, only northern presidential candidates can easily win.

Lie.
1) Buhari contested twice where he had all the northern votes under CPC. Yet he lost. 2007 & 2011.
Fact - The north alone cant win by themselves, they need another regions help.

2) Jonathan won 2011 election with no single northern state. He won the whole south, excluding osun & won the whole middle belt, excluding Niger state. The margin between him & buhari wasnt even close.
Fact - It's possible to win a presidential election without northern states.

post=91497154:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit. 

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine. 

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'. 

REWIND TO 2014. 
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance. 

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did. 

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more. 

Now after election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma. 

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023? 
On what grounds? 
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone? 
Is it an appeasement or a gift? 

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested. 

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game. 

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. We heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

We really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

We have learnt not to bother ourself anymore to avoid unnecessary arguements with nonentities
As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it..

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

J.I


Only a sensible person like you can ever see sense in this.
Glad to see we still have intelligent people with a sound mind like you around.
God bless you.
God bless Nigeria.

Wow what a straightforward and truthful write up. God bless you for this my brother.

I think you should make this a thread on its own entirely.

leaculpa:

You guys are really cowards to give up so easily. Lol!

Lol. Those who are known to be genetically cowards and Betrayals are calling others cowards. In case you don't know, when the time is ripe, you will realise that majority of the SS and SE will gladly vote a Northern/SE or SS ticket than to vote a SW/Northern ticket, and which is the reason the North will hold on to power, because the entire South is divided, caused primarily by the greed and betrayal of the SW and which is why a Northern/SS or SE ticket will fly in the entire North and In the entire SS and SE, than a SW/Northern ticket

So, in 2023, when the North decides to hold on to power, you can bring you and your families out to protest!

Pa Bode George for President under PDP.

He has declared since Jan,2020 that he will contest the 2023 presidential election if Tinubu contest.

Nexus25:


SW PDP is weak and they gave more votes to Atiku than the entire SE?

It is not by noise.

We are putting our house in order and regrouping.

Before 2023, SW PDP will have more legitimate claim to the coveted seat more than their SE counterparts.

Just watch!!

Why do you assume that a SE candidate can not win in 2023?

backbone503:


Fact. The objective of any political party is to capture or retain power. Presently, the SE cannot facilitate any of these for PDP nor APC, hence it will be suicidal for any party to present a south easterner

1) Why do you strongly believe that no S/E Candidate can win presidential election in 2023?

2) If this your method of getting to the presidency is a good method for the Igbos, why do most Igbos call Yorubas unprintable names for using the same method?

Thanks for the anticipated sincere answers.

Chris525:
These south easterners are at it again, proving how bad they are at politics.

No easterner can win any election in Nigeria without federal might & the north. The idea is for pdp to present a northern candidate, knick the next election & have him hand over to a SE person after his tenure using federal might & northern appeal. Makes absolute sense!

If the SE goes against this arrangement, then another part of the south will get the slot after the northerner is done & SE are back to square one.

If PDP fields an SE candidate in the next election, it may end 3rd. Even against a SW Apc candidate, the Pdp wont stand any chance. No serious party will like to lose an election before its conducted.

Ndigbo must do away with sentiments at this time, face the hard facts & scheme intelligently.

kaylardz:
lol...this one is speaking for himself.
I trust my Ibo brothers, they dare not face a Yoruba man in general election cos the beating will be too much. meanwhile, 1,000 Atiku can never stop a Yoruba Presidency in 2023.

U are just but a small boy who knows next to nothing in politics

fairfora:
if the pdp ticket is zoned to the north this time, then there's nothing like one Nigeria anymore. The presidential candidate should come from the East and the vice from the North if truly we see ourselves as one in this country and we want to continue to cohabit. Anything less than this is selfishness. Since 1999, only their region hasn't produced either vice or president. They also have the highest number of the PDP supporters in Nigeria today. They shouldn't expect much votes from the North. They should woo the yorubas and the middle belt as Jonathan did in 2011 and whoever is picked from the east would win. The entire south south would be a work over. Afterall Jonathan's winning votes didn't come from the north in 2011. They gave their votes to baba.
My concern is the lost unity among the igbos. Until they change this narrative, they may not achieve this.

this one think president is served like plate of rice. It's a political game a u av to win

igbobywedding:



Cry me river...

Azikiwe ur father first joined the hausas to fight Awolowo and western Nigeria.... Sent awolowo to jail all. Bcox Azikwe was jealous of the west

Ur fathers started it first

So you mean that awolowo and zik fight in politics in the 1960's that didn't help Nigeria to grow up till now should be continued by me and you in this 2020. I am ashamed of you
Only a foolish person that doesn't want the country to grow will advocate for that and that is why we are still stagnant

Sedonxavi:
this one think president is served like plate of rice. It's a political game a u av to win

Which political game did Obasanjo play from prison in 1999 to become president

oyatz:
1) Why do you strongly believe that no S/E Candidate can win presidential election in 2023?

2) If this your method of getting to the presidency is a good method for the Igbos, why do most Igbos call Yorubas unprintable names for using the same method?

Thanks for the anticipated sincere answers.

1.I think we can't win because we don't have a free and fair electoral system. The yorubas and the hausas will use federal might to rig an igbo man out, that's why they are against electronic voting.
2.We call yorubas unprintable names because they didn't need to do what they did in 2015 because they have had their share through OBJ.
All they needed do is to support the other two southern regions to complete their turns the way those regions supported Obasanjo. But no, you people are demonizing us and insisting on using our turn. Your greed is too much and annoying

Meninmen:


Lol. Those who are known to be genetically cowards and Betrayals are calling others cowards. In case you don't know, when the time is ripe, you will realise that majority of the SS and SE will gladly vote a Northern/SE or SS ticket than to vote a SW/Northern ticket, and which is the reason the North will hold on to power, because the entire South is divided, caused primarily by the greed and betrayal of the SW and which is why a Northern/SS or SE ticket will fly in the entire North and In the entire SS and SE, than a SW/Northern ticket

So, in 2023, when the North decides to hold on to power, you can bring you and your families out to protest!

My dear it's the Afonjas that divided the south because of greed . SE and SS are together.
SW is the missen link and betrayals

oyatz:
Why do you assume that a SE candidate can not win in 2023?

For now, politically, none (maybe except Orji Uzor Kalu) has what it takes. It will be too big a risk for any party to present an unpopular candidate.

backbone503:


SW stands a far better chance than SE. And in the SS, we don't vote based on petty emotions; we do based on the protection of our collective interest. Politically, the SE still remains the only toddler in Nigeria.

Collective interest /selfishness that has made the whole of nigeria to be crying since 2015 including your people.
So where then lies the advantages of collective interest where majority of your people are crying of hunger

PigTormentor:


Dummy, go back all the way to Zik and read the history of how your people have been running to the Northerners from the first Republic. Then the second republic, Yorubas voted for Awolowo while you voted for NPN.
I beg go and read history then come back to apologize.
A lot of you are clueless on your true history but come on NL and post rubbish.

So that history that underdeveloped nigeria should continue

Nexus25:


https://www.sunnewsonline.com/2023-seast-pdp-rejects-zoning-presidential-ticket-to-north/

Good.

Tareq1105:


No party, with national outlook, in this country will take the risk of giving his presidential ticket to South East.

We shall see how Atiku and his igbo loyalist will handle this.

Atiku is interested, Tambuwal in conjunction with Wike is eyeing it, and Kwakwaso too is reaching out. I'm not aware of anyone in the East that has indicated interest.

We shall see how Wike will rubbish his igbo friends.

It's going to be a hard time for South East and PDP.

Head or tail, South East would not get anything bcoz if North eventually produce the President, Lion Wike, who they are use to hailing, will hijack the Vice President. Mark it.

Yorubas are just hell bent on de-marketing igbos.
OBJ was gifted the president from prison even when PDP was weak in the SW we supported you people.
Its just like we are three doing contributions where we take turns to carry from the pool money every month
SE has supported SS and SW to take their turns
SS is willing to support SE to realize it's turn
SW is not willing, instead it is claiming smart, sophistication and running the SE down on how they don't have the capacity to hold money but them.
What a greedy people
There is no difference between your behavior and Hushpuppi

Charmingrascal:



With the kind of sore relationship South
East is building with other regions (all thanks to Nnamdi Kanu and his hate speech enabler) do you think other regions will vote for an Igbo candidate?

Sincere Igbos know the truth, Kanu has further damaged the relationship btw Igbos and other tribes with his unending hate speech and name calling which he sees a normal thing.


I repeat, no political party will risk giving its Presidential ticket to an Igbo person.


1. Considering the South East population and political naivety

2. The level at which Igbos hate other tribes won't make them get support outside South East (a bitter truth)

3. I can assure you that a South Southerner will get more support than any South Eastern candidate.

Yoruba de-marketing strategy

akdjr:
Get your calculation right. APC cannot zone presidential ticket to the East cos you can't reap where u didn't sow. How many Governor from the East are APC? Except if you taking about Southwest then you have a point in ur zoning calculation.quote author=Haywhysat post=91496405]It is very logical... Only fools will believe a region (North) will rule for 16 years.... Both APC and PDP will zone their tickets to South cum 2023.....

This your "you can't reap where you did not sow" slogan is what you yorubas used to divide the south the way it is today by using it to deny igbos any top position in this government.
Going by your logic
In 2015, how many northern governors were of APC before you voted PMB

PDP shud be thrown in the hand of the igbos...
Moreover there is no competent igbo in politics..

And it is not given, u take it by force


Learn politics my bro... It is not emotion..

Southeast is not even worth 5 states it shud be merge into one state

Always willing to hate on the igbos. We are not the ones that captured ilorin from you people

1. Election is a game of numbers. Its about voting pattern & alliance. In 2023, APC will mostly likely go SW as a payback for its strong support in 2015&19. With Federal might & PMB's endorsement, the North will vote APC & the SW will turn out for their own. What does a SE PDP candidate have to counter that?

2. Igbo call yorubas names because they suck at politics. The SW have schemed for 2 elections now its their turn to reap, only question is who? They had to wait 2 terms & put in the work but Ndigbo want it just because they've never had it but no free gift in politics. Moreso, its not enough to have an igbo man on the ballot in 2023, will he win

oyatz:
1) Why do you strongly believe that no S/E Candidate can win presidential election in 2023?

2) If this your method of getting to the presidency is a good method for the Igbos, why do most Igbos call Yorubas unprintable names for using the same method?

Thanks for the anticipated sincere answers.

bigfish3k:

Collective interest /selfishness that has made the whole of nigeria to be crying since 2015 including your people.
So where then lies the advantages of collective interest where majority of your people are crying of hunger

See, Nigeria is a very strange and heterogeneous contraption, so dump that you One Nigeria/collective interest crap. The earlier you integrate the every man/state/region for himself, the better for you.

Which Hausa or Fulani man care about you or any southerner.

Chris525:

1. Election is a game of numbers. Its about voting pattern & alliance. In 2023, APC will mostly likely go SW as a payback for its strong support in 2015&19. With Federal might & PMB's endorsement, the North will vote APC & the SW will turn out for their own. What does a SE PDP candidate have to counter that?

2. Igbo call yorubas names because they suck at politics. The SW have schemed for 2 elections now its their turn to reap, only question is who? They had to wait 2 terms & put in the work but Ndigbo want it just because they've never had it but no free gift in politics. Moreso, its not enough to have an igbo man on the ballot in 2023, will he win

If PDP presents Atiku/Obi and APC presents anyone from SW/North, PDP will surely win. Atiku will bring in millions of vote from the North, SE is a PDP banker, and SS and SW will be split (60/40).

GuyWise101:
Igbos are only demanding that PDP and Apc should zone their candidate in SE alone as it was done to Yorubas and North when it was their turn.

so who's going to give them so u taught APC will give it to SE, within d PDP caucus they are not even strong. PDP won't give it to d Igbo they have to take d VP slot just to be relevant. they know how to play the second fiddle

You're right except that SS is the only PDP banker as of today. All 6 states as of today are PDP & are all pulling in one direction. No unneccesary frolicking with Abuja/APC.

Infact they & the Atiku bloc have been financing the party. You see how Obaseki visited all of them before he decamped? They are very influencial in PDP than SE.

However, the PDP is commited to the SE presidency after Atiku but if the SE dont shape up & fall in line, the SS will grab that slot without remorse. SS are watching & are very good at the game. They work with anyone who appeals to their interest, unlike SE they dont just sit whine & complain. APC chairmanship is virtually theirs. Their bloc in APC is more formidable than anything the SE having going on there.

backbone503:


If PDP presents Atiku/Obi and APC presents anyone from SW/North, PDP will surely win. Atiku will bring in millions of vote from the North, SE is a PDP banker, and SS and SW will be split (60/40).

bigfish3k:

Yorubas are just hell bent on de-marketing igbos.
OBJ was gifted the president from prison even when PDP was weak in the SW we supported you people.
Its just like we are three doing contributions where we take turns to carry from the pool money every month
SE has supported SS and SW to take their turns
SS is willing to support SE to realize it's turn
SW is not willing, instead it is claiming smart, sophistication and running the SE down on how they don't have the capacity to hold money but them.
What a greedy people
There is no difference between your behavior and Hushpuppi

You support who?, did Yorubas support OBJ?.
We saw how a senator elect from SE was busy rigging election live on CNN, in favour of Obasanjo, against Olu Falae.
Not only the senator, there are others too, Igbos have no shame, if una get shame, una for no dey whine about how una help Yoruba.
You people vote and rigged an emotional election like that in favour of a man that was hated by his people, because of his stance on June 12, that was borne out of his envy for MKO and you think Yorubas should thank you for that are you people alright?.
Did you people see any wild jubilation in the SW when OBJ was declared the winner?.
The man you people voted for is still alive, go and send him to the Yorubas, let him come and tell us to pay for what we did not buy.