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I think this can really help in the lingering supremacy tussle between tribes

How did you know it's the same thing?
Where is what you're comparing it with?
Do you know it's origin?

That sword is not exclusive to the Benin. A lot of places in Yoruba land, most especially Ondo State make use of it as well. So nothing special about it.

WinLABSnStores:
How did you know it's the same thing?
Where is what you're comparing it with?
Do you know it's origin?

Don’t mind him. They’ve come to fan their supremacy propaganda as usual.

Etrusen:
I think this can really help in the lingering supremacy tussle between tribes

There's no supremacy tussle between the edos and yorubas. We live very well together.

This is also used in ondo owo I could remember my grandpa usually told me that her mother was a princess in Benin and they spoke yoruba and that the oba of Benin was a linage of oduduwa and that Benin is a colossal of yoruba nation but the truth is bitter , and I want everyone to know that history can be fabricated to please those who wants to hear it the way they wants , it is true I could meet the whites but remember when this history is been written you and I are not there so anybody will tell a tale that sweet their hear .

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Coded2:
This is also used in ondo owo I could remember my grandpa usually told me that her mother was a princess in Benin and they spoke yoruba and that the oba of Benin was a linage of oduduwa and that Benin is a colossal of yoruba nation but the truth is bitter , and I want everyone to know that history can be fabricated to please those who wants to hear it the way they wants , it is true I could meet the whites but remember when this history is been written you and I are not there so anybody will tell a tale that sweet their hear .

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RichDad1:
That sword is not exclusive to the Benin. A lot of places in Yoruba land, most especially Ondo State make use of it as well. So nothing special about it.

Oga is that how picture things? Ondo was under Benin rule for years not to talk about Ekiti. it is only Owo that did a peaceful trade with Benin in different items. The sword is older than the Oba system of monarchy in Benin because it was created by the first dynasty of Ogisos during the reign of Ogiso Ere whom was the second Ogiso after Igodo. so Mr man if you say nothing is special about the sword in your land that's not a problem to me but it's special to all Edo's. My point is that Ondo and Ekiti was undeniably influenced by Benin empire so their king could have been given the sword after their installation e.g the Deji of Akure by Benin empire but that's not the same with the Ooni who is in Ife.

please don't argue blindly make your point known even with facts.

Coded2:
This is also used in ondo owo I could remember my grandpa usually told me that her mother was a princess in Benin and they spoke yoruba and that the oba of Benin was a linage of oduduwa and that Benin is a colossal of yoruba nation but the truth is bitter , and I want everyone to know that history can be fabricated to please those who wants to hear it the way they wants , it is true I could meet the whites but remember when this history is been written you and I are not there so anybody will tell a tale that sweet their hear .

Mr man check your history very well or better still ask your elders Ondo was undeniably under Benin influence. please get your facts and come tell me

any way could it have been the Ooni paid a visit to Ondo or Ekiti axis because these where the areas that were mostly influenced by Benin empire. I don't make jest of anybody I just want us to review properly

Etrusen:
I think this can really help in the lingering supremacy tussle between tribes

Thesame reasons their kings started calling themselves oba after 1930

Which they changed from sir to oba...

There is no tussle bro stop generating more issues the benin-ife was a diplomatic move to integrate both tribe it was never historical

gregyboy:



Thesame reasons their kings started calling themselves oba after 1930

Which they changed from sir to oba...

There is no tussle bro stop generating more issues the benin-ife was a diplomatic move to integrate both tribe it was never historical

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Etrusen:


Mr man check your history very well or better still ask your elders Ondo was undeniably under Benin influence. please get your facts and come tell me

Cool down!!


Ooni is the one in the Center.


Photo: Yoruba Obas 1937.


From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

Christistruth00:



Cool down!!


Ooni is the one in the Center.


Photo: Yoruba Obas 1937.


From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

please what are u driving to does this relate to Benin influence on ondo and Ekiti or you just want us to discuss this as a sub sub topic.

Etrusen:



please what are u driving to does this relate to Benin influence on ondo and Ekiti or you just want us to discuss this as a sub sub topic.

http://www.osundefender.com/investigation-oba-benin-visited-ile-ife-collect-sacred-sword

Ooni of Ife gave Oba of Benin his Ceremonial Sword !!!

The Ceremonial Sword is from Ile- Ife

.That is what this thread is all about.

Christistruth00:


http://www.osundefender.com/investigation-oba-benin-visited-ile-ife-collect-sacred-sword

Ooni of Ife gave Oba of Benin his Ceremonial Sword

my brother na why on earth will u choose to bring up what you don't understand.
those two sword with different shape in Benin is as old as the first dynasty of Ogiso of igodo and the sword was created by the second ogiso Ere
so what ceremonial sword are you talking about because seriously I don't get you.

it shows your post was an investigation please do properly �

but you see those sword they old than the Oba dynasty

Etrusen:



my brother na why on earth will u choose to bring up what you don't understand.
those two sword with different shape in Benin is as old as the first dynasty of Ogiso of igodo and the sword was created by the second ogiso Ere
so what ceremonial sword are you talking about because seriously I don't get you.

it shows your post was an investigation please do properly �

but you see those sword they old than the Oba dynasty

If tend to argue myth dey will beat at it bro,

Because their history is centered around myth too,

Am watching how you will pull through if indeed you're correct on the ogiso shit

gregyboy:



If tend to argue myth dey will beat at it bro,

Because their history is centered around myth too,

Am watching how you will pull through if indeed you're correct on the ogiso shit

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I re vbin u ta oten mwen u wa.

It's just a ward sword.....every tribe that has ever fought war pre-gun era has one. They may look different but Bini made eben popular. Anogu masquerades in my town carry something similar during uzo iyi festival

Omanambala:
It's just a ward sword.....every tribe that has ever fought war pre-gun era has one. They may look different but Bini made eben popular. Anogu masquerades in my town carry something similar during uzo iyi festival

so are you trying to say the Ada and Eben having the same shape fell from the sky to every tribes ����

Omanambala:
It's just a ward sword.....every tribe that has ever fought war pre-gun era has one. They may look different but Bini made eben popular. Anogu masquerades in my town carry something similar during uzo iyi festival

but please I need your help in locating the town Anogu masquerade are form��

And who told you that is peculiar to Edos or that is the same thing??

Yorubas and Edos share alot of cultural exchanges and similarities so is no surprise to see other ethnic groups using a similar sword

Part 1: One of the lines in Benin Kings’ praise poetry goes as follows:

Ovbi’ Ada, Ovbi’ Eben — meaning: the son of the owner of the Ada and Eben.

Inherent within this praise poetry is the fact that Benin kings do not claim to be the owners of these symbols, but rather the son of the owner.

Furthermore, another line in the praise poetry of the Benin kings goes as follows:

Abieyuwa n’Ovbi’ Oodua n’Uhe — the son of the wealthy Oodua of Ife.

From these two lines alone found within this Benin Kings’ praise poetry, it becomes obvious who the owners of the symbols are.

By the way, the use of ceremonial swords as part of the official emblems of office in Yoruba kingdoms are very wide spread throughout Yorubaland.

I can recall off the top of my head certain remote Yoruba kingdoms that have absolutely nothing to do with Benin historical where these symbols are part of the emblems by virtue of their Ife origin.

But a prime example is the Oyo kingdom where the original sword of office (called Ida Oranmiyan) must be returned to Ife for reconsecration as part of the rites for an incoming Alaafin. The same applies to the Omo n’Oba as someone as rightly pointed out here.

Part 2: Bini traditions admit that these symbols were introduced to ‘Benin’ during the reign of the second Ogiso — Ogiso Ere.

But most folks aren’t patient enough to care about what the same traditional Benin accounts have to say about the historical identity of the early Ogisos.

In relation to this, the world’s leading historian of ancient Benin, Dmitri M. Bondarenko informs based on received extant Benin traditions as follows:

“The third Ogiso became the last in their Yoruba, Ife line. He returned to Ife but by that time the very institution of the supreme suprachiefdom ruler had already been established firmly enough in Benin, disregarding its outside origin and correspondence to the level of sociopolitical organization, not achieved by the Bini yet.” ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, “The Benin Kingdom (13 – 19 Centuries)as a Megacommunity”, September 2015, p.54.

In other words, the earliest three Ogisos — according to extant ‘Benin’ accounts — were actually emissaries of the Ife rulers from the Yoruba country on a mission to introduce monarchy to ‘Benin’ just as they were doing in the Yoruba country and in some other parts of the Guinea forest in general.

Cheers!

RamessesIV:
And who told you that is peculiar to Edos or that is the same thing??

Yorubas and Edos share alot of cultural exchanges and similarities so is no surprise to see other ethnic groups using a similar sword

Yoruba from which state please.

If you don't know that Yorubas and edos share cultural and historical links in 2020 then sorry for you

Etrusen:



Yoruba from which state please.

TAO11:
Part 1: One of the lines in Benin Kings’ praise poetry goes as follows:

Ovbi’ Ada, Ovbi’ Eben — meaning: the son of the owner of the Ada and Eben.

Inherent within this praise poetry is the fact that Benin kings do not claim to be the owners of these symbols, but rather the son of the owner.

Furthermore, another line in the praise poetry of the Benin kings goes as follows:

Abieyuwa n’Ovbi’ Oodua n’Uhe — the son of the wealthy Oodua of Ife.

From these two lines alone found within this Benin Kings’ praise poetry, it becomes obvious who the owners of the symbols are.

By the way, the use of ceremonial swords as part of the official emblems of office in Yoruba kingdoms are very wide spread throughout Yorubaland.

I can recall off the top of my head certain remote Yoruba kingdoms that have absolutely nothing to do with Benin historical where these symbols are part of the emblems by virtue of their Ife origin.

But a prime example is the Oyo kingdom where the original sword of office (called Ida Oranmiyan) must be returned to Ife for reconsecration as part of the rites for an incoming Alaafin. The same applies to the Omo n’Oba as someone as rightly pointed out here.

Part 2: Bini traditions admit that these symbols were introduced to ‘Benin’ during the reign of the second Ogiso — Ogiso Ere.

But most folks aren’t patient enough to care about what the same traditional Benin accounts have to say about the historical identity of the early Ogisos.

In relation to this, the world’s leading historian of ancient Benin, Dmitri M. Bondarenko informs based on received extant Benin traditions as follows:

“The third Ogiso became the last in their Yoruba, Ife line. He returned to Ife but by that time the very institution of the supreme suprachiefdom ruler had already been established firmly enough in Benin, disregarding its outside origin and correspondence to the level of sociopolitical organization, not achieved by the Bini yet.” ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, “The Benin Kingdom (13 – 19 Centuries)as a Megacommunity”, September 2015, p.54.

In other words, the earliest three Ogisos — according to extant ‘Benin’ accounts — were actually emissaries of the Ife rulers from the Yoruba country on a mission to introduce monarchy to ‘Benin’ just as they were doing in the Yoruba country and in some other parts of the Guinea forest in general.

Cheers!

Kare, omo Olofin.

TAO11:
Part 1: One of the lines in Benin Kings’ praise poetry goes as follows:

Ovbi’ Ada, Ovbi’ Eben — meaning: the son of the owner of the Ada and Eben.

Inherent within this praise poetry is the fact that Benin kings do not claim to be the owners of these symbols, but rather the son of the owner.

Furthermore, another line in the praise poetry of the Benin kings goes as follows:

Abieyuwa n’Ovbi’ Oodua n’Uhe — the son of the wealthy Oodua of Ife.

From these two lines alone found within this Benin Kings’ praise poetry, it becomes obvious who the owners of the symbols are.

By the way, the use of ceremonial swords as part of the official emblems of office in Yoruba kingdoms are very wide spread throughout Yorubaland.

I can recall off the top of my head certain remote Yoruba kingdoms that have absolutely nothing to do with Benin historical where these symbols are part of the emblems by virtue of their Ife origin.

But a prime example is the Oyo kingdom where the original sword of office (called Ida Oranmiyan) must be returned to Ife for reconsecration as part of the rites for an incoming Alaafin. The same applies to the Omo n’Oba as someone as rightly pointed out here.

Part 2: Bini traditions admit that these symbols were introduced to ‘Benin’ during the reign of the second Ogiso — Ogiso Ere.

But most folks aren’t patient enough to care about what the same traditional Benin accounts have to say about the historical identity of the early Ogisos.

In relation to this, the world’s leading historian of ancient Benin, Dmitri M. Bondarenko informs based on received extant Benin traditions as follows:

“The third Ogiso became the last in their Yoruba, Ife line. He returned to Ife but by that time the very institution of the supreme suprachiefdom ruler had already been established firmly enough in Benin, disregarding its outside origin and correspondence to the level of sociopolitical organization, not achieved by the Bini yet.” ~ Dmitri M. Bondarenko, “The Benin Kingdom (13 – 19 Centuries)as a Megacommunity”, September 2015, p.54.

In other words, the earliest three Ogisos — according to extant ‘Benin’ accounts — were actually emissaries of the Ife rulers from the Yoruba country on a mission to introduce monarchy to ‘Benin’ just as they were doing in the Yoruba country and in some other parts of the Guinea forest in general.

Cheers!

TAO11 ! Your research is 1st Class!

Those revisionists will now have to look for a new set of lies to to cook up.

sesan85:

Kare, omo Olofin.

Thank you sire.

Christistruth00:
TAO11 ! Your research is 1st Class!

Those revisionists will now have to look for a new set of lies to to cook up.

Thank you sire.

Etrusen:
Mr man check your history very well or better still ask your elders Ondo was undeniably under Benin influence. please get your facts and come tell me

The bolded here is grossly inaccurate and misleading.

I have once educated a Bini boy who raised a similar point when he asked: ”Bros was akure not under Benin rulership for 100s of years ??”

And my reply to him was as follows and I quote here:

“Short answer: No, it wasnt at any time.

Long answer: Many early writings containing statements to the effect that Benin was suzerain over some eastern and southern fronteir Yoruba Kindoms are actually statements emanating originally from Benin [itself].

Such statements are not corroborated by the accounts of these Yoruba kingdoms themselves. Rather, these statements are contradicted by their own account of the relationship they had with Benin.

In the 1600s, Olfert Dapper was the first to document such statements emanating from Benin based on the reports of travelers to Benin because he himself wasn't even an eyewitness to the events — he never left Europe throughout his life.

However, J. Barbot used Olfert Dapper’s materials (without acknowledgement) to further such statements — he in fact added his own made-up details in the course of the borrowing.

Moreover, H.L. Gallwey writing (also) from Benin similarly documented statements to the effect that Benin owned all lands even up to around the Lokoja area.

In fact, many modern day Bini people still strongly believe in the obviously deluded idea that their Oba owned all lands even up to Europe. So, one can only imagine what the thinking must have been in the distant past.

Having said that and to balance this out actually, the said eastern and southern frontier Yoruba kingdoms and the Benin Kingdom itself both mutually consider each other to be one band of brothers from Ife, and as such didn't by default see each other as enemies.

The veteran Bini traders of old had the practice of settling down even in distant lands from home and establishing resident trading communities abraod.

These Bini resident trading communities often remit tributes (from trade gain) back home to their king through their leaders known as "Olotu Ado", or "Olotu Ekiran", or, in bigger towns, "Balekale".

On the whole then, conflicts between these kingdoms appear in the basic context of trade as opposed to imperial ascendancy in the context of which it has usually been often misrepresented based on the exaggerations from the Benin side.

No doubt, the Benin kingdom appears to be the militarily stronger Yoruba-allied kingdom in the eastern Yoruba axis.

Other Yoruba kingdoms in the axis may then have, for this particular reason, acknowledged its seniority with gifts as is often the custom even among other Yoruba kingdoms in the Yoruba interior.

But to be historically correct, imperial rule and domination was clearly out of the question considering the historical accounts of these other Yoruba kingdoms too.

The only instance when similar account from the Benin side has been unequivocally corroborated by the account of the Yoruba subgroup is among the Itsekiri-Yoruba-subgroup.

And even in this case it wasn’t through violence but through a mutual acknowledgement of their respective Yoruba roots.

cc: Coded2

Etrusen:
any way could it have been the Ooni paid a visit to Ondo or Ekiti axis because these where the areas that were mostly influenced by Benin empire. I don't make jest of anybody I just want us to review properly

Lol @ the bolded.

No, that is Ile-Ife the source of the official royal emblems of Yoruba and Benin kingdom kings.

In fact, the images up there are from the coronation of the Ijebu icon Sir Kessington Adebutu as the Odole Oodua at Ile-Ife.

Issuing those emblems for monarchs and high-ranking traditional Ife chiefs are standard practices. Social media age be making you all think otherwise.

The attached screenshots below should give some context.

Modified:

Promised screenshots are found at link:

https://www.nairaland.com/6013716/why-does-ooni-ife-make/1#93956054