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When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by MistadeRegal(m): 6:25pm On Aug 01, 2020
Some preachers today have made it a norm that a convert and believer do not need to turn from his/her wicked ways as converts or as believers. And that also they do not need to keep the commandments of JESUS CHRIST.

In this doctrine, the act of repentance is hereby rendered invalid contrary to what our LORD JESUS CHRIST preached when He began His ministry. For according to the Holy Bible, His first words were:

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

If we are now taught no need to turn a new leaf, neglecting of our old ways and life of while we are not yet converted, but to continue in the wickedness we once were, what then is the essence of repentance?

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Some of these preachers preach grace indeed with the doctrines of the apostle Paul, but how many of them indeed live the lifestyle of the apostle Paul? Paul was once a threat to the body of CHRIST JESUS,

But after his conversion, did Paul continue to breath threat to the same body of CHRIST? Did he continue perpetrating evil and wickedness he once did to believers? Did he retain his old ways or turned a new leaf?

Now, since Paul didn't remain in his old ways despite preaching grace, you should know he genuinely repented and let go of his previous lifestyle, genuinely converted and became a true born again.

Here is why it is written that the condemnation that is still standing is not for them who are in CHRIST JESUS and walking after the Spirit but it stands against those who walk after the flesh while claiming to be converts!

Romans 8:1, 5 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

And further stated that:

Romans 8:6-8 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

If then the carnal mind, which is walking in the flesh be death and enmity with GOD, why then should we be encouraged to walk therein while we deceive ourselves that we are converts when we are not?

For in grace, the following was written unto all converts and believers, followers and disciples of our LORD JESUS CHRIST, that there may be true repentance and difference between a convert, believer and unbeliever:

Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

When you were once in darkness, when you have not yet had the light of JESUS CHRIST in you, you engage in these things. But as a convert and believer, it is time to let go of them all.

So as now to walk in the Spirit of the liberty of GOD, as the HOLY SPIRIT now directs you to know things He hates (Ephesians 5:3-8, Galatians 5:19-21).
And things He wants which are the fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23)

For against the fruits of the Spirit there is no law exercised because they are already above the law as the works of the Spirit are justified and acceptable before GOD and all men, even though it be hated by some men.

Galatians 5:16,24-25 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by fykes(m): 6:47pm On Aug 01, 2020
Why u speak against blashphemy, be sure u are not committing one.

The burden if proof is on u to substantiate ur first statement with proves of such preachers... Even the Bible said that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every argument is settled.

I have never heard of such teachings or preachers and for credibility sake, u MUST elucidiate with quotes or even videos.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 6:54pm On Aug 01, 2020
fykes:
Why u speak against blashphemy, be sure u are not committing one.

The burden if proof is on u to substantiate ur first statement with proves of such preachers... Even the Bible said that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every argument is settled.

I have never heard of such teachings or preachers and for credibility sake, u MUST elucidiate with quotes or even videos.
What 'blasphemous' statement do you refer to in the OPs statement above? undecided
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Missyajoke(f): 7:58pm On Aug 01, 2020
fykes:
Why u speak against blashphemy, be sure u are not committing one.

The burden if proof is on u to substantiate ur first statement with proves of such preachers... Even the Bible said that in the mouth of two or three witnesses, every argument is settled.

I have never heard of such teachings or preachers and for credibility sake, u MUST elucidiate with quotes or even videos.

What's blasphemous about what the op said. So it's until he posts video and others before you believe abii
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by fykes(m): 8:40pm On Aug 01, 2020
Kobojunkie:
What 'blasphemous' statement do you refer to in the OPs statement above? undecided
If u don't find his opening sentence as an accusation to the fact that people are preaching heresay, and if heresay isn't blasphemy to you, u are d problem.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 8:48pm On Aug 01, 2020
fykes:

If u don't find his opening sentence as an accusation to the fact that people are preaching heresay, and if heresay isn't blasphemy to you, u are d problem.
It is not hearsay but the truth. Jesus Christ warned against the doctrines and traditions of men, teachings that differ in any way or form from what Jesus Christ Himself taught His followers to follower.

The very foundation of the churches you have today were built atop of doctrines upon doctrines and traditions, lies in the name of God.

Jesus Christ warned that He and only He is to teach His flock but instead power hungry men decided to create do themselves kingdoms in the name of Christ and that tradition continues to this day..
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 9:34pm On Aug 01, 2020
Nobody is using grace to encourage people to continue to sin. Its just that so many don't understand how these things work.

Now, when you get born again and repent of your past sins, living holy is not going to be automatic which is where grace comes in as you'll still be struggling with some sin but grace covers you and doesn't condemn you. That is why we have the Holy spirit also doing the sanctification process whereby we drop those old habits under grace till we finally overcome sin. So its not automatic and that doesn't make you a sinner.

Now, you'll discover over time sins you normally struggle with, will begin to irritate you, then you know the Holy spirit has successfully dealt with that then he moves on and on like that till we become spotless and presentable unto our maker at the last days.

So I think why the preaching looks like they "encouraging" sin and making repentance "invalid" is so they dont chase the new convert away by judging them with their short comings while the Holy is still working on them.

Dont get it twisted, OP.
Everyone must pass through the rise and fall stage while undergoing sanctification and later stand Holy and spotless before our Lord comes for us.

Shalom.

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Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by loadedvibes: 6:21am On Aug 02, 2020
such long epistle, anyway come buy your kids educational tablets
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 4:19pm On Aug 02, 2020
Brachaa:
Nobody is using grace to encourage people to continue to sin. Its just that so many don't understand how these things work.

Now, when you get born again and repent of your past sins, living holy is not going to be automatic which is where grace comes in as you'll still be struggling with some sin but grace covers you and doesn't condemn you. That is why we have the Holy spirit also doing the sanctification process whereby we drop those old habits under grace till we finally overcome sin. So its not automatic and that doesn't make you a sinner.

Now, you'll discover over time sins you normally struggle with, will begin to irritate you, then you know the Holy spirit has successfully dealt with that then he moves on and on like that till we become spotless and presentable unto our maker at the last days.

So I think why the preaching looks like they "encouraging" sin and making repentance "invalid" is so they dont chase the new convert away by judging them with their short comings while the Holy is still working on them.

Dont get it twisted, OP.
Everyone must pass through the rise and fall stage while undergoing sanctification and later stand Holy and spotless before our Lord comes for us.

Shalom.
Jesus Christ, the way the truth and life never preached about grace, not did He suggest it a helper of any sort. He, the truth of God was clear on what needs to be done to become His. So this alternate route that is grace is not Jesus Christ but another way.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 6:01pm On Aug 02, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ, the way the truth and life never preached about grace, not did He suggest it a helper of any sort. He, the truth of God was clear on what needs to be done to become His. So this alternate route that is grace is not Jesus Christ but another way.

Paul preached Grace so??.. The sacrifice of Jesus brought grace hence the reason for living by it. Kobojunkie! tongue
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 6:15pm On Aug 02, 2020
Brachaa:


Paul preached Grace so??.. The sacrifice of Jesus brought grace hence the reason for living by it. Kobojunkie! tongue
Paul was a mere man. Jesus Christ is the way that we are to follow and His word is the truth of God. So since the way never taught us of a way through grace, why believe that it is indeed a way around what Jesus Christ taught us?

He said He is the only teacher to all those who are His followers. Suggestung His truth CHANGED after His death is preaching a gospel that is different from what Jesus Christ taught while He was with us.

Also if Grace came to save after His death, why did Jesus Christ not speak of this when He was resurrected?
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 6:25pm On Aug 02, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Paul was a mere man. Jesus Christ is the way that we are to follow and His word is the truth of God. So since the way never taught us of a way through grace, why believe that it is indeed a way around what Jesus Christ taught us?

He said He is the only teacher to all those who are His followers. Suggestung His truth CHANGED after His death is preaching a gospel that is different from what Jesus Christ taught while He was with us.

Also if Grace came to save after His death, why did Jesus Christ not speak of this when He was resurrected?

Kobojunkie... Jesus didn't need to start saying it again because its what his salvation brought to mankind therefore he expects us to begin to enjoy it.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 7:04pm On Aug 02, 2020
Brachaa:


Kobojunkie... Jesus didn't need to start saying it again because its what his salvation brought to mankind therefore he expects us to begin to enjoy it.


The Gospel of John says that for the Law was given to Moses but grace and truth came THROUGH Jesus Christ. What we know that came through, not after, Jesus Christ is the New Covenant, and eternal life both of which ARE Jesus Christ...meaning Grace a preached in the Bible in fact refers to the New Covenant which is Jesus Christ(the way) that Jesus Christ taught while He lived...John 1 vs 17.

However, according to you, this grace you speak of came only after his death, a way different from the grace that John spoke of in His talk about grace, and different from that which is presented by the apostles of Jesus Christ, so you see how I would have a problem with it cause this assumption that there is a second way has no reality what so ever in the Bible.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 10:02pm On Aug 02, 2020
Kobojunkie:


The Gospel of John says that for the Law was given to Moses but grace and truth came THROUGH Jesus Christ. What we know that came through, not after, Jesus Christ is the New Covenant, and eternal life both of which ARE Jesus Christ...meaning Grace a preached in the Bible in fact refers to the New Covenant which is Jesus Christ(the way) that Jesus Christ taught while He lived...John 1 vs 17.

However, according to you, this grace you speak of came only after his death, a way different from the grace that John spoke of in His talk about grace, and different from that which is presented by the apostles of Jesus Christ, so you see how I would have a problem with it cause this assumption that there is a second way has no reality what so ever in the Bible.

Yes Sir.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 4:07am On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:
Yes Sir.
I wish you would see that the doctrine of Salvation by grace of God as taught by men is not the same as the gospel that Jesus Christ taught, and it is certainly not the same Grace that the apostles John, James, Jude, and Peter referred to. Paul also referred to the Grace that John referred to but I will stay away from declaring that at this time because most champions of the doctrine of Salvation through the grace of God tend to be Paulians. So I stay away from that and focus wholly on what Jesus Christ said because after all He is our one and only teacher.

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
According to John the apostle, in the gospel of John, He describes Jesus Christ Himself as being full of grace and Truth. And you have seen me say it several times that Jesus Christ is the New Covenant which He, Jesus Christ, commands that we Obey. The same John, in the passage below then goes on to put side-by-side the old and the new Covenants, implying the the Old Covenant was given us by Moses, while the new Covenant(the grace and truth) came through Jesus Christ.

John 1 vs 14-24
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14. The Word became a man and lived among us. We saw his divine greatness—the greatness that belongs to the only Son of the Father. The Word was full of grace and truth.
15. John told people about him. He said loudly, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘The one who is coming after me is greater than I am, because he was living before I was even born.’”

16. Yes, the Word was full of grace and truth, and from him we all received one blessing after another.[d]
17. That is, the law was given to us through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18. No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father.[e]
So, in all, we know that not only did the New Covenant(grace and truth) came through Jesus Christ( in verse 17 above), the New Covenant is Jesus Christ(full of grace and truth).

This is what grace refers to when approached from the way it is written in the Gospels, and the very same said that if we love Him(Jesus Christ who is the grace and truth we are given) we ought to obey Him(the grace and truth that we have through Jesus Christ).


1 John 2 vs 3-6
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3. If we obey what God has told us to do, then we are sure that we know him.
4. If we say we know God but do not obey his commands, we are lying. The truth is not in us.
5. But when we obey God’s teaching, his love is truly working in us. This is how we know that we are living in him.
6. If we say we live in God, we must live the way Jesus lived.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 5:19am On Aug 03, 2020
Kobojunkie:
I wish you would see that the doctrine of Salvation by grace of God as taught by men is not the same as the gospel that Jesus Christ taught, and it is certainly not the same Grace that the apostles John, James, Jude, and Peter referred to. Paul also referred to the Grace that John referred to but I will stay away from declaring that at this time because most champions of the doctrine of Salvation through the grace of God tend to be Paulians. So I stay away from that and focus wholly on what Jesus Christ said because after all He is our one and only teacher.

According to John the apostle, in the gospel of John, He describes Jesus Christ Himself as being full of grace and Truth. And you have seen me say it several times that Jesus Christ is the New Covenant which He, Jesus Christ, commands that we Obey. The same John, in the passage below then goes on to put side-by-side the old and the new Covenants, implying the the Old Covenant was given us by Moses, while the new Covenant(the grace and truth) came through Jesus Christ.

So, in all, we know that not only did the New Covenant(grace and truth) came through Jesus Christ( in verse 17 above), the New Covenant is Jesus Christ(full of grace and truth).

This is what grace refers to when approached from the way it is written in the Gospels, and the very same said that if we love Him(Jesus Christ who is the grace and truth we are given) we ought to obey Him(the grace and truth that we have through Jesus Christ).



Hm pastor kobojunkie in the building!!!

You know why I agreed with you on this one, cos I asked my sibling after the first session of this discussion "what is grace "? And she said " Jesus" then you reaffirmed it again in your next comment. So yeah, He is and in a way we are still saying the same thing. grin.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 2:08pm On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:

Hm pastor kobojunkie in the building!!!

You know why I agreed with you on this one, cos I asked my sibling after the first session of this discussion "what is grace "? And she said " Jesus" then you reaffirmed it again in your next comment. So yeah, He is and in a way, we are still saying the same thing. grin.

Sadly, we are not saying the same thing still because the doctrine of salvation by Grace does not tell people they FIRST have to Obey what Jesus Christ commanded(as Jesus Christ said it must be) before they can become born again/saved, and since that claim is antichrist in nature, so many people are walking around pretending to be born again not knowing they are being taken over by the antichrist spirit that Jesus Christ spoke of.

That is the reason why there are so many who claim to worship and praise in the name of God but their lives and characters are far away from the image of Christ.

Jesus Christ warned that He and He alone should be our teacher and so man had no right teaching His own blend of what Jesus Christ taught.

Also how come you did not know the meaning of grace for yourself? If you are born again why has the Spirit of God himself not told you of the meaning of it Himself?
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 2:23pm On Aug 03, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Sadly, we are not saying the same thing still because the doctrine of salvation by Grace does not tell people they FIRST have to Obey what Jesus Christ commanded(as Jesus Christ said it must be) before they can become born again/saved, and since that claim is antichrist in nature, so many people are walking around pretending to be born again not knowing they are being taken over by the antichrist spirit that Jesus Christ spoke of.

That is the reason why there are so many who claim to worship and praise in the name of God but their lives and characters are far away from the image of Christ.

Jesus Christ warned that He and He alone should be our teacher and so man had no right teaching His own blend of what Jesus Christ taught.


Well... Since Jesus is Grace, is it not alright to say we are saved by Grace/Christ? Kobojunkie biko don't make simple matters complicated.


And what are you insinuating @the bolded? undecided Hmm..

What is it Jesus commanded we do before we can be born again? Let's hear you.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 2:42pm On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:

Well... Since Jesus is Grace, is it not alright to say we are saved by Grace/Christ? Kobojunkie biko don't make simple matters complicated.

And what are you insinuating @the bolded? undecided Hmm..

What is it Jesus commanded we do before we can be born again? Let's hear you.
It is not enough to claim you are saved because of Jesus Christ. No, it is not.
Jesus Christ commanded that you do what He commands IN ORDER to become saved....and there are about 7 commandments that everyone who wants to be "saved" by Jesus Christ MUST obey to become His follower.
It is impossible to become saved/born again/a follower of Jesus Christ if on does not obey all that Jesus Christ commanded. IMPOSSIBLE!

By the bolded, I mean to say that 100's of millions of so-called believers are walking around claiming they are born again/saved when in fact they are not. They bought into the lie that all they had to do was believe in their minds that Jesus saved them(doctrines built by men to delude their fellow men in the name of God).

These so-called believers walk around convinced that by simply believing it in their minds, the spirit of God has entered them and they, of their own, now need to turn a new leaf.

Jesus Christ never said any of that though. He made it known from over 2000 years ago that salvation comes at a cost and only those who do as He commands will be saved.

If only you would spend time reading through the gospels, particularly of Matthew and Mark, you will not miss the commandments of Jesus Christ that suggest what one must do in order to become worthy of Jesus Christ. Yes, one has to become qualified in order to become born again, and this is what Jesus Himself said... Salvation is not free..their is a cost. There has always been a cost and only this willing to do what Jesus Christ commands will be saved.

I am not able to post the passages(the Bible passages detailing what one has to do in order to become a follower of Jesus Christ) right now, but I will do so later in the day.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 2:48pm On Aug 03, 2020
Kobojunkie:
It is not enough to claim you are saved because of Jesus Christ. No, it is not.
Jesus Christ commanded that you do what He commands IN ORDER to become saved....and there are about 7 commandments that everyone who wants to be "saved" by Jesus Christ MUST obey to become His follower.
It is impossible to become saved/born again/a follower of Jesus Christ if on does not obey all that Jesus Christ commanded. IMPOSSIBLE!

By the bolded, I mean to say that 100's of millions of so-called believers are walking around claiming they are born again/saved when in fact they are not. They bought into the lie that all they had to do was believe in their minds that Jesus saved them(doctrines built by men to delude their fellow men in the name of God).

These so-called believers walk around convinced that by simply believing it in their minds, the spirit of God has entered them and they, of their own, now need to turn a new leaf.

Jesus Christ never said any of that though. He made it known from over 2000 years ago that salvation comes at a cost and only those who do as He commands will be saved.

If only you would spend time reading through the gospels, particularly of Matthew and Mark, you will not miss the commandments of Jesus Christ that suggest what one must do in order to become worthy of Jesus Christ. Yes, one has to become qualified in order to become born again, and this is what Jesus Himself said... Salvation is not free..their is a cost. There has always been a cost and only this willing to do what Jesus Christ commands will be saved.

I am not able to post the passages(the Bible passages detailing what one has to do in order to become a follower of Jesus Christ) right now, but I will do so later in the day.


Salvation is not gotten by our works. Its a free gift.

Shalom.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 2:51pm On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:

Salvation is not gotten by our works. Its a free gift.
Shalom.
Jesus Christ NEVER said it was free... Read that book to learn the truth of Jesus Christ for yourself.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 2:58pm On Aug 03, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ NEVER said it was free... Read that book to learn the truth of Jesus Christ for yourself.

So what did you do or how much did you pay to be saved?

Jesus paid with his life. We didn't pay anything, we only accepted it. that's the part we have to play, Nwokem.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 3:10pm On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:

So what did you do or how much did you pay to be saved?

Jesus paid with his life. We didn't pay anything, we only accepted it. that's the part we have to play, Nwokem.
Jesus Christ in fact commands that you give up your life to Him if you want to be His.And by giving up, it is not a mental exercise... Be prepared to lose your life, your possession, your career, who you are, your friends and family, your home, your ego, even your mind and control over your very life etc. In order to become His follower.

He commands that you abandon everything you thought you thought you knew of who God is and the things or God--become like a child--in order to become His follower.

These are going to cost you something and you need to accept the loss in order to gain salvation that Jesus Christ offers.

It may not be the same cost Jesus Christ paid for you to have a chance at being saved, but it is a cost nonetheless.

Remember the story of the rich man whom Jesus Christ told had to get rid of all that he owned in offer to become His, Jesus Christ's follower? Well, the rich man had done everything else that Jesus Christ had commanded except let go of all that He owned. That cost turned out to be too much for him to handle. That is why He turned back and chose not to become saved after all.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 3:15pm On Aug 03, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ in fact commands that you give up your life to Him if you want to be His.And by giving up, it is not a mental exercise... Be prepared to lose your life, your possession, your career, who you are, your friends and family, your home, your ego, even your mind and control over your very life etc. In order to become His follower.

He commands that you abandon everything you thought you thought you knew of who God is and the things or God--become like a child--in order to become His follower.

These are going to cost you something and you need to accept the loss in order to gain salvation that Jesus Christ offers.

It may not be the same cost Jesus Christ paid for you to have a chance at being saved, but it is a cost nonetheless.

Remember the story of the rich man whom Jesus Christ told had to get rid of all that he owned in offer to become His, Jesus Christ's follower? Well, the rich man had done everything else that Jesus Christ had commanded except let go of all that He owned. That cost turned out to be too much for him to handle. That is why He turned back and chose not to become saved after all.

Huhffff... I see.
Thanks.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 6:29pm On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:


Huhffff... I see.
Thanks.
Here they are.... each Passage is Jesus Christ saying exactly what we have to OBEY in other to become His followers...

1. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

Matthew 14 vs 23-24
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23. Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
24. The greatest person in God’s kingdom is the one who makes himself humble like this child.

2. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
3. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
4. Be ready and willing to bear your own burden (not someone else's cross - not even your family's or children's)

Matthew 10 vs 34-39
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34. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble.[h]
35. I have come to make this happen:
‘A son will turn against his father.
A daughter will turn against her mother.
A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36. Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’
37. “Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me.
38. Those who will not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow me are not worthy of me.
39. Those who try to keep the life they have will lose it. But those who give up their life for me will find true life.
5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)
Matthew 16 vs 24-27
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24. Then Jesus said to his *disciples, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me.
25. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will find true life.
26. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost. You could never pay enough to buy back your life.
27. The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done.

6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

Matthew 6 vs 25-34
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25. “So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it.
26. Look at the birds. They don’t plant, harvest, or save food in barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. Don’t you know you are worth much more than they are?
27. You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.
28. “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the wildflowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves.
29. But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers.
30. If God makes what grows in the field so beautiful, what do you think he will do for you? It’s just grass—one day it’s alive, and the next day someone throws it into a fire. But God cares enough to make it beautiful. Surely he will do much more for you. Your faith is so small!
31. “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’
32. That’s what those people who don’t know God are always thinking about. Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things.
33. What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need.
34. So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries.
* taken from another translation to boost ease of reading

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Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Nobody: 6:36pm On Aug 03, 2020
Kobojunkie:
Here they are.... each Passage is Jesus Christ saying exactly what we have to OBEY in other to become His followers...

1. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions


2. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
3. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
4. Be ready and willing to bear your own burden (not someone else's cross - not even your family's or children's)

5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)


6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

* taken from another translation to boost ease of reading

True. Ive always known all of the above.
Thanks for the reminder though. We need a constant reminder of his promises for us.
Re: When Repentance Is Rendered Invalid by Kobojunkie: 6:52pm On Aug 03, 2020
Brachaa:


True. Ive always known all of the above.
Thanks for the reminder though. We need a constant reminder of his promises for us.
Obeying all 7 is the only way to becoming Born of the Spirit... .

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