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| Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by barikade: 2:46pm On Jun 18, 2007 |
Spirit, Soul and Body - What's The Difference? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-59218.32.html#msg1213595 I'm taking the humble pleasure of responding to the call for a new thread to be opened for discussions on the above topic. Scholars, observers, critics, applauders - welcome.  |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by ricadelide(m): 2:59pm On Jun 18, 2007 |
@bari_kade, thanks for opening up the thread. I'll just make a short input for now hoping the real scholars and all will come and make their inputs. IMHO, man is a spirit, he pocesses a soul and he lives in a body. the spirit is the realm of God-consciousness (sometimes though Satan-consciousness), the soul is the seat of self-consciousness, while the body is the seat of physical (or earth) consciousness. Inputs/corrections welcome. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by barikade: 3:05pm On Jun 18, 2007 |
Beautiful. I'd need to gather my points again to make a concise input as you've done. Well done!  |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Drusilla(f): 10:28am On Jun 19, 2007 |
Body is just flesh. Soul is your mind. Spirit is the realm of the otherworld. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Aproko(f): 10:45am On Jun 19, 2007 |
man has spirit. this spirit is covered by a cloak called flesh. soul is just an expression coined by the english language to represent the human entity or being i.e both flesh and spirit. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by barikade: 11:15am On Jun 19, 2007 |
I really appreciate the views expressed so far - they're adding to my understanding of how people see things. Cheers. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by TV01(m): 11:44am On Jun 19, 2007 |
Aproko: Tha'ts pretty much where I am on this. I don't actually think a "Soul" exists seperate from the union of Body & Spirit. God bless TV |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by barikade: 12:06pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
Hi TV01, TV01: May I ask this question: what do you understand by the distinct mention of all three entities of man in I Thes. 5:23 - "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ"? |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Analytical(m): 12:37pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
Thanks bari_kade for opening a thread that dragged me out of my lurking position for a while now  Hi TV01, long time. I have been in stealth mode for a while @ Bari_kade, to add to your poser above, why will the Holy Ghost inspire this verse as well, if they are not distinct? Hebrews 4: 12 (KJV) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. To me the dividing asunder connotes a distinction while the joints and marrow speak of the body. Bless y'all. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by TV01(m): 12:49pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
bari_kade: I said this. TV01: The soul comes into being when there is a union of body and spirit. I did'nt say it was not distinct from them, just that it did not exist on its own separately and apart from them. The scriptural narrative (as far as I've read - although I stand to be corrected - only speaks of the creation of the body and the giving of the spirit). Maybe this analogy (ad-hoc) will help. A car conssts of an engine and a chassis. Seperately nothing happens, bring them together and you have a motor vehicle. I hope that to some degree answers this also. Analytical: Analytical: Welcome Sir. Did you see Trini-Girl whilst in stealth-mode? (don't know where it is, but it sure sounds like a cool place  ).God bless TV |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Analytical(m): 1:41pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
TV01, Sorry if I didn't get you well. But I thought you said you were with Aproko on this: man has spirit. this spirit is covered by a cloak called flesh. soul is just an expression coined by the english language to represent the human entity or being i.e both flesh and spirit. As far as I've studied, soul is not just an expression (to answer Aproko) to represent the human entity. It doesn't refer to both flesh and spirit. The human being is not just those two, but three distinct entities: spirit, soul and body (flesh). The soul comes into being when there is a union of body and spirit. I did'nt say it was not distinct from them, just that it did not exist on its own separately and apart from them. I agree for now (may adjust later). The scriptural narrative (as far as I've read - although I stand to be corrected - only speaks of the creation of the body and the giving of the spirit). . . . and then the man became a living soul (to complete your reference). Did you see Trini-Girl whilst in stealth-mode? (don't know where it is, but it sure sounds like a cool place ). Nope! Guess she was on a different plane -mine was the spiritual realm, while hers I guess was soulish (Sorry Trini_Girl!) Cool place, though.  |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by barikade: 1:52pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
Hi Analytical, Great to see you "enticed" to log on! Quite unfair, though, that you did so when I'm almost going into hybernation until holidays from school. Anyhow, I'll still pop in and out between times.@TV01, I'll acquiesce to Analytical's response to yours on both I Thes. 5:23 and Heb. 4:12. Perhaps later, I'd be making a bit of detailed outlines on some of the distinctions I see in other texts. Cheers. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by trinigirl1(f): 4:10pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
Analytical: and what's that supposed to mean  ?  |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Analytical(m): 4:37pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
Trini_Girl, See what I mean! I knew that will drag you out of your 'stealth-mode'!!!! No be me talk am now, na your MOG TV01 o! So where have you been? |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by TV01(m): 4:40pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
Analytical: I knew this wouldn't end well  !trini_girl: Oh, oh. Analytical, you've roused a sleeping lioness. I hope your backside is kelvar reinforced. I beg 0, Trini, only maul am small ! Or even better, temper justice with mercy.How are you girl? I trust you are well. The Nairaland religion board has been a bit dry during your absence. I must say I am pleased now that all my girl them, are back !God bless TV |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Analytical(m): 4:50pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
I knew this wouldn't end well ! I sure knew too! But somehow I have to wake the lioness up She is not the one to let that pass. But I already said sorry now I am still laughing my head off here This place has been too dull of recent!Trini_Girl, why you come swallow my bait like this now?  So where have you been now before one Oga go yank this off? |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by otuwe(f): 5:41pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
spirit- that is man cud be conscious or unconscious(depending on the stage of maturity) soul- that is man in ethereal form body- that is man in the physical form. so on earth we carry both spirit soul and body at death we embody the spirit and the soul back home in paradise we are back to spirit but this time as consious spirit. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by ricadelide(m): 6:15pm On Jun 19, 2007 |
TV01:just to drop some sentences for now. I don't think the issue of the soul coming into existence when the spirit entered the body is of any consequence as to predicting either its nature or its future. what matters is that it exists. Everything outside of God has a beginning; the spirit of man has a beginning, likewise the body. the soul has a different beginning from the other two, that does not disqualify it from either being an entity on its own or being able to survive after seperation from the body. the emphasis the bible places on the salvation of the soul (IPet1;9, Heb.10;31, ), and the dividing of soul and spirit (Heb. 4;12) as well as direct references to distinct soulish entities or functions especially as regards the (renewing of) the mind (rom 12;2, Eph. 4;23, Phil. 4;8, Rom. 8;5-7, Col. 3;2,10) should show us how important the subject of the soul is and act as a pointer to us that the soul does not 'dissolve' after death. however later on i'd go into much more detail in my opinion, the car analogy isnt apt. cheers. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by TV01(m): 2:43pm On Jun 20, 2007 |
ricadelide: Well I personally do think it's of consequence. I am not denying the fact of ensoulment. ricadelide: Please show from scripture that the soul survives death. ricadelide: That depends on your take on the root of the word translated soul in every case. If the soul survives death, as above please show it. Upon death, I believe the scriptures show that sleep follows. No more consciousness. ricadelide: I'd love to hear you expound when you have the time. And a more apt anolgy if you have one. God bless TV |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by trinigirl1(f): 5:38pm On Jun 21, 2007 |
Analytical: Ha! Which MOG? The one who abandoned me and is now trying to get my attention by asking for me from thread to thread? I have disowned him!Okay I admit I took the bait and I will forgive you , this time. I've been observing on the sidelines, nobody worth eating alive these days, and the topics are beginning to remind me somewhat of the Romance threads. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by barikade: 9:34pm On Jun 21, 2007 |
@TV01, TV01: How do you understand Rev. 6:9-10 - "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? "? |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by ricadelide(m): 2:39am On Jun 22, 2007 |
sorry am replying a little late. TV01:we both agree on that. Please show from scripture that the soul survives death.the scirpture quoted by bari_kade above addresses the issue. However, I'd try to use some more scriptures from the Lord himself. Matt. 10.28 Don't be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell (gehenna) From that scripture we can make a few inferences; [list] [li]Killing the body (death) does not bring about a killing of the soul. [/li] [li]God is the only one who can "destroy" the soul forever (The term destruction i believe connoting that the soul 'perishes', is 'lost' etc) [/li] [/list] Adding the above to Matt. 10; 39 “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it" the word life here (psuche) is the same word for soul, because the bible equates the soul as being the life of man and the seat of his personality and individuality we can infer from the second scripture that, he who loses his soul for the Lord (via crucifiction of the soul life by the power of the cross) will find it ie eternally. while he who refuses to surrender his soul to the Lord will lose it (verse 28) this is also what is stated in this verse in John 12;25. Again, the very same word for soul, psuche, is used. "He that loves his life shall lose it, and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it to life eternal" In order words, he who loves his soul or his soul life will lose it (perish) while the contrast will keep it for eternity. Now to further buttress the point, the fairly popular verse in 1Thess 5;23 "And may God Himself who gives peace, make you entirely holy; and may your spirits, souls and bodies be preserved complete and be found blameless at the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (emphasis mine) the bible here is explicit on the soul being preserved until and at Christ's coming. i believe we'd agree that that refers to the second coming. If it is to be preserved then it is not to be dissolved. at his coming the bible teaches that the body is to be changed; but it will still have a body. Likewise we will have a soul and a spirit. That depends on your take on the root of the word translated soul in every case. If the soul survives death, as above please show it. Upon death, I believe the scriptures show that sleep follows. No more consciousness.i made use of scriptures that refer to the soul or to the functions of the soul. Peter, referring to his impending demise, said; "For I know that the time for me to lay aside my body is now rapidly drawing near". Death is like a laying aside of the body; not the soul and not the spirit. the 'me' there obviously does not have the same fate as the body (at least temporally, until the body is raised up a spiritual body). Linking that verse with 2Cor. 4; 6-8. I believe also that the scriptures teaches that to be away from the body is to be 'at home with the Lord'. Leaving the body (in death) from the way the scriptures teach it is like leaving one house for another. the excitement by which Paul looks forward to it and the fact that he will be with the Lord, shows that there is indeed going to be consciousness after death. This same train of thought is what makes sense when you consider Acts. 7;55 with Jesus standing at the right hand hand of God. the scriptures teach that Christ is seated at the right hand of GOd (Mk 16;19) but i believe that the Lord stood to welcome Him and the Holy Spirit gave him a glimpse of that so he could endure the pain (Heb. 12;2). This i believe is the kind of 'rich welcome' that Peter was referring to in 2Pet. 1;11. the bible teaches death we will be with the Lord when we put off this tent of the body. i believe we would be fully conscious in the presence of the Lord. I'd love to hear you expound when you have the time. And a more apt anolgy if you have one.don't have an analogy unfortunately. I have the light bulb analogy, but its also not apt. cheers. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Drusilla(f): 3:28am On Jun 22, 2007 |
ricadelide: You make a good argument. Yet here the scripture speaks of Christ soul not being left in hell. (The Grave) Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. When Christ was resurrected, his body, and his soul were resurrected together. So that doesn't speak of a soul being separate from the body, at least in terms of where it goes upon death. Both go to the grave. Both must be resurrected together, right? And if anybody's soul was going to go straight from death to heaven, Jesus should have went, right? Body & Soul wait togther to be resurrected. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by ricadelide(m): 6:13am On Jun 22, 2007 |
Drusilla:i agree that the bible says Jesus' soul was not left in hell; indeed that is the very point i was making; the soul still remains or exists after physical death. but then, consistent with the scriptures i quoted in my earlier post, his soul was seperate from his body; because his body remained in the tomb but his soul went to the grave (hades). technically speaking, his body was not in hades. He (his soul) ressurected from the grave and that is why his body did not see decay; if he had remained in the grave, then his body will have decayed. Now the question of why he went to the grave is another issue entirely. and the point here is that he did not remain in the grave; which is the fate of those who are unsaved. Both go to the grave. Both must be resurrected together, right? the soul of a child of God i believe does not go to the grave but rather to be with the Lord, as i earlier stated (2Cor. 5; 6- Also, Rev. 6;9-10. the case of Jesus was different as explained below. as regards an unbeliever i believe Matt 10;28 applies.And if anybody's soul was going to go straight from death to heaven, Jesus should have went, right?I don't believe so. i didnt want to go into this but just a few words; i believe quite the contrary, in Eph. 4; 8-10 - he had to descend into the depths of hades, in order that he might 'fill all in all'. His dominion being exercised over all things including the grave. The verse also mentions him 'leading the captives in his train' another issue entirely (see 1Pet.3;18-19). Also, Hebrews 3;14-15, in descending to the grave, he destroyed the power of the devil Linking the previous with Rev.1;18, it is not explicitly stated but we can infer that it was while in the grave that he obtained 'the keys to death and Hades' having destroyed the power of the devil, that is why he said; 'I was dead'. And thus, 'all authority in heaven and on earth' belongs to Him. Matt. 28; 18 Indeed, because He is God, and by the power of the Spirit, death could not hold or contain him, and he was ressurected from the grave. these are my thoughts based on my understanding of those scriptures i mentioned; i am not an authority on this subject and i'm still learning. cheers. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by pilgrim1(f): 2:36pm On Jan 15, 2008 |
@All, As said earlier, I had hoped that the distinctions between the various components of man would have been discussed at length in this thread - Spirit, Soul and Body - What's The Difference?. So, Bobbyaf, noetic, olabowale. . . any luck of seeing you guys here with seasoned entries? |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by odiaseo(m): 2:43pm On Jan 15, 2008 |
man is 3 in one just as God is 3 in one Man is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body spirit - relates to our father God soul - mind, emotions & intellect body - feelings, natural senses |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Bobbyaf(m): 3:40pm On Jan 15, 2008 |
What does the word soul mean in this passage? Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by pilgrim1(f): 9:12pm On Jan 15, 2008 |
Bobbyaf: The exegesis of the soul in Scripture points to the component that identifies man in his distinct personality. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by jerrymania(m): 9:44pm On Jan 15, 2008 |
Bobbyaf: Get It. Man cant be a soul without the spirit. The fusion of flesh and spirit makes man "a living soul". |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by pilgrim1(f): 9:54pm On Jan 15, 2008 |
Lol. . .@jerrymania, jerrymania: However, that should not make us always assume that the soul does not survive without the body! The lesson we learn from Revelation 6:9-10 points out that the "souls" survived after those saints were slain - that was why John was able to see the "souls". |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Bobbyaf(m): 5:53am On Jan 16, 2008 |
@ Pilgrim The exegesis of the soul in Scripture points to the component that identifies man in his distinct personality. Simplify that for a 6 year old. What does soul mean in that verse? Give me one word. |
| Re: Spirit, Soul And Body - What's The Difference? by Bobbyaf(m): 6:09am On Jan 16, 2008 |
@ Jerrymania Get It. Man can't be a soul without the spirit. The fusion of flesh and spirit makes man "a living soul". As was confirmed by Geneis 2:7 You see, Adam was not a dead soul before recieving the "breath of life". He was simply lifeless, not dead. The transition only took place after God blew the breath of life into his nostrils. Noticed the bible said that man became a living soul, and not that man possessed a soul? To become something and to have something are two different things. Satan has decieved the masses into thinking that man's soul is eternal, so that when he dies his soul lives on. Because of this man does not see the need to accept God's plan of salvation through Jesus' sacrificial death. Whats the point he asks, when my soul can't die? My soul will take another form somehow and continue living. See where I am going with this? So in essence the word soul means life, being, person, creature, etc. The prophet says "the soul that sins shall die", and the death of which he speaks is both the natural death, as well as the eternal death. |
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