Kobojunkie:
Not OK! Why did you try to inject that lie into the conversation? You have severally accused me of lying and contradicting myself but have not been able to prove even once that your claims hold true. Now you resort to injecting falsehoods as if by me into the discussion, why?

Let me start with NOT OkAY.

Please answer the question, from whose linage are you?

Leader92:
I post scriptures to you so I don't speak my opinion to you, and you call it lies..can't you see you are a child of the father of all lies, satan.
The scriptures are true. You are the lier.

All you have done is twist scripture over and over to try to make it fit your doctrine though! Even where Jesus Christ commands that there be no other teacher.. you have made so many attempts at refuting his claim, to the point that you even suggest that Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God are different teachers in the lives of those who are followers of Jesus Christ.

I posted Jesus Christ's own words commanding that in order to become His followers, you indeed have to do as He says, but again, you are against the words of Jesus Christ whom you claim to believe. You resort to trying to insert lies where you can to diminish my person as if doing so will remove the need for you to obey what I have shown you that Jesus Christ taught His followers to do. Do you not see? You are against Jesus Christ, not for Him. You don't really care what He says or commands... cause to you, you have to refute Him in order to survive as you are -- so you can continue living the lie that is you. Wake up! This is what He warned again.

Kobojunkie:
Why are you lying that I am a descendant of Abraham?

Lol... Hm...

Can't stop laughing here biko.

Una do don start this early morning again. Mm!

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! What I confirmed was that you tried to quote Scripture out of Context there.... Scroll back to read my entry for yourself.
Rule #1 about reading any book out there, even your Bible, Context is king!
So how can telling you never to take a verse out of context constitute confirming your absurd claim about scripture having mates?

I see your are not skill with the scriptures and you want to teach rules.

* The context didn't even start from verse 34, you don't know that for sure.

* The verses in chapters 34 are prophetic. They speak of things to happen in future.

* Verse, the said say all this thing that shall happen are written already, they have mates both in the old testament books and the new testament books but only the Spirit of God can help the reader gather them for understanding.


So how is it out of context?


False teacher.

Brachaa:


Lol... Hm...

Can't stop laughing here biko.

Una do don start this early morning again. Mm!

Lol, the guy think say He don't get all the revelation in Bible.

He plain in speech and with alot of contradictory statements.

He doesn't answer questions in it context.

Help tell him to accept Jesus �, that's the most important thing.

Leader92:
I see your are not skill with the scriptures and you want to teach rules.
* The context didn't even start from verse 34, you don't know that for sure.
* The verses in chapters 34 are prophetic. They speak of things to happen in future.
* Verse, the said say all this thing that shall happen are written already, they have mates both in the old testament books and the new testament books but only the Spirit of God can help the reader gather them for understanding.
So how is it out of context?
False teacher.

OPEN YOUR EYES To read what is from the book you claim to believe in
Rule #1 about reading any book out there, even your Bible, Context is king!

Isaiah 34 vs 8-17 (ERV)
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8. This will happen because the Lord has chosen a time for punishment. He has chosen a year when people must pay for the wrong they did to Zion.
9. Edom’s rivers will be like hot tar. Edom’s ground will be like burning sulfur.
10. The fires will burn day and night—no one will stop the fire. The smoke will rise from Edom forever. The land will be destroyed forever and ever. No one will ever travel through that land again.
11. Birds and small animals will own that land. It will be a home for owls and ravens. God will leave that land in ruins. People will call it “the empty desert.”[e]
12. The free men[f] and leaders will all be gone, and there will be nothing left for them to rule.
13. Thorns and wild bushes will grow in all the beautiful homes there. Wild dogs and owls will live in them. Wild animals will make their homes there. Big birds will live in the grasses that grow there.
14. Wild cats will live there with hyenas.[g] Wild goats[h] will call to their friends. Night animals[i] will spend some time there and find a place to rest.
15. Snakes will make their homes there and lay their eggs. The eggs will open, and small snakes will crawl from the dark places. Birds that eat dead things will gather there like women visiting their friends.
16. Look in the Lord’s scroll and read what it says: Not one of these will be missing. Not one will be without its mate. God said he would make this happen, so his Spirit will bring them together.
17. God decided what he should do with them, and then he chose a place for them. He drew a line and showed them their land. So the animals will own that land forever. They will live there year after year.

If context starts in verse 16, what does the statement "Not one of these will be missing" refer to?
In verse 17, what animals will own that land forever? Is that not referring to the animals mentioned in the verse BEFORE verse 16?

Open your eyes and read the context as it presents to you. DOn't inject your delusion into it first.

Leader92:



You mention in your comment that you "go with him sometimes", which means you agree with him sometimes.

Concerning they way he see things, the HolySpirit (spirit of Truth ) has not taught him the truth, because he has not received Him by not accept Jesus. Also, He cannot yeach him when he doesn't have Him( The HolySpirit), it will be an abomination. He only sees lies by the spirit and father of lies, Satan, because he (satan also knows and quote the scriptures).

You can't teach about who you don't accept as God and saviour because there will be no revelation. That's why if you read in between his (Kobo junkies) lines, his letters are dry without the Spirit of God.



The HolySpirit is the author of the Bible, if you don't have him by accepting Jesus..you can understand the Bible, your will read plainly like every other book and preach without the power of God. Apostles preached with the HolySpirit (1Co 2:4 KJV And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power



The scripture below says the Spirit of God helps us gather them and he doesn't have that spirit yet. he( kobojunkie) confirmed it.

Isa 34:16 KJV Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

Please, advice him to accept Jesus first before all these nonsense he his dishing out.

Thanks

I wonder where you read he has not accepted Christ. He said "then".. Besides how can you say he has not received Christ when he says continually that he is a follower of Christ. Or you don't see that part?

Well I'm not here to argue for or against him. Only trying to say some things he says are Bible based and true.

I also think the use of certain English words here might be the cause of the confusion and misunderstanding of each other.

Again, I'm not here to defend or support anyone, please. I'm still learning but at the same time don't want to be caught in this confusion flying here and there.

Shalom.

Kobojunkie:
All you have done is twist scripture over and over to try to make it fit your doctrine though! Even where Jesus Christ commands that there be no other teacher.. you have made so many attempts at refuting his claim, to the point that you even suggest that Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God are different teachers in the lives of those who are followers of Jesus Christ.

I posted Jesus Christ's own words commanding that in order to become His followers, you indeed have to do as He says, but again, you are against the words of Jesus Christ whom you claim to believe. You resort to trying to insert lies where you can to diminish my person as if doing so will remove the need for you to obey what I have shown you that Jesus Christ taught His followers to do. Do you not see? You are against Jesus Christ, not for Him. You don't really care what He says or commands... cause to you, you have to refute Him in order to survive as you are -- so you can continue living the lie that is you. Wake up! This is what He warned again.

Jesus commanded there be only one teacher, who taught you what you know?

You didn't post what Jesus wrote by Himself, you posted what Mathew wrote and claimed Jesus said. That's a report, not from the Jesus' mouth Himself. Paul did same, he had and encounter with Jesus on his way to Damascus and you discredit him.

I believe every part of the Bible, I don't select. I believe Jesus, the reports about Him. The bible calls it testament..a testator report one that has pass on. Paul is one, Matthew is another.

Selective Amnesia.

Lol, the guy think say He don't get all the revelation in Bible.

He plain in speech and with alot of contradictory statements.

He doesn't answer questions in it context.

I think he does but you dont seem to understand him.
Now you asked him about the Holy spirit being a teacher and he asked you a very key question there which lies your answer.
Go back and read it.

Help tell him to accept Jesus �, that's the most important thing.

This won't be necessary because he has already done that. You prolly dont understand him.

Leader92:
Jesus commanded there be only one teacher, who taught you what you know?

You didn't post what Jesus wrote by Himself, you posted what Mathew wrote and claimed Jesus said. That's a report, not from the Jesus' mouth Himself. Paul did same, he had and encounter with Jesus on his way to Damascus and you discredit him.

I believe every part of the Bible, I don't select. I believe Jesus, the reports about Him. The bible calls it testament..a testator report one that has pass on. Paul is one, Matthew is another.

Selective Amnesia.

Yes Selective amnesia it seems!

Leader92:
If you say a book in the Bible you read is opinion of the writer, the tour statement disqualifies every other book in the Bible as a credible source of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and all the scriptures you have quoted are false because they were opinion of the writers also. This is because Jesus did not write any book by Himself.

But that is where wisdom comes in and says, wait a second.... If God is true, and His word is truth, then it is not that the Bible is truth but that the WORD OF GOD, CONTAINED IN THE BIBLE, IS HIS TRUTH.

Matthew 4 vs 4 (ESV)
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4. But he answered, “It is written,“‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Jesus Christ Himself gave us the clue, but we did not see it, did we?
Yes, only the word that is designated as coming from God, either through His Prophets or through His very own WORD, is indeed TRUTH. I quote Paul when I say let man be liar and God be true.

Leader92:
As for Paul,
Gal 1:11-12 KJV 11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Deu 33:1 refers to Moses as "man of God"
1timothy 6:11 refers to Timothy as "man of God"
2pet 1:21 buttressed the classification well as " men of God"
Eph 4:11 we all are followers of Jesus Christ, but
the same scripture listed the classification seperately In the body of for a purpose. Infact, the first on the list, Apostles, was the same used for the 12 disciples amongst other disciple of Jesus.

In the old Covenanent, there were MOGs, God himself installed many of them. But as far as the new Covenant is concerned, God instituted a changing of the guards.

As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, I can established that MOG refers to men/women who, in direct disobedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, install themselves in positions of power contrary to His teachings, i.e. Spiritual leaders/ Spiritual fathers/ Teachers/Prophets/Authorities/Rabbis/Guides/Helpers over God's people, assuming the place of God in the lives of those who belong to God, twisting his truth and words to create for themselves doctrines and traditions, which are far from the very teachings of Jesus Christ.
As for Paul, I don't have answers as to why his writings seem to stand in direct contradiction to many of God's teachings. It's been about 2000 years. The man's work could have been tampered with during that period, at least that is what I am leaning towards.

Leader92:
Finally, what you know in now, you learnt. From God through man. You were not born with any. Don't believe the opinion of Jeremiah and leave that of Paul. Jeremiah did not see Jesus I'm person and yet you quote him

I don't believe the opinon of any man, not even Jeremiah. I believe in God though and I trust that God is indeed able to ensure that His word is correctly propagated from generation to generation, age to age. Yes, Test His word to find out for yourself. That is what I did and that is how I learnt what I know now. I went straight to ask Him to prove Himself and He did just that.

Leader92:
If you say Jesus Christ did not right the letters in Ephesians, please tell us which book or letter Jesus wrote by Himself?

Um.. the authorship of the letters to the Ephesians may be in dispute still, but Jesus Christ is most definitely not on the list of possible authors.
The books in your bible were written by the hands of men, and in the language of men, to be comprehended as one would any language that is the language of men. That said, God, the one who created men, inserted His Truth into the minds of men so that it be propagated through time and space as His word should. Yes, God is powerful enough to ensure the integrity of His own word and Truth throughout all time.

Leader92:
Respect yourself and answer straight and with scriptures please. If you can I'll believe every thing you have written on this thread. Thanks

Scriptural backing to show that God's truth is God's truth?
Paul is supposed to have written this one...

Ephesians 1 vs 1-2 (ERV)
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1. Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus,[a] the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Moses is the one who wrote this one here.

Numbers 23 vs 19 (ERV)
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19. God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Here is what Jesus Christ said when speaking of what man needs

Matthew 4 vs 4 (ESV)
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4. But he answered, “It is written,“‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Brachaa:



Lol, the guy think say He don't get all the revelation in Bible.

He plain in speech and with alot of contradictory statements.



I think he does but you dont seem to understand him.
Now you asked him about the Holy spirit being a teacher and he asked you a very key question there which lies your answer.
Go back and read it.



This won't be necessary because he has already done that. You prolly dont understand him.

Maybe you understand him, when he said he is not a descendant of Jacob. Right?

Maybe you understand him when he said Jesus said we should not call anyone father (but he has call is biological father "father", Elisha did same to Elijah), or teacher ( because he went true teachers both in formal and religious education).

Maybe you understand him when he said he doesn't believe Paul's report, but believes Matthew's report.

He can't teach anything about the HolySpirit because he doesn't have Him yet.

Go back to his comments and read for yourself.

* He said by Himself, that he didn't accept Christ.
* He said he went to the Father without Christ.
* He said no need for MOG in the body of Christ, which eph 4;11 refutes his claim.
* He quoted Jeremiah 31, that man need not any man to be taught by another man, therefore God will do teach by Himself. I want to ask you, has God use any man to teach you before? yes, because you were not born with the knowledge you have today.



Tell me, are the above claims scripturally correct?

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Leader92:




Maybe you understand him, when he said he is not a descendant of Jacob. Right?

Maybe you understand him when he said Jesus said we should not call anyone father (but he has call is biological father "father", Elisha did same to Elijah), or teacher ( because he went true teachers both in formal and religious education).

Maybe you understand him when he said he doesn't believe Paul's report, but believes Matthew's report.

He can't teach anything about the HolySpirit because he doesn't have Him yet.

Go back to his comments and read for yourself.

* He said by Himself, that he didn't accept Christ.
* He said he went to the Father without Christ.
* He said no need for MOG in the body of Christ, which eph 4;11 refutes his claim.
* He quoted Jeremiah 31, that man need not any man to be taught by another man, therefore God will do teach by Himself. I want to ask you, has God use any man to teach you before? yes, because you were not born with the knowledge you have today.



Tell me, are the above claims scripturally correct?

I dont like to argue the word of God.

To each his own abeg!

Brachaa:



I wonder where you read he has not accepted Christ. He said "then".. Besides how can you say he has not received Christ when he says continually that he is a follower of Christ. Or you don't see that part?

Well I'm not here to argue for or against him. Only trying to say some things he says are Bible based and true.

I also think the use of certain English words here might be the cause of the confusion and misunderstanding of each other.

Again, I'm not here to defend or support anyone, please. I'm still learning but at the same time don't want to be caught in this confusion flying here and there.

Shalom.

You can't follow Christ without acception Him, that will walking in deceit. Roman 9:10

There are many in church like that, until one day the listen to powerful sermon on salvation, they they talk the bold step.

To save you stress just ask these simple questions.

* If he has given his life to Christ.
* If he went to God directly without Christ.
* If Christ is God
* If we are born of the Spirit and that qualifies us as spiritual beings.

Beg him to answer you in yes or no first before messing around. That's way you can simply see his stand stand point.

Thanks

Brachaa:



I dont like to argue the word of God.

To each his own abeg!

People leave perspectives from arguments also.

If he preaches does claim then he will be false teacher like the Bible told us. That's danger for him.

As believers, we instructed to rebuke sharply false teachings, it's spread faster than viruses.

Tit 1:10-14 KJV 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Leader92


You can't follow Christ without acception Him, that will walking in deceit. Roman 9:10

There are many in church like that, until one day the listen to powerful sermon on salvation, they they talk the bold step.

To save you stress just ask these simple questions.

* If he has given his life to Christ.
*

If he went to God directly without Christ.
* If Christ is God

i didn't want to do this which I ought to have done in my previous response to you about his accepting Christ because i dont want to appear as his mouth piece but now you leave me with no choice but to say it.

Now when someone says he's a follower of somebody, what does that tell you? He simply believes in that person to follow him. Or can you follow a course you dont believe in? And if following is a result of believing, then it means you have accepted it. So its all same and one thing. Unless you are saying what you understand by coming through Christ " is until the person looks for Christ an walks through his stomach to God before you can believe he has accepted Christ. cos I dont see how being a follower doesn't sum up to haven come through Christ until it's is done literaly.

Once someone believes in Christ and goes by His teachings and commandmemts, he has accepted Christ. Let's leave it at that. Except you have other ways of accepting Christ, Sir.

* If we are born of the Spirit and that qualifies us as spiritual beings.

Beg him to answer you in yes or no first before messing around. That's way you can simply see his stand stand point.

Why beg him to answer me when I'm not the one tackling him? I won't.

Thanks.

Shalom.

Brachaa:
Leader92


You can't follow Christ without acception Him, that will walking in deceit. Roman 9:10

There are many in church like that, until one day the listen to powerful sermon on salvation, they they talk the bold step.

To save you stress just ask these simple questions.

* If he has given his life to Christ.
*
i didn't want to do this which I ought to have done in my previous response to you about his accepting Christ because i dont want to appear as his mouth piece but now you leave me with no choice but to say it.

Now when someone says he's a follower of somebody, what does that tell you? He simply believes in that person to follow him. Or can you follow a course you dont believe in? And if following is a result of believing, then it means you have accepted it. So its all same and one thing. Unless you are saying what you understand by coming through Christ " is until the person looks for Christ an walks through his stomach to God before you can believe he has accepted Christ. cos I dont see how being a follower doesn't sum up to haven come through Christ until it's is done literaly.

Once someone believes in Christ and goes by His teachings and commandmemts, he has accepted Christ. Let's leave it at that. Except you have other ways of accepting Christ, Sir.

* If we are born of the Spirit and that qualifies us as spiritual beings.





Why beg him to answer me when I'm not the one tackling him? I won't.

Thanks.

Shalom.

I can't help you understand the mystery of you want.

Rom 10:9-10 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The above scripture says salvation plus followers hip is by confessing and believing. Not just believing.

Your brother (kobojunkie) believes but didn't confess it. Instead he confessed that he didn't give his life to Christ.

No you can see that his belief and followership doesn't match his confession, which is the scriptural requirement for salvation.

Infact the confession part is very important, verse 10 says, confession is what is made unto salvation.

Jesus Christ is wiser than how you think of Him. He knows many will pretend with belief because it's a mind thing. But when you confess people wi here and know as witneses.

Your brother rejected Jesus by saying he didn't give his life to Jesus, do you think he saved that way after reading that's scripture?

You see why I ask you to tell him, to confess it first, before we start talking about the mystery of Christ.

Leader92:






I can't help you understand the mystery of you want.

Rom 10:9-10 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The above scripture says salvation plus followers hip is by confessing and believing. Not just believing.

Your brother (kobojunkie) believes but didn't confess it. Instead he confessed that he didn't give his life to Christ.

No you can see that his belief and followership doesn't match his confession, which is the scriptural requirement for salvation.

Infact the confession part is very important, verse 10 says, confession is what is made unto salvation.

Jesus Christ is wiser than how you think of Him. He knows many will pretend with belief because it's a mind thing. But when you confess people wi here and know as witneses.

Your brother rejected Jesus by saying he didn't give his life to Jesus, do you think he saved that way after reading that's scripture?

You see why I ask you to tell him, to confess it first, before we start talking about the mystery of Christ.

What exactly do you mean/ understand by the word confession? So all he's been saying about Jesus and being a true follower and obeyer of Jesus' commands are not confessing Jesus as Lord enough?

Look whether he declares it verbatim according to you or says it indirectly, its still same and one thing.

You guys should come to terms with your terminology or the forms of expressions you use here cos that seems to be the only issue there is in all this.

He is also your brother too. Stop the segregation if truly you're a child of God.

Shalom.

Leader92:






I can't help you understand the mystery of you want.

Rom 10:9-10 KJV 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The above scripture says salvation plus followers hip is by confessing and believing. Not just believing.

Your brother (kobojunkie) believes but didn't confess it. Instead he confessed that he didn't give his life to Christ.

No you can see that his belief and followership doesn't match his confession, which is the scriptural requirement for salvation.

Infact the confession part is very important, verse 10 says, confession is what is made unto salvation.

Jesus Christ is wiser than how you think of Him. He knows many will pretend with belief because it's a mind thing. But when you confess people wi here and know as witneses.

Your brother rejected Jesus by saying he didn't give his life to Jesus, do you think he saved that way after reading that's scripture?

You see why I ask you to tell him, to confess it first, before we start talking about the mystery of Christ.

Sir, please don't waste your precious time and data on Kobojunkie. No amount of revelation can get his twisted opinions out of his head. He is bent of taking his twisted ideas to the grave.

Brachaa:



What exactly do you mean/ understand by the word confession? So all he's been saying about Jesus and being a true follower and obeyer of Jesus' commands are not confessing Jesus as Lord enough?

Look whether he declares it verbatim according to you or says it indirectly, its still same and one thing.

You guys should come to terms with your terminology or the forms of expressions you use here cos that seems to be the only issue there is in all this.

He is also your brother too. Stop the segregation if truly you're a child of God.

Shalom.

Excuse me, read carefully.

He made a confession, and said " I did not give my life to Jesus".

He also confessed " he went directly to the Father without the Jesus" when the Bible said no one can come to the Father without Him.

If that does not mean denial in simple sense, then you are also caught up his misunderstanding and poor language usage.

Can't you see the "Not" in that scripture.

Are you calling black, white?

Hallelujah....

Jehovah overdo in action,thank you Jesus