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Did Jesus Speak About Predestination Here? by Preciousgirl(f): 8:19pm On Aug 23, 2020
John 15:16

[16]You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
Re: Did Jesus Speak About Predestination Here? by xproducer: 8:42pm On Aug 23, 2020
I believe so, because GOD reveals that HE chooses all that come to Him, that are truly His .... "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" - Ephesians 1:4....

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." - Romans 8:29-30 (Also Ephesians 1:5, Ephesians 1:11)


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"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." - Romans 9:14-16

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Re: Did Jesus Speak About Predestination Here? by vybzkartel: 8:46pm On Aug 23, 2020
xproducer:
I believe so, because GOD reveals that HE chooses all that come to Him.... "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" - Ephesians 1:4....

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." - Romans 8:29-30 (Also Ephesians 1:5, Ephesians 1:11)


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"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:44

"What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." - Romans 9:14-16


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Re: Did Jesus Speak About Predestination Here? by xproducer: 8:51pm On Aug 23, 2020
vybzkartel:



Great Exposition

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To GOD be all the glory, my friend... GOD lovingly teaches, GOD mercifully reveals! smiley

"It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." - John 6:45
Re: Did Jesus Speak About Predestination Here? by petra1(m): 3:00am On Aug 24, 2020
Preciousgirl:

John 15:16

[16]You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

I don't know if the teaching by xproducer goes along with the question of the OP.

Predestination in God is for everybody. Not selected people. Man still has a choice to say yes or No. Predestination does not mean God makes our decisions. It doesn't not mean God rejects some people from being saved .
Re: Did Jesus Speak About Predestination Here? by Nobody: 4:39am On Aug 24, 2020
Preciousgirl:

John 15:16

[16]You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

Jesus simply means he selected the 12 men out of numerous of his disciples to lead his group after his ascension to heaven! Matthew 16:19
The 12 didn't do the choosing by themselves, Jesus did it {Mark 3:14-15} these 12 are to become lifetime pioneers fishing for more disciples, none of Adam's imperfect descendants can single-handedly bear the FRUIT of God's holy spirit which has 9 unique qualities {Galatians 5:22-23} but as a group once the holy spirit is with them they will continue to bear the FRUIT and millions will start joining them {Matthew 5:13-16} and whatever they ask God to do for them (in line with their assignment) will be granted {1John 5:14 compare to Matthew 7:7-11}
So Jesus wasn't talking about predestination, the teaching of predestination is of pagan origin! undecided

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