In Genesis 15. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
The Lord promised Abraham countless seeds. Today the Jewish population is about 20 millon... and the global population is below 8 billion.
Clearly Abraham's decedent's are not yet as uncountable as the sand by the sea or the stars in the skies.
So was this more like an exaggeration or are we still expecting Abrahams decedent to grow into zillions?
Note these are the end times, we all believe the world as we know it is coming to as end

Tcwork:
In Genesis 15. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
The Lord promised Abraham countless seeds. Today the Jewish population is about 20 millon... and the global population is below 8 billion.
Clearly Abraham's decedent's are not yet as uncountable as the sand by the sea or the stars in the skies.
So was this more like an exaggeration or are we still expecting Abrahams decedent to grow into zillions?
Note these are the end times, we all believe the world as we know it is coming to as end

A family became a country, with 20 million members, is that not many enough as the stars?

Dtruthspeaker:


A family became a country, with 20 million members, is that not many enough as the stars?

There are actually zillions upon zillions of stars not 20 million sir

Did God wrote that down or someone reported what he said in writing. Thats If He said it..

Somethings are not to be believe literally.

Tcwork:
There are actually zillions upon zillions of stars not 20 million sir

Is zillion not many?

Can your house take 20 million people?

If 20 million people come to attack you shall you not fear?

You just wish to call God a liar and that He did not keep His Word.

Stop hiding. This is your time to show forth your wickedness and speak the wickedness in your heart.

cruxgemmata:
Did God wrote that down or someone reported what he said in writing. Thats If He said it..

Somethings are not to be believe literally.

I agree with you. even so many myths are incorporated in to the bible.

I believe that GOD was referring to all true believers (national Jews and others from all nations, i.e., Gentiles), in the Lord JESUS CHRIST... the spiritual Israel of GOD.

"And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." - Galatians 3:8-9

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"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God." - Romans 2:28-29

If I get u, ur point is as long as 20 million is plenty, the promise has been fulfilled. So if I promise u 100 billion naira and I give you 20 million have I kept my promise?
Be honest with yourself.
No one is calling God a liar. I was only hoping to get people who understand better to contribute. Unfortunately you are not helping.

Dtruthspeaker:


Is zillion not many?

Can your house take 20 million people?

If 20 million people come to attack you shall you not fear?

You just wish to call God a liar and that He did not keep His Word.

Stop hiding. This is your time to show forth your wickedness and speak the wickedness in your heart.

That makes a lot of sense but still even including all believers, we still do not exceed the stars. Oga there are gazillions of stars. We only got 7.5 billion humans. Something is not being accounted for. quote author=xproducer post=94130631]I believe that GOD was referring to all true believers (national Jews and others from all nations, i.e., Gentiles), in the Lord JESUS CHRIST... the spiritual Israel of GOD.

"And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." - Galatians 3:8-9

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"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God." - Romans 2:28-29[/quote]

So basically, you don't believe some of the Bible?

cruxgemmata:
Did God wrote that down or someone reported what he said in writing. Thats If He said it..

Somethings are not to be believe literally.

Bro, another important note is the simile that GOD uses (simile being "a figure of speech involving the comparison of one thing with another thing of a different kind, used to make a description more emphatic or vivid" )... saying "I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven" is comparing the manner in which they are multiplied, but necessarily the number; though GOD knows the numbers.

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Tcwork:
That makes a lot of sense but still even including all believers, we still do not exceed the stars. Oga there are gazillions of stars. We only got 7.5 billion humans. Something is not being accounted for. quote author=xproducer post=94130631]I believe that GOD was referring to all true believers (national Jews and others from all nations, i.e., Gentiles), in the Lord JESUS CHRIST... the spiritual Israel of GOD.

"And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham." - Galatians 3:8-9

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"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God." - Romans 2:28-29

Tcwork:
If I get u, ur point is as long as 20 million is plenty, the promise has been fulfilled. So if I promise u 100 billion naira and I give you 20 million have I kept my promise?
Be honest with yourself.
No one is calling God a liar. I was only hoping to get people who understand better to contribute. Unfortunately you are not helping.

As many as strong as a lion, does it mean that I would have the exact strength of a lion?

As tall as a tree, does it mean that I and the tree will be of the same height.

You have need to understand the concept of similes or imageries?

A man who does have a child knows that his line and lineage is terminated upon his death and he shall be remembered no more.

So when that man is told "Don't worry, No One will stop calling your name for you shall always have children and your line will never end" when he had a child, and the child had 2 and the 2 had many, will that man not be happy?

Now, when those children are so much that they are a country unto themselves, in their Father's Name is the Promise not fulfilled?

Further, what you also do not know (which I am not going to proceed any further) is that any one who like Ruth, takes up the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and has cleansed himself, is now a son of Abraham, hence the song "Abraham's Blessings are mine".

Same reason why Christ said "who are my brethren (brothers)?"

So count now, how many serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? And How many follow Christ and have been following Him?

Are we many enough for you to consider that we are many as simile of the stars?

[So your point is its an exaggeration right? author=Dtruthspeaker post=94146255]

9As many as strong as a lion, does it mean that I would have the exact strength of a lion?

As tall as a tree, does it mean that I and the tree will be of the same height.

You have need to understand the concept of similes or imageries?

A man who does have a child knows that his line and lineage is terminated upon his death and he shall be remembered no more.

So when that man is told "Don't worry, No One will stop calling your name for you shall always have children and your line will never end" when he had a child, and the child had 2 and the 2 had many, will that man not be happy?

Now, when those children are so much that they are a country unto themselves, in their Father's Name is the Promise not fulfilled?

Further, what you also do not know (which I am not going to proceed any further) is that any one who like Ruth, takes up the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and has cleansed himself, is now a son of Abraham, hence the song "Abraham's Blessings are mine".

Same reason why Christ said "who are my brethren (brothers)?"

So count now, how many serve the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? And How many follow Christ and have been following Him?

Are we many enough for you to consider that we are many as simile of the stars?

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It's seems you are implying that it was just a figure of speech. That the Lord was basically exaggerating.
Now I ask how do we know other promised blessings in the bible are not also like this one?