Blabbermouth:

Dearly beloved, it is of much necessity to know what kind of Being Christ Jesus is in heaven. It is right if anyone claims Christ Jesus is a "spirit being" in heaven, for of truth, the Christ is one of these spirit beings - God, Angel or Man. We are only hitting the tree leaves by sticking to the superficial, nay, let us go for the root!

The risen Lord Jesus Christ is the paradigm of our future existence, the baking pan of every man that shall rise again unto eternal life. Whatever he is, is exactly what the ressurected one shall become. For when we were sons of Adam (who was our baking pan), we all (leaving no one exempted) became what Adam was - short of God's glory and subjected to death. Now, as we are of the last Adam (Christ Jesus) thus shall we be in image, in essence and nature of who he is.
This truth was confirmed in the scriptures as written -

Philippians 3:20-21
.......We are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ; Who will transform our humble body to be like his glorious body by His great power.....

Another writer unctioned by the spirit of truth put it in another way saying
1 John 3:2
We are now children of God,..........; We will be like him because we will see him just as he is

Paul also said - As we have borne the image of the earthy (of Adam the father of Abel) , We shall also bear the image of the heavenly (of Jésù Christí)

If Christ then being the first of the ressurected lives as an angel forever, what then shall the other ressurected be like?
Angels!

Be it the 144,000 or the ones to inhabit the earth, they all shall be pure angelic creatures just like Gabriel.
Thus, no man shall remain!

Is this the salvation Jehovah has declared? (If So, is God a liar?)

Was the plan to create man and convert him to an angelic creature later?

Now you see haddeylium, we are like train coaches having a single head - If Christ Jesus rose as an angelic creature, every man will also rise as Angels and the Man creature will be done away with forever.

Do you know the implication of the above? Let's not go there, it promises to be messy and heartbreaking.

This is the 1st of the numerous blunders, errors, and implication of Christ being raised up as an angelic creature just like Gabriel.

Haddeylium, do you still hold the belief that Christ Jesus ressurected as an angelic creature just like Gabriel?

If you don't, go on and tell me what he ressurected as.
If you still do, be ready to call Jehovah a Liar, joker, and an unjust God with your doctrines.

Blabbermouth, the much you know, the more you see.

You prove nothing against what you've learnt today!
Really, I would employed you to look for Jw in your area for the accurate knowledge.
These lessons are just the basis a Jw toddler would know. no joke.
There are people that would have earthly resurrection and heavenly resurrection

But for those with heavenly and with regards with the Epistles you've written up there..look at what Jesus have to say:

Lk 20:34-36
Jesus said to them: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.+ 36 In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection

Do I need to explain further?

AkinwaleJJ:


Trinitarians fabricated various contradicting definitions but it's all tailored to the same point:- "Jesus is no part of God's creation" Anyhow you put it doesn't matter, as long as you hold the idea that Jesus wasn't created you're a Trinitarian!

Jesus was created!
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

haddeylium:



Blabbermouth, the much you know, the more you see.

You prove nothing against what you've learnt today!
Really, I would employed you to look for Jw in your area for the accurate knowledge.
These lessons are just the basis a Jw toddler would know. no joke.
There are people that would have earthly resurrection and heavenly resurrection

But for those with heavenly and with regards with the Epistles you've written up there..look at what Jesus have to say:

Lk 20:34-36
Jesus said to them: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.+ 36 In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection

Do I need to explain further?

He is just playing the hide and seek stuff!

No matter how clear your comment and post, all what Blabbermouth doesn't want is telling the source of your wisdom!

Blabbermouth:

Jesus was created!
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

The highlighted is where all arguements is coming from!

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Truth has finally caught up with falsehood today, there will be nowhere for it to hide and it shall be pruned.

haddeylium:

Blabbermouth, the much you know, the more you see.
You prove nothing against what you've learnt today!
Really, I would employed you to look for Jw in your area for the accurate knowledge.
These lessons are just the basis a Jw toddler would know. no joke.

Okay?

There are people that would have earthly resurrection and heavenly resurrection

Even if this has no solid scriptural backing, I will accommodate it for now.

But for those with heavenly and with regards with the Epistles you've written up there..look at what Jesus have to say:

Lk 20:34-36
Jesus said to them: “The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, 35 but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.+ 36 In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection

Read in-between the lines, Jesus said "They are (For your convenience, we will call them the " Heavenly resurrected " ) LIKE angels".... He never said they WILL BE angels! He never said they ARE Angels!
This is simple English here - I am LIKE Lionel Messi does not make me Messi! The word LIKE shows that there is a similarity between me and Messi. The word LIKE shows that there is a similarity between the heavenly ressurected and the angels.
Did Jesus Mention What that similarity is?
Yes! He said
1. Just like the Angels of Heaven, the Heavenly ressurected will never die!

2. Just like the Angels of Heaven, the Heavenly ressurected will not marry!

Are you now saying the heavenly ressurected will become angelic creatures?

Someone is about to make God a liar. Go on sir, make the claim yourself - Call the heavenly ressurected angelic creatures!
1. Let's see how you won't call God a liar.
2. Be ready, you will also need to write a whole new Bible

AkinwaleJJ:

The highlighted is where all arguements is coming from!

Was the Holy spirit created?

AkinwaleJJ:
Trinitarians fabricated various contradicting definitions but it's all tailored to the same point:- "Jesus is no part of God's creation" Anyhow you put it doesn't matter, as long as you hold the idea that Jesus wasn't created you're a Trinitarian!

I am not a Trinitarian, Bournemouth, isn't one either, conventional biblical wisdom let's us know that Yahshua Ha Maschiach aka Jesus Christ was not created, because He is the Self Existent God incarnate.

Blabbermouth:
Jesus was created!
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

AkinwaleJJ:
The highlighted is where all arguements is coming from!

Its You arguing in ignorance

Blabbermouth:

Was the Holy spirit created?

Capital NO, the Holy Spirit was/is not created

1/ Why do you think Holy Spirit is/was created?
2/ What to your understanding sef, is the Holy Spirit?
3/ What to your understanding is the function of the Holy Spirit within the Godhead, lmso?
4/ Explain to the best of your understanding, what is the relationship of the Holy Spirit with and/or between God, the Father and the Son of God, Yahshua Ha Maschiach aka Jesus Christ?
5/ Why is there the qualifier "Holy" in the phrase "Holy Spirit"?

PS: I'll re-respond to your earlier post that I haven't yet got to doing asap. Remember I mistakenly deleted the earlier finish post while trying to optimise my browser

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Lol.
First you concluded that those that are to be resurrected are to be angel after you examined these verses you posted

Philippians 3:20-21.......We are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ; Who will transform our humble body to be like his[/b]glorious body by His great power.....

Another writer unctioned by the spirit of truth put it in another way saying
1 John 3:2
We are now children of God,..........; We will [b]be like him [/b]because we will see him just as he is

Shebi...You saw to 'be like him' in yours and you're cool with the comparison now


when I showed you they "will be like Angel'.. of Luke
you're getting emotional
Atleast be consistent with your argument

[b]Matthew 22:30
30for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.

You don't shadowbox here ...

MuttleyLaff:
I am not a Trinitarian, Bournemouth, isn't one either, conventional biblical wisdom let's us know that Yahshua Ha Maschiach aka Jesus Christ was not created, because He is the Self Existent God incarnate.

Your bold claim of "He (Jesus Christ) is the self existent God incarnate" has no solid scriptural backing. The best we can get is "assumptions, maybe, what if, it is most likely" kind of proof.

Capital NO, the Holy Spirit was/is not created

Alright.

1/ Why do you think Holy Spirit is/was created?

I never said the Holy spirit was created or claim otherwise.

2/ What to your understanding sef, is the Holy Spirit?

I will be writing a book if I were to answer this...
For now, we can all settle with - the Holy spirit is the spirit of God.

3/ What to your understanding is the function of the Holy Spirit within the Godhead, lmso?

Which Godhead? The Trinity? Sorry Bro, I don't buy the incarnation or simultaneous personality idea.

4/ Explain to the best of your understanding, what is the relationship of the Holy Spirit with and/or between God, the Father and the Son of God, Yahshua Ha Maschiach aka Jesus Christ?

(I would have answered differently)
The holy spirit is God's spirit (relationship BTW God and Holy spirit)
"The Spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to say preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of prison to them that are bound" - Yeshua Ha Maschiach

5/ Why is there the qualifier "Holy" in the phrase "Holy Spirit"?

Because it is the spirit of the Holy one.

Answer this please - there is an angel called the ANGEL OF THE LORD'S PRESENCE, what do you know of him?

PS: I'll re-respond to your earlier post that I haven't yet got to doing asap. Remember I mistakenly deleted the earlier finish post while trying to optimise my browser

Lákô lákô ni mó wà bí íbõn.

Haddeylium:
Lol.
First you concluded that those that are to be resurrected are to be angel after you examined these verses you posted

This is not my stance, it is yours! I am asking you to confirm it as yours or deny it.

Philippians 3:20-21.......We are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ; Who will transform our humble body to be like his[/b]glorious body by His great power.....

Another writer unctioned by the spirit of truth put it in another way saying
1 John 3:2
We are now children of God,..........; We will [b]be like him [/b]because we will see him just as he is

Shebi...You saw to 'be like him' in yours and you're cool with the comparison now

Confirm your stance please. We used a base-factor that Christ Jesus is now an angelic creature forever (according to you), that is why the onus is on you to confirm the implication -the Heavenly ressurected as angelic creatures.
No escape for falsehood today, the best it can do is vanish into thin air.

when I showed you they "will be like Angel'.. of Luke cheesy
you're getting emotional
Atleast be consistent with your argument
[b]Matthew 22:30
30for in the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.
You don't shadowbox here ... grin

You can't run from the truth. Confirm it first and let falsehood meet its waterloo.

Blabbermouth:

Was the Holy spirit created?

Do you mean God's active force?

don't have the desire to argue

I believe you would have loved to discuss but not argue so let's concentrate on what the scriptures teaches.

AkinwaleJJ:

Do you mean God's active force?

Well, I should ask - is that your definition of the Holy Spirit? It is an active force?
If so, please elaborate what you mean by the - "active force"

I believe you would have loved to discuss but not argue so let's concentrate on what the scriptures teaches.

Alright, I'm with you.

Blabbermouth:

Well, I should ask - is that your definition of the Holy Spirit? It is an active force?
If so, please elaborate what you mean by the - "active force"

The phrase "active force" is used by some Bible students because anytime the holy spirit is mentioned, it always about God getting involved directly in any situation. So these Bible students concluded that the holy spirit must be the "force" God sends out to get things done!
God is a spirit not human, as fleshy creatures we pick something up with our hands, we kick with our foot, we speak with our mouth all these we accomplish with different parts of our body, but spirits doesn't have such body parts, they sends out some form of force to accomplish whatever they want to do. Hence the Bible students agreed that the holy spirit God uses to accomplish so many different things as mentioned in the Bible were accomplished by his ACTIVE FORCE or HOLY SPIRIT, the word HOLY calls to mind when we remember what is pure, hence God's holy spirit is only noticed where things having to do with God's will is the subject matter!

Alright, I'm with you.

The truth doesn't confuse those having it, in fact those having it speaks with one voice anytime anywhere!

AkinwaleJJ:

The phrase "active force" is used by some Bible students because anytime the holy spirit is mentioned, it always about God getting involved directly in any situation. So these Bible students concluded that the holy spirit must be the "force" God sends out to get things done!

Hmmm, I see.

God is a spirit not human, as fleshy creatures we pick something up with our hands, we kick with our foot, we speak with our mouth all these we accomplish with different parts of our body, but spirits doesn't have such body parts, they sends out some form of force to accomplish whatever they want to do. Hence the Bible students agreed that the holy spirit God uses to accomplish so many different things as mentioned in the Bible were accomplished by his ACTIVE FORCE or HOLY SPIRIT.

I get you.

the word HOLY calls to mind when we remember what is pure, hence God's holy spirit is only noticed where things having to do with God's will is the subject matter!

That's nice.
That is to say - God's holy spirit is not a person, it is an active force, right?

Blabbermouth:
Your bold claim of "He (Jesus Christ) is the self existent God incarnate" has no solid scriptural backing. The best we can get is "assumptions, maybe, what if, it is most likely" kind of proof.

"All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign.
Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’)"
- Isaiah 7:14

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son,
and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
(i.e. they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated, “God with us.)"
- Isaiah 7:14

Blabbermouth:
Alright.

Smiles

Blabbermouth:
I never said the Holy spirit was created or claim otherwise.

I never said you did. I seized the opportunity to ask pedestrian Blabbermouth the question, but hey why not put the record straight here. Do you reckon Holy spirit was created or not created, lmso?

Blabbermouth:
I will be writing a book if I were to answer this...
For now, we can all settle with - the Holy spirit is the spirit of God.

I love reading books.

Did you have to repeat "spirit" twice in your "the Holy spirit is the spirit of God" contrived answer ni, lmso? Once is enough. You and your game of unnecessary playing the duplication card sha, lmso, smh

Blabbermouth:
Which Godhead? The Trinity? Sorry Bro, I don't buy the incarnation or simultaneous personality idea.

The Godhead, that is a mystery, the same just as is personal name is a mystery, is the Godhead I am referring to and talking about here, lmso

Will you stop regularly introducing trinity in conversations with me please

I am not peddling trinity. How many times do I have to keep reminding you that I dont put trinity up for sale, hmm, smh lmso?

Now, what's your understanding of what incarnation and reincarnation are, lmso?

Blabbermouth:
(I would have answered differently)
The holy spirit is God's spirit (relationship BTW God and Holy spirit)
"The Spirit of the LORD GOD is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to say preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of prison to them that are bound" - Yeshua Ha Maschiach

You think with this smartarse answer, you're being clever and half, lmso, abi? OK, prodding you further, what to the best of your understanding, using ONE word, is this relationship of the Holy Spirit with and/or between God, the Father and the Son of God, Yahshua Ha Maschiach aka Jesus Christ, that you've quoted Isaiah 66:1 or could even say Luke 4:18, hmm?

By the way, its Yahshua Ha Maschiach, and not Yeshua Ha Maschiach. Think of Yahweh, and not Yehweh, lmso

Blabbermouth:
Because it is the spirit of the Holy one.

You again think with this smartarse answer you're being clever and half, lmso, abi? OK, prodding you further, what to the best of your understanding, is the meaning of the qualifier word "Holy" in the phrase "Holy Spirit"?

Blabbermouth:
Answer this please - there is an angel called the ANGEL OF THE LORD'S PRESENCE, what do you know of him?

I already answered that, with a lot more other issues I addressed in that your earlier, I now have to rework from memory all I said in that post. Be patient, hold on to your knickers, I'll get round to notifying you once I've re-posted or reloaded it, lmso

Blabbermouth:
Lákô lákô ni mó wà bí íbõn.

Do you know how to clean guns, to prevent jamming and malfunctioning, lmso, hmm?

Blabbermouth:

Hmmm, I see.

I get you.

That's nice.
That is to say - God's holy spirit is not a person, it is an active force, right?

YES!
Some Bible students thought the holy spirit is a person because Jesus used the pronoun "HE" for God's holy spirit several times, but this is so because after Jesus' resurrection he now sends out his force to accomplish God's will to continue from where he stops, so it was as if Jesus is still with his followers even when he's not bodily present. Matt 28:20
As one sitted beside God's throne and having all the authority in heaven and on earth [Matt 28:18] God has handed over everything to Jesus, so even while on his sit beside God Jesus now has the privilege to send out the same form of force to accomplish what God taught him! John 14:26
That's why Jesus referred to this coming force as "HE" but the force is not a person!

MaxInDHouse:


Hen nah, then why are you now saying people must become born again before they can accept Jesus' teachings when those first century Jews accepted his counseling without being born again?
This your stupidity is getting worse by the day o!

They were fed with what they could receive. Besides, they had an open mind unlike the Jehovah Witness that approaches God's word with a pre conceived opinion.

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This is not my stance, it is yours! I am asking you to confirm it as yours or deny it.[quote]

I'll take this as you don't anything else to say!

I've made clear my stance regarding Jesus heavenly role with Bible references..

What is your stance?
Simple and straightforward

MaxInDHouse:
See confusion!

When we told you that you guys are deluded, you'll flare up to argue blindly.
If you go by the highlighted, was Thomas born again when Jesus presented a materialised body with wounds to make him (Thomas) believe in the resurrection of the Christ?

Is it not after they became Born Again that Paul later understood that Jesus resurrected as a spirit?

Walahi Talahi you guys are clowns!

Well you're partially right, only born again Christians can grasp these sacred secrets, that's why Jesus said to (his yet to become Born Again) followers "I still have many things to tell you but you can't grasp them now, but However when the spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all the truth" {John 16:12-13} So how do you now depend on what Jesus used to convince those who can't understand this sacred secrets to judge the truth?
Funny religionsists!

Ken4Christ:
The first step is to be born again. The second step is you receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

MaxInDHouse:
So by the time Jesus' few followers stick to his teachings when majority of them left {John 6:66} those 12 has become born again shey?
Yet Jesus later said about those who stick to him "i still have other things that i need to tell you but you can't grasp it all now" are you saying they are born again by then yet they can't grasp the deep things?

Ken4Christ:
They were not born again. They were fed with milk. The strong meat are contained in Pauline epistles. Even Apostle Peter commented on it. Only those who are born again and filled with the Holy Spirit can understand the epistles of Apostle Paul. He was the only Apostle that was given deep revelation concerning the new creation.

MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah, then why are you now saying people must become born again before they can accept Jesus' teachings when those first century Jews accepted his counseling without being born again?
This your stupidity is getting worse by the day o!

Please this question is particularly shot at Ken4Christ and MaxInDHouse formerly known as Maximus69. Other interested interlocutor are invited to dive in, but please give your answers in the same way the questions are numbered and styled:

1/ Was Nicodemus born again?
2/ How many times, did Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ teach, preach or explain "born again"?
3/ What exactly is "born again"?
4/ How according to Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, exactly is anyone deemed to be "born again"?
5/ Why did Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, bring up in the middle of the night, an unplanned tabled discussion of "born again" with just one clandestine person in attendance, lmso?

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Ken4Christ:

They were fed with what they could receive. Besides, they had an open mind unlike the Jehovah Witness that approaches God's word with a pre conceived opinion.

So go out there and feed people with what they could receive, instead of threatening them with Hellfire when you can't convince them!
I was a Muslim who have been hearing about the Hellfire from kid but when the JWs came and i listened to what they've got, i was convinced from the bottom of my heart that this is the truth.
I lived wayward life back then yet this threat of Hellfire couldn't change me, but the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Haylel:
Haddeylium, you are running away, that's not what the truth does, truth shines before scrunity.

You claimed Jesus is an angelic creature and I asked you (from the implication of your answer):
Are the heavenly ressurected also angelic creatures?
No bible verses needed, just your confirmation.

They will be like angels in that, they will be having a spiritual body with immortality
They will rule with Jesus as King on the Earth for 1000yrs!

MaxInDHouse:


So go out there and feed people with what they could receive, instead of threatening them with Hellfire when you can't convince them!
I was a Muslim who have been hearing about the Hellfire from kid but when the JWs came and i listened to what they've got, i was convinced from the bottom of my heart that this is the truth.
I lived wayward life back then yet this threat of Hellfire couldn't change me, but the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses!

That's why I would eternally be grateful to be one!

They worship their gods out of fear of being roasted in the Hellfire.
Jehovah's witnesses, Out of LOVE

haddeylium:



That's why I would eternally be grateful to be one!

They worship their gods out of fear of being roasted in the Hellfire.
Jehovah's witnesses, Out of LOVE

Please sound aloud again my brother!

We worship Jehovah because we have come to love the one who first love us! 1John 4:19

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Haylel:

Yes, they will be like angels in some aspect - no problem.
What kind of being are they? Gods, Angels or Men?
Truth has caught up with the erroneous teachings of falsehood today.

The are now angels nah!

God transformed Jesus into a human promised to transform the born again Christians into angels simple!

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Haylel:

Yes, they will be like angels in some aspect - no problem.
What kind of being are they? Gods, Angels or Men?
Truth has caught up with the erroneous teachings of falsehood today.

You jumped into the conversation
Honestly, I don't see your point.
State your stance. I've made mine clearly

As a trinitarian, Jesus is the almighty God and not Angel shebi?
Following your logics, Those to be resurrected would be Almighty God yea!?

Haylel:

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Is this what God's salvation is to JW Turning humans to angelic creatures?
No problem, I will be back.

The highlighted is what makes you guys clowns!

Just see how quickly you can mention the name of a religious group and confident that all their members globally believe the same thing, but what about you?
What do you believe?
And who share your line of thought?
Obviously you're part of those who are scattered {Luke 11:23} so you're nowhere to be found!

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Haylel:

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Is it so heavy to call the ressurected ones "pure angelic creatures" as your doctrine claims?

I don't know I would have to spoon-feed you this way..
I usually allow my students to use their power of reasoning!

Locate a Jw to educate from the Basis today!

That's why I take my time to define what angel is before going into conversation with blabbermouth
"Any spirit creatures that are son of God are called Angels"

if those to be resurrected will be a spirit creatures and children of God?
what does that makes them?
(Now, Use that power of reasoning)


Now, following blabbermouth's logic of whatever Jesus is, those to be resurrected should be (with his explanation of the scriptures he quoted)

As Jesus is now almighty God, those to be resurrected should be Almighty Gods shebi?