Daddyfreeze who earlier disagreed with pastor Paul Enenche(Dunamis International) that elders should not be rebuked by the congregation further explains to the pastor how rebuking elders works in Christianity.

He said, rebuking a church elder with respect is scriptural and rebuking harshly is a sin but that lions would not come eat you like it did for a prophet in the old testament.that we are in a Christian dispensation.



1 timothy 5:20 (niv)
But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning.


Watch below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhwMzhVv4LQ

I'll read comments.

Hmmnn

Freeze 1-0 Enenche. Next round please.

Freeze, keep keeping them on their toes.

I understand the hate for him because nobody has had the effrontery or guts to correct , counter and straighten out many of the things they have been feeding the people for a long time.

Freeze is doing the Lord's work
I Stan !!

make I tell you wetin happen for abule

You can only rebuke where you have authority . Only Ignorant folks are hailing Daddy Freeze.
Peter Messed up in Paul's church. As the Pastor there he had juridction to correct error under his leadership.

It is different from ignorant rebbels running around and calling their fathers mate bastards . Because they using Paul to justify their lack of home training.

Every man of God who rebuke in the bible functioned in an offce of authority.

petra1:

You can only rebuke where you have authority . Only Ignorant folks are hailing Daddy Freeze.
Peter Messed up in Paul's church. As the Pastor there he had juridction to correct error under his leadership.

It is different from ignorant rebbels running around and calling their fathers mate bastards . Because they using Paul to justify their lack of home training.

Every man of God who rebuke in the bible functioned in an offce of authority.

But didn't Jesus rebuke the pharisees which were the leaders of religion and were by far older? Peter also threw shades at the writings of Paul.
And pls show us were it is written that you cannot rebuke if u don't have authority.

genkins:


But didn't Jesus rebuke the pharisees which were the leaders of religion and were by far older?

Jesus was a Prophet . He functionee in an office . A prophet can judge nation, kings etc .

1 Corinthians 2:15
. . But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Peter also threw shades at the writings of Paul.

Explain

And pls show us were it is written that you cannot rebuke if u don't have authority.

You must have authority to rebuke


Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

And can you show me where the bible day members can rebuke Pastors

petra1:


Jesus was a Prophet . He functionee in an office . A prophet can judge nation, kings etc .

1 Corinthians 2:15
. . But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.




Explain



You must have authority to rebuke


Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

And can you show me where the bible day members can rebuke Pastors

You see your problem eh? How do I explain to you that a pastor is not the head of the church?

You quoted Titus 2:15..that one should rebuke with all authority.. Dont you understand that authority here is derived from the scriptures and not office/earthly administrative office in a church establishment?

You quoted Roman 14:4..you guys don't read in context. You cannot judge another man's servant.. Meaning you cannot judge sango or ifa worshippers but you can judge a fellow Christian as a Christian yourself.

You quoted 1cor 2:15..

15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,

From above if you read in context you will understand that the judgment spoken of here is you being in the spirit and not being swayed by human interpretation or human knowledge to things.
The KJV you guys read is what is confusing you.read the NIV above again and you will see that the meaning is different.Kjv is the Bible with the most errors.

1 timothy 5:20(Niv) tells you to rebuke an elder and the authority is the scriptures.

genkins:


You see your problem eh? How do I explain to you that a pastor is not the head of the church?

You’re wrong . The head of local assembly is the pastor there .

1 Corinthians 4:15-16 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Who Else in the congregation could have been senior to Paul . Kindly show us from scripture

You quoted Titus 2:15..that one should rebuke with all authority.. Dont you understand that authority here is derived from the scriptures and not office/earthly administrative office in a church establishment?


Titus was sent to Pastor that church . So he rebuked by his Pastoral authority just as Paul would do.

You quoted Roman 14:4..you guys don't read in context. You cannot judge another man's servant.. Meaning you cannot judge sango or ifa worshippers but you can judge a fellow Christian as a Christian yourself.

Wrong ! It means if a man does what he does by his Biblical conviction in his doctrine you can’t judge him . He has right to his conviction

You quoted 1cor 2:15..

15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,

From above if you read in context you will understand that the judgment spoken of here is you being in the spirit and not being swayed by human interpretation or human knowledge to things.

It doesn’t matter the translation . The principle remains

1 timothy 5:20(Niv) tells you to rebuke an elder and the authority is the scriptures.

A pastor can rebuke elders under him . He is their spiritual father . Paul can rebuke Timothy and Timothy can rebuke members or
Leaders who are his Surbodinates . Paul instructed Timothy And Titus to appoint indiciduals as elders to start with .

Titus 1:5 (KJV)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

petra1:


You’re wrong . The head of local assembly is the pastor there .

1 Corinthians 4:15-16 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Who Else in the congregation could have been senior to Paul . Kindly show us from scripture

You quoted Titus 2:15..that one should rebuke with all authority.. Dont you understand that authority here is derived from the scriptures and not office/earthly administrative office in a church establishment?


Titus was sent to Pastor that church . So he rebuked by his Pastoral authority just as Paul would do.



Wrong ! It means if a man does what he does by his Biblical conviction in his doctrine you can’t judge him . He has right to his conviction



It doesn’t matter the translation . The principle remains



A pastor can rebuke elders under him . He is their spiritual father . Paul can rebuke Timothy and Timothy can rebuke members or
Leaders who are his Surbodinates . Paul instructed Timothy And Titus to appoint indiciduals as elders to start with .

Titus 1:5 (KJV)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

Let me shut you once and for all with this scripture..

Matt 23:9

And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

Those are the words of christ. Tell me that you take the words of Paul over christ. Maybe you are a paulian not a Christian.

In Christianity, there is nothing like spiritual father apart from God in heaven. Paul made many mistakes but our foundation is in christ and not Paul.

As for all your other points, there are laughable. U sound like all those people that went to Bible school where they brainwash you with stupid talk of seniority in church. I bet you woundnt even know that where you goto worship on Sunday is not a church. You wouldn't know that. You are immersed in the establishment called church.

Your interpretation of Romans 14:4 is funny but scary.. It has aligned with the principle of Satanism - do what thou wilt.

petra1:


You’re wrong . The head of local assembly is the pastor there .

1 Corinthians 4:15-16 (KJV)
15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

Who Else in the congregation could have been senior to Paul . Kindly show us from scripture

You quoted Titus 2:15..that one should rebuke with all authority.. Dont you understand that authority here is derived from the scriptures and not office/earthly administrative office in a church establishment?


Titus was sent to Pastor that church . So he rebuked by his Pastoral authority just as Paul would do.



Wrong ! It means if a man does what he does by his Biblical conviction in his doctrine you can’t judge him . He has right to his conviction



It doesn’t matter the translation . The principle remains



A pastor can rebuke elders under him . He is their spiritual father . Paul can rebuke Timothy and Timothy can rebuke members or
Leaders who are his Surbodinates . Paul instructed Timothy And Titus to appoint indiciduals as elders to start with .

Titus 1:5 (KJV)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

so who rebukes paul?

Freshboi87:


so who rebukes paul?

He will say we should leave Paul to God. He is a product of a failed pentecostal enterprise

genkins:


He will say we should leave Paul to God. He is a product of a failed pentecostal enterprise

Dude is all shades of brainless

Freshboi87:


Dude is all shades of brainless

That's how they brainwash them by saying there is hierarchy In church.. That a senior pastor can rebuke a junior pastor but only the General Overseer can rebuke a senior pastor.

The General Overseer can do what he like as it is only God that can caution him..

I laugh in swahili

genkins:


That's how they brainwash them by saying there is hierarchy In church.. That a senior pastor can rebuke a junior pastor but only the General Overseer can rebuke a senior pastor.

The General Overseer can do what he like as it is only God that can caution him..

I laugh in swahili

Mumu people.....they have all been brainwashed.

genkins:


That's how they brainwash them by saying there is hierarchy In church.. That a senior pastor can rebuke a junior pastor but only the General Overseer can rebuke a senior pastor.

The General Overseer can do what he like as it is only God that can caution him..

I laugh in swahili

The one man Church/Penticostal churches is the sole business of the founder so he takes the decisions(docman) while others follow, no members can ask him questions even when some of his decisions are wrong..... They will always say you are free to leave no matter how much you have contributed.....,.

Freshboi87:


so who rebukes paul?

The lord

genkins:

Let me shut you once and for all with this scripture..

Ok try

Matt 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

Those are the words of christ. Tell me that you take the words of Paul over christ. Maybe you are a paulian not a Christian. In Christianity, there is nothing like spiritual father apart from God in heaven. Paul made many mistakes but our foundation is in christ and not Paul.[/b]

It means you misunderstood the word of christ.

Exodus 20:12
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long

Mar 10:18 — Mar 10:19
And Jesus said unto him. . . Honour thy father and mother.

God is not author of confusion..

for all your other points, there are laughable. U sound like all those people that went to Bible school where they brainwash you with stupid talk of seniority in church

After you finish the laughableness . Read my post again with open heart. You will see light

you woundnt even know that where you goto worship on Sunday is not a church. You wouldn't know that.

1 Corinthians 16:2 MSG
Every Sundayeach of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal

You are immersed in the establishment called church

Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is

Your interpretation of Romans 14:4 is funny but scary.. It has aligned with the principle of Satanism - do what thou wilt.

2 Corinthians 13:8
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth

If you cant take the bible for what it says then there's a serious problem . Its time for you to question what they taught you . Supposing they are wrong.

petra1:


Ok try



It means you misunderstood the word of christ.

Exodus 20:12
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long

Mar 10:18 — Mar 10:19
And Jesus said unto him. . . Honour thy father and mother.

God is not author of confusion..



After you finish the laughableness . Read my post again with open heart. You will see light



1 Corinthians 16:2 MSG
Every Sundayeach of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal




Hebrews 10:25
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is




2 Corinthians 13:8
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth

If you cant take the bible for what it says then there's a serious problem . Its time for you to question what they taught you . Supposing they are wrong.

Am even embarrassed that I'm teaching you when you think not forsaking That gathering of the brethren as advised by Paul means church... Am thoroughly embarrassed that honor thy father and mother in means to u spiritual father and mother.. Am embarrassed.
Christian toddler

genkins:

Am even embarrassed that I'm teaching you when you think not forsaking That gathering of the brethren as advised by Paul means church.

Kindly Yell us what it means then . While you're telling it read other translations

Hebrews 10:25
not avoiding worshiping together as some do but spurring each other on, especially as we see the big Day approaching.

.. Am thoroughly embarrassed that honor thy father and mother in means to u spiritual father and mother.

You should be rather embarrassed by your lack of comprehension. And misquoting my post

.

Am embarrassed .Christian toddler

You don't have to continue to be an embarrassed Christian todler.

I have NEVER seen Pastor Paul Enenche involved in any scandal or mess, so i cannot understand why he brought himself into Freeze's drama. Not necesary at all.

LilMissFavvy:
I have NEVER seen Pastor Paul Enenche involved in any scandal or mess, so i cannot understand why he brought himself into Freeze's drama. Not necesary at all.

What other scandal is worst than selling the gospel of Christ? what other scandal is worst than scamming the guilible Nigerians?
By their fruits you shall know them........

He is involved because he feels threatened by Freeze's messages exposing their criminal activities, .....using Church as cover up their criminal activities

How can he feel threatened when he has lived his life till his elderly age, and has never been involved in scandals.what exactly do you mean by threatened? The last few times i saw him in the news, it was all about helping the needy.

desiredhome:

What other scandal is worst than selling the gospel of Christ? what other scandal is worst than scamming the guilible Nigerians?
By their fruits you shall know them........

He is involved because he feels threatened by Freeze's message exposing their criminal activities, using Church as cover up their criminal activities

petra1:


Kindly Yell us what it means then . While you're telling it read other translations

Hebrews 10:25
not avoiding worshiping together as some do but spurring each other on, especially as we see the big Day approaching.



You should be rather embarrassed by your lack of comprehension. And misquoting my post

.

You don't have to continue to be an embarrassed Christian todler.

I am embarrassed by what u wrote up there.its your type that thinks only people that goto church events on Sunday will make heaven.
It's your type that thinks moslems and all other religions will goto hell.
It's your type that thinks you can subscribe God like Dstv Monthly with your 10%.
Its your type that thinks there is something called spiritual father here on earth.
It's your type that thinks Abraham, David, Solomon and malachi were Christians Because thier names featured in the Bible.
It's your type that cannot differentiate BTW Bible and scriptures.
It's your type that does not know the Bible contains two religions..
It's your type that doesnt know that you and your pastor are equal in the eyes of God and that church hierarchy is purely administrative and not spiritual.

It's your type that will think honor your father and mother refers to your pastor instead of your earthy parents.

Such brainwashing.lol

You see why I will continue being embarrassed

genkins:


I am embarrassed by what u wrote up there

Truth can embarrass ignorance

petra1:


Truth can embarrass ignorance

You mean this crass ignorance you call truth?


I am embarrassed by what u wrote up there.its your type that thinks only people that goto church events on Sunday will make heaven.
It's your type that thinks moslems and all other religions will goto hell.
It's your type that thinks you can subscribe God like Dstv Monthly with your 10%.
Its your type that thinks there is something called spiritual father here on earth.
It's your type that thinks Abraham, David, Solomon and malachi were Christians Because thier names featured in the Bible.
It's your type that cannot differentiate BTW Bible and scriptures.
It's your type that does not know the Bible contains two religions..
It's your type that doesnt know that you and your pastor are equal in the eyes of God and that church hierarchy is purely administrative and not spiritual.

It's your type that will think honor your father and mother refers to your pastor instead of your earthy parents.

Such brainwashing.lol

You see why I will continue being embarrassed

doggedfighter:
Freeze, keep keeping them on their toes.

I understand the hate for him because nobody has had the effrontery or guts to correct , counter and straighten out many of the things they have been feeding the people for a long time.

Freeze is doing the Lord's work
I Stan !!

Doing the lords work by saying people shouldn't tithe. You must be another one commissioned from the outermost darkness.

Mr Man, nobody says you can't argue your points or criticize. But by the time you start cursing a Man of God openly who is old enough to be your biological father then know it you have missed the point.
Feel free to criticize, but going further to abuse Bishop Oyedepo by calling him a bald headed fowl publicly should be off your statements.
It's that abuse that warranted the Pastors rebuke and not your criticism. That kind of abuse and insult puts a curse on you. Nice you apologized so please be respectful in your criticisms henceforth!

genkins:


You mean crass ignorance...


I am embarrassed by what u wrote up there.its your type that thinks only people that goto church events on Sunday will make heaven.
It's your type that thinks moslems and all other religions will goto hell.
It's your type that thinks you can subscribe God like Dstv Monthly with your 10%.
Its your type that thinks there is something called spiritual father here on earth.
It's your type that thinks Abraham, David, Solomon and malachi were Christians Because thier names featured in the Bible.
It's your type that cannot differentiate BTW Bible and scriptures.
It's your type that does not know the Bible contains two religions..
It's your type that doesnt know that you and your pastor are equal in the eyes of God and that church hierarchy is purely administrative and not spiritual.

It's your type that will think honor your father and mother refers to your pastor instead of your earthy parents.

Such brainwashing.lol

You see why I will continue being embarrassed

You should be embarrassed as long as you cannot explain yourself from scriptures.

CodeTemplar:
Doing the lords work by saying people shouldn't tithe. You must be another one commissioned from the outermost darkness.

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