Sobasojek:

Have you ever seen a Yoruba man bear Benin name?

Cultist, give me a yes or no answer

Etinosa1234:


Yes when u can Tel me the surname , village and morning greetings of ur "friend"

Etinosa1234:


See ur dead brain logic

Benin person bearing Yoruba name makes them Yoruba but Yoruba person bearing English name doesn't make them English...

Guy u go stupid for real life oo

Etinosa1234:


See tears all in one post...

Pls who's our?

There is also skull mining in Ogun state... What have you done for it..... The Lagos prostitute are mainly Yoruba pple, where did u think pple know that Yoruba gals nor dey wash pant

I'm pretty sure that among ur brain dead friends, you are the brain dead one there

Etinosa1234:


Seems u forgot that cultism was started in UI by wole soyinka

Sobasojek:

Hahaha Edo state with una ugliness, poverty stricken lineage, backward state too dey talk

All over Nigeria, all over the world Edo state is known for prostitution

Italy even did a special visa for smelly ugly senseless Edo girls to service their men on Italy

Have never seen a beautiful Edo woman or handsome Edo man

Everyone is actually ugly including your conquered oba of Benin

Sobasojek:

Thank you for these facts. God bless you

Hope the Benin dude can learn

Christistruth00:
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Christistruth00:
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gregyboy:



Etinosa1234


Read the one titled the position of ife 212

Etinosa1234:


Pls wetin be the name of the book

gregyboy:



Etinosa1234 when you're debating this yoruba people try and visit my profile you may find something there to use i have debated this same topic before now were i trashed TAO11, so endeavor to visit my wall and if i find something new i would always update it

Etinosa1234:


I can imagine u typing this with spit coming out of both sides of ur mouth

gregyboy:



Everybody is going to see this, that oyo wasnt really am empire, because you refused to backout when we told you to,

Etinosa1234

Christistruth00:




Everybody is going to see this : Even your first Ogiso of Igodomigodo was Yoruba from Ile-Ife .

Prince Oranmiyan was sent from Ile-Ife to restore that lineage

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/220033046_Ancient_Benin_Where_Did_the_First_Monarchs_Come_From

]Enough of Ekhalerdehan nonsense fabrication. Ekaladerhan lived and died in Ughoton according to Benin historian and high Chief Jacob Egharevba





[b]Ephesians 4:15 ESV
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ

gregyboy:


Is boring arguing with you guys match lines and you still don’t know you matched it,

Bro visit my profile you’re just too myopic and unkownledgable on the history you are about to debate , don’t embarrass yourself


Instead go and read you lack knowledge go find some am currently reading a book you should pick some particularly the history you’re debating on

I would help you out,before taking the stance of oromiyan finding Benin

Why not research of the validity of oduduwa existence, the validity of ife origin of the various yorubas,oromiyan origin from ife

Before you begin to talk on Benin and ife validity before we can then move to oromiyan in Benin

I bet if I stage you on the first on ifs validity you won’t have pass


Do you want to try it

Christistruth00:


Were you not trying to lie that Oyo was never an Empire. Even Ghanians accept their History with Yoruba as truth.


Your Surrender has been accepted in Goodwill.

Go and sin no more. Jesus is Lord.

Edeyoung:


Lol, sometimes you yorubas think youre arguing with igbos so you argue anyhow and get whipped by benin people .....

Is it not obvious election expenditures brought our igr down, did you check d previous record of igr between benin and oyo

Did you check the notable people from both state


Ok see benin fine guys i would have love to share mine but your sister may fall inlove, wish i would regret because i learnt yoruba women and children are dirty....

The popular johnny drille
Brighto from bbn 3rd pics
Rema

Show me from oyo state and also show me any lady who is not dirty from oyo

gregyboy:



Etinosa1234 when you're debating this yoruba people try and visit my profile you may find something there to use i have debated this same topic before now were i trashed TAO11, so endeavor to visit my wall and if i find something new i would always update it

baby124:

You are talking of Benin Republic or Dahomey. These ones here are talking of Benin City or Oba of Benin them. Completely different people.

AreaFada2:


Like it or not, there were Igboid people within umbrella of Benin Empire. As slave trader reports showed. They along with yoruboid subjects reached an agreement with Benin authorities to allow them buy and sell themselves only. Even Olaudah Equiano made it clear he was a Benin citizen of Igbo ethnicity.

If Igbo now say he was too young to know such political details, then he was too young too to know that he was Igbo or from West Africa at all. He could also have fabricated an Igbo name and could have been bought in Congo, Gold Coast or Angola.

Today we wish Igbo good luck in their Biafra quest, but it doesn't change history.

Keraxes:

Foolish weakling just like your coward ugly wretched foolish oba of Benin

ThickSharon123:


Benin's influence stopped in the Niger River not willing to push further, it knew if it caused more commotion by bringing it's conquering nonsense, then Benin would have been cleared out of history, by most Igbos in the east gearing up together to fight it. That's why the Oba of Bini knew his lane, he couldn't dare try it.

And how so we know if these Ika and Agbor people were colonized by the Bini? I believed they lived harmoniously with them, that's why there is no hcnage of culture or that sort and they still took the Igbo dialect. If you said they conquered then there would be a change of culture in all rounds.

ThickSharon123:


Benin's influence stopped in the Niger River not willing to push further, it knew if it caused more commotion by bringing it's conquering nonsense, then Benin would have been cleared out of history, by most Igbos in the east gearing up together to fight it. That's why the Oba of Bini knew his lane, he couldn't dare try it.

And how so we know if these Ika and Agbor people were colonized by the Bini? I believed they lived harmoniously with them, that's why there is no hcnage of culture or that sort and they still took the Igbo dialect. If you said they conquered then there would be a change of culture in all rounds.

AreaFada2:


Sharon, Benin is not really interested in anybody wanting to have been conquered or not conquered. But history recorded by Europeans who visited at the time is there for those interested to read. At least, if you write about Buhari regime today, it will be more authentic than someone using idea to guess and write it 300 or 500 years from now. Same applies to what was written those centuries ago.

You clearly do not understand Benin approach to conquest or expansion and I dare say world history and growth of different empires of old.

Benin never wanted extra "lebensraum". I kept saying this here on Nairaland. In fact the king used various means to stop Benin people from emigrating from the Benin to new colonies. Except soldiers, merchants and officials needed to run new areas. Remember that these officials became the ruling class of those lands. Examples are Oba of Lagos and his original chiefs like Obanikoro, Olu of Warri and the sons of 70 Benin chiefs that accompanied the first Ogiame (Olu) called Ginuwa (a son of Oba Olua of Benin) to Ewerre/Iwerre/Warri in 1480, etc. Iyase, Uwangue, Ologbosere, Ezomo/Ojomo and descendants of those 70 chiefs are still Warri senior chiefs today.

Some other Obis in Delta and beyond know their relationship with Benin. Dr Azikiwe narrated the origins of Ezechima (we have our Benin name for him) in his book. Surely, an Igbo person curious enough about history would have read Dr Zik's book by now. So are Ovies, Orodje, Otota and others in Delta.

Now, Benin always believe in exporting Benin system of administration and that was through the monarchical organisation with the king at the top, seniors chiefs around the king and dukes (usually princes) ruling the provinces. Oba of Benin as the King of Kings (emperor). Benin jealously guarded Benin culture otherwise. The language was for Benin people who, from my explanation above, were the elite of the new territories. A Benin proverb literally says "Let a Benin man speak Benin language and let an Ika man speak Ika. He who cannot speak his language is lost".

So Benin never wanted Benin language to be a commoner's language and certain cultural practices were to exclusively remain Benin practice. Some even considered scared to Benin people. Only the elite had that privilege. Of course, this practice is not the typical spreading of way of life far and wide like Arabs used religion.

Over time of course, the Beni elite were vastly outnumbered as they married into local population and their children took the culture around them. Benin was not bothered by that. After all, every ruler in the colonies must be screened and approved by the Oba in Benin. Every new Oba has to confirm every siting ruler in the colony and give them instrument of office. For example, in 1818, the Deji of Akure rebelled and made instrument of office for himself. Worse still, he murdered the emissary that brought him instrument of office from Benin. The Oba asked for his head and got his head sent to Benin.

Now to Agbor, it is heavily influenced by Benin. I know of at least 4 districts of Agbor town bearing Benin name. Benin words litter Ika language. Royal court practice in Agbor is massively Benin influenced. I have confirmed all these from Agbor people.

Sure, with the creation of Delta state, there is growing apart. IPOB, resurgence of Igbo nationalism and Biafra agitation means that more Igbo across the Niger feel the need to drum up the Igboness of Anioma people. Ultimately, Agbor and other Anioma people will decide if they want to join Ambazonia, Northern Nigeria, Niger Delta, Biafra or even Tigray people.

But that is all fine. We all have to move on.

ThickSharon123:



There's a documentary in YouTube one which someone commented when an Ika man said they are Igbos, but still have little influence of Bini. This person who commented, obviously an Ika man said, the Bini changed all the market name, courts and streets which had Igbo names to Bini names. I wanted to ask why was that? And the way he did converse it seemed it happened recently.

And I love how a gentleman you are in answering lightly. Thank you.

AreaFada2:

Thanks Sharon. But in which town or city did they change names from Igbo to Benin ones? Did the person cite examples of such changes?

ThickSharon123:



There's a documentary in YouTube one which someone commented when an Ika man said they are Igbos, but still have little influence of Bini. This person who commented, obviously an Ika man said, the Bini changed all the market name, courts and streets which had Igbo names to Bini names. I wanted to ask why was that? And the way he did converse it seemed it happened recently.

And I love how a gentleman you are in answering lightly. Thank you.

AreaFada2:


Sharon, Benin is not really interested in anybody wanting to have been conquered or not conquered. But history recorded by Europeans who visited at the time is there for those interested to read. At least, if you write about Buhari regime today, it will be more authentic than someone using idea to guess and write it 300 or 500 years from now. Same applies to what was written those centuries ago.

You clearly do not understand Benin approach to conquest or expansion and I dare say world history and growth of different empires of old.

Benin never wanted extra "lebensraum". I kept saying this here on Nairaland. In fact the king used various means to stop Benin people from emigrating from the Benin to new colonies. Except soldiers, merchants and officials needed to run new areas. Remember that these officials became the ruling class of those lands. Examples are Oba of Lagos and his original chiefs like Obanikoro, Olu of Warri and the sons of 70 Benin chiefs that accompanied the first Ogiame (Olu) called Ginuwa (a son of Oba Olua of Benin) to Ewerre/Iwerre/Warri in 1480, etc. Iyase, Uwangue, Ologbosere, Ezomo/Ojomo and descendants of those 70 chiefs are still Warri senior chiefs today.

Some other Obis in Delta and beyond know their relationship with Benin. Dr Azikiwe narrated the origins of Ezechima (we have our Benin name for him) in his book. Surely, an Igbo person curious enough about history would have read Dr Zik's book by now. So are Ovies, Orodje, Otota and others in Delta.

Now, Benin always believe in exporting Benin system of administration and that was through the monarchical organisation with the king at the top, seniors chiefs around the king and dukes (usually princes) ruling the provinces. Oba of Benin as the King of Kings (emperor). Benin jealously guarded Benin culture otherwise. The language was for Benin people who, from my explanation above, were the elite of the new territories. A Benin proverb literally says "Let a Benin man speak Benin language and let an Ika man speak Ika. He who cannot speak his language is lost".

So Benin never wanted Benin language to be a commoner's language and certain cultural practices were to exclusively remain Benin practice. Some even considered scared to Benin people. Only the elite had that privilege. Of course, this practice is not the typical spreading of way of life far and wide like Arabs used religion.

Over time of course, from generation to generation, the Benin elite were vastly outnumbered as they married into local population and their children took the culture around them. Benin was not bothered by that. After all, every ruler in the colonies must be screened and approved by the Oba in Benin. Every new Oba has to confirm every siting ruler in the colonies and give them instrument of office. For example, in 1818, the Deji of Akure rebelled and made instrument of office for himself. Worse still, he murdered the emissary that brought him instrument of office from Benin. The Oba asked for his head and got his head sent to Benin.

Now to Agbor, it is heavily influenced by Benin. I know of at least 4 districts of Agbor town bearing Benin name. Benin words litter Ika language. Royal court practice in Agbor is massively Benin influenced. I have confirmed all these from Agbor people.

Sure, with the creation of Delta state, there is growing apart. IPOB, resurgence of Igbo nationalism and Biafra agitation means that more Igbo across the Niger feel the need to drum up the Igboness of Anioma people. Ultimately, Agbor and other Anioma people will decide if they want to join Ambazonia, Northern Nigeria, Niger Delta, Biafra or even Tigray people.

But that is all fine. We all have to move on.