aribisala0:
A language group is not a people group and this fundamental ignorant assumption is at the core of this thread

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE IGBOID GROUP OR IGBOID PEOPLE


Take time to digest this very basic fact

IGBOID is a Linguistic classification of SEVERAL LANGUAGES which are RELATED . This classification was made by LINGUISTS and not anthropologists

It does not tell us anything about the people who speak these languages

One can study the works of Kay Williamson to understand more

The languages were called Igboid simply because Igbo was the language with the largest number of speakers in the LANGUAGE family

Again another point must be noted
All the languages classed as "Igboid" were considered as LANGUAGES in their own right not one the dialect of another

There is no information or claim about which language is older . Rather the assumption is that you have different languages which may have evolved separately from a now extinct ancestor Proto-language

All of this has to do with language and tells us nthing about the ancestry or origin of those speaking the language

Just like speaking English does not make Nigerans of English origin or ancestry

There are so many other language families in the world e.g Romance( Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese etc) . or Germanic( English, Deutsche, Dutch, Flemish etc)

Many people have fallen into the error of extending the scope and meaning of the term "Igboid"

Ikwerre is classified as A LANGUAGE . It is not a dialect of Igbo. As such we cannot assume which came first as some seem to be doing.

Plantain and banana no doubt are related but to say Plantain is older or banana is older needs evidence


Hausa language is today a Lingua Franca across Northern Nigeria and as a result many languages have died and become extinct
This is something that people should remember

The core assumption here is that because "igbos" are a bigger group today that was always the case or that cultural flow and or linguistic flow was in one direction so you hear talk like

If they are not Igbo they should stop answering Igbo names.

Given the foregoing that is illogical
What makes the names Igbo originally and not Ikwerre or not not other Parent language that they both share which no longer exists

Your last point is flawed because the Ikwerres themselves claimed they migrated from Bini and learned the language they currently speak due to their trade with Igbo people. So, based on that, it's not their original language and those names are Igbo names.

Afam4eva:

Your last point is flawed because the Ikwerres themselves claimed they migrated from Bini and learned the language they currently speak due to their trade with Igbo people. So, based on that, it's not their original language and those names are Igbo names.

What is my point exactly that is "flawed"?
Do you have evidence for this claim that Ikwerre claim they learnt the language from Ibos?
Now I am not wanting to argue it. It is a very simple yes or no question


If Yes share the evidence if not please stop quoting me because I have no interest in any pointless back and forth

Let me point out to you that it is not MY POINT
I am not a linguist
I am not Kay Williamson the foremost authority on Igbo Language/linguistics who classified Ikwerre as a Language in its own right

Your assumption about "The language" is what is flawed there is no one Igboid language rather there are many.
Ikwerre is not mutually intelligible with the central Ibo language. OPEN THE IKWERRE BIBLE

How much of the Ezza language is understood by other Ibo speakers

aribisala0:


What is my point exactly that is "flawed"?
Do you have evidence for this claim that Ikwerre claim they learnt the language from Ibos?
Now I am not wanting to argue it. It is a very simple yes or no question


If Yes share the evidence if not please stop quoting me because I have no interest in any pointless back and forth

Let me point out to you that it is not MY POINT
I am not a linguist
I am not Kay Williamson the foremost authority on Igbo Language/linguistics who classified Ikwerre as a Language in its own right

Your assumption about "The language" is what is flawed there is no one Igboid language rather there are many.
Ikwerre is not mutually intelligible with the central Ibo language. OPEN THE IKWERRE BIBLE

How much of the Ezza language is understood by other Ibo speakers

What exactly is central Igbo?
Igbo is spoken in dialects.
Ikwerre language is surely intelligble with Igbo clans (Ohaji/Egbema/Ass/Ndoki) they share boundaries with, because the dialects are similar in intonation.

I have lived in PH before and I understood Ikwerre spoken there.
You are not Igbo and you are not Ezza, yet you know that Igbos don't understand Ezza, no be juju be that?

Igbos who are Ezza neighbors, ie Ehugbo (Afikpo), Ishielu (Nkalagu and Ezillo people), Amagunze ( Nkanu) all understand Ezza , because of similar intonation.
It takes an attentive Igbo whose clan doesn't speak Ezza intonation highest two weeks to start understanding everything Ezza people say.
Also Afam has a point.
Ikwerre people have always claimed that the language they speak today is as a result of interactions (marriage and trade) with Igbos.
Which means they lost their Bini language somehow and copied Igbo language of their Igbo neighbors (Ohaji, Egbema, etc), which they subsequently modified to produce what you call Ikwerre language today.

So basically, they owe their language to Igbo language and their language is only but a derivative (a dialect if you like) of the Igbo language.

Igboid:


What exactly is central Igbo?
Igbo is spoken in dialects.
Ikwerre language is surely intelligble with Igbo clans (Ohaji/Egbema/Ass/Ndoki) they share boundaries with, because the dialects are similar in intonation.

I have lived in PH before and I understood Ikwerre spoken there.
You are not Igbo and you are not Ezza, yet you know that Igbos don't understand Ezza, no be juju be that?

Igbos who are Ezza neighbors, ie Ehugbo (Afikpo), Ishielu (Nkalagu and Ezillo people), Amagunze ( Nkanu) all understand Ezza , because of similar intonation.
It takes an attentive Igbo whose clan doesn't speak Ezza intonation highest two weeks to start understanding everything Ezza people say.
Also Afam has a point.
Ikwerre people have always claimed that the language they speak today is as a result of interactions (marriage and trade) with Igbos.
Which means they lost their Bini language somehow and copied Igbo language of their Igbo neighbors (Ohaji, Egbema, etc), which they subsequently modified to produce what you call Ikwerre language today.

So basically, they owe their language to Igbo language and their language is only but a derivative (a dialect if you like) of the Igbo language.

I am not interested in widening the discussion to an infinite number of subjects

Can you provide evidence for your claim that Ikwerre people have always claimed whatever about their language
I have confined myself to language not "Ikwerre people" otherwise we get into another debate like who are Ikwerre people

The point is that Ikwerre is classified as a language distinct from Ibo by experts who know more than you who did so before you were born

Here you are making assertions not based on any expertise or scholarship because you like the fragrance of your opinions

Omo the kind wahalla I saw for in this thread ehh.....I can't explain.

Abeg who is this TAO11........is she a historian??

To win an argument with her...... you must have a pure proved fact.
if not.....she gonna send you to the shoel .

Many niggrrs suffered in this thread

Well our Bkayy, ekealterego, 9pluto, Igboid, Pazienza, Slayerforever and many other titans we've got here will give her an upper hand . They will humble her if such thread comes up again.

Bkayy my man!!
Outta here!!!!

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TAO11:
Another lie from samuk the liar about to be dismantled:



(Q) Did some Eastern-Yoruba kingdoms engage in warfare with Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?

(A) Yes!
.
.
(Q) But did Benin kingdom rule and control some Eastern Yoruba kingdoms?

(A) Absolute falsehood!

The traditions which make this false claim ALL emanate originally from Benin kingdom.

And these accounts are not corroborated by the traditions which emanate from these Eastern Yoruba kingdoms.

I’ll be waiting for the traditions emanating from any Eastern Yoruba kingdom which says anywhere that Benin once ruled/controlled it.

cc: babtoundey, Afam4eva, LegendHero, gomojam, scholes0

Just as the Urhobos, Itsekiri*, Isoko, et al. now use “Oba”, right ?? Benin warped reasoning galore!

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*Yes, I know that technically speaking the Itsekiri were not conquered. But the point I’m making in general already refuted your warped reasoning as always

Im sorry but do you have quotes from traditional monarchs or any sources for these claims and to say that the itsekiri werent conquered is false considering up till the times of nana of olomu were oaying tribute to benin

gregyboy:



You don start again with your lies


The word oba has been used by the European since 1400 ad to address the Benin monarchy


And yorubas started using it to address their king after 1930


You just came out of oblivion and your first comment came with tears and lies

I could feel his tears dropping on my phone screen

TAO11:
Another lie from samuk the liar about to be dismantled:



(Q) Did some Eastern-Yoruba kingdoms engage in warfare with Benin kingdom at some point in the course of history?

(A) Yes!
.
.
(Q) But did Benin kingdom rule and control some Eastern Yoruba kingdoms?

(A) Absolute falsehood!

The traditions which make this false claim ALL emanate originally from Benin kingdom.

And these accounts are not corroborated by the traditions which emanate from these Eastern Yoruba kingdoms.

I’ll be waiting for the traditions emanating from any Eastern Yoruba kingdom which says anywhere that Benin once ruled/controlled it.

cc: babtoundey, Afam4eva, LegendHero, gomojam, scholes0

Just as the Urhobos, Itsekiri*, Isoko, et al. now use “Oba”, right ?? Benin warped reasoning galore!

———————-
*Yes, I know that technically speaking the Itsekiri were not conquered. But the point I’m making in general already refuted your warped reasoning as always

Tao11 you are being missed

Happy New year

Hope everything is ok

christistruth01:



Tao11 you are being missed

Happy New year

Hope everything is ok

He/she ran out of lies or probably accepted the truth

gregyboy:


He/she ran out of lies or probably accepted the truth

lmao. her posts are still here you have not been able to rebute

gregyboy:


He/she ran out of lies or probably accepted the truth

Tao11 and others silenced you with the Truth over and over and over again and you ran out of lies

TAO11:
It’s not gregy.

It’s a certain guy by the moniker @davidmarker.

The following are some of his other monikers which I have forced him to delete in the past:

Prolog, Ghostwon, Wtf, Logycs, Worldhistory, Bandit, amongst may others.

Here is his modus operandi: https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/17#96530093

This is so you can identify him whenever he deletes his latest moniker and appears with a new disguised one.
——————-

As for @gregyboy, he is one and the same person as @Edeyoung.

I confirmed this 100%. It’s tested. He likes to deny it with his last blood though.

In fact, he will sometimes start quoting himself logging in and out (whenever I point this out) just to pretend he isn’t.

😂😂😂😂

samuk:


Force marriages hardly last long, it's better people buy into group classifications than being forced. Today, most people from different nations wants to move to America or western europe to become their citizens compared to moving to any other nation. These people often celebrate their citizenships in these abducted nations with prides.

It's not every tribes that are happy to be identified as Yoruba today were once classified as Yorubas but these tribes such as the Ijebus are very happy to be part of the larger Yoruba conglomerate. On the other hand, the Yorubas will want to have the Benins as part of the Yoruba nation but the Benin/Edo are too well established in history and sees itself as the father of all to want to be a part of any tribe.

Igbo should rather deploy their energy and talent towards building a nation everyone will be proud to be part of rather than this force marriages of claiming tribes that are not interested in being Igbo.

Igbos help to build others cities such as Lagos and Abuja that everyone wants to run to and associate with but you can not find any city in the east comparable to PH and you want the indigines of PH to be proud to be Igbo. You have to be a great nation to claim others or for others to claim you. The Igbo should first work on her greatness.

Whilst Igbo/Biafra is fixated on claiming Ikwerre by fire by force, there are still Igbos in the east that claims Benin, Igala, Idoma and other ancestry.

Igbos didn't develop Lagos or Abuja, Yoruba and Hausa did respectfully, you naked savage swinging tits and dangling joysticks primitives are so insecure in your none relevance in history that you spew lies to give yourself some relevance and meaning. Pathetic! When you're not claiming Jews like some cultural Inferior imbeciles, you're claiming developing another man's land while you can't ever develop yours? Even if your lie was true Nigeria is still a glorified third world country, so it makes you look even more stupid. It's okay igbos, to be naked dancing Zulu tribes men , no need to claim other people's achievements, lands, culture, Attires, foods, etc. Jeez.

bundarina:


Igbos didn't develop Lagos or Abuja, Yoruba and Hausa did respectfully, you naked savage swinging tits and dangling joysticks primatives are so insecure in your none relevance in history that you spew lies to give yourself some relevance and meaning. Pathetic! When you're not claiming Jews like some cultural Inferior imbeciles, you're claiming developing another man's land while you can't ever develop yours? Even if your lie was true Nigeria is still a glorified third world country, so it makes you look even more stupid. It's okay igbos, to be naked dancing Zulu tribes men , no need to claim other people's achievements, lands, culture, Attires, foods, etc. Jeez.

I just checked your replies and I can only summarize how brutal you are😭🙌🏾. I hope you engage and put these flesh eating Osu miscreants in their place. We civilized these heathens.

Xchii:
I just checked your replies and I can only summarize how brutal you are😭🙌🏾. I hope you engage and put these flesh eating Osu miscreants in their place. We civilized these heathens.

I only know how to give vawlence for their lies based on their insecurity and inferiority complex. But it's all the truth, and even they know it, though they love to hide from it🤷. They should give us awards and kiss our feet for civilizing them, if they were greatful people. No lies and ego soothing on Nairaland anymore, that's my campaign promise 😂.

bundarina:


I only know how to give vawlence for their lies based on their insecurity and inferiority complex. But it's all the truth, and even they know it, though they love to hide from it🤷. They should give us awards and kiss our feet for civilizing them, if they were greatful people. No lies and ego soothing on Nairaland anymore, that's my campaign promise 😂.

i hope you login more on this forum 👌😂... I love your vawulence, after election these nyamiris will surely hear from us... Many of them are on Tiktok trying to claim everything they copy from us. It's a known fact Yoruba women civilized those naked ibo women but today they have pages pushing propagandas m

Xchii:
i hope you login more on this forum 👌😂... I love your vawulence, after election these nyamiris will surely hear from us... Many of them are on Tiktok trying to claim everything they copy from us. It's a known fact Yoruba women civilized those naked ibo women but today they have pages pushing propagandas m

Facts o. I saw it, I laugh taya. Fighting for their lives, embarrassing 😂. I'll be here more 🤣👌

bundarina:


Facts o. I saw it, I laugh taya. Fighting for their lives, embarrassing 😂. I'll be here more 🤣👌

when they have no history and culture, they'll do everything to claim other people's culture. Glad to have you here