Japan really dug the depths of stuppidity and mindless greed by deciding to build  scores of NUCLEAR PLANTS along the coast of its earthquake prone RING OF FIRE.

Now WE have to worry about the fallout from their radiation?

All because they could not be bothered to 'suffer' 'less efficient' means of power that require greater investment.

All for corporate greed and avarice.

All for their desperation to be a ''leading industrial power''.

Everything else, including their own survival, was relegated in importance.

Theirs is a lesson in the tragic effects of mindless, drone-like industrialism.

The new world needs to be guided by a totally different ethos which does not place profit and convenience over life, common sense and human survival on this planet.

i never really thought about it, but your right actually if one of those facilities meltsdown, that could be a big problem for ppl in other countries. , not to mention the ppl in japan. im kinda angry now haha

which other countries would be affected?

they said most of the radioactive material was blown out to sea.

@ topic

most first world countries [i assume japan is included] have nuclear power plants. It helps with the power supply.


any info yet on how all of this is affecting the big auto companies?

which other countries would be affected?

they said most of the radioactive material was blown out to sea.

If the wind had blown to the west Mainland japan, Korea, and China would have definatly been affected. but i guess the real issue is the logic behind building Nuclear reactors on some of the Hottest earthquake zones on earth. What if the quake was directly under the plant? it would be like chernobyll.

The point is that at some point there's gonna be one hell of a quake in that region that could just set off all those lovely nuclear plants.

What of it had been a 9.6 earthquake rather than an 8.9? Good lord we would be discussing an entirely different scenario by now. Anyway you look at it, it just makes no sense to build those things in that kind of a place.

I think they should dismantle all of them and use natural gas or something to power their country.

ROSSIKE:

The point is that at some point there's gonna be one hell of a quake in that region that could just set off all those lovely nuclear plants.

What of it had been a 9.6 earthquake rather than an 8.9? Good lord we would be discussing an entirely different scenario by now. Anyway you look at it, it just makes no sense to build those things in that kind of a place.

I think they should dismantle all of them and use natural gas or something to power their country.

You are really stupidd with your post

You, ordinary stupidd moafucker, questioning the judgement of the Japanese. Do your fucking research before opening threads ok.

ediot wey no dey enjoy 24/7 electricity dey open thread criticize the most intelligent group of people on earth.

Arrant nonsense!

You don't get it do you? The fact remains the whole Asian continent is an earthquake prone area. The only lesson they can learn from this sad experience is to try and build nuclear facilities the iranian way. Iran are now building their Nuclear plants under or around highlands and mountains as Mountains are less prone to earthquakes and tremor. This is even safe in case of military air strike by enemies. The mountain will be like a bunker to the Nuclear plants. They better learn.

seanet02:

You don't get it do you? The fact remains the whole Asian continent is an earthquake prone area. The only lesson they can learn from this sad experience is to try and build nuclear facilities the iranian way. Iran are now building their Nuclear plants under or around highlands and mountains as Mountains are less prone to earthquakes and tremor. This is even safe in case of military air strike by enemies. The mountain will be like a bunker to the Nuclear plants. They better learn.

DO you actually think you know more about where and how to build Nuclear reactors than these people?

You Nigerians make me laugh seriously!

Now, how many Nuclear reactors do we have in Nigeria and how many times have we we gone to space. And, this knowledge of yours regarding where to build reactors, where is it coming from? Ever worked or built a nuclear reactor before?

fstranger said:

DO you actually think you know more about where and how to build Nuclear reactors than these people?

You Nigerians make me laugh seriously!

Now, how many Nuclear reactors do we have in Nigeria and how many times have we we gone to space. And, this knowledge of yours regarding where to build reactors, where is it coming from? Ever worked or built a nuclear reactor before?

Slaveboy, please this discussion is for independent minded individuals, not inferiorized slaves like you.

In your slave, plantation boy mindset, the ''most intelligent people in the world'' cannot be criticised by ''unintelligent black people''. Why don't you return to the shiit you crawled out of, you stinking animal, and allow HUMAN BEINGS with their dignity still intact, to continue with their discussion?

ROSSIKE:

fstranger said:

Slaveboy, please this discussion is for independent minded individuals, not inferiorised slaves like you.

In your slave, plantation boy mindset, the ''most intelligent people in the world'' cannot be criticised by ''unintelligent black people''. Why don't you return to the shiit you crawled out of, you stinking animal, and allow HUMAN BEINGS with their dignity still intact, to continue with their discussion?

Dignity on top nothing. Even the Americans have huge respect for them. A lotta Nobel Prize winners in Physics are from Japan, born and schooled there. yet, in your stupidd dumb black brain, you still dont have the humility to accept wrong and seek ways to rectify your pathetic life, Instead, you want to start blaming and criticizing people light years ahead of you. MAybe, if you were humble enough, you might just learn one or two things from them.


Typical black arrogance on top nothing.

Arrant ediot mofo!

fstranger3:


You are really stupidd with your post

You, ordinary stupidd moafucker, questioning the judgement of the Japanese. Do your bleeping research before opening threads ok.

ediot wey no dey enjoy 24/7 electricity dey open thread criticize the most intelligent group of people on earth.

Arrant nonsense!

  Hahahahaha did his guy really just say that? What a duma$$ !!  lol so nigerians aren't smart enough to" question judgment of the japanese"? The people who built nuclear reactors on an earthquake zone. Wow,

fstranger3:

Dignity on top nothing. Even the Americans have huge respect for them. A lotta Nobel Prize winners in Physics are from Japan, born and schooled there. yet, in your stupidd dumb black brain, you still dont have the humility to accept wrong and seek ways to rectify your pathetic life, Instead, you want to start blaming and criticizing people light years ahead of you. MAybe, if you were humble enough, you might just learn one or two things from them.


Typical black arrogance on top nothing.

Arrant ediot mofo!

hahahahHahaha what an silly person! I can't stop lauging lol! The king of all inferiority complexes!

pleep:

  Hahahahaha did his guy really just say that? What a duma$$ !!  lol so nigerians aren't smart enough to" question judgment of the japanese"? The people who built nuclear reactors on an earthquake zone. Wow,

You dont even have 24/7 hrs power supply, here you are trying to form some intelligence that is not there


And who helped design and launch Nigcomsat1, and all the versions of Nigcomsat, again? Nigerians or the Asians you are trying to criticize.


You cant do something, yet you criticize those who do .    .     . what kind of silly mentality is that?


Now do you want to compare their railway system with ours? What about their economy, based on sheer intellect, compared to ours that is based on liquid Gold and even prior to the discovery of oil, it was based on Agriculture.


Abeg talk better jo

fstranger said:

Dignity on top nothing.

Every human being has dignity. All are from God. You need to rid yourself of the inferiority complex that so clearly troubles your mind. You are first a soul, then a human being, then a black person, then a Nigerian. At core you are a soul, NOT a ''Nigerian''.  In heaven to where you will return there are no nationalities, and all souls are equal. You have every right as a soul emanating from God to comment on any issue in this life without feeling inferior. Teach that to your kids. It's a lesson that's probably too late for you to imbibe.

Even the Americans have huge respect for them. A lotta Nobel Prize winners in Physics are from Japan, born and schooled there.

Stop thinking like a slave. Americans are human beings not gods. Human beings are susceptible to all fallibilities imaginable. Stop feeling inferior to other groups of human beings because God did not create any of his souls to be inferior to the other.

yet, in your stupidd dumb black brain

Get rid of your inferiority complex. Blacks are not ''dumb''. Whites are not ''smart''. Asians are not ''more intelligent'' than any other race of people.

These are lies taught you by colonialists which have no bearing in human history. The first people who mined minerals, wrote down words, melted metal, and calculated mathematics and the movement of stars were black African people. You have absolutely no reason to feel inferior to any race of people on earth because whatsoever has been achieved by any race today was built upon the achievements and breakthroughs of early black Africans.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-326177.0.html

This is probably all too much for you to imbibe at this stage of your life. I ask that you transmit this knowledge to your children, so they don't walk around feeling inferior like you.

you still dont have the humility to accept wrong and seek ways to rectify your pathetic life, Instead, you want to start blaming and criticizing people light years ahead of you.

I am not Nigeria. I am an individual.

My nationality is wholly immaterial. I speak as an individual of this planet who has every right to speak.

What do you mean ''people light years ahead of you''? Do not equate the individual with his nationality. That is an invalid, thoroughly racist argument that has no place in modern, intelligent discourse.

fstranger3:

You dont even have 24/7 hrs power supply, here you are trying to form some intelligence that is not there


And who helped design and launch Nigcomsat1, and all the versions of Nigcomsat, again? Nigerians or the Asians you are trying to criticize.


You cant do something, yet you criticize those who do .    .     . what kind of silly mentality is that?

. I don't think this post is intended to criticize Asians as a "race" it's just about the unwise decison to build nuclear reactors in japan,  It was obviously a bad idea because many of them are destroyed or partially destroyed risking he health of many ppl. Btw In the united states nigerians are the most educated  and highest preforming not Asians look it up. So given the right cercumstances nigerians are just As smart as Asians. Keep that in mind and try to have as some pride in yourself and your people. Many of us are much smarter than you.

Gotta toss the dice sometimes to get ahead. Didn't work out and they are now paying the price. But I'd do the same thing were I in their boots.


It isn't like their tiny island has tons of natural gas or coal. So how do you power your society cheaply? 

They aren't a land like Nigeria blessed with natural abundance and tons of resources.

eku bear said:

Gotta toss the dice sometimes to get ahead. Didn't work out and they are now paying the price.

This wasn't ''tossing the dice''. This was never going to work. That area has long been known to contain a serious fault line. I don't even believe there should have been ''coastal towns'' there. Like that city that had 3/4 of its people annihilated in a tsunami. Surely it was clear to anyone that a really big quake WOULD cause a tsunami and flood the coastal plains on the fault lines?

Here's the ring of fire. Japan is bang in the middle of it!

^-- We have power plants and a ton of infrastructure here where I live too. . . I'm sitting on the San Andreas fault.

Tehran is built in the middle of some earthquake-prone zone.

Most of the Netherlands is below sea level.

*shrug*

That is just the way of the world. . . most of the best and most desirable real estate on earth has one issue or another associated with it. Do you simply abandon it due to the threat of disaster?

You try your best to deal with the risks and then toss the dice.

Anyway, you are speaking from hindsight.

ROSSIKE:

I think they should dismantle all of them and use natural gas or something to power their country.

And where will they get this NG from? Are you offering to give it to them for free?  Or does NG grow on trees?

Abeg, let them manage their own affairs and we manage ours. No need to be sticking your nose in another man's business. Truth be told. . . they've done a helluva lot more with less resources and more adversity than we have.

So I'm not sure what business we have offering them advice.

They are a great and resilient people, and I'm sure will manage to do decently over the next 50-100 years.

ROSSIKE:

Here's the ring of fire. Japan is bang in the middle of it!

Lol. So absolutely no infrastructure whatsoever should be built on that enormous swath of territory? Any country that is there should have nothing of value?

Offer a better solution than that. It would make more sense to call for improved modeling/prediction of natural disasasters, more robust and resilient infrastructure to deal with 'em. Hell, a more innovative insurance scheme to take care of the aftermath of disasters.

But if your proposal is to just quit. . . well, that is no solution at all.

Honestly, you are just bitching and complaining without offering any sort of solutions. They were dealt a bad hand and did the best they could with it.

WOW . . . .  Building BWR nuclear reactors near water source is WRONG[size=17pt] ROFLMAO[/size]

I don't know what the solution being proffered by rossike will lead to but i fear it will lead to nowhere. There is nothing anybody can do about faults. Telling the japanese that they should stop nuclear development is nonsense. Nigerias southern region has experienced tremors in the past, so do we now tell government to stop development in the area? NO? You have to live with the risks of this world. Earthquake is nobody's respecter. Japan should just try to move on after this.

It's interesting how people can miss the point.  The fact is that fallout from a violent nuclear meltdown can cover large areas of land. Fallout from chrnobyll went as far as England. Such projects set a dangerous precident for neighboring contries. Imagine if the u.s tried to despose of nuclear materials in space? That would be unnaceptable becuae of the risk involved in the event of a crash. japan had evey legal right to build nuclear facilities. And there were some safeguards in place to prevent such an occurance and quite a bit of luck as well. But this is an issue of internaional ethics and not as clear cut as some ppl seem to think it is. If they can't make hem 100% safe is it worth the risk to neighboring countries?

@pleep:

I'm not claiming it is clearcut, or a simple problem. Technology often has downsides. And as you point out, sometimes the guy using dangerous technology is not the one who pays the price if things go wrong.

And how exactly to resolve this is still an open question.

But I think most of us can agree that simply banning or avoiding such technologies is not practical. Even if the "100% safe" criterion you mention cannot be achieved.

That is all I am saying.

Good or bad,the simple truth is that you need nuclear technology to show your relevance in the emerging global politics. but should we consider states' dominance over the lives of people that will be lost in case of any problem ?

The OP is just a clueless dolt!
The Nuclear reactors were tested to resist earthquakes up to 8.0 magnitude. The fact that 40 year old technology has held up so well to a much larger earthquake than ever anticipated in that region is a testament to the skill of the Japanese designers.
Building the plant relatively close to the coast has its advantages in the ready access to seawater for emergency cooling. This is no chronically unsafe Chernobyl.

Rossike has never been known for his intelligence, so i'm not surprised at this idiotic entry.

Kobojunkie:

WOW . . . .  Building BWR nuclear reactors near water source is WRONG[size=17pt] ROFLMAO[/size]

Don't you just marvel at the foolishness of some people here on Nairaland? I tire for these clowns o!

pleep:

It's interesting how people can miss the point.  The fact is that fallout from a violent nuclear meltdown can cover large areas of land. Fallout from chrnobyll went as far as England. Such projects set a dangerous precident for neighboring contries. Imagine if the u.s tried to despose of nuclear materials in space? That would be unnaceptable becuae of the risk involved in the event of a crash. japan had evey legal right to build nuclear facilities. And there were some safeguards in place to prevent such an occurance and quite a bit of luck as well. But this is an issue of internaional ethics and not as clear cut as some ppl seem to think it is. If they can't make hem 100% safe is it worth the risk to neighboring countries?

By your brainless Logic, if they can't make air transportation 100% safe, is it worth the risk to the people on the ground?
I cannot understand why you're babbling about 'ethics'. And FYI, most of the neighbouring countries (The two Koreas, China, India) all run Nuclear reactors for energy.

The folly of building nuclear plants on tectonic fault lines has been noted and vociferously opposed by the Japanese people:

''There has always been concern here about about the wisdom of building nuclear power stations, on which Japan relies hugely for its energy needs, in a country which is so prone to earthquakes.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12724953


''Despite several accidents and mounting [domestic] public opposition to nuclear power, [Japan] plans to increase capacity to 40% by the end of the decade.''

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/145603.html


Here's a fantastic critique of the whole nuclear power industry

http://chrismaser./2011/03/13/the-long-term-folly-of-nuclear-energy/

Oh, on the news, a third nuclear plant has just exploded.

Lovely.

@ OP

U criticism of Japan is childish and poorly informed. U hav not shown good understanding of d Japanese economic opportunities n constraints. Neither hav i displayed good judgement of Japanese cultural character. Dey r not stupid people as u may hav thought. Although i will understand ur plight being frm a counry where stupidity is order of d day, never get it twisted dt other societies run same way.

Japan is a first world nation, such status is never achieved by stupidity. If only u know how such matyers run, u had shown more understanding in ur condemnation. Unfortunately u never also provided viable alternative. Follow d news better and see how several safety measures hav so far protected d reactors despite its violent battering.

If only u understand ds kind of issues better, u wld be praising Japanese nuclear engineering technology by now. D Russian Chenrobyl wasnt tripped off by any natural disaster, only human error and all safety system went kaput. Yet, d Japanese plant has been battered violently and d safety system r still very much in place.

Accidents r unforseen circumstances. Do u think d Japanese engineers r not more knowledgeable dn u r on ds matter and thus forgot dos observations u made? My friend, dos things must hav been factored in. But now dey hav ds situation, dey only go to improve their design.

Its amazing how Nigerians display poor inteligience a lot of times by being quick to talk on matters they hav little competence on. We r always quick to call ourselves some out-of -d-world superstar, yet hav little or nothing to show for it. Here we r, one of our own criticizing Japanese technological competence when Nigeria doesnt make pencil, sharpener, hammer or tape rule. Pls view lists of major technology prize reciepients for last century and if u can count Nigerians on a hand, it will b a miracle yet we claim to b smarter dn d Japanese dt hav consistently featured.

If d lion grow a boil, it is not fitting for d chicken to b d announcer.

ROSSIKE:

The folly of building nuclear plants on tectonic fault lines has been noted and vociferously opposed by the Japanese people:

''There has always been concern here about about the wisdom of building nuclear power stations, on which Japan relies hugely for its energy needs, in a country which is so prone to earthquakes.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12724953


''Despite several accidents and mounting [domestic] public opposition to nuclear power, [Japan] plans to increase capacity to 40% by the end of the decade.''

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/145603.html


Here's a fantastic critique of the whole nuclear power industry

http://chrismaser./2011/03/13/the-long-term-folly-of-nuclear-energy/

Oh, on the news, a third nuclear plant has just exploded.

Lovely.

Is it just me or is @ROSSIKE deriving ghoullish pleasure from the travails of the Japanese people?

PS: I stopped reading your wordpress link when the brainless twit said a meltdown would lead to an atomic explosion. Of all the people to quote, why pick an uninformed and ignorant scaremonger who doesn't know anything?

Birds of the same feather, i guess.

homerac said:

@ OP

U criticism of Japan is childish and poorly informed. U hav not shown good understanding of d Japanese economic opportunities n constraints. Neither hav i displayed good judgement of Japanese cultural character. Dey r not silly people as u may hav thought. Although i will understand your plight being frm a counry where stupidity is order of d day, never get it twisted dt other societies run same way.

Japan is a first world nation, such status is never achieved by stupidity. If only u know how such matyers run, u had shown more understanding in your condemnation. Unfortunately u never also provided viable alternative. Follow d news better and see how several safety measures hav so far protected d reactors despite its violent battering.

If only u understand ds kind of issues better, u wld be praising Japanese nuclear engineering technology by now. D Russian Chenrobyl wasnt tripped off by any natural disaster, only human error and all safety system went kaput. Yet, d Japanese plant has been battered violently and d safety system r still very much in place.

Accidents r unforseen circumstances. Do u think d Japanese engineers r not more knowledgeable dn u r on ds matter and thus forgot dos observations u made? My friend, dos things must hav been factored in. But now dey hav ds situation, dey only go to improve their design.

Its amazing how Nigerians display poor inteligience a lot of times by being quick to talk on matters they hav little competence on. We r always quick to call ourselves some out-of -d-world superstar, yet hav little or nothing to show for it. Here we r, one of our own criticizing Japanese technological competence when Nigeria doesnt make pencil, sharpener, hammer or tape rule. Pls view lists of major technology prize reciepients for last century and if u can count Nigerians on a hand, it will b a miracle yet we claim to b smarter dn d Japanese dt hav consistently featured.

If d lion grow a boil, it is not fitting for d chicken to b d announcer.

Dude, I'm not here to masturbate your sense of inferiority.

People like you make Africans pathetic by your self loathing and inverse racism.

You're basically saying no black person can criticise the Japanese government.

That the shameless slavery and subservience of such a stance is lost on you is the real tragedy here, leave aside the topic at hand.

It is people like you that allow white people to come into Nigeria and you sign away the country to them, because you're too afraid to look them in the eye as your equals.

You need to rid yourself of the inferiority complex that says that every Nigerian is responsible for ''the Nigerian situation'' and therefore is barred from commenting on other advanced nations merely for the fact of being from Nigeria.

You're basically saying that if I happened to be a white man from England writing these same words, you would lend them more credence.

It is the height of self hatred and inverted racism that is truly abominable.

@Rossike: What do you suggest?

If no nuclear, then what? Where do you get cheap electricity from? Again, it isn't like Japan is Nigeria, with enormous amounts of coal and NG readily available.

No cheap electricity => no manufacturing, no industry => massive loss of jobs => civil unrest.

How should they avoid this undesirable outcome?