Dtruthspeaker:


All because they fear, they let their desires, hopes, and dreams rule and dictate how they shall respond to their fears, in the conduct of their lives.

Thinking that by the sharpening of their thoughts, they shall escape calamity in the day of calamity.

Jesus taught more about hell than anyone else in the scriptures.
If some people at the headquarters says Jesus is wrong and they are believed, how great is this delusion!

shadeyinka:

What an ignorant conclusion.

Who told you that hell is a blanket judgement for sinners. Everyone gets rewarded even in hell ACCORDING to what they have DONE!

That is not not the teaching of hell says....can you specify where and where in the teaching it separates the level of torment?

VillagePeople11:


That is not not the teaching of hell says....can you specify where and where in the teaching it separates the level of torment?

Luk 12:48: "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For to whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

Mat 16:27: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

Rev 22:12: "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."

Hell is the prison where stubborn individuals are kept

shadeyinka:

How can such make sense to a primate ape and star dust!?

The colony of bacteria in a toilet are discussing the morality of humans wasting hundreds of millions of them with terrible chemicals of mass destruction and genocide. Is it their toilet?

How can it make sense to you!?

Lol

VillagePeople11:


A group of sinners with different level of sin live and die at various ages....

There all get thrown into an eternal fire...does that make sense to you....

Simple offences carry Simple Punishments, Whilst CAPITAL Offences carry CAPITAL Punishments!

But which simple offence is mentioned in the Bible which condemns a person to Lake of Fire?

shadeyinka:

Jesus taught more about hell than anyone else in the scriptures.
If some people at the headquarters says Jesus is wrong and they are believed, how great is this delusion!

Is Adam suffering everlasting torture in hellfire?
Was any living person tortured forever in Gehenna?
Since una no agree to learn SENSE from Jesus Christ teaching @ Matthew 24:36-37,39
@ 2 Thess1:7-9,
Continue DECEIVING yourselves

Dtruthspeaker:


a madman too has a right to be mad and I respect it,. Biko, rapu mu'aka.

When its time for you to wake up...you will..mean time ,enjoy your delusion..

shadeyinka:

Your cherry-picking sometimes is mind boggling. You'll many times use the Old Testament on the New without considering the context and you forget that a single word may have several different meaning depending on its context. but this is not even the issue for now.
Inn the OT isn't the soul and spirit sometimes used interchangeably?

1. From your argument, if God should punish satan and the other fallen angels, He is punishing Himself? (aren't angels also spirits?)
2. If man is made from the spirit of God, what then is the difference between the the spirit of God and us (For God is a Spirit)
3. Spirit and breath means the same thing?
Breath=the air taken into or expelled from the lungs or an inhalation or exhalation of air from the lungs
Spirit=a being without a physical body or the non-physical part of a person that makes him spiritual

I pity your misconception!

What is your own understanding ? Who is man and who is God?

sonmvayina:


When its time for you to wake up...you will..mean time ,enjoy your delusion..

joke of the day! skeletons in the grave telling the living to wake up

Janosky:


Is Adam suffering everlasting torture in hellfire?
Was any living person tortured forever in Gehenna?
Since una no agree to learn SENSE from Jesus Christ teaching @ Matthew 24:36-37,39
@ 2 Thess1:7-9,
Continue DECEIVING yourselves

You wont listen to true doctrine Except you are fed with deceptions as it comes from those at the headquarters.

Sheol is a general name for the place where people are domiciled after death.

Grave could mean literal grave/tomb- Under the ground or inside a hewed from the earth or rock or Sheol depending on the context.

Hades- is the Greek equivalence of Sheol and it could mean1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay
2. The Place Of The Punishment For The Wicked 3. Possibly As A General Term For The Unseen Realm Of The Dead

Gehenna- is the valley of Valley of Hinnom. An accursed place where some kings of Judah sacrificed their children. These later in history became a refuse dump that was continuously on fire.

Hell is not Lake of fire.

Sheol seems to be divided into two compartments. One is a place called Abraham's Bosom and the second compartment is Hell (a holding place for evil people). There is a gulf of separation between them.

Lake of Fire - it is the final place of rejection of those who have rejected God. It will contain both Hell, satan and the fallen angels and everyone whose name is not in the book of life. The lake of fire is EMPTY as of now.


Now, looking at your questions, your confusion is betrayed
1. Is Adam suffering everlasting torture in hellfire?
Who told you that Adam is in hellfire?
Gehenna- is a synonym for Hell or Hellfire or the literal valley of Hinnom.
I don't know where you took your doctrine from.

Abel died and yet his blood speaks, how?

2.Was any living person tortured forever in Gehenna?
Are you speaking of the literal Gehenna- or hell or Hellfire?

See how you muddle up context in simple asking of questions!

sonmvayina:


What is your own understanding ? Who is man and who is God?

Can you not perceive that this question is unintelligent?

You just literally said that God cannot punish himself as man is carrying God as partly God.

The spirit goes back to God and the body back to the earth.. So why would God send his spirit to hell, who will suffer ?

shadeyinka:

Can you not perceive that this question is unintelligent?

You just literally said that God cannot punish himself as man is carrying God as partly God.

What is your own opinion ..who is God and who is man ? Do you believe that man is God having a human experience ?

LordReed:


Quite a bit actually and is one of the underpinnings of why I don't believe a god as you describe exists.

Since you have, you should not be shocked or befuddled in any way at the ease in which hell is realistically accomplishable.

hahn:


Long post. No sense.

How can it make sense to hahn? Has reasoning started making sense to hahn? Only antigod makes sense of course. Pick that post and reasonably tear it down per sentence at the risk of a brain meltdown.

sonmvayina:


What is your own opinion ..who is God and who is man ? Do you believe that man is God having a human experience ?

You are still repeating a the nonsensical question!
And your second question!

I do not belive that man is God having a human expression for God is perfection: you might avail me where and how you got such a doctrine. We are obviously not vibrating at the same frequency.

shadeyinka:

You are still repeating a the nonsensical question!
And your second question!

I do not belive that man is God having a human expression for God is perfection: you might avail me where and how you got such a doctrine. We are obviously not vibrat yting at the same frequency.

From all indication,Yours is lower. I am asking again , who is God and who is man or what..

sonmvayina:


From all indication,Yours is lower. I am asking again , who is God and who is man or what..

You tell me your own definition as I perceive that yours is not the convectional understanding.

shadeyinka:

You tell me your own definition as I perceive that yours is not the convectional understanding.

It is rude to answer a question with a question...so please what or who is God or man . and what is the conventional understanding ?

At least let us understand ourselves and we can move on from there..

sonmvayina:


It is rude to answer a question with a question...so please what or who is God or man . and what is the conventional understanding ?

At least let us understand ourselves and we can move on from there..

That question is mundane!
As your understanding is different from the convectional, spill the beans. We can do quality discussion on this after

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Since you have, you should not be shocked or befuddled in any way at the ease in which hell is realistically accomplishable.

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shadeyinka:

That question is mundane!
As your understanding is different from the convectional, spill the beans. We can do quality discussion on this after

Hhaahahhaha, you are not getting out of this...it means you don't even know what God is and what man is....what is God and what is man? And what is the conventional idea about both..

sonmvayina:


Hhaahahhaha, you are not getting out of this...it means you don't even know what God is and what man is....what is God and what is man? And what is the conventional idea about both..

State you mind as I don't answer senseless questions!

VillagePeople11:
There are different punishment for crimes committed, for instance fine, probation, 6months, 1 year, 10 years in jail etc.

Humans with their treacherous heart understands this and frown at any punishment that is too much for the crime committed i.e you shouldn't behead a person as punishment for slapping another person(assault). You don't kill your wife or child for disrespecting you.

Now take a second look at the hellfire punishment, the human lifespan is 80 years, and you have people dying at 15, 30, 50 45 etc. Let take a collection of 20 of these humans and call them sinners meant for hellfire.

Now you throw them into fire, i mean burning flames, and you do not even show them the mercy of dying, you continuously burn them for 1 hour, 10 hours, 24 hours, 3 days, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, 1 year, 10years, the number of years equivalent to how long they lived, still burning, 100 years still burning, 200 years, 500 years, 2 million years, 10 million year.... Let me stop there.

Regardless of everything you have been thought, does the punishment of hellfire make any sense?

cc: lalastilala

Hell was created for Satan and other fallen angels who rebelled against God not man.

God's ultimate plan isn't to put man in hell but man is a free moral agent. Meaning man can make his own independent choice in life. We all have a choice to either follow God or join satan and his fallen angels in hell for all eternity.

So if you choose to join satan how does it make God a bad person?

shadeyinka:

Hell is a place of torment and there is no debate about that.
I have addressed the OP based on his argument that visiting a sin of 80years with a 1million years judgment is unfair.

Are you sure the Bible agrees with your definition of Hell?
The Hebrew word SHEOL and Greek equivalent HADES translated to HELL means COMMON GRAVE OF MANKIND and not a fiery place of torment.

Hell is different from Hellfire. the latter is a man-made not found in God's word.
Compare different translation together (ASV, byginton and others).

You'll find this helpful in your search for truth

CrazyMan:

Hell was created for Satan and other fallen angels who rebelled against God not man.

God's ultimate plan isn't to put man in hell but man is a free moral agent. Meaning man can make his own independent choice in life. We all have a choice to either follow God or join satan and his fallen angels in hell for all eternity.

So if you choose to join satan how does it make God a bad person?

God prescribed death/destruction as punishment for man/Satan (Gen 3:15,19. 2 Thess1:7-9. Romans 6:23. Matthew 24:36,37,39), una say God no know wetin Him dey do.
Issorait !

haddeylium:

Are you sure the Bible agrees with your definition of Hell?
The Hebrew word SHEOL and Greek equivalent HADES translated to HELL means COMMON GRAVE OF MANKIND and not a fiery place of torment.

Hell is different from Hellfire. the latter is a man-made not found in God's word.
Compare different translation together (ASV, byginton and others).

You'll find this helpful in your search for truth

Sheol is a general name for the place where people are domiciled after death.

Grave could mean literal grave/tomb- Under the ground or inside a hewed from the earth or rock or Sheol depending on the context.

Hades- is the Greek equivalence of Sheol and it could mean1. The Grave - The Place Of Bodily Decay
2. The Place Of The Punishment For The Wicked 3. Possibly As A General Term For The Unseen Realm Of The Dead. Hades is also translated as Hell

Gehenna- is the valley of Valley of Hinnom. An accursed place where some kings of Judah sacrificed their children. These later in history became a refuse dump that was continuously on fire.

Hell is not Lake of fire.

Sheol seems to be divided into two compartments. One is a place called Abraham's Bosom and the second compartment is Hell (a holding place for evil people). There is a gulf of separation between them.

Lake of Fire - it is the final place of rejection of those who have rejected God. It will contain both Hell, satan and the fallen angels and everyone whose name is not in the book of life. The lake of fire is EMPTY as of now.



I didn't mention Hellfire

shadeyinka:

That question is mundane!
As your understanding is different from the convectional, spill the beans. We can do quality discussion on this after

Let me oblige you..God is the totality of the consiouseness or active force (in Jehovah's witness language ) of the universe..it is the source of all creations..

Man is a created being, made from the dust of the earth and the spirit(or breath) of the creator.

Man was fashioned from the dust of the earth and the spirit or breath of God brought him to life, when God takes the breath or spirit. The body becomes lifeless and is either buried or cremated ...

People go a long way to organize elaborate burial ceremony because the body once housed the spirit of the creator...

Just as the psalmist rightly said "send forth YOUR SPIRIT and they are created and replenish the earth , take it and they die and return back to dust..psalm 104:29-31

shadeyinka:

State you mind as I don't answer senseless questions!

You are just defending what somebody else wrote blindly, without even understanding it. You don't know what God and Man are...

So sad .

shadeyinka:

Sheol is a general name for the place where people are domiciled after death.

Grave could mean literal grave/tomb- Under the ground or inside a hewed from the earth or rock or Sheol depending on the context.

I was thinking you would atleast use the concordance to confirm those terms

Sheol is the direct equivalent of Hades in Greek...
It means grave and not a fiery place of torment

some translation use Hell/Pit/Grave /Underground .
They all have the same meaning.

The Bible teaches that everyone is going to Hell/grave/pit

CrazyMan:

Hell was created for Satan and other fallen angels who rebelled against God not man.

God's ultimate plan isn't to put man in hell but man is a free moral agent. Meaning man can make his own independent choice in life. We all have a choice to either follow God or join satan and his fallen angels in hell for all eternity.

So if you choose to join satan how does it make God a bad person?

When was hell created? Because the bible says "in the beginning God created heaven and earth.....at which point did hell come into existence. Was it during the creative period of the 6 days or after God has finished creation and rested..
Or was it man who created hell to make you more easy to control ?

shadeyinka:

I didn't mention Hellfire

Good!
it's hellfire that means a fiery place of torment and not HELL

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I was thinking you would atleast use the concordance to confirm those terms

Sheol is the direct equivalent of Hades in Greek...
It means grave and not a fiery place of torment

some translation use Hell/Pit/Grave /Underground .
They all have the same meaning.
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I agree with you, that is where the body is going, ultimately to turn to dust. But Gods breath or spirit that once dwell in it and brought it to life will return back to God....