In Ephesians 5:33, Paul writes,

“let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.” In addition to his command toward men, Paul says a wife should respect her husband .Respect your husband, period. That’s the standard the Bible gives to women


In those days, Women were relegated to the bottom of social order. She is a treated like a property to be traded for money. A woman cannot be a chief. She belonged to the kitchen. Her son’s opinion is considered ahead of hers. Ancient woman know It is normal for a man to hit a woman .she dares not complain

Today, women go school. Women rule over men . Women are given lots of preference during divorce litigation. Today, we have lots of agitation for laws protecting women from disrespect.. Women now crave for respect. Women do not want to submit to a man. They want an equal. Few women want men that will submit to their wish.


Modern women dislikes submitting to a woman
Ancient men know that the women they marry got no feeling for her. He only respects her for his provision. He doesn’t care for her love. As long as she respects him , he is alright. Most women marry men who are capable of catering for her basic need. In essence, A woman would select richer men.

Today, women who marry men for his wealth are called gold diggers. Men crave more than respect. They want love. They want a man that would be there for him when he has nothing. They want women who love them for whom they are and not just what they provide.


Today women want love and respect. Todays men want love and respect. Respect is not just for men. Love is not just for women.

Did Jesus Christ teach that women where lesser than men in His Kingdom?

Did Jesus Christ in any way suggest that there should exist any form of inequality as far as His followers are concerned?

Did Jesus Christ not instead warn against any of His followers setting themselves up as authority figures over others of His flock

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ teach that women where lesser than men in His Kingdom?

Did Jesus Christ suggests that there should exist any form of inequality as far as His followers are concerned?

Did He not instead warn that no one of His serve as an authority over the others in His name?

And that the "least amongst us is the greatest"? Yet, here as op has pointed out, do we still have Paul rearranging the order back the way it was before Christ reordered it.

Goes to show how important it is to apply the use of the brain and mind God put in us or we'd likely not know whether to believe the words purported to be God's or Jesus' or those of Paul.

It is Highly Very Effective .

The Word of GOD Does not Change , even in a changing World.
The Word of GOD is as effective as it was in the Beginning .

Don't Deceive or console yourself , there are Men and women who are living the Word as it is written.

Everyone has a Choice to make and there are Consequences and results of our Choices

Gospelpreacher1:
It is Highly Very Effective .

The Word of GOD Does not Change , even in a changing World.
The Word of GOD is as effective as it was in the Beginning .

Don't Deceive or console yourself , there are Men and women who are living the Word as it is written.

Everyone has a Choice to make and there are Consequences and results of our Choices

The Word of God is Jesus Christ, not Paul or his letters.

The Word of God is the Truth of God...the words of men are lies unless they can be validated against the Word of God Himself.

Paul himself said this to you, "Let God be True, and man be a liar..".. Only test the words of men, even those men who walked with Jesus Christ Himself atainst the very teachings of Jesus Christ, the standard by which we are all called.

Just something to think on... Paul, like all the other disciples, is sleeping in his grave still, waiting for Jesus Christ to return and meet him with what he deserves. When Jesus Christ returns, He will never ask you if you obeyed the words of Paul to you... No, Jesus Christ will ask you if you obeyed His own teachinggs and none other.

Christianity vs Paulinism!

Kobojunkie:
The Word of God is Jesus Christ, not Paul or his letters.

The Word of God is the Truth of God...the words of men are lies unless they can be validated against the Word of God Himself.

Paul himself said this to you, "Let God be True, and man be a liar..".. Only test the words of men, even those men who walked with Jesus Christ Himself atainst the very teachings of Jesus Christ, the standard by which we are all called.

Just something to think on... Paul, like all the other disciples, is sleeping in his grave still, waiting for Jesus Christ to return and meet him with what he deserves. When Jesus Christ returns, He will never ask you if you obeyed the words of Paul to you... No, Jesus Christ will ask you if you obeyed His own teachinggs and none other.

Off Topic

Actually, the Word of God, as generally accepted by Christians at least, is the Holy Bible, which includes Jesus, Paul, Moses, Isaiah, Micah, etc, and not one single word can be taken as not so.

Jesus even said you should not read only one book or you shall become malnourised, after all, we all know there are not enough trees nor ink to fully write about God.

Hear Paul!

Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

I await the day when those who will follow Christ read more God books so their eyes fully open.

budaatum:

Off Topic

Actually, the Word of God, as generally accepted by Christians at least, is the Holy Bible, which includes Jesus, Paul, Moses, Isaiah, Micah, etc, and not one single word can be taken as not so.

Jesus even said you should not read only one book or you shall become malnourised, after all, we all know there are not enough trees nor ink to fully write about God.

Hear Paul!

Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

I await the day when those who will follow Christ read more God books so their eyes fully open.

Jesus Christ did not come to tell us that was generally accepted. He described Himself as the very word that emanates out of the mouth of the Almighty God, Jehovah. Without Him, nothing, not even man(prophets and opinions of me as documented in your many books) could have existed. God is True... The word out of God's mouth is Truth. We should never mistake that to mean the Bible or even all of scripture combined.

The words of men, evil and not to evil, all of them liars by default, are also recorded in those scriptures read. Only the word of God sent us through His prophets or directly through Jesus Christ is Truth.

So every word, even the words of Paul, must be validated against the Word of God, the standard for Truth in scripture and beyond.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not come to tell us that was generally accepted. He described Himself as the very word that emanates out of the mouth of the Almighty God, Jehovah. Without Him, nothing, not even man(prophets and opinions of me as documented in your many books) could have existed. God is True... The word out of God's mouth is Truth. We should never mistake that to mean the Bible or even all of scripture combined.

The words of men, evil and not to evil, all of them liars by default, are also recorded in those scriptures read. Only the word of God sent us through His prophets or directly through Jesus Christ is Truth.

So every word, even the words of Paul, must be validated against the Word of God, the standard for Truth in scripture and beyond.

I accept this as your own understanding, though I wonder how all men can be liars but you'd accept the words of some men.

Some say "What is truth?" And is why we all present our understanding as the truth though we know in ourselves that we do not know it all.

I love the fact that the book ends with:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Anyone who reads would know that the Bible itself began with one Word and will continue to evolve because it is as written that, "If all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean ˹were ink˺, refilled by seven other oceans, the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Surely Allah is Almighty, All-Wise",

So whom am I to remove Paul from that which came from God? Should one not try to understand it in its context to know what God might be teaching instead of deleting that which we might dislike because we do not fully understand?

Its a big book, junkie. [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A18&version=NKJV]Assuredly[/url], I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

N.b. buda is a hypocrite for constantly deleting "believe" and replacing it with "understand".
buda learnt it from James.

budaatum:


I accept this as your own understanding, though I wonder how all men can be liars but you'd accept the words of some men.

Some say "What is truth?" And is why we all present our understanding as the truth though we know in ourselves that we do not know it all.

I love the fact that the book ends with:

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Anyone who reads would know that the Bible itself began with one Word and will continue to evolve because it is as written that, "If all the trees on earth were pens and the ocean ˹were ink˺, refilled by seven other oceans, the Words of Allah would not be exhausted. Surely Allah is Almighty, All-Wise",

So whom am I to remove Paul from that which came from God? Should one not try to understand it in its context to know what God might be teaching instead of deleting that which we might dislike because we do not fully understand?

Its a big book, junkie. [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A18&version=NKJV]Assuredly[/url], I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

N.b. buda is a hypocrite for constantly deleting "believe" and replacing it with "understand".
buda learnt it from James.

I don't accept the words of men... I think I have explained this to you severally. I have even mentioned on more than one occasion a major clue that Jesus Christ Himself gave all those paying attention.." man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God.

Kobojunkie:
I don't accept the words of men... I think I have explained this to you severally. I have even mentioned on more than one occasion a major clue that Jesus Christ Himself gave all those paying attention.." man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God.

We are debating the understanding of "every word that comes out of the mouth of God".

For me, that includes what even you write, even when I do not agree with what you say. For it is the understanding that comes out of us 'God breathed into humans" that makes God Words. God did after all leave it to us to write what it is we read. No?

Jesus did not lie when he said those who live by bread alone will become malnourished.

budaatum:

We are debating the understanding of "every word that comes out of the mouth of God".

For me, that includes what even you write, even when I do not agree with what you say. For it is the understanding that comes out of us 'God breathed into humans" that makes God Words. God did after all leave it to us to write what it is we read. No?

Jesus did not lie when he said those who live by bread alone will become malnourished.

um..what?
uuumm.....

We are so not discussing the same thing at all... we don't even seem to be parked in the same zipcode at all.

Kobojunkie:
um..what?
uuumm.....

We are so not discussing the same thing at all... we don't even seem to be parked in the same zipcode at all.

That's why you should listen so you hear, if you want to, that is.

tobechi74:
In Ephesians 5:33, Paul writes,

“let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.” In addition to his command toward men, Paul says a wife should respect her husband. Respect your husband, period. That’s the standard the Bible gives to women

In those days, Women were relegated to the bottom of social order. She is a treated like a property to be traded for money. A woman cannot be a chief. She belonged to the kitchen. Her son’s opinion is considered ahead of hers. Ancient woman know It is normal for a man to hit a woman she dares not complain

Today, women go school. Women rule over men. Women are given lots of preference during divorce litigation. Today, we have lots of agitation for laws protecting women from disrespect.. Women now crave for respect. Women do not want to submit to a man. They want an equal. Few women want men that will submit to their wish.

Modern women dislikes submitting to a woman
Ancient men know that the women they marry got no feeling for her. He only respects her for his provision. He doesn’t care for her love. As long as she respects him , he is alright. Most women marry men who are capable of catering for her basic need. In essence, A woman would select richer men.

Today, women who marry men for his wealth are called gold diggers. Men crave more than respect. They want love. They want a man that would be there for him when he has nothing. They want women who love them for whom they are and not just what they provide.

Today women want love and respect. Todays men want love and respect. Respect is not just for men. Love is not just for women.

"¹⁰When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her,
“Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?”
¹¹She said, “No one, Lord.”
And Jesus said to her,
“Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”
¹²Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying,
“I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."
- John 8:10-12

If you know what went down in John 8:10-12, specifically John 8:10-11. You know. Who no know, remain dey there, siddon

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Ironic especially when we supposedly live in a man's world, lmso

budaatum:

That's why you should listen so you hear, if you want to, that is.

I understand where you are coming from even though I don't agree at all. I am taking the biblical stance set by God Himself on this is what -God is True, and man is a liar..essentially.

Kobojunkie:
I understand where you are coming from even though I don't agree at all. I am taking the biblical stance set by God Himself on this is what -God is True, and man is a liar..essentially.

You can only be taking "the biblical stance set by God Himself" if God wrote the Bible and you perfectly understand what is written in it.

For arguments sake, lets assume God wrote it. Can you say your understanding of what you read is God's exact stance?

Then consider that humans did write it and ask if they could possibly have written God's exact stance.

budaatum:

You can only be taking "the biblical stance set by God Himself" if God wrote the Bible and you perfectly understand what is written in it.

For arguments sake, lets assume God wrote it. Can you say your understanding of what you read is God's exact stance?

Then consider that humans did write it and ask if they could possibly have written God's exact stance.

God didn't need to write the book at all for to make His stance known...He made that known through His servants, and bid us all to trust that the God that spoke through those men to us is at least able to do just that.

Now of course we do not take the words of the prophets at face value..we are of course called to test His words.

Humans, when under the influence of God, can indeed express the Will of God.

Kobojunkie:
God didn't need to write the book at all for to make His stance known...He made that known through His servants, and bid us all to truet that the God that spoke through those men to us is at least able to do just that.

Hmm. Then God sent the only begotten Son to correct the teachings of the servants, and the only begotten Son taught us to connect to God directly via the Holy Spirit.

Why, Junkie, if the servants were as reliable as you make out?

Kobojunkie:

Now of course we do not take the words of the prophets at face value..we are of course called to test His words.

I see you've semi answered my question in the edit. I put it to you that not only must we test the words of prophets but we must continously test our own understanding, especially considering the word we read today have been misunderstood, translated, revised and God knows what else.

Kobojunkie:
Humans, when under the influence of God, can indeed express the Will of God.

And which humans would that be, especially when humans are the determinants of whom God influences? Can we not be wrong? Is it not true that some Lord Lords will gnash their teeth?

budaatum:

Hmm. Then God sent the only begotten Son to correct the teachings of the servants, and the only begotten Son taught us to connect to God directly via the Holy Spirit.

Why, Junkie, if the servants were as reliable as you make out?

God sent Jesus Christ to correct the teachings of the servants? Where in the Bible do you get this idea from?

Was it not the same Holy Spirit that was on God's servants in the days of old, the very prophets who wrote to you the message of God?

If that same Holy Spirit failed with the Old Servants, what makes you think He has not failed yet again?

Kobojunkie:
God sent Jesus Christ to correct the teachings of the servants? Where in the Bible do you get this idea from?

From reading my Bible. Jesus would have been unnecessary if the Old Testament had been understood.

Kobojunkie:

Was it not the same Holy Spirit that was on God's servants in the days of old, the very prophets who wrote to you the message of God?

Yet we seem not to have heard of it until Jesus informed us of it unless you mistake them for angels.

Kobojunkie:
If that same Holy Spirit failed with the Old Servants, what makes you think He has not failed yet again?

It is human understanding that fails, and not the book or prophets or Holy Spirit.

Hope you note the contradictions.

True

tobechi74:
In Ephesians 5:33, Paul writes,

“let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.” In addition to his command toward men, Paul says a wife should respect her husband .Respect your husband, period. That’s the standard the Bible gives to women


In those days, Women were relegated to the bottom of social order. She is a treated like a property to be traded for money. A woman cannot be a chief. She belonged to the kitchen. Her son’s opinion is considered ahead of hers. Ancient woman know It is normal for a man to hit a woman .she dares not complain

Today, women go school. Women rule over men . Women are given lots of preference during divorce litigation. Today, we have lots of agitation for laws protecting women from disrespect.. Women now crave for respect. Women do not want to submit to a man. They want an equal. Few women want men that will submit to their wish.


Modern women dislikes submitting to a woman
Ancient men know that the women they marry got no feeling for her. He only respects her for his provision. He doesn’t care for her love. As long as she respects him , he is alright. Most women marry men who are capable of catering for her basic need. In essence, A woman would select richer men.

Today, women who marry men for his wealth are called gold diggers. Men crave more than respect. They want love. They want a man that would be there for him when he has nothing. They want women who love them for whom they are and not just what they provide.


Today women want love and respect. Todays men want love and respect. Respect is not just for men. Love is not just for women.

The teachings attributed to Paul in Ephesian are doctrines and traditions that run counter to the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.

So, you decide. Do you follow Jesus Christ or do you follow Paul for you cannot serve two Masters - one that commands that He alone ought to be Master over you and another that tells you that indeed men can set themselves up as Master over you in addition to Christ.

tobechi74:
In Ephesians 5:33, Paul writes,

“let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.” In addition to his command toward men, Paul says a wife should respect her husband .Respect your husband, period. That’s the standard the Bible gives to women

In those days, Women were relegated to the bottom of social order. She is a treated like a property to be traded for money. A woman cannot be a chief. She belonged to the kitchen. Her son’s opinion is considered ahead of hers. Ancient woman know It is normal for a man to hit a woman she dares not complain

Today, women go school. Women rule over men . Women are given lots of preference during divorce litigation. Today, we have lots of agitation for laws protecting women from disrespect.. Women now crave for respect. Women do not want to submit to a man. They want an equal. Few women want men that will submit to their wish.

Modern women dislikes submitting to a woman
Ancient men know that the women they marry got no feeling for her. He only respects her for his provision. He doesn’t care for her love. As long as she respects him , he is alright. Most women marry men who are capable of catering for her basic need. In essence, A woman would select richer men.

Today, women who marry men for his wealth are called gold diggers. Men crave more than respect. They want love. They want a man that would be there for him when he has nothing. They want women who love them for whom they are and not just what they provide.

Today women want love and respect. Todays men want love and respect. Respect is not just for men. Love is not just for women.

Kobojunkie:
[s]The teachings attributed to Paul in Ephesian are doctrines and traditions that run counter to the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself. [/s]

Big fat lie

Kobojunkie:
So, you decide. Do you follow Jesus Christ or do you follow Paul [s]for you cannot serve two Masters - one that commands that He alone ought to be Master over you and another that tells you that indeed men can set themselves up as Master over you in addition to Christ. [/s]

1 Corinthians 11:1
'Follow my example, as I follow, the example of Christ.'

BassReeves:


Big fat lie

1 Corinthians 11:1
'Follow my example, as I follow, the example of Christ.'

Did you post that in response to what I said of what Jesus Christ Himself instead commanded?

Did Jesus Christ command you to follow men or follow Him,Jesus Christ?
Try to come up with a more appropriate response next time.

Kobojunkie:
The teachings attributed to Paul in Ephesian are doctrines and traditions that run counter to the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.

So, you decide. Do you follow Jesus Christ or do you follow Paul for you cannot serve two Masters - one that commands that He alone ought to be Master over you and another that tells you that indeed men can set themselves up as Master over you in addition to Christ.

Kobojunkie:
[s]Did you post that in response to what I said of what Jesus Christ Himself instead commanded?
Did Jesus Christ command you to follow men or follow Him, Jesus Christ?
Try to come up with a more appropriate response next time[/s]

John 21:17-18
'17Jesus asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?”
Peter was deeply hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time,
“Do you love Me?”
“Lord, You know all things,” he replied. “You know I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.
18Truly, truly, I tell you, when you were young, you dressed yourself and walked where you wanted;
but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands,
and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.”'

Who dressed you before you are young or were young?
Did you walk where you wanted before you are young or were young?
Before you are young or were young, whose example, would you have followed, if not that of another person who followed, the example of Christ.
Did you give any thought to all those situations, before posting what you said of what you alleged Jesus Christ Himself instead commanded?

Try to engage your upstairs for a deeply thought more appropriate response next time. Okay?

BassReeves:
John 21:17-18
'17Jesus asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?”
Peter was deeply hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time,
“Do you love Me?”
“Lord, You know all things,” he replied. “You know I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.
18Truly, truly, I tell you, when you were young, you dressed yourself and walked where you wanted;
but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands,
and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.”'

Who dressed you before you are or were young? Did you give that, any thought before post what you said of what you allege Jesus Christ Himself instead commanded?

Let me help you with that which Jesus Christ told Peter there.

1. Feed my sheep
*when they are hungry, give them food to eat
* when they are thirst, give them something to drink
2. Take care of my sheep
* when they are naked, clothe them
* when they are homeless, give them a home
* when they are sick, care for them
* when they are in prison, visit them

Jesus Christ gave that very same commandment to everyone of His followers declaring that those who do not obey .i.e. Those who do not do works of righteousness will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read Matthew 25 vs 31-46.


I am well aware that many of you have been fed lies deceiving you into believing that by those lines there in John 21, Jesus Christ somehow went against His very own commandment that none of His disciples occupy a position of leadership over the others, installed Peter as the leader of the gang.

However, what Jesus Christ instead did was sort of reinstate Peter by directly giving Him the command to do works of righteousness, the very Rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built on - Yes, Righteousness, the key to the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus promised to give Peter.

Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. He never contradict His own self not go against His own commandments in any way of form. Jesus lived the very same commandments He has given us, and He commands that we avoid every doctrine or traditions of men that do not conform to what He has commanded us. So why let ordinary men or your so called MOGs to continue deceiving you with their doctrines which are lies that Jesus Christ warned will only serve to render the power of God void in your lives -your worship meaningless?

Kobojunkie:
[s]Let me help you with that which Jesus Christ told Peter there.

1. Feed my sheep
*when they are hungry, give them food to eat
* when they are thirst, give them something to drink
2. Take care of my sheep
* when they are naked, clothe them
* when they are homeless, give them a home
* when they are sick, care for them
* when they are in prison, visit them

Jesus Christ gave that very same commandment to everyone of His followers declaring that those who do not obey i.e. Those who do not do works of righteousness will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read Matthew 25 vs 31-46.

I am well aware that many of you have been fed lies deceiving you into believing that by those lines there in John 21, Jesus Christ somehow went against His very own commandment that none of His disciples occupy a position of leadership over the others, installed Peter as the leader of the gang.

However, what Jesus Christ instead did was sort of reinstate Peter by directly giving Him the command to do works of righteousness, the very Rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built on - Yes, Righteousness, the key to the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus promised to give Peter.

Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. He never contradict His own self not go against His own commandments in any way of form. Jesus lived the very same commandments He has given us, and He commands that we avoid every doctrine or traditions of men that do not conform to what He has commanded us. So why let ordinary men or your so called MOGs to continue deceiving you with their doctrines which are lies that Jesus Christ warned will only serve to render the power of God void in your lives - your worship meaningless? [/s]

I will help you with getting the understanding with all that which Jesus Christ did about Peter there:

1. Are you, before you are young or were young, able to do any of 'Feed my sheep' and 'Take care of my sheep'?

2. Dont be ridiculous, Peter wasn't installed the leader of any gang, instead he was given responsibility. Paste here where Jesus say to Peter, that He has made him a leader of any gang

3. You're contradicting yourself, if you can type 'Jesus Christ gave that very same commandment to everyone of His followers' Do you see that?

4. Jesus is not saying anything new because if you had taken proper notice of Genesis 1:26, you would have known from that verse, that man wasn't intended to rule his fellow man nor have dominion over his fellow human being.

5. Your ignorance and truculent attitude betrays you, and reveals that you are unaware that, what Jesus did was psyching Peter up for the task ahead of him. Also, you overlook, the fact that, Peter, means 'rock'. Peter used to be called Simon, that means 'reed'.
Reed, is water plant that sways when any force, like the wind, pushes it. When a person is named after a plant, like 'reed' then it carries a sense of that person being a weak or impressionable human being. Peter was such a person, but masks this with his typical 'jump in with both feet' antecedent behaviour in almost every situation

Hence Jesus, the Rock, changed this disciple's name from Simon aka 'reed' to Peter aka 'rock, stone or boulder' to signify stability, strength, steadiness, robustness, not anymore be swayed by the breeze or winds of life etc because of now being firmly established, firmly fixed and so now he is to become solid, strong, unwavering etc

6. You should get yourself well aware to the fact that you sound better with your mouth closed and when you keep your crooked fingers away from the keyboard typing nonsense.

7. I sure would love to see you name who my alleged MOG is. Trust you, to go off on a tangent, personalising this and introducing many unrelated

BassReeves:
I will help you with getting the understanding with all that which Jesus Christ did about Peter there:

1. Are you, before you are young or were young, able to do any of 'Feed my sheep' and 'Take care of my sheep'?

2. Dont be ridiculous, Peter wasn't installed the leader of any gang, instead he was given responsibility. Paste here where to Peter, that He has made him a leader of any gang

3. You're contradicting yourself, if you can type 'Jesus Christ gave that very same commandment to everyone of His followers' Do you see that?

4. Jesus is not saying anything new because if you had taken proper notice of Genesis 1:26, you would have known from that verse, that man wasn't intended to rule his fellow man nor have dominion over his fellow human being.

5. Your ignorance and truculent attitude betrays you, and reveals that you are unaware that, what Jesus did was psyching Peter up for the task ahead of him. Also, you overlook, the fact that, Peter, means 'rock'. Peter used to be called Simon, that means 'reed'.
Reed, is water plant that sways when any force, like the wind, pushes it. When a person is named after a plant, like 'reed' then it carries a sense of that person being a weak or impressionable human being. Peter was such a person, but masks this with his typical 'jump in with both feet' antecedent behaviour in almost every situation

Hence Jesus, the Rock, changed this disciple's name from Simon aka 'reed' to Peter aka 'rock, stone or boulder' to signify stability, strength, steadiness, robustness, not anymore be swayed by the breeze or winds of life etc because of now being firmly established, firmly fixed and so now he is to become solid, strong, unwavering etc

6. You should get yourself well aware to the fact that you sound better with your mouth closed and when you keep your crooked fingers away from the keyboard typing nonsense.

7. I sure would love to see you name who my alleged MOG is. Trust you, to go off on a tangent, personalising this and introducing many unrelated

Jesus Christ did not teach you or any of His disciples any of these stories you are here spouting. Try to focus!
Again....

Kobojunkie:
Let me help you with that which Jesus Christ told Peter there.

1. Feed my sheep
*when they are hungry, give them food to eat
* when they are thirst, give them something to drink
2. Take care of my sheep
* when they are naked, clothe them
* when they are homeless, give them a home
* when they are sick, care for them
* when they are in prison, visit them

Jesus Christ gave that very same commandment to everyone of His followers declaring that those who do not obey .i.e. Those who do not do works of righteousness will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read Matthew 25 vs 31-46.


I am well aware that many of you have been fed lies deceiving you into believing that by those lines there in John 21, Jesus Christ somehow went against His very own commandment that none of His disciples occupy a position of leadership over the others, installed Peter as the leader of the gang.

However, what Jesus Christ instead did was sort of reinstate Peter by directly giving Him the command to do works of righteousness, the very Rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built on - Yes, Righteousness, the key to the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus promised to give Peter.

Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. He never contradict His own self not go against His own commandments in any way of form. Jesus lived the very same commandments He has given us, and He commands that we avoid every doctrine or traditions of men that do not conform to what He has commanded us. So why let ordinary men or your so called MOGs to continue deceiving you with their doctrines which are lies that Jesus Christ warned will only serve to render the power of God void in your lives -your worship meaningless?

There is nothing contradictory about my statement that Jesus Christ gave to all the very same commandment. Read what the same Jesus Christ told you and everyone else who wishes to enter into His Kingdom in Matthew 25 vs 31-46. He gave everyone of us the same key to the Kingdom of Heaven, telling us what we ought to do if we intend to gain Heaven.

That He gave to Peter, in John 21, the key to the Kingdom of Heaven, does not mean He did not give it to everyone else. He already did that through His teachings.

Actually, Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant which God promised His people and the teachings of Jesus Christ(Truth) are the details of that Covenant, the very terms and Conditions of the agreement who which His followers are to accept(trust) and obey. So when Jesus Christ commanded that His followers never serve in seats of power/authority, leadership or rule over their fellow men, that is what the new deal demands and it is those who accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ that are called Sons of God - they are those the Kingdom belongs to and this according to Jesus Christ Himself.

Jesus Christ did not "psyche" Peter. Peter already knew the Truth that Jesus Christ was speaking to Him. That morning after Jesus Christ Himself had made breakfast to feed His own sheep. And Peter, a man who was nothing but a mere fisherman before Jesus Christ knew the Truth His Master spoke to Him, and he did do exactly as he was commanded by Jesus Christ, as it is recorded in the book of Acts.

There have been many fables told of the meaning of "the rock" as far as Peter is concerned. One version has it that the Roman church claimed in the beginning that they were the true church of Jesus Christ because their church was literally built atop of the bones of Peter. There are other stories out there that attempt to explain the meaning of what Jesus Christ but you know one thing all those stories do? They all close on ideas that run counter to the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.

Throw away the doctrines you have been fed by men and instead accept(trust) and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ as presented you, and the Truth of God Himself will reveal Himself to you. That is what He said He will do if only you obey Him.

Kobojunkie:
[s]Jesus Christ did not teach you or any of His disciples any of these stories you are here spouting. Try to focus!
Again....

There is nothing contradictory about my statement that Jesus Christ gave to all the very same commandment. Read what the same Jesus Christ told you and everyone else who wishes to enter into His Kingdom in Matthew 25 vs 31-46. He gave everyone of us the same key to the Kingdom of Heaven, telling us what we ought to do if we intend to gain Heaven.

That He gave to Peter, in John 21, the key to the Kingdom of Heaven, does not mean He did not give it to everyone else. He already did that through His teachings.

Actually, Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant which God promised His people and the teachings of Jesus Christ(Truth) are the details of that Covenant, the very terms and Conditions of the agreement who which His followers are to accept(trust) and obey. So when Jesus Christ commanded that His followers never serve in seats of power/authority, leadership or rule over their fellow men, that is what the new deal demands and it is those who accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ that are called Sons of God - they are those the Kingdom belongs to and this according to Jesus Christ Himself.

Jesus Christ did not "psyche" Peter. Peter already knew the Truth that Jesus Christ was speaking to Him. That morning after Jesus Christ Himself had made breakfast to feed His own sheep. And Peter, a man who was nothing but a mere fisherman before Jesus Christ knew the Truth His Master spoke to Him, and he did do exactly as he was commanded by Jesus Christ, as it is recorded in the book of Acts.

There have been many fables told of the meaning of "the rock" as far as Peter is concerned. One version has it that the Roman church claimed in the beginning that they were the true church of Jesus Christ because their church was literally built atop of the bones of Peter. There are other stories out there that attempt to explain the meaning of what Jesus Christ but you know one thing all those stories do? They all close on ideas that run counter to the very teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.

Throw away the doctrines you have been fed by men and instead accept(trust) and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ as presented you, and the Truth of God Himself will reveal Himself to you. That is what He said He will do if only you obey Him. [/s]

Your problem is you're tunnel vision focused.

I would ask you again, before you were young, whose example of one following Jesus Christ were you following?

If Jesus Christ did not psyche and mentally prepare Peter, then why did He change his name from Simon aka reed, to Peter aka rock, boulder or stone?

All you've done above, is again talk nonsense in another of your blustering way

BassReeves:
Your problem is you're tunnel vision focused.
I would ask you again, before you were young, whose example of one following Jesus Christ were you following?
If Jesus Christ did not psyche and mentally prepare Peter, then why did He change his name from Simon aka reed, to Peter aka rock, boulder or stone?
All you've done above, is again talk nonsense in another of your blustering way

If you give me a name different from that which I was given by my birth parents, does that imply that your intention is to "psyche" me in some way?

Kobojunkie:
[s]If you give me a name different from that which I was given by my birth parents, does that imply that your intention is to "psyche" me in some way? [/s]

John 21:17-19
'17Jesus asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?”
Peter was deeply hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time,
“Do you love Me?”
“Lord, You know all things,” he replied. “You know I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.
18Truly, truly, I tell you, when you were young, you dressed yourself and walked where you wanted;
but when you are old, you will stretch out your hands,
and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.”
19Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.
And after He had said this, He told him, “Follow Me.”

Why was Abram's name changed to Abraham? Why was Sarai's name changed to Sarah?

Jesus understands the human soul aka psyche, because before Simon Peter, was formed, Jesus knew him. Before Simon Peter was born, he was sanctified. Now tell, did Jesus, ever at all, supernaturally and mentally prepare Peter? Yes or No