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What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 7:42pm On Apr 01, 2011
Here, we have a demonstration of one of the core problems with religious thinking. The murder of people for an act of burning a copy of the Qur'an in another country.

The New York Times:

[size=14pt]United Nations Workers Killed by Afghan Mob[/size]
KABUL, Afghanistan — Thousands of demonstrators angered over the burning of a Koran in Florida mobbed offices of the United Nations in northern Afghanistan on Friday, overrunning the compound and killing at least seven foreign staff workers, according to Afghan officials.

There were conflicting reports on the total number of people killed and whether two of the victims had been beheaded. Five Afghans were also reported killed.

The incident began when thousands of protesters poured out of the Blue Mosque in Mazar-i-Sharif after Friday prayers and attacked the nearby headquarters of the United Nations, according to Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai, spokesman for Gen. Daoud Daoud, the Afghan National Police commander for northern Afghanistan.

After disarming or shooting the United Nations compound’s guards, the crowd surged inside. Mr. Ahmadzai said that eight of the foreign staff workers, whose nationalities were not known immediately, were killed by gunfire, and that two others were captured by the mob and beheaded. Other reports said that the operations center was burned down as well.

The governor of Balkh Province, Atta Mohammad Noor, said that seven United Nations employees were killed in all, five Nepali security guards and two European international staff, one of them a woman. He said earlier reports of beheadings were unfounded; all of the victims were shot.

The crowd, which he estimated at 20,000, overwhelmed police forces and the United Nations security guards, and the weapons they used in the attack may have been those they seized from the United Nations guards, he said. He claimed that some insurgents disguised as demonstrators had used the protest as a pretext to attack the United Nations.

Gen. Abdul Raouf Taj, the deputy police commander for Balkh Province, where Mazar-i-Sharif is located, put the death toll at eight foreign staff workers and said there had not been any beheadings. The attack was carried out by “thousands of people,” he said. “Police tried to stop them, but protesters began stoning the building and finally the situation got out of control.”

A spokesman for the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, Kieran Dwyer, said the attack had occurred during a demonstration. “We can confirm there have been casualties, including U.N. personnel, but the situation on the ground remains very confusing,” he said. The casualties included some deaths, he added, but could not give a number or the nationalities of the victims.

Mirwais Rabi, director of the public health hospital in Mazar-i-Sharif, said 20 wounded Afghan civilians and five dead Afghan civilians were brought to the hospital in all.

Mr. Ahmadzai, the police spokesman, said the demonstrators were angry about the burning of the Koran at the church of Pastor Terry Jones on Mar. 20. Mr. Jones had caused an international uproar by threatening to burn the Koran last year on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, and demonstrations at the time led to deaths throughout Afghanistan, but on a small scale. Mr. Jones subsequently had publicly promised not to burn a Koran, but then presided over a mock trial and the burning of the Koran at his small fringe church in Gainesville, Fla.

Fran Ingram, an assistant at the Dove World Outreach Center, in Gainesville, Fla., said that the church had burned the Koran after a ceremony on March 20.

“We put the Koran on trial and we did burn it,” she said. Ms. Ingram said she and other church members were no more concerned about their safety than before the burning and the killings of the United Nations workers in Afghanistan. “We have a huge stack of death threats,” she said. “We take precautions. I have a handgun. A lot of us have concealed weapons permits. We’re a small church and we don’t have money to hire security.”

After news of the attack, Mr. Jones, released a statement expressing no regret for the Koran burning. He called the attack on the compound “a very tragic and criminal action” and called on the United States and the United Nations to take action. “The time has come to hold Islam accountable,” he said.

A prominent Afghan cleric, Mullavi Qyamudin Kashaf, acting chief of the Ulema Council of Afghanistan, called for American authorities to arrest and try Mr. Jones as a war criminal.

The Ulema Council recently met to discuss the Koran burning, he said. “We expressed our deep concerns about this act and we were expecting the violence that we are witnessing now,” Mr. Kashaf said. “Unless they try him and give him the highest possible punishment, we will witness violence and protests not only in Afghanistan but in the entire world.”

Last year, even though Mr. Jones called off his burning of the Koran, a subsequent wave of protests at NATO facilities in Afghanistan led to at least five deaths. In several of those incidents, Taliban agitators played a role, allegedly spreading rumors that the Koran burning had taken place. However, the Taliban have had little or no presence in Mazar-i-Sharif, one of the most peaceful places in Afghanistan.

The Koran burning at Mr. Jones’ church this time drew little attention worldwide, with only sporadic protests in the 12 days since it took place.

In other Afghan developments, six American soldiers were killed in a single operation in eastern Afghanistan on Wednesday and Thursday, a spokesman for the international coalition said Friday.

“I can confirm that six coalition soldiers have been identified as US soldiers, and were all killed as part of the same operation, but in three separate incidents,” said Maj. Tim James.

The operation, a helicopter borne assault into a remote part of Kunar Province close to the Pakistani border, was ongoing. The area is frequently used to infiltrate fighters from Pakistan. The purpose of the operation, Maj. James said, was to “disrupt insurgent operations.”

The governor of Kunar Province, Said Fazlullah Wahidi, said the operation began Wednesday as a joint Afghan and American air and ground operation in the districts of Sarkani and Marawara, close to the border of Pakistan. He said that 14 insurgents were killed and 10 wounded, but had no information about Afghan government casualties.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/asia/02afghanistan.html?_r=1

What do you think?
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Kay17: 8:05pm On Apr 01, 2011
Nothing much, a too usual scene. Attack on the innocent in the name of God and religion. I do not know any solution to this problem
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by benodic: 9:02am On Apr 02, 2011
it is really very sad indeed. i can not see myself killing people just because someone burned the holy book of my religion.

i will simply surrender the person to God and go on with my life giving unconditional love to all.
this is because i know that such action is due to narrow mindedness and lack of love.

there is really not much difference in consciousness between those who burn a religion's holy book and those that kill people because of such an action.

God is big enough to fight Its own battles.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Jenwitemi(m): 9:27am On Apr 02, 2011
The underlying threat of using religious fervour to wreck havoc on human lives is made evident again. The quran burning was done purposefully to provoke these violent reactions anywhere on the planet. This one looks like a test run to see the effect of this potentially deadly weapon. Imagine that we are seeing the mixture of these intolerant religions in the same communities more and more. . . the potential for Rwanda like killings are growing bigger and bigger by the day.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 10:22am On Apr 02, 2011
Burning the Koran does not give any one the right to kill. If Allah didn't want it to get burnt, then the fire wouldn't have consumed it anyways. So, if Allah allowed it to get burnt, why bother? The people killed ain't even closely related to the folks that burnt the Koran. So what common sense lies in there action?

Why instill fear to get respect? The most pathetic of it all is having Muslims in Western countries defend such barbaric acts by claiming those that burnt the Koran did so purposefully to provoke violence. Yet they think they have as much right to point their fingers at others but when you do same to them, the blasphemy law is quickly invoked.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Nobody: 1:07pm On Apr 02, 2011
A bunch of talking apes burn a mythology book in one part of the world, it angers some other apes who believe the book is special because it was sent down from the clouds by their sky daddy. So the apes who took offense to the act decided to kill some apes who didn't have anything to do with it,all because their invincible sky daddy told them to.

Humans are a special species indeed because without them and their narcissistic and arrogant religious attitudes, this planet would be boring!! grin
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 1:26pm On Apr 02, 2011
The silence of the Islamic countries and countries with a muslim majority population says a lot about this attitude in the service of Islam.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Nobody: 2:28pm On Apr 02, 2011
thehomer:

The silence of the Islamic countries and countries with a muslim majority population says a lot about this attitude in the service of Islam.

Lol, even sweetnecta hasn't gone on another incoherent rambling to justify the barbaric Arab religion. I'm sure he approves.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by benodic: 9:45am On Apr 03, 2011

The silence of the Islamic countries and countries with a muslim majority population says a lot about this attitude in the service of Islam.

well said, Thehomer. this is exactly the point that i have been making. A religion will always be judged by the action of its followers. The taking of human life is something that is very vile indeed and there is no excuse for it.

where then is forgiveness?
i am sure that they have not heard about it in northern Nigeria because of the elections or else by now some cities would have started burning by now too.

may God save us all from religious zealots.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Nattlil(m): 10:11am On Apr 03, 2011
Can humans fight for GOD what message are they tring to pass across i.e his is lame and powerless to fight his own battles maybe that best describes (ALLAH) and not God. They are all blood sucking demons imagine behaeding somebody gwassh dis vampires ought to wiped off from this planet. Death to all extremist
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by bonetalk(m): 2:27pm On Apr 03, 2011
If u read this news carefully, those miscreant came out from mosque after they have offered their evil prayer to kill, i am not happy with this religious. There no good Christian that can kill an innocent person because a Bible is burnt simply because Jesus Christ has taught and instructed them to be tolerant.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 2:52pm On Apr 03, 2011
Matthew 7 vs 17 "Even so every GOOD TREE bringeth forth GOOD FRUIT; but a CORRUPT TREE bringeth forth EVIL FRUIT."

Matthew 7 vs 20 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Image123(m): 7:34pm On Apr 03, 2011
The so called christians who burnt the quran are not christians but christains. They were quite insensitive to the plight of others, even if you don't care for yourself you should care for others. They willingly paved the way for the devil to destroy lives. Jesus did not send us to burn qurans or make statements, but to preach the good news. Wisdom is profitable to direct.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 9:22pm On Apr 03, 2011
Image123:

The so called christians who burnt the quran are not christians but christains. They were quite insensitive to the plight of others, even if you don't care for yourself you should care for others. They willingly paved the way for the devil to destroy lives. Jesus did not send us to burn qurans or make statements, but to preach the good news. Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Burning the quran doesn't in no way makes them less of a Christian. Whose plight were they insensitive to?

While I do not support burning the quran. Majority of Muslims, esp in the middle east always have an excuse for their murderous ways. They blame a girl wearing anything other than their NINJA-styled dress for getting raped. They are always pointing accusing fingers to every other people but themselves. An empty barrel makes the loudest noise. While would an average sensible human being with common sense take to the street to kill foreigners because their religious text was burnt somewhere over the Atlantic Ocean. It doesn't just make sense in no way. Its a total barbaric act and the fact that these people, Muslims, always have an instruction book to back their savage act totally crest the primary purpose of their organization in crystal stone.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Image123(m): 10:13am On Apr 04, 2011
^burning the quran is not christian. Being a christian is to be like/follow Christ. Christ didn't ask us to go and burn qurans, there's nothing positive done that way. A christian should have discretion, he shouldn't knowingly endanger his life or the life of others. A christian IS NOT a muslim. It's common knowledge that many in the muslim world would be incited by such actions and would cause harm to innocent lives and property in any part of the world. Those christains should have considered others that would be affected by their actions, others like you and me.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 6:33pm On Apr 04, 2011
Image123:

The so called christians who burnt the quran are not christians but christains. They were quite insensitive to the plight of others, even if you don't care for yourself you should care for others. They willingly paved the way for the devil to destroy lives. Jesus did not send us to burn qurans or make statements, but to preach the good news. Wisdom is profitable to direct.

Who are you to decide what makes a person a Christian? Is it written in the Bible that Christians are not supposed to burn Qur'ans?
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 6:40pm On Apr 04, 2011
Image123:

^burning the quran is not christian. Being a christian is to be like/follow Christ. Christ didn't ask us to go and burn qurans, there's nothing positive done that way. A christian should have discretion, he shouldn't knowingly endanger his life or the life of others. A christian IS NOT a muslim. It's common knowledge that many in the muslim world would be incited by such actions and would cause harm to innocent lives and property in any part of the world. Those christains should have considered others that would be affected by their actions, others like you and me.

This is simply a part of the problem. How can you not hold a murderer guilty for his actions? Why should those murderers feel that the appropriate response to a book burning is murder? Sit back and think about it for a minute. If someone bought copies of all the books that you own and burnt them or even bought copies of books written by you and burnt them, do you think the appropriate response is for you to go on a killing spree? These murderers need to learn that the world has progressed beyond such a barbaric mentality to one of dialogue. Even an eye for an eye will not give such a terrible result.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 7:37pm On Apr 04, 2011
Abi ooo. Even the Eye for an Eye concept was confined within the boarders of the ancient Israeli land because the Bible admits that the Israelis of those days were "Stiffnecked people", they had to be rehabilitated  because of the 430 years they had spent in slavery.

Was that the sole surviving copy of the kuran that was burnt? Whats wrong is wrong. Its as simple as that.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Image123(m): 8:56pm On Apr 04, 2011
@thehomer
did they send you to me? it seems your goal iS just to counter anything i say, i beg o! I'm not supporting the actions of the murderers. They say 'charity begins at home'. I think i should speak first and more to christians to correct their wrongs, before going to correct others who btw, well?
Christians are not supposed to knowingly offend others. There's no point in burning a quran. Knowing the muslims, they'll take it to violent levels, christians should be discreet and considerate of others at least, if not themselves.
Jesus said to love your enemies and do good to others, not burn qurans. Nothing good is achieved by burning qurans, go and preach the gospel, and read Matthew 5 instead.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 9:13pm On Apr 04, 2011
Image123:

@thehomer
did they send you to me? it seems your goal iS just to counter anything i say, i beg o! I'm not supporting the actions of the murderers. They say 'charity begins at home'. I think i should speak first and more to christians to correct their wrongs, before going to correct others who btw, well?
Christians are not supposed to knowingly offend others. There's no point in burning a quran. Knowing the muslims, they'll take it to violent levels, christians should be discreet and considerate of others at least, if not themselves.
Jesus said to love your enemies and do good to others, not burn qurans. Nothing good is achieved by burning qurans, go and preach the gospel, and read Matthew 5 instead.

Maybe they did because you've refused to fast for me.
Anyway, my point is that the pastor man has a right to burn his book. Consider this, even if the man had gone out and burnt another person's entire library of books, is the appropriate response to be that the should be killed? Or should aid workers be killed?
We simply need to move beyond this behaviour that anytime someone sneezes at the Quo'ran or its characters, people must die. I think these so called moderate muslims need to educate their fellow muslims on appropriate behaviour because they as a whole will be held accountable.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Sweetnecta: 10:33pm On Apr 04, 2011
@Gbenga bonetalk and oritameta etc;
gbenga didnt quite realize afghanis have gone through war experiences. similar behavior to those who went through war [eg nigerian civil war; the veterans were wild after the war]. there are two factors that lead people to bad behaviors; ignorance of what is good and blatant disregard to goodiness while choosing to do bad things.

Read the Quran, with its strict rulings, a knowledgeable muslim or a muslim who does not let his basic emotion [id] clouds his Islam will not be riled up to the point that he/she kills.

Oritameta refuses to acknowledge that the ancient israelites are the forefathers of the present jews, who are still stiffnecked. but more importantly, even back then, they kill people for Yahweh sake; those who didnt worship like them not for violating their books was the reason they destroyed Jericho, the Hittattites, etc. Just imagine if anyone had violated the jewish books back then. the jews of today are no different; they kill, pillage, rape palestinians specifically because they are not jews.

if Abraham was the father of the jews, the reason they have the right in palestine, so does the palestinian, for the same reason. Before israel, there was isaac. and before isaac, there was ishael the first and the only son of Abraham.

i want oritameta to point to a verse in the Quran that supports the killing in Afghanistan, and maybe he will also point to a verse that support crusade or inquisition, etc. the crusade according to former president bush is a thing relevant today.


of course my statement is no way in support or providing excuse for this bad behavior.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 10:46pm On Apr 04, 2011
Sweetnecta:

@Gbenga bonetalk and oritameta etc;
gbenga didnt quite realize afghanis have gone through war experiences. similar behavior to those who went through war [eg nigerian civil war; the veterans were wild after the war]. there are two factors that lead people to bad behaviors; ignorance of what is good and blatant disregard to goodiness while choosing to do bad things.

Read the Quran, with its strict rulings, a knowledgeable muslim or a muslim who does not let his basic emotion [id] clouds his Islam will not be riled up to the point that he/she kills.

Oritameta refuses to acknowledge that the ancient israelites are the forefathers of the present jews, who are still stiffnecked. but more importantly, even back then, they kill people for Yahweh sake; those who didnt worship like them not for violating their books was the reason they destroyed Jericho, the Hittattites, etc. Just imagine if anyone had violated the jewish books back then. the jews of today are no different; they kill, pillage, violation palestinians specifically because they are not jews.

if Abraham was the father of the jews, the reason they have the right in palestine, so does the palestinian, for the same reason. Before israel, there was isaac. and before isaac, there was ishael the first and the only son of Abraham.

i want oritameta to point to a verse in the Quran that supports the killing in Afghanistan, and maybe he will also point to a verse that support crusade or inquisition, etc. the crusade according to former president bush is a thing relevant today.


of course my statement is no way in support or providing excuse for this bad behavior.

Your statement may not be in support but it seems that your reference to the Nigerian Civil War was an attempt to provide an excuse for this bad behaviour but more importantly, do you condemn such a response? Do you agree that the pastor was well within his rights to burn his copy of the Qur'an? Those are the more pertinent questions.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by mantraa: 10:57pm On Apr 04, 2011
Why do muslims call Islam the "religion of peace"? This make absolutely no sense to me.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 11:39pm On Apr 04, 2011
mantraa:

Why do muslims call Islam the "religion of peace"? This make absolutely no sense to me.

Which reminds me of a funny quote.
"My religion is a religion of peace. If you disagree, I'll kill you."
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 1:12am On Apr 05, 2011
@Sweetnecta:

Its one thing to want to defend the actions of your fellow muslims but I'm not the kind of person you'd want to play the words game with. I didn't come up with the word "stiff-necked" of my own will. Its in the Bible, the same one you (muslims) say has been extensively falsified. Now, Ismael is the first born no doubt but you erroneously mention Ismael being the only son of Abraham and that his descendants are the Palestinians? Do you realize that from what you've just confessed, you've categorically broken off the false link you Muslims had hitherto had to Abraham. So who built the alleged Kabba if Ismael's descendants have always been living in Israel. Do you guys not claim that Abraham built it? *I'm spending more time laughing at your (Muslims) ignorance than I do writing this piece*

Yes the Israelite were stiff-necked and the Bible shows us how they paid each time they went against God's will. The destruction of the first and second temple and the sending to exiles on several occasions and the last of such which was the siege of Jerusalem in AD 70 in the Jew-Roman war was as a result of their stiff-neckedness. Their stiff-neckedness wasn't against neighboring kingdoms, it was actually because they joined their neigbours in idol worship. It was  for this that God punished them but guess what, he made a vow with them, an everlasting vow, because it's through them that salvation was to come to the world. Salvation through the Lord Jesus.

The Hittites and the likes you made mentioned were drove out of the land as God commanded the Israelite because God had promised Abraham to give the land to Isaac and his children. It should as well interest you that Abraham bought a piece of land from this same Hittites during his life time.

Next time, before you start writing about Israelis acquiring land through conquest, try reading the brief history of your own country Nigeria. read about how OYO Ile ruled and how it lost its kingdom even to the extent of relocating from the porch King Palace in OYO Ile to the present day Alaafin's residence. Better yet, read about the conquest of the Caliphates. Yes, The four Caliphates that ruled after the death of Muhammed and read about how they conquered lands and spread religion. Where was the Crusade fought? In Mecca or in Europe? Was the Caliphate and his army teleported to Europe? They fought wars, conquered lands and established kingdoms. Also, have you ever sat yourself down to reason how come a mosque sits on the Temple Mount? A Place that had housed two separate temples built by the Children of Israel to worship God. Did the Mosque disappear from Saudi Arabia to the Temple Mount? Was it not built after one of the Caliphates conquered and ruled over Jerusalem? Pointing at the details of wars fought, won and lost by the Israelite as a yard stick in our modern age is simple being hypocritical of sensible reasoning and common sense.

Now to the verses from Quran. After reading the above do you really still seriously think we should dive into that? really, do you think you can walk the work with me?

One last note, I'm deeply sorry if I sounded rude or disrespectful in anyway in the above post. Sincerely I am but that wont stop me from taking you head on though should you want us to kick ourselves in the balls and see who's gonna hurt the most. grin
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Jenwitemi(m): 12:24pm On Apr 05, 2011
I disagree totally with this statement. It is complete foolishness to say that the pastor is in his full right to burn the quran when he knowingly desecrated what is the holy book to billions of people on the planet. That is a deliberate act of aggression and he should be punished for it. The "pastor" is an agent provocateur and he should be severely dealt with. No priest of any religion should be accorded any right to burn the holy books of another religion. None whatsoever.
thehomer:

Anyway, my point is that the pastor man has a right to burn his book. Consider this, even if the man had gone out and burnt another person's entire library of books, is the appropriate response to be that the should be killed? Or should aid workers be killed?
The blood of those victims lies primarily in the hands of that lunatic "pastor" who instigated those tragic events knowingly. What should come next? Priests of one religion burning places of worship of another?
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 7:13pm On Apr 05, 2011
Jenwitemi:

I disagree totally with this statement. It is complete foolishness to say that the pastor is in his full right to burn the quran when he knowingly desecrated what is the holy book to billions of people on the planet.

Oh really? Is it appropriate to burn flags of other countries? How about burning their leaders in effigy?
Do you really think that a person does not have the right to burn his books?
Whether you like it or not, that pastor has a right to free expression.


Jenwitemi:

That is a deliberate act of aggression and he should be punished for it. The "pastor" is an agent provocateur and he should be severely dealt with. No priest of any religion should be accorded any right to burn the holy books of another religion. None whatsoever. The blood of those victims lies primarily in the hands of that lunatic "pastor" who instigated those tragic events knowingly. What should come next? Priests of one religion burning places of worship of another?

How does burning your book translate to burning another person's building? This is a slippery slope argument that simply does not work.
So you think the pastor should be punished? What punishment should he get? Committing mass murder I think generally gets one a life sentence or a death sentence so how should he be punished? Do you think the killers too should be punished?
I still do not understand why people think it is appropriate to give religious opinion some sort of free pass when such atrocities are committed. People who wantonly murder others are guilty for their actions not some one else who was well within his rights and freely exercising it.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by Kay17: 8:34pm On Apr 05, 2011
^^ In my opinion, a healthy limit has to be placed on this priceless liberty and in this case its an expression of hatred. Modern societies are multicultural, spaces of self determination are provided, such as one to religion, sexual orientation etc. Where no one is rejected and able to realize himself or herself. The pastor, while enjoying his freedom to hold his ridiculous beliefs, showed so much disrespect to the personal affairs of others ( by burning a relic of their faith and purpose to their lives). Its similar to Nazi propaganda.

The reaction was down right primitive.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by thehomer: 9:59pm On Apr 05, 2011
Kay 17:

^^ In my opinion, a healthy limit has to be placed on this priceless liberty and in this case its an expression of hatred. Modern societies are multicultural, spaces of self determination are provided, such as one to religion, sexual orientation etc. Where no one is rejected and able to realize himself or herself. The pastor, while enjoying his freedom to hold his ridiculous beliefs, showed so much disrespect to the personal affairs of others ( by burning a relic of their faith and purpose to their lives). Its similar to Nazi propaganda.

Of course. Do you think the pastor had the right to burn his copy of the Qur'an?
This is simply part of the problem and why I think religious belief should not have a free pass in discussion.


Kay 17:

The reaction was down right primitive.

Yes. So I take this as acceptance that the murders were unwarranted.
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 10:25pm On Apr 05, 2011
In my opinion, a healthy limit has to be placed on this priceless liberty and in this case its an expression of hatred.

What liberty should the healthy limit be placed? The one that so much gives people the right to kill at the slightest provocation or the one that permits going to the book store to purchase a book with your hard earned money and do as you so please with such book? Its a shame on your intelligence that YOU can make such claim without even sitting back for one minute to think through what is it you are implying.

Matthew 7 vs 5 : "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by vedaxcool(m): 10:59pm On Apr 05, 2011
Kay 17:

The reaction was down right primitive.

Well said, the article clearly indicated the word Mob, these people were in a frenzy, but this is highly condemnable as those that died were not invovled even remotely with the Burning, it reminds one of september 11, during which some Mobs attack mosques and even some muslims loose their lives. A mob is always an irrational set of individuals who take the law unto their hands this kind of thing happens every where, Law enforcement must always be ready to do their part. The pastor might come out more prosperous for this kind of attacks at sacred values, but like my brother sweetnecta said the Qur'an is really at heart and now even in mp3s grin.  And the funny thing is everytime a goff ball attacks Islam in the west he ends up selling the brand, as more intelligent individuals will research into the lies and slanders, the spread of Islam in the west has be helped by their unrestricted paranoia over islam, Islam is always in the news, for the
wrong reasons, Yet wise people keep unearthing the heap of lies and hatred against the Religion ALLAH has ordained for mankind. Did ALLAH say:

They strive to extinguish the light of ALLAH, yet ALLAH perfects it even more.

and indeed the Pastor is only doing us a favour, Cause every time he Burns a Qur'an ALLAH perfectshis Light even more, if only the Afghan Mob knew.

oritameta:

What liberty should the healthy limit be placed? The one that so much gives people the right to kill at the slightest provocation or the one that permits going to the book store to purchase a book with your hard earned money and do as you so please with such book?

How do this two compare? no country permits the killing of people at the slightest provocation, a more sensible comparison will have been restriction on the "right" to incite people, If a man burns a book in h back yard, who will be bothered or even know? But when a man creates a media hype on such actions which like is making an announcement to the world I bought a book and it is going on trial, and it will be sentenced soon, it is plain commonsense that his intenton or the actions we see was clearly to incite violence and gain popularity with such political satements. I bet those that are here saying the man has the freedom to Incitively Burn Book for cheap popularity are the same individuals that would say wearing a bouka is against civilised norms, indeed the Hypocrisy is stinks.

Can you point where the author supported killing at the slightest provocation as I understand the healthy limit he reffered to centres around tolerance and restricted expression of hatred and Idon't know which country gives the right to its citizens to kill people at the slightest provocation. Again you comparison of two "rights" is very fallacious, as you have the right to do to book what you want but not in manner that is designed and intended to incite people, a more sensible approached is that the media should not have given the man such attention which would have made it clearly his business.

Its a shame on your intelligence that YOU can make such claim without even sitting back for one minute to think through what is it you are implying.


oritameta:

Matthew 7 vs 5 : "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

Yes, funny thing is that Jesus name occurs atleast 25 times in the Qur'an, the man easily burnt it without remorse, Just as you Jubilant over it. wink
Re: What Do You Think Of This Action? by oritameta(m): 11:23pm On Apr 05, 2011
How do this two compare? no country permits the killing of people at the slightest provocation, a more sensible comparison will have been restriction on the "right" to incite people, If a man burns a book in h back yard, who will be bothered or even know? But when a man creates a media hype on such actions which like is making an announcement to the world I bought a book and it is going on trial, and it will be sentenced soon, it is plain commonsense that his intenton or the actions we see was clearly to incite violence and gain popularity with such political satements. I  bet those that are here saying the man has the freedom to Incitively Burn Book for cheap popularity are the same individuals that would say wearing a bouka is against civilised norms, indeed the Hypocrisy is stinks.

Is it a must that Muslims have to switch to the TV channel showing the book get burnt? Is it? Could they not just have hissed at the man's attitude and flick the channel somewhere else. Use your common sense!!! please, because I see someone burning a Bible on CNN, the next step of action is to take to the street and start killing anyone from the same country where the Bible was burnt? In what manner did it incite people? That he went inside a mosque to burn the Quran? What would have happened if it was a Mosque that got burnt?

Just about three weeks back, a group of Muslims burnt down a church in Cairo, Egypt because a Muslim got into a heated argument with a Christian. That Church had Bible[b]s[/b] in it. Did Christians anywhere else in the world take to the street killing Muslims?

Matthew 7 vs 5 : "You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

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