budaatum:
Those who know buda will tell you buda detests dishonest people and liars, so please do not lie to buda!

Truth is a bitter pill for you to swallow, I suppose is the matter now at hand

budaatum:
The truth is you, BassReeves, believe "this particular and peculiar serpent talked and did converse with Eve"!

The truth is stranger than fiction.

budaatum:
Those who know buda will tell you buda detests those who refuse to accept what they see with their own eyes, so please do use your own eyes.

You must have just learned the word 'detest'. Please go easy on using the word, as with overuse, you'll soon wear it out

budaatum:
The text clearly says on the day that you eat you shall surely die!

Numbers 26:65
'For the LORD had said of them, They shall surely die in the wilderness.
And there was not left a man of them, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.'

The text upon translation says on the day that you eat you shall surely die and I've shared with you earlier that Adam and Eve experienced both spiritual death and physical death.
In Adam's case, it took him 930 years to physical die, whereas in Numbers 26:65, for the Israelites estranged from God, it took them 40 years long for the whole lot all to physically die.

Give God some due credit and dont make Him to be a liar, as the wording of Genesis 2:17, before its translation to English etc, gave scope for a time lapse between the instantaneous spiritual death on that eventual day of disobedience and the later physical death, which I earlier did allude to.

BassReeves:
Truth is a bitter pill for you to swallow, I suppose is the matter now at hand

The truth is stranger than fiction.

So, what I can read in the text with my own eyes and clearly understand with my own God given mind is no more the truth, but what you tell me to believe in now the truth?

All I can say is, Thank you Jesus for spitting on the ground and for rubbing the mud in my eyes and ordering me to go bath in the Pool of Siloam so that my eyes may open and I can now see. Please Lord do the same for BassReeves. Amen.

Do know Bass, that you are not the first and I doubt you would be the last.

budaatum:


That's a confession, and you know it!

Jesus is only ever figurative, my Lord. Zealots just worship an idol they call Jesus, which is why they do not bother to seek an understanding of the idea that Jesus represents.

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you!

BassReeves:


Give God some due credit and dont make Him to be a liar, as the wording of Genesis 2:17, before its translation to English etc, gave scope for a time lapse between the instantaneous spiritual death on that eventual day of disobedience and the later physical death, which I earlier did allude to.

Just see how dishonest you are blaming translations for what is even written in the Hebrew in your attempt to worship a book!

When you open your eyes, you will accept that the authors of the text even in its original, are trying to hide something from you.

To Sonmvayina.
You will soon understand why I have immense respect for your not obeying the Torah despite how rude you can be!

LordReed:

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you!

You are correct. The Holy Spirit is not a thing to be disregarded nor wasted.

BassReeves:

Give God some due credit and dont make Him to be a liar....

The fact still remains that the entity refered to as God obviously lied when it is written that it said "on the day that you eat you shall surely die", because we both know Adam and Eve did not die on the day that they ate!

The question then should be, who lied and why? But are you brave enough to ask is the point here BassReeves, or will you just lie to yourself that Adam and Eve surely died on the day that they ate by doing wuruwuru to the answer you prefer to believe?

The Lord God Almighty can not be a liar! And if any 'God' is caught lying that can not possibly be God! And we humans will always judge our 'Gods' by God's fruits!

The question is, Has Jesus opened your eyes so you may see or will you continue to blind yourself to what you see with your own eyes?

budaatum:
So, what I can read in the text with my own eyes and clearly understand with my own God given mind is no more the truth, but what you tell me to believe in now the truth?

What you read is a translation and reading it without taking into account grammatical construction, coming from knowledge that the text originally wasn't written in English language

budaatum:
All I can say is, Thank you Jesus for spitting on the ground and for rubbing the mud in my eyes and ordering me to go bath in the Pool of Siloam so that my eyes may open and I can now see. Please Lord do the same for BassReeves. Amen.

Putting it on

budaatum:
Do know Bass, that you are not the first and I doubt you would be the last.

The day of reckoning is round the corner

budaatum:
[s]The fact still remains that the entity refered to as God obviously lied when it is written that it said "on the day that you eat you shall surely die", because we both know Adam and Eve did not die on the day that they ate!

The question then should be, who lied and why? But are you brave enough to ask is the point here BassReeves, or will you just lie to yourself that Adam and Eve surely died on the day that they ate by doing wuruwuru to the answer you prefer to believe?

The Lord God Almighty can not be a liar! And if any 'God' is caught lying that can not possibly be God! And we humans will always judge our 'Gods' by God's fruits!

The question is, Has Jesus opened your eyes so you may see or will you continue to blind yourself to what you see with your own eyes?[/s]

Adam and Eve spiritually died first, then physical death happened many 100 years later

budaatum:
[s]Just see how dishonest you are blaming translations for what is even written in the Hebrew in your attempt to worship a book![/s]

Worship a book? What dumb thing to say

budaatum:
When you open your eyes, you will accept that the authors of the text even in its original, are trying to hide something from you.

Let the hide and seek begin then

[s]To Sonmvayina.
You will soon understand why I have immense respect for your not obeying the Torah despite how rude you can be! [/s][/quote]

LordReed:


Your god is no different from the thousands of gods that men have concocted in their imaginations. Your god is an idea with no power that doesn't emanate from those who already believe, which is why you attribute to your god all the as yet unexplained phenomena and why your god cannot build something as relatively easy as a temple or write a book as compared to building a universe. It is also the reason why your primary relationship is not with a living being but with a book you imbue with divine import because your idea of a god comes from a book.

Only that that book changes lives like no other, in a positive way. And that God is reached to the innermost beings of worship and conscience for humanity in/with different locations, ages, intelligence and exposure.

budaatum:

The truth is you, BassReeves, believe "this particular and peculiar serpent talked and did converse with Eve"!

The True meaning of "Serpent" in the Bible means Extremely Cunning and Very Deceitful Lethal thing or person.

budaatum:

Those who know buda will tell you buda detests those who refuse to accept what they see with their own eyes, so please do use your own eyes.

The text clearly says on the day that you eat you shall surely die!

There are certain interpretations which Reasonably arise out of that text.

1) on the day... (Emphasis is on the day) Does it mean that specific day? As you rely on Or;

2)" ... you shall surely die" (Emphasis, is on the death or dieing) Does it mean that the death Will be and must be immediate? Or

3) Does it mean that the death would be gradual? (As Seen, thank God you insisted on "Seeing with your own eyes" which we see and have seen To be the Truth executed in this case.

4) And by this statement, "on the day that you eat you shall surely die", it clearly Proves and Means that AdamEve had Forever, Timeless and Limitless Life, but now, their life had an Expiry Date.

6) Nothing in that Statement specifies "When" the expiry date shall be effected.

7) Nothing in that statement specifies "How" the expiration date shall be implemented.

We know the "Whom" the expiration date shall be implemented upon and which "We Saw" was so implemented!

So based on the Seeings and Saw-ings, I can answer that "on the day that you eat you shall surely die" it was seen, that

I) God, the Judge Reserved and exercised the Right of implementing gradual death on the offenders.

Ii) He, the Judge Reserved to Himself, the "When" (Date) of implementing the death sentence.

Iii) He, the Judge Reserved to Himself the "How" Mode of implementing the death. sentence.

BassReeves:
What you read is a translation and reading it without taking into account grammatical construction, coming from knowledge that the text originally wasn't written in English language

The logical conclussion of what you say above is, the Bible is a corrupted book and it ought to be burnt. But I do not agree with your premise, and think the Bible is the most wonderful and amazing book available to us humans if read as a child as Christ said we must, instead of allowing all the junk you acquire as an adult to blind you from seeing the truth.

I mean, tell me anyone in any country on this earth who prospers without acquiring knowledge, BassReeves. Is Israel not prospering because it eats the Fruits of Trees of Knowledge? Is America not prospering because it eats the fruits of trees of knowledge? Is Nigeria eating the fruits of knowledge? Is Nigeria prospering? Is BassReeves not propering because BassReeves eats the fruits of knowledge? What do we read that kills, BassReeves, is it knowledge? Yet here you are telling me about "grammatical construction of English language" as if you have no eyes or a mind!

One thing that delights me about your type is that in truth you will never behave like ignorant Adam who walks past the the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, perhaps because you are not mere mud. You were born out of the womb of intelligent use the senses Eve, and even without realising it, you will always eat the Fruits of Trees of Knowledge or you will be literally, spiritually, and physically dead!

Dtruthspeaker:

The True meaning of "Serpent" in the Bible means Extremely Cunning and Very Deceitful Lethal thing or person.

Actually, the serpent means the consciousness in your mind. That which makes you think and wonder and consider things in your mind, which is precisely what you are resisting for fear that you will die if you do.

But let me tell you a secret. As the Borg would say, "Resistance is futile". Whether you like it or not, you will use your own mind!

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Only that that book changes lives like no other, in a positive way. And that God is reached to the innermost beings of worship and conscience for humanity in/with different locations, ages, intelligence and exposure.

The book is just the finger. God is not a book!

BassReeves:
Worship a book? What dumb thing to say.

Sounds dumb, don't it? Yet that is what you do!

budaatum:


The book is just the finger. God is not a book!

Never said God is the book?

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Never said God is the book?

Many do treat the book as if it were God.

Below is Christ's and Paul's responses to such people.

budaatum:


You are correct. The Holy Spirit is not a thing to be disregarded nor wasted.

Not at all.

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Only that that book changes lives like no other, in a positive way. And that God is reached to the innermost beings of worship and conscience for humanity in/with different locations, ages, intelligence and exposure.

Lagbaja Nothing For You!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-MeDtmIbA

Acehart:


You did not understand the OP’s bone of contention.

Okay

budaatum:

Actually, the serpent means the consciousness in your mind. That which makes you think and wonder and consider things in your mind, which is precisely what you are resisting for fear that you will die if you do.

So "simple ordinary thinkings" and "cunning, deceitful and twisted thinkings" (Serpenting) are the same to you!

And you wonder why people call you a Twisted soul and Satan like!

Dtruthspeaker:

So "simple ordinary thinkings" and "cunning, deceitful and twisted thinkings" (Serpenting) are the same to you!

And you wonder why people call you a Twisted soul and Satan like!

People will call buda whatever they want, all different things all according to their own understanding which is not only your's, but buda cares not about those who can neither hurt the body nor the soul of buda.

The fact you miss is 'Serpent' is used in the text because your aversion to it is well known and it will divert you from the truth, which is Eve found the fruit she ate was desirable for gaining Wisdom, and her eyes opened, and she saw she was naked and enslaved, which she freed herself from. And she did not surely die on the day that she ate of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, but she and her dumb husband Adam became free from the ignorance that enslaved them and they lived to a very ripe old age of 900 or so years during which she had many offspring who populated the earth and of which you today believe you are one, who is today being fed the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil by Christ so that you may learn to reach out for the Fruit of the Tree of Life and eat and live a long and fruitful life!

Glory to the Most Blessed Eve I say!

budaatum:


People will call buda whatever they want, all different things all according to their own understanding ...

No one calls Snake, a Sheep nor a thief, a Holy man, not even a 3 year old. But it is your right to be either a Snake or Sheep or a thief or Holy man. Your life, your drive.

Dtruthspeaker:


No one calls Snake, a Sheep nor a thief, a Holy man, not even a 3 year old. But it is your right to be either a Snake or Sheep or a thief or Holy man. Your life, your drive.

Those who want to deceive you will dress snakes in sheeps clothes. Is it because you can't reason for yourself that you can't think they might equally dress sheep in snakes clothes to deceive you?

Yes, dt. Your life your drive, indeed.

budaatum:
The logical conclussion of what you say above is, the Bible is a corrupted book and it ought to be burnt. But I do not agree with your premise,

What a load of crapola

budaatum:
and think the Bible is the most wonderful and amazing book available to us humans if read as a child as Christ said we must,

Practice what you preach

budaatum:
instead of allowing all the junk you acquire as an adult to blind you from seeing the truth.

All I've known is what I've learned over the years before becoming an adult

budaatum:
I mean, tell me anyone in any country on this earth who prospers without acquiring knowledge, BassReeves. Is Israel not prospering because it eats the Fruits of Trees of Knowledge? Is America not prospering because it eats the fruits of trees of knowledge? Is Nigeria eating the fruits of knowledge? Is Nigeria prospering? Is BassReeves not propering because BassReeves eats the fruits of knowledge? What do we read that kills, BassReeves, is it knowledge?

Wisdom is the principal, not knowledge. Wisdom is what you ought to purse, and as you pursue, pursue to getting understanding

In the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, the Rich Man in that parable narrated by Jesus prospered didnt? Of course he prospered, he succeeded in material acquisition at the expense of his soul being impoverished and damned.

The Ancient Greeks, one of the most influential civilisations in history, even at the period of Jesus' time on earth, fast forward to present day, it suffered the longest recession of any advanced mixed economy to date

budaatum:
Yet here you are telling me about "grammatical construction of English language" as if you have no eyes or a mind!

My comment was about the Hebrew phrase's grammatical construction and nowhere did I type "grammatical construction of English language"

budaatum:
One thing that delights me about your type is that in truth you will never behave like ignorant Adam who walks past the the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, perhaps because you are not mere mud. You were born out of the womb of intelligent use the senses Eve, and even without realising it, you will always eat the Fruits of Trees of Knowledge or you will be literally, spiritually, and physically dead!

James 1:5
'If any of you lacks wisdom [to guide him through a decision or circumstance],
he is to ask of [our benevolent] God, who gives to everyone generously
and without rebuke or blame, and it will be given to him.'

I wouldn't lampoon Adam as being ignorant because the bible said Adam, unlike Eve, wasn't deceived. Adam was no ignorant. It is Eve who was ignorant and deceived. Its frightful, that people who are so ignorant, have so much influence. See how easily Eve influenced Adam

Notice Adam and Eve never questioned God that they are not dead after eating the fruit of the tree, solely because as I already have shared, they in an instant, did spiritually die, only for physical death to be trotting right behind spiritual death to make its entrance.

All it would have taken Adam to do, is ask. Simply ask, not stretch out hand to receive fenced goods

BassReeves:


Notice Adam and Eve never questioned God that they are not dead after eating the fruit of the tree, solely because as I already have shared, they in an instant, did spiritually die, only for physical death to be trotting right behind spiritual death to make its entrance.

And what would have been the point of questioning a God whom they already discovered was a liar? To accuse It of lying, perhaps? I wonder what the point would have been since they were already free from the so called God whom they very rightfully already questioned what we read that God had told them by eating the Fruit in the first place. How wise they must have been, no?

And I wonder why you are now afraid to ask the question they didn't ask unless you are afraid that the truth will set you free too?

Oh, I get it. They died a spiritual death and then went on to be so blessed that they populated the earth with your very self included!

budaatum:


Glory to the Most Blessed Eve I say!

The first high priestess of Wisdom, may her many fruits continue forever.

BassReeves:


Notice Adam and Eve never questioned God that they are not dead after eating the fruit of the tree, solely because as I already have shared, they in an instant, did spiritually die, only for physical death to be trotting right behind spiritual death to make its entrance.

Is it funny that the one who said, in that day you will surely die but that didn't happen, is the one you consider truthful, while the one who said, you won't die but your eyes will be open and it happened, is the one you consider a liar.

LordReed:


The first high priestess of Wisdom, may her many fruits continue forever.

Aleluya Amen!

My Lord, do know that you are the first to see Eve for what she is. The next phase is to show how Mary taught Jesus to become a High Priest of Wisdom too, and why we must follow him in order to do greater things than he did instead of making an idol of him and stupidly bowing down to worship it!

budaatum:


Aleluya Amen!

My Lord, do know that you are the first to see Eve for what she is. The next phase is to show how Mary taught Jesus to become a High Priest of Wisdom too, and why we must follow him in order to do greater things than he did instead of making an idol of him and stupidly bowing down to worship it!

May I eat the fruit of this wisdom and my eyes opened my dear buda.

LordReed:


Is it funny that the one who said, in that you will surely die but that didn't happen, is the one you consider truthful, while the one who said, you won't die but your eyes will be open and it happened, is the one you consider a liar.

It is more than funny, my Lord. It shows how devious that which is refered to as satan can be. It meddled in heaven and turned some angels into demons, we read. It entered Eden and made out it was God when it can not possibly have been God for God can not have a need for ignorant slaves! It writes a book and enters our minds to blind us to what we clearly see for ourselves. And then it sends us out to preach its lies and deceit to the multitude so we will crucify the Christ it failed to tempt to bow down and worship it!

But God does not forsake us. The lies can not hide the truth just as darkness can not ever overcome the Light. But we must ask and knock and seek with all our hearts and souls and minds and beings in order to see, and then, as that Muttleylaff's siggy whom I so miss used to say, and as is written in the words that the living Jesus spoke which was hidden least we read with our own eyes and our minds open:

Jesus says: “The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds. And when he finds, he will be dismayed. And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished. And he will be king over the All. For Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.”
Gospel of Didymos Judas Thomas

May we all have mud rubbed in our eyes so we may go wash in the Pool of Siloam and may see!

budaatum:


It is more than funny, my Lord. It shows how devious that which is refered to as satan can be. It meddled in heaven and turned some angels into demons, we read. It entered Eden and made out it was God when it can not possibly have been God for God can not have a need for ignorant slaves! It writes a book and enters our minds to blind us to what we clearly see for ourselves. And then it sends us out to preach its lies and deceit to the multitude so we will crucify the Christ it failed to tempt to bow down and worship it!

But God does not forsake us. The lies can not hide the truth just as darkness can not ever overcome the Light. But we must ask and knock and seek with all our hearts and souls and minds and beings in order to see, and then, as that Muttleylaff's siggy whom I so miss used to say, and as is written in the words that the living Jesus spoke which was hidden least we read with our own eyes and our minds open:

Jesus says: “The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds. And when he finds, he will be dismayed. And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished. And he will be king over the All. For Whoever finds the meaning of these words will not taste death.”
Gospel of Didymos Judas Thomas

May we all have mud rubbed in our eyes so we may go wash in the Pool of Siloam and may see!

Hey what happened to good old Muttleylaff? Haven't seen him comment in a long while.