A study in the UK showed that Jews had the highest rates of infections from covid while atheists/non religious had the lowest. Muslims had the second highest infections.


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Empiree, how far?

So wetin concern us with this UK stats?

Is Covid-19 the only killer disease around?

And how is the relation btw covid-19 and religion important to us?

Being a Muslim doesn't necessarily mean we would be healthy and rich!

Prophets who were our examples became sick and some where poor!

Rashduct4luv:
So wetin concern us with this UK stats?

Is Covid-19 the only killer disease around?

And how is the relation btw covid-19 and religion important to us?

Being a Muslim doesn't necessarily mean we would be healthy and rich!

Prophets who were our examples became sick and some where poor!

What you are saying is very true.

However, many of your muslim brethren believe that Islam has an answer to the epidemic.

There was a thread here that claimed Islam has good practices for pandemics

Furthermore, some even claim health benefits to.eating Halal foods.

Now, it is clear that you have enough work cut out for you- you must educate your muslim brethren on the fact that being a Muslim does not guarantee good health.

Rashduct4luv:
So wetin concern us with this UK stats?

Is Covid-19 the only killer disease around?

And how is the relation btw covid-19 and religion important to us?

Being a Muslim doesn't necessarily mean we would be healthy and rich!

Prophets who were our examples became sick and some where poor!

Abdul mention the prophet that was sick?

Outside your prophet which prophet are you talking about?

Mikecold:
Abdul mention the prophet that was sick?

Outside your prophet who was sick from poison and died from it, which prophet are you talking about?

And how is this related to the thread?

Poison is not the worst death. I think birthday beheading and army lashing, mocking and Crucifixion are worse!
If you were to pick one type of death for yourself out of:

A. Being poisoned and dying after several months.

B. Being beheaded as a birthday gift.

C. Being mocked, Lashed, humiliated and then crucified.

I know you would follow Biblical Jesus and die that kind of death!

Mikecold:
Abdul mention the prophet that was sick?

Outside your prophet who was sick from poison and died from it, which prophet are you talking about?

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Empiree, AntiChristian, NeoWanZaeed is camel urine not useful again? Why Muslims in SECOND POSITION despite the fact that UK is NOT an Islamic state

"A tradtionalist told me from one who had told him from Muhammad b. Talha from Uthman v. Abdul-Rahman that in the raid of Muharib and B.
Thalaba the apostle had captured a slave called Yasar, and he put him in charge of his milch-camels to shepherd them in the neighborhood of al-Jamma. Some men of Qays of Kubba of Bajila came to the apostle suffering from an epidemic and enlarged spleens, and the apostle told them that if they went to the milch camels and drank their milk and their urine they would recover, so off they went.

From The Sirat Rasul Allah ( The Life of The Prophet of God ), by Ibn Ishaq (3) pages 677, 678






Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink , their milk and urine (as a medicine).

Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794



Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of 'Uraina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncongenial. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right.

Sahih Muslim 16:4130

AntiChristian:


And how is this related to the thread?

Poison is not the worst death. I think birthday beheading and army lashing, mocking and Crucifixion are worse!
If you were to pick one type of death for yourself out of:

A. Being poisoned and dying after several months.

B. Being beheaded as a birthday gift.

C. Being mocked, Lashed, humiliated and then crucified.

I know you would follow Biblical Jesus and die that kind of death!

Biblical Jesus Christ resurrected on the third day, in which he's alive till today. Same as Quranic Jesus, Quran made you to understand that HE'S ALIVE TILL TODAY the only difference is that Quranic Jesus was not nailed on the Cross but he disappeared to heaven but you never ask from your leaders in Islam how come he disappeared to heaven?

SO WE'LL RATHER CHOOSE BIBLICAL JESUS CHRIST or QURANIC JESUS CHRIST simply because HE IS ALIVE till today rather that chosen one PROPHET THAT WAS POISONED to death

AntiChristian:


And how is this related to the thread?

Poison is not the worst death. I think birthday beheading and army lashing, mocking and Crucifixion are worse!
If you were to pick one type of death for yourself out of:

A. Being poisoned and dying after several months.

B. Being beheaded as a birthday gift.

C. Being mocked, Lashed, humiliated and then crucified.

I know you would follow Biblical Jesus and die that kind of death!

You don't make reckless false statement and except not to be corrected.

If you accept the story of Christ crucifixion (which Islam claims he wasn't) then you must also accept all the narrative that is ascribed to his crucifixion (you can't cherry pick).

On that note the crucifixion of christ has a purpose, it was a decision Christ agreed to embark on and had a choice on.

Having a choice on how you should end is not a luxury for everyone

The so called humilators of Christ wouldn't have laid a finger on him if he didn't allow them.

Christ resurrected triumphantly and conquered death (the highest effect the so called humilation had on him).

So Jesus ended as a king by subduing death.

All other prophets died in comfortable states without pains at old age (Moses eyes never deemed till death)

The Apostles of Christ who died painful death paid the price of spreading the gospel with their lives, they all had a choice to evade such deaths if they wanted to by denying the gospel.

So all these deaths weren't humilation to those who choosed them, if it was they had a choice to escape them (they were man enough to take it)


Compare all this to Mohamed who didn't die a peaceful death like the prophets, who wasn't faced with threat of denouncing the Quran yet died a shameful death by poising of his internal organs through a Jewish woman whom he was saving for sex (Death for selfish end not his god)

Mohamed would never had choosed such a way to die, he felt so humiliated he killed the woman when he found out she humiliated him as a false prophet who couldn't tell a poisoned meat cum dieing like a mere rat

ANTIlSLAM:
Empiree, AntiChristian, NeoWanZaeed is camel urine not useful again? Why Muslims in SECOND POSITION despite the fact that UK is NOT an Islamic state

"A tradtionalist told me from one who had told him from Muhammad b. Talha from Uthman v. Abdul-Rahman that in the raid of Muharib and B.
Thalaba the apostle had captured a slave called Yasar, and he put him in charge of his milch-camels to shepherd them in the neighborhood of al-Jamma. Some men of Qays of Kubba of Bajila came to the apostle suffering from an epidemic and enlarged spleens, and the apostle told them that if they went to the milch camels and drank their milk and their urine they would recover, so off they went.

From The Sirat Rasul Allah ( The Life of The Prophet of God ), by Ibn Ishaq (3) pages 677, 678






Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink , their milk and urine (as a medicine).

Sahih Bukhari 8:82:794



Anas b. Malik reported that some people belonging (to the tribe) of 'Uraina came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Medina, but they found its climate uncongenial. So Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to them: If you so like, you may go to the camels of Sadaqa and drink their milk and urine. They did so and were all right.

Sahih Muslim 16:4130

Wow, camel urine

allah messenger must have been the best medical expert in his time

Mikecold:
Wow, camel urine

allah messenger must have been the best medical expert in his time

But you believe Jesus used spit to open someone's eyes! Can you do same today? By Allah's leave we use camel urine and it works!

Awon oponu gbogbo!

Mikecold:
Wow, camel urine

allah messenger must have been the best medical expert in his time

AntiChristian:



But you believe Jesus used spit to open someone's eyes! Can you do same today? By Allah's leave we use camel urine and it works!

Awon oponu gbogbo!

Yes that was Jesus the miraculous, he did it himself because there was no way spit can open eyes on its own.

But Mohamed instructed his slave to go drink camel waste product as a medication not miracle

Camel urine as cure for ailment is medically certified to be false and miraculously certified to be false because allah said he gave Mohamed no signs nor miracles

Mikecold:
Yes that was Jesus the miraculous, he did it himself because there was no way spit can open eyes on its own.

But Mohamed instructed his slave to go drink camel waste product as a medication not miracle

Camel urine as cure for ailment is medically certified to be false and miraculously certified to be false because allah said he gave Mohamed no signs nor miracles

Human spit is not a waste like camel urine abi?

Can you give us this false medical certification you downloaded on Camel Urine?

We believed it and used it and it worked for me and my family. So to hell with your opinions!

AntiChristian:


Human spit is not a waste like camel urine abi?

Can you give us this false medical certification you downloaded on Camel Urine?

We believed it and used it and it worked for me and my family. So to hell with your opinions!

This is too slow even for slavery standard

Jesus didn't prescribe spit as medication, he performed a miracle with it (just as clay can't create living bird but he performed miracle with it)

But Mohamed the medical expert wasn't performing a miracle but was giving a medication for centuries after him.

Camel urine has been certified by the World Health Organization to not just be a non cure for ailment but a carrier of diseases.

Hope you know WHO is the only global health agency mandated to regulate the health situation in the world.

It is not my opinion, your drinking camel urine concerns the world before you go and infect the world with deadly disease

Mikecold:
This is too slow even for slavery standard

Jesus didn't prescribe spit as medication, he performed a miracle with it (just as clay can't create living bird but he performed miracle with it)

But Mohamed the medical expert wasn't performing a miracle but was giving a medication for centuries after him.

Camel urine has been certified by the World Health Organization to not just be a non cure for ailment but a carrier of diseases.

Hope you know WHO is the only global health agency mandated to regulate the health situation in the world.

It is not my opinion, your drinking camel urine concerns the world before you go and infect the world with deadly disease

Deadly disease ko Deadly disease ni! The same WHO that kept making mistakes during this pandemic! So WHO has now become your scripture source? Anyways, there are scientific researches that we trust on camel urine and milk apart from it being a Prophetic medicine.

WHO has gone against some medicines which they later accept. So we keep our belief on it.

And here is an extract of your opinion which you fail to read to the end:

The World Health Organization has said that camels are the source of the Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus and has urged people who have "diabetes, renal failure, chronic lung disease, and immunocompromised persons are considered to be at high risk of severe disease from MERS-CoV infection" to avoid contact with camels, drinking raw camel milk or camel urine, or eating meat that has not been properly cooked.[7][8][3][9][10][11] Experimental infections of dromedaries with MERS‐CoV didn't show any evidence of virus in the urine. Therefore, the camel urine is an unlikely source of virus transmission to humans.[12][13]
However, a study published on the NCBI website says that camel urine contains anti-cancerous agents.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_urine

“I am pleased with Allah as a Lord, Islam as a deen and Muhammad as a Prophet".

AntiChristian:




Deadly disease ko Deadly disease ni! The same WHO that kept making mistakes during this pandemic! So WHO has now become your scripture source? Anyways, there are scientific researches that we trust on camel urine and milk apart from it being a Prophetic medicine.

WHO has gone against some medicines which they later accept. So we keep our belief on it.

And here is an extract of your opinion which you fail to read to the end:

The World Health Organization has said that camels are the source of the Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus and has urged people who have "diabetes, renal failure, chronic lung disease, and immunocompromised persons are considered to be at high risk of severe disease from MERS-CoV infection" to avoid contact with camels, drinking raw camel milk or camel urine, or eating meat that has not been properly cooked.[7][8][3][9][10][11] Experimental infections of dromedaries with MERS‐CoV didn't show any evidence of virus in the urine. Therefore, the camel urine is an unlikely source of virus transmission to humans.[12][13]
However, a study published on the NCBI website says that camel urine contains anti-cancerous agents.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_urine

Your problem is Ignorance.

Drinking camel urine as a prescribed medication for ailment isn't miraculous or spiritual, it is a medical prescription for ages to come (so the purpose of attaching scripture as basics is defeated).

We would only look at it from the medical perceptive it was given.

If we talk of medicine WHO which the Islamic states are part of remains the only globally trusted agency to regulate medicine and it's practice which disease and cure fall under.

Your excuse for some fantom mistakes is on sinking sand because WHO supposed mistake was on covid 19 transmission from human to human (i.e Nose mask or no Nose mask)

It was never was in doubt about what the disease was, wether it could be transmitted through animals (e.g bats, camel) which was certified at the earliest.

It was never also in doubt of what could not cure it (e.g the various conconsion it listed and dismissed)

The fact that camel urine as a medication has been dismissed for curing ailment is because it is a conconsion it has tested to be false.

Who are the supposed scientists who have concluded it's a medication, you mean the Islamic fundamentalists like you that have choose to believe Mohamed medical recommendation against medicine itself.

You conclude on WHO by saying it has gone against some medicine which it later approve just to give yourself hope.

Are you aware that WHO has made this research and conclusion for years now and still yet to revert on its decision.

Yes i read the article to the end Dromedaries is just a specie of camel among others which was tested to show no evidence of MERS-CoV that doesn't conclude all camels to be free from MERS-CoV because their are other species that was tested to arrive at the finding.

The Wikipedia page on camel urine was uploaded by a camel urine Islamic enthusiast who tried to justify it from Islamic perspective while getting bursted by WHO report that contradicts his Islamic narration

NCBI finding on anticancerous agents in camel is invalid since same camel is a source of MERS-Cov, there are other animals that can give same anticancerous agents without giving an instant deadly MERS-Cov in exchange

Mikecold:
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AntiChristian:


K

You want to show me you can read the alphabet.

Can you now tell me why Mohammed father was Abdullah the slave of allah even when he was slave to an idol

Mikecold:
You want to show me you can read the alphabet.

Can you now tell me why Mohammed father was Abdullah the slave of allah even when he was slave to an idol

Shake head!

First and foremost the explanation won't suffice you. All you want is to "derep" Islam and our Prophet and you'll always end up disgraced here in this world and in the next.

To Answer you:

You should note that Arabian societies before Islam were not atheistic societies that denied the existence of Allaah, or societies that were unaware that there is a Lord, Creator and Provider. They knew that, and they still retained some traces of the religion of Ibraaheem, and they had contact with Jews and Christians. But their problem was that they did not worship Allaah Alone in exclusion to others; they had other gods whom they associated in worship with Him, and which they worshipped not on the basis that they were the Lord, the Creator the Provider, but because they claimed that these were intermediaries who would intercede between them and Allaah and bring them closer to Allaah. Hence Allaah said concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):
“And if you (O Muhammad) ask them: ‘Who has created the heavens and the earth,’ they will certainly say: ‘Allaah’” [Luqmaan 31:25]

This indicates that they acknowledged that Allaah is the Creator. Another aayah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And verily, if you ask them: ‘Who created the heavens and the earth?’ Surely, they will say: ‘Allaah (has created them)’”
[al-Zumar 39:38]

Many aayaat indicated that they believed in the Unity of Lordship (Tawheed al-Ruboobiyyah); their shirk was with regard to divinity (uloohiyyah), as Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who take Awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah’” [al-Zumar 39:3]

i.e., they said, we only worship them so that they may bring us closer to Allaah.

I hope your question ends here!

AntiChristian:


Shake head!

First and foremost the explanation won't suffice you. All you want is to "derep" Islam and our Prophet and you'll always end up disgraced here in this world and in the next.

To Answer you:

You should note that Arabian societies before Islam were not atheistic societies that denied the existence of Allaah, or societies that were unaware that there is a Lord, Creator and Provider. They knew that, and they still retained some traces of the religion of Ibraaheem, and they had contact with Jews and Christians. But their problem was that they did not worship Allaah Alone in exclusion to others; they had other gods whom they associated in worship with Him, and which they worshipped not on the basis that they were the Lord, the Creator the Provider, but because they claimed that these were intermediaries who would intercede between them and Allaah and bring them closer to Allaah. Hence Allaah said concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):
“And if you (O Muhammad) ask them: ‘Who has created the heavens and the earth,’ they will certainly say: ‘Allaah’” [Luqmaan 31:25]

This indicates that they acknowledged that Allaah is the Creator. Another aayah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And verily, if you ask them: ‘Who created the heavens and the earth?’ Surely, they will say: ‘Allaah (has created them)’”
[al-Zumar 39:38]

Many aayaat indicated that they believed in the Unity of Lordship (Tawheed al-Ruboobiyyah); their shirk was with regard to divinity (uloohiyyah), as Allaah says concerning them (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who take Awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, lords, gods) besides Him (say): ‘We worship them only that they may bring us near to Allaah’” [al-Zumar 39:3]

i.e., they said, we only worship them so that they may bring us closer to Allaah.

I hope your question ends here!

You can not conclude i am here to "demar" your religion simply because i ask questions on it, it only becomes dereping when you are left na.ked without answering them according.

Why not rep islam by answering my questions effectively it's very simple

We are all here to seek knowledge

To your answer, you actually answered nothing.

There is no disputing that Arabs believed in a form of supreme being and had contacts with Christian's and Jews.

It is also irrelevant the subject of their confusion and intermediaries they choosed to reach him.

The issue is the pagans worshipped a god named allah which predated islam (and the first prophet to establish it).

Muslims claim Allah is the personal name of God so it's beyond a title (i.e MR) it is a personal name (i.e Smith) this is why Islam doesn't substitute that personal name for God in any Islamic creed.

So my friend how come a personal name that isn't a genre of title was been used and revealed for an idol that existed before the genuine god came along?

Would a God choose a personal name that defiles him before hand.


And please don't derail this question with tears of i don't want to learn, because you should be able to defend every angle of your belief

Mikecold:
You can not conclude i am here to "demar" your religion simply because i ask questions on it, it only becomes dereping when you are left na.ked without answering them according.

Why not rep islam by answering my questions effectively it's very simple

We are all here to seek knowledge

To your answer, you actually answered nothing.

There is no disputing that Arabs believed in a form of supreme being and had contacts with Christian's and Jews.

It is also irrelevant the subject of their confusion and intermediaries they choosed to reach him.

The issue is the pagans worshipped a god named allah which predated islam (and the first prophet to establish it).

Muslims claim Allah is the personal name of God so it's beyond a title (i.e MR) it is a personal name (i.e Smith) this is why Islam doesn't substitute that personal name for God in any Islamic creed.

So my friend how come a personal name that isn't a genre of title was been used and revealed for an idol that existed before the genuine god came along?

Would a God choose a personal name that defiles him before hand.

And please don't derail this question with tears of i don't want to learn, because you should be able to defend every angle of your belief

I have already said the answer would never suffice you before and this means my assertions are right.

1. Bring the evidence that there was ever an idol named Allaah as you claim!

2. And Explain how the names defiles Him as you claim?

Mikecold:
Your problem is Ignorance.

Drinking camel urine as a prescribed medication for ailment isn't miraculous or spiritual, it is a medical prescription for ages to come (so the purpose of attaching scripture as basics is defeated).

We would only look at it from the medical perceptive it was given.

If we talk of medicine WHO which the Islamic states are part of remains the only globally trusted agency to regulate medicine and it's practice which disease and cure fall under.

Your excuse for some fantom mistakes is on sinking sand because WHO supposed mistake was on covid 19 transmission from human to human (i.e Nose mask or no Nose mask)

It was never was in doubt about what the disease was, wether it could be transmitted through animals (e.g bats, camel) which was certified at the earliest.

It was never also in doubt of what could not cure it (e.g the various conconsion it listed and dismissed)

The fact that camel urine as a medication has been dismissed for curing ailment is because it is a conconsion it has tested to be false.

Who are the supposed scientists who have concluded it's a medication, you mean the Islamic fundamentalists like you that have choose to believe Mohamed medical recommendation against medicine itself.

You conclude on WHO by saying it has gone against some medicine which it later approve just to give yourself hope.

Are you aware that WHO has made this research and conclusion for years now and still yet to revert on its decision.

Yes i read the article to the end Dromedaries is just a specie of camel among others which was tested to show no evidence of MERS-CoV that doesn't conclude all camels to be free from MERS-CoV because their are other species that was tested to arrive at the finding.

The Wikipedia page on camel urine was uploaded by a camel urine Islamic enthusiast who tried to justify it from Islamic perspective while getting bursted by WHO report that contradicts his Islamic narration

NCBI finding on anticancerous agents in camel is invalid since same camel is a source of MERS-Cov, there are other animals that can give same anticancerous agents without giving an instant deadly MERS-Cov in exchange

Leave story abeg! Post scientific papers that states/ proves your claim! And We'll keep using our camel urine and milk for medicine whether you or WHO likes or not!

AntiChristian:


I have already said the answer would never suffice you before and this means my assertions are right.

1. Bring the evidence that there was ever an idol named Allaah as you claim!

2. And Explain how the names defiles Him as you claim?

Mohamed Father name was Abdullah.

Mohamed Father served idols and was never a Muslim before Mohamed the first Muslim.

Conclusion: Allah was one of the numerous idols before Mohamed irrespective of whether Mohamed choosed to destroy every other idol in qurash and edit Quresh history to suit his father's god

Allah isn't just a pseudonym for the Islam god, it is his personal name that can't be interchangeable for God in all Islamic creed.

This is why you can't testify there is no God but God in Islam but there is no God but allah (his personal name).

Conclusion: A God should not share a personal name to an idol because it defiles him

Isaiah 42: 8

World English Bible
"I am Yahweh. That is my name. I will not give my glory to another, nor my praise to engraved images

This is how a real God who condenms anything to do with idol exhalts his personal name, his name is his glory.


It's funny that Muslims who have their own Islamic calendar because they don't want to identity with pagan idol names ask how a pagan name shared with allah defiles him

AntiChristian:


Leave story abeg! Post scientific papers that states proves your claim! And We'll keep using our camel urine and milk for medicine whether you or WHO likes or not!

ofcourse, keep using it, Mohamed knows best as usual.

So long the disease it breeds doesn't become another global problem like the Islamic terrorism which Mohamed first prescribed

The Qur'anovirus.

Is camel urine no more working for them again?