Hi fellow Nairalanders, My purpose of creating this thread is for educational and equity purpose. I didn't create it to support fraud, it's for educational purpose. It's a long one but I will try to make it as short as possible. Please Mod put this on the FP to gain a wider view and comments.

This thread prompted me to create this thread https://www.nairaland.com/6395613/nigerian-man-arrested-india-duping (in this thread the Nigerian guy was arrested because he scammed an Indian woman and the woman reported to the police.

Do you think it's lawful as EFCC go about arresting 'Yahoo Boys' and seizing their properties? Please understand me, I am not justifying fraud but how does what the people defrauding other people nationals affect Nigeria? Like a news I read last Month, A Nigerian living in the abroad for a couple of years came back to Nigeria and he was arrested because he was doing 'fraud' in the abroad. Let's assume the guy is truly doing fraud in the abroad how did it affect Nigeria/Nigerians? He did not defraud Nigerians.

Trust me, we have yahoo boys living both in Nigeria and abroad, but as a banker I have spoken to a lot of them and I asked them how they go about it. Firstly they use a White man/woman pic, secondly, they don't tell their victims that they are Nigerians, thirdly they don't even tell their victims that they are in Nigeria. They make their victims think they are White, living in US, sometimes Germany, China etc and when it's time for the victim to pay, the victim pays into a foreign account, this is where the boys need Aboki account. The victims don't pay into First Bank, Union Bank or to Nigeria, they pay to a foreign account where the scammer says he/she is living.

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Normally, if EFCC wants to work accordingly, they should not be on the street going from house to house, looking for 'Yahoo boys'. They should wait for a petition from the victim, after the petition they should try and find the scammer, arrest him (after a concrete evidence) take all his properties gotten from fraud money, sell them off and send the money to the victim and jail the fraudster. If that is what EFCC have been doing, I would support them 100%.

But imagine EFCC going to arrest a "Yahoo boy' in Eko Atlantic, Lagos. After arresting the boy, they now parked their Hilux bus and Jeeps somewhere along the road that leads to Eko Atlantic, they now started stopping cars and once they see you're a young man they will arrest you. At first, I argued with that EFCC can't stoop so low. I thought those were EFCC impersonators, until the people packed on the road were taken to EFCC Ikoyi.

After they released one of our bank customers, that was when I know why EFCC is 'fighting corruption' by arresting 'Yahoo boys'. The boy told me he paid 4 Million Naira (4.7 was found in his account) and he was released afterwards. And he was given a document to sign that they didn't take his cars and gold chain from him. There is a document which you would sign, it contains what was in your possession as at time of arrest but cars, gold chain is never included in the document, so once you sign it, it means they didn't collect your cars and gold.

Now ask yourself this, do you think if EFCC are not making a lot of money as much as 300 million monthly in Lagos alone (from a reliable source) from going to one street and the other packing 'Yahoo boys' without any petition from any victims, do you think EFCC would put so much effort in 'arresting' the yahoo boys? This was how the Sars menace started. When Sars were releasing as much as 2 million per day from arresting yahoo boys, they enjoyed the money and got used to it. Imagine a Sars officers having 2 houses of his own and 2 wives and 4 cars.

I know defrauding people off their money is bad but how does that affect Nigeria? Which part of the Nigeria penal code or whatever says you can be arrested for a crime you didn't do on a Nigeria soil? Or arrest a Nigerian for defrauding other people nationals (the victims don't even know they are being scammed by a Nigerian) they often think they are cat-fished by a fellow White or a Russian.

If EFCC wants to act righteous (We all know Nigeria is one of the most religious and most corrupt country in the world) EFCC should seize the properties of the supposed 'Yahoo boys' sell the properties and send the money to the victims, if they can't find the victims they should send the money to the US Embassy in Abuja/Lagos.

Slawormiir what do you have to say about this

I will like to know too. Lawyers in the house, is what Efcc doing constitutional? They came to abule egba last weekend, going from street to estate to arrest people. The big yahoo boys who has money to pay had been bailed. The not so rich ones are still in efcc custody. They saw a benz parked in Beckly estate but they don’t who parked it so they were asking one small girl on the street if she knows the owner of the benz and where the owner lives. Lol

b3llo:
Slawomirr what do you have to say about this

This is not about anyone, it's for enlightenment purpose

You’ve spoken well but the thing is , They’re after the money ,I once worked at Lagos secretariat, If only you know how much Auditors, Accountants , and procurement officers shares weekly in Lagos parastatals, You will know everyone is just trying to take advantage of each other in this country. The Indians, Russians and Bangladesh re even deadlier than Nigeria when it comes to fraud, Indians will scam you even at the point of death, They will tell you to come for treatment after paying them upfront, They will redirect you to another hospital you have no business with only to get there and start wandering around like a fool, What can be inhuman as that? Indians re soiling the country name in the mood everyday Yet the government will never raid them unless they receive a petition, We take advantages of each other’s in this country.

One day efcc story will be like that of sars, very unprofessional in their dealings.
How can you arrest someone without any petitions only to lie at the court that you went to arrest them after receiving intelligence report (mostly that's their line when reporting to the press ), report or petitions you can't produce who wrote it. And most of the guys too been so stupid they quickly admit being guilty.

Op are you into yahoo? Your write up fully supported fraudsters. Let me remind you, effc is doing the right and its legal. The world is a global village and we signed so many bilateral with other nations on money laundries and other crimes.

Talking from experience if you travel out of the country, your passport is a suspect, you will be searched naked like common criminals because of the atrocities of yahoo boys. There are many that loose their money to yahoo boys that died of heart Attack, and so on.

desperatem:
I will like to know too. Lawyers in the house, is what Efcc doing constitutional? They came to abule egba last weekend, going from street to estate to arrest people. The big yahoo boys who has money to pay had been bailed. The not so rich ones are still in efcc custody. They saw a benz parked in Beckly estate but they don’t who parked it so they were asking one small girl on the street if she knows the owner of the benz and where the owner lives. Lol

Nigerian don't know their rights, effc can't arrest you with investigating you 1st. They can only do that to public office holders and not private citizens, Nigerians should start sueing effc for unlawful arrest.

And the issue of arresting before finding evidence needs to be dealt with. In usa you can lose a case if you gather evidence in a not so professional ways even when the evidence support your claim. But here in Nigeria you will first be arrested just because they suspect you before starting to look for evidence to nail you

Saao:
Op are you into yahoo? Your write up fully supported fraudsters. Let me remind you, effc is doing the right and its legal. The world is a global village and we signed so many bilateral with other nations on money laundries and other crimes.

Talking from experience if you travel out of the country, your passport is a suspect, you will be searched naked like common criminals because of the atrocities of yahoo boys. There are many that loose their money to yahoo boys that died of heart Attack, and so on.

Searched naked, abeg which country you don travel go before were Dem nake you to search

ClassicMG:
And the issue of arresting before finding evidence needs to be dealt with. In usa you can lose a case if you gather evidence in a not so professional ways even when the evidence support your claim. But here in Nigeria you will first be arrested just because they suspect you before starting to look for evidence to nail you

Nigerians don't know their rights, how you arrest someone with carrying out proper investigation and without evidence knowing your right will give you the legal backing to challenge EFFC
https://m.guardian.ng/features/law/arrest-before-investigation-violates-constitution/

truthseeker01:
Normally, if EFCC wants to work accordingly, they should not be on the street going from house to house, looking for 'Yahoo boys'. They should wait for a petition from the victim, after the petition they should try and find the scammer, arrest him

What Nigerians don't know is that the disbanded SARS personnels were absolved into EFCC, Their number was much, that is why you can hear EFCC is operating in Ikorodu, Ikeja, Lekki all at the same time.

They are the same criminals. I knew The disbanded SARS men, having tasted illegal money can't keep quite for long.

Politicians are looting funds belonging to the masses, yet they don't go to their houses to arrest them without being charged.

The Nigerian government is so bad, wicked and heartless.

Please, I am not making case for scammers, but crimes are in degrees. There are sane crimes and mindless ones too.

I will prefer to be scammed than to be shot and killed for my money.

tutudesz:

Nigerians don't know their rights, how you arrest someone with carrying out proper investigation and without evidence knowing your right will give you the legal backing to challenge EFFC
https://m.guardian.ng/features/law/arrest-before-investigation-violates-constitution/

and once you are arrested in Nigeria you are automatically guilty in some people eyes. Couple with you will never be released free you must part with some money

Saao:
Op are you into yahoo? Your write up fully supported fraudsters. Let me remind you, effc is doing the right and its legal. The world is a global village and we signed so many bilateral with other nations on money laundries and other crimes.

Talking from experience if you travel out of the country, your passport is a suspect, you will be searched naked like common criminals because of the atrocities of yahoo boys. There are many that loose their money to yahoo boys that died of heart Attack, and so on.

I am not in support of yahoo boys. But it's the fault of our leaders, who are stealing us blind.

The effort of these guys are quite commendable too. One should appreciate the amount of effort that went down by this guys in inventing such many tricks. Advance countries like US & EU understands this as raw potentials that need to be harnessed and so when they are caught, they are interviewed and given light sentence.

If you are considerate of your fellow human beings pains and stress, you should feel bad when a fellow man comes around to ask you for money to eat. When that persons finds a way to save his dignity through these means, you should just be happy for him and mind your business.

Be grateful for once that you have a descent means of survival. Mind your business.

tutudesz:

Searched naked, abeg which country you don travel go before were Dem nake you to search

searched naked. When your belt is removed, your shoes are removed and scanned, is that not equivalent to unclothedness?

GeeConn:


I am not in support of yahoo boys. But it's the fault of our leaders, who are stealing us blind.

The effort of these guys are quite commendable too. One should appreciate the amount of effort that went down by this guys in inventing such many tricks. Advance countries like US & EU understands this as raw potentials that need to be harnessed and so when they are caught, they are interviewed and given light sentence.

If you are considerate of your fellow human beings pains and stress, you should feel bad when a fellow man comes around to ask you for money to eat. When that persons finds a way to save his dignity through these means, you should just be happy for him and mind your business.

Be grateful for once that you have a descent means of survival. Mind your business.

hmm the way your defended these people may u not a victim. They don't only defrauded whites, they defraud Nigerians too. No matter how u try to sound nice, fraud is bad and must be avoided or dealt with.

Saao:
searched naked. When your belt is removed, your shoes are removed and scanned, is that not equivalent to unclothedness?

Is it because of Yahoo boy or drugs

ClassicMG:
and once you are arrested in Nigeria you are automatically guilty in some people eyes. Couple with you will never be released free you must part with some money

I advise every Nigerian to have a personal lawyer at hand, it doesn't mean you have to pay them every month.
This lawyers will also educate you on your right when stopped by any security agencies and how to handle it. If you know your right and the right questions to ask them, they release you.

Saao:
hmm the way your defended these people may u not a victim. They don't only defrauded whites, they defraud Nigerians too. No matter how u try to sound nice, fraud is bad and must be avoided or dealt with.

Amennn!... I can never be a victim... Please I am not defending them ooo

Saao:
Op are you into yahoo? Your write up fully supported fraudsters. Let me remind you, effc is doing the right and its legal. The world is a global village and we signed so many bilateral with other nations on money laundries and other crimes.

Talking from experience if you travel out of the country, your passport is a suspect, you will be searched naked like common criminals because of the atrocities of yahoo boys. There are many that loose their money to yahoo boys that died of heart Attack, and so on.

Why are you so concerned with foreigners. White people will never like or respect blacks. It doesn't matter if you act as an angel.

Nigeria is killing and arresting hackers and fraudsters on behalf of foreigners while China and Russia are promoting their hackers and fraudsters into the military intelligence. Blacks are just stupid.

GeeConn:


I am not in support of yahoo boys. But it's the fault of our leaders, who are stealing us blind.

The effort of these guys are quite commendable too. One should appreciate the amount of effort that went down by this guys in inventing such many tricks. Advance countries like US & EU understands this as raw potentials that need to be harnessed and so when they are caught, they are interviewed and given light sentence.

If you are considerate of your fellow human beings pains and stress, you should feel bad when a fellow man comes around to ask you for money to eat. When that persons finds a way to save his dignity through these means, you should just be happy for him and mind your business.

Be grateful for once that you have a descent means of survival. Mind your business.

I hate it when Nigerians especially we the youth quickly point to ''our leaders" to justify crimes and other wrong things.. Attitudes like this only show how horrible the future would be for Nigeria as the up coming generations of leaders would be worst going by submissions such as yours..

yemex04:
I hate it when Nigerians especially we the youth quickly point to ''our leaders" to justify crimes and other wrong things.. Attitudes like this only show how horrible the future would be for Nigeria as the up coming generations of leaders would be worst going by submissions such as yours..

Our leaders can never be exempted from these at all... Do you know how many job opportunities that would have been created with their stolen funds?

Most of those yahoo boys have tried meaningful ways of making money without success.

Attitudes like this only show how horrible the future would be for Nigeria as the up coming generations of leaders would be worst going by submissions such as yours..

The present is already more than horrible, courtesy of our leaders. Do you know how many youth that has lost farms and means of livelihood to herdsmen and its attendants problems, yet our leaders just don't care.

Please I am not siding the bad boys, I am just trying to let others see from their own perspective too.

Our leaders are to blame.

b3llo:
Slawormiir what do you have to say about this

SLAWORMIIR IS AN AGENT OF EFCC
BEWARNED!

Saao:
Op are you into yahoo? Your write up fully supported fraudsters. Let me remind you, effc is doing the right and its legal. The world is a global village and we signed so many bilateral with other nations on money laundries and other crimes.

Talking from experience if you travel out of the country, your passport is a suspect, you will be searched naked like common criminals because of the atrocities of yahoo boys. There are many that loose their money to yahoo boys that died of heart Attack, and so on.

You are so funny bro. I have been traveling abroad since 2014. They don't know Nigerians as a scammer abroad, they know Nigerian as a corrupt country with corrupt 'leaders'. The fraud victims don't even know they are being scammed by a Nigerian so get your fact right. I want to say this and you can confirm it from any source, Nigeria is not even in the top 3 when it comes to fraud. You need to travel more bro. I have been to a lot of countries both in Asia and South America. They don't care if you're into fraud there, they just want you to make your money and spend it in their own economy. The only time you can run into problem is when you scam their citizen.

If you are a religious person, this thread is not for you because religion people use their sentiments instead of logic. This thread is about logical reasoning and following the right steps even if you want to investigate and arrest a fraudster. If you read about the Russian Oligarchy, The Rothschild, the Israelis, you will know how this world works. I don't want to say much. I just want to know if EFCC have the right to storm into a street and pack all supposed yahoo boys, even if they are yahoo boys, did they scam a Nigerian? did they tell their victims they are Ciroma Adekunle Chukwuma from Nigeria? Logically thinking, what the boys are doing does not in any way affect the Nigeria Image, what affects it is what the politicians and our leaders are doing. The days of "The Nigerian Prince" is over. Nowadays the boys tell their victim they are in US, Mexico, Turkey, Germany, Hong Kong and so on. I don't need to talk much.

The question is, is what EFCC doing constitutional, if yes, what part of the constitution or penal code says it. and why are they sharing what they seize from the 'Yahoo boys' instead of sending it abroad to the victims or better still send it to the US Government through the US Embassy in Nigeria.

tutudesz:

Searched naked, abeg which country you don travel go before were Dem nake you to search

Don't mind these kids who has never left the shore of Nigeria before.

truthseeker01:
Normally, if EFCC wants to work accordingly, they should not be on the street going from house to house, looking for 'Yahoo boys'. They should wait for a petition from the victim, after the petition they should try and find the scammer, arrest him (after a concrete evidence) take all his properties gotten from fraud money, sell them off and send the money to the victim and jail the fraudster. If that is what EFCC have been doing, I would support them 100%.

But imagine EFCC going to arrest a "Yahoo boy' in Eko Atlantic, Lagos. After arresting the boy, they now parked their Hilux bus and Jeeps somewhere along the road that leads to Eko Atlantic, they now started stopping cars and once they see you're a young man they will arrest you. At first, I argued with that EFCC can't stoop so low. I thought those were EFCC impersonators, until the people packed on the road were taken to EFCC Ikoyi.

After they released one of our bank customers, that was when I know why EFCC is 'fighting corruption' by arresting 'Yahoo boys'. The boy told me he paid 4 Million Naira (4.7 was found in his account) and he was released afterwards. And he was given a document to sign that they didn't take his cars and gold chain from him. There is a document which you would sign, it contains what was in your possession as at time of arrest but cars, gold chain is never included in the document, so once you sign it, it means they didn't collect your cars and gold.

Now ask yourself this, do you think if EFCC are not making a lot of money as much as 300 million monthly in Lagos alone (from a reliable source) from going to one street and the other packing 'Yahoo boys' without any petition from any victims, do you think EFCC would put so much effort in 'arresting' the yahoo boys? This was how the Sars menace started. When Sars were releasing as much as 2 million per day from arresting yahoo boys, they enjoyed the money and got used to it. Imagine a Sars officers having 2 houses of his own and 2 wives and 4 cars.

I know defrauding people off their money is bad but how does that affect Nigeria? Which part of the Nigeria penal code or whatever says you can be arrested for a crime you didn't do on a Nigeria soil? Or arrest a Nigerian for defrauding other people nationals (the victims don't even know they are being scammed by a Nigerian) they often think they are cat-fished by a fellow White or a Russian.

If EFCC wants to act righteous (We all know Nigeria is one of the most religious and most corrupt country in the world) EFCC should seize the properties of the supposed 'Yahoo boys' sell the properties and send the money to the victims, if they can't find the victims they should send the money to the US Embassy in Abuja/Lagos.

Go to court bro

What you're doing here, believe me, is you're just pissing in the wind

If you get money for litigation take those tossers to court, it takes just one ruling to criminalise their govt-sanctioned extortion

@OP, you are hailing fraudsters indirectly supporting there atrocities. Imagine your parents loosing there life investments, pensions, or loans to fraudsters. People commit sucide, run into debts because they were swindle. You think they scam only whites, nigerians too are victims of fraud. So because your country is a cesspit you sold your soul to crime. Just to enjoy what doesn't belong to you. You have no soul you are not human.

For your info, i work here in UK with an IT company. Its pains me the vast number of phishing attempts, spam mails, spoofed emails being traced to Nigeria. So if you think cyber security experts dont know the modus operandi, who and location of these fraudsters then you are joking. Its matter of time. Nigeria is well known as a perpetrator of online fraud. There are many documentaries on western tv's about the Nigerian fraud and how its pepetrated.

I was in one Eastern European country to use bank services, wasnt possible because the government flagged Nigeria as high risk countries. Many countries did same so that's why they profile anything Nigerian passport.

yemex04:





I hate it when Nigerians especially we the youth quickly point to ''our leaders" to justify crimes and other wrong things.. Attitudes like this only show how horrible the future would be for Nigeria as the up coming generations of leaders would be worst going by submissions such as yours..

No one is justifying anything. But wait, you'd rather justify the case of the big thieves robbing the small thieves? There are bigger hackers, fraudsters in almost every country bro. The Russians, Ukrainians and the Chinese are pulling big games, but you won't see their law enforcement agent running after them as far as they did not defraud their countrymen/women

Saao:
hmm the way your defended these people may u not a victim. They don't only defrauded whites, they defraud Nigerians too. No matter how u try to sound nice, fraud is bad and must be avoided or dealt with.

You're funny. If you had read my post carefully, you would know I wasn't talking about the scammers scamming Nigerians. By the way, do you think EFCC even have time for those ones, I mean the one trying to get into your Nigeria bank account to take your 5k 10k, lol. EFCC are not interested in those ones because those ones can't pay millions for bail and they can't pay a surety 250k. Any fraudster who defraud a Nigerian on Nigerian soil should be investigated, tried and sentenced. But what concerns EFCC with Nigerians using white pic, white name to defraud citizens of other countries? If EFCC wants to act like Jesus, they should sell off the properties of those yahoo boys and send to the victims or give the money to the country's embassy here in Nigeria. If we start holding EFCC accountable, you would all see that EFCC arrest 14 boys in Ibadan, 20 in Edo, 8 in Lagos and 30 in Enugu would reduce because they know they won't gain anything so they won't 'ginger' to do their dirty jobs again

To give you hot slap is hungry me. I will still not say anything about Yahoo for now .The matter is btw Yahoo EFCC and Government.

truthseeker01:

This is not about anyone, it's for enlightenment purpose