I believe in after Death because of quotes of christ such as Mathew 10:28,mark 9:47, because of the resurrection of christ.
It wouldn't make any sense if there's no life after Death because of injustice of life,it would be difficult to believe that life is good,if we knew there was nothing beyond the grave to compensate for problems of inequality and fairness.
While some people seem destined for happiness, others are born into terrible relationship and circumstances. Many would have reasons to cursed the day, they were born for the way life has treated them ( job 3:13).
I could agree with King solomon who was at a low point in his life said "I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking places under the sun. I saw tears of the oppressed and they have no comforter; and power by the side of their oppressors and I declared that the dead who had already died are happier than the living who are still alive. Both he is,who has not yet seen any evil that is done under the sun".

Fellow Christian,I need your opinion on this.

All Christians, by definition believe in life after death. Otherwise it wouldn't make any sense to believe that Christ rose from the dead or in his second coming.

Who will I ask, but even if my father, my grand father, and families and friends who have died don't have opportunity to tell us their encounter, one need to believe the word of God that said those who are sleeping will rise again and be lifted up to cut up with lord in the sky and taking to heaven where their are many mansions

There's definitely Life after death but you won't be part of it.

There is going to be a resurrection! John 5:28-29; Act 24:15; Revelations 20:11-13

falcon01:
There's definitely Life after death but you won't be part of it.

Why do you say so?

MaxInDHouse:
There is going to be a resurrection! John 5:28-29; Act 24:15; Revelations 20:11-13

Yes but that doesn't mean people who die go into non-existence until the time of resurrection.
We are eternal spirits in bodies. At death, there is a complete separation of spirit from body. Resurrection is to unite body and spirit once again.

Well God told Adam "if you disobey me YOU WILL DIE" {Genesis 2:17} and after Adam's rebellion God told Adam "you are from the dust and to dust you will return" {Genesis 3:19} God's word never supported the idea that any part of Adam survived death. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

At death the living creature SEIZE TO EXIST! {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} and the power (breath) to reactivate the personality lies in the hands of God! Ecclesiastes 12:7

franklytrue:

Yes but that doesn't mean people who die go into non-existence until the time of resurrection.
We are eternal spirits in bodies. At death, there is a complete separation of spirit from body. Resurrection is to unite body and spirit once again.

Yes I do.

I still see my dad in my dreams, and we talk

franklytrue:

Yes but that doesn't mean people who die go into non-existence until the time of resurrection.
We are eternal spirits in bodies. At death, there is a complete separation of spirit from body. Resurrection is to unite body and spirit once again.

if we were all eternal spirits and bodies as you claim, then we would not have had a need for Jesus Christ, the LIFE(eternal life) to begin with.

According to Jesus Christ, it is only those who believe in Him that have life after death... Only those who believe in Jesus Christ will experience the resurrection that is Jesus Christ.

So what happens to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who was there even from the beginning then? Well, as God said from the beginning, dust to dust...

Tyewolove:
I believe in after Death because of quotes of christ such as Mathew 10:28,mark 9:47, because of the resurrection of christ.
It wouldn't make any sense if there's no life after Death because of injustice of life,it would be difficult to believe that life is good,if we knew there was nothing beyond the grave to compensate for problems of inequality and fairness.
While some people seem destined for happiness, others are born into terrible relationship and circumstances. Many would have reasons to cursed the day, they were born for the way life has treated them ( job 3:13).
I could agree with King solomon who was at a low point in his life said "I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking places under the sun. I saw tears of the oppressed and they have no comforter; and power by the side of their oppressors and I declared that the dead who had already died are happier than the living who are still alive. Both he is,who has not yet seen any evil that is done under the sun".

Fellow Christian,I need your opinion on this.

The after life, as preached by Jesus Christ, has little to do with tackling injustice experienced while here on earth. I mean, if you do not get justice while here on earth, what meaning can such serve when you are dead and gone from this earth?

Anyways, Jesus Christ is the eternal life Himself and so only those who believe in Him as He commanded, will have the eternal life that is He, to spend in either Heaven or Hell.

Yes I do.I still see my dad in my dreams, and we talk

MaxInDHouse:
Well God told Adam "if you disobey me YOU WILL DIE" {Genesis 2:17} and after Adam's rebellion God told Adam "you are from the dust and to dust you will return" {Genesis 3:19} God's word never supported the idea that any part of Adam survived death. Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

At death the living creature SEIZE TO EXIST! {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} and the power (breath) to reactivate the personality lies in the hands of God! Ecclesiastes 12:7

Understanding of God's Word is required here. When God said Adam will die in the day that he ate the fruit, why didn't he drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?
Death is a separation from life. Spiritual death is separation (estrangement) from God. When the bible talks about spiritual death, does it mean the spirit being goes into non-existence? All spirits that come from the ever living God never go back into non-existence, even angels and demons. Man was made a little lower than the angels, in the confines of a physical body, but not equal with the animals. What makes the difference in human spirits (that have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God) is that the saved ones now have the God kind of life in them which is pure, holy, peaceful, joyful, powerful etc, that is, eternal life - Zoe.

Adam 'died' (was spiritually separated from God who is Life Himself) the moment he ate the fruit in disobedience. The physical separation of his spirit from his body happened hundreds of years later (Gen. 5:5) or was God saying an untruth when He said IN THE DAY YOU EAT thereof you shall surely die?

God's word did not show the idea of life beyond death by the preacher who had started going astray and marrying strange wives or God's Word through His Son, who is greater than Solomon tells us so?

What does the story of Lazarus and the rich man teach you?

Where did Christ go after death and preached to spirits in prison (1 Pet. 3:19)

Why is God the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob [men who have long died physically]? Is He the God of the dead? NO! It is because those men were spiritually 'alive' (connected) to Him. All live unto him (Matt. 20:32, Luke 20:37-38)

Where or in what form are we going to stand and give account of our lives before the judgment seat of Christ [for the saints -the living] or before the great white throne [for the sinners -the dead]? Is it on the earth and with our physical bodies? (Rom. 14:8-12, Rev. 20:11-15)

Even the so called 'dead' will stand before God. So the [conscious] 'dead' can stand and be judged according to their works and have their names not found in the book of 'life' and then be cast into the lake of fire where the worms do not die and the fire is not quenched (Rev. 20:11-15, Mark 9:44-48)

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At death the living creature cease to exist? That is for animals and plants, not for man. And why does Ecclesiastes 3:21 which you skipped says the spirit of man goes upwards and the spirit of beast goes downward, if they were totally the same and everything about them came from the same place and the former is not greater than the latter?
It is because the life in man (breath of life - spirit) came from God.
And when the spirit is separated from the body and returns back to God what will it go and do there? It will enter back into God or it will go and receive its judgement and reward for good or bad done in the body? (2 Cor. 5:10, Rom. 14:12, Matt. 25:31-46)

And do you "REACTIVATE" something that has gone into non-existence (no longer existing). Or do you mean 'recreating' it? If it is to be reactivate, it means there is an existing inanimate part that will now be animated. Or do you mean that after the spirit dissipates into oblivion, God will gather the various parts again -emotions, memory, personality, body, etc and bring them back as one for resurrection and judgement unto death again (for the sinner)?

Kobojunkie:
if we were all eternal spirits and bodies as you claim, then we would not have had a need for Jesus Christ, the LIFE(eternal life) to begin with.

According to Jesus Christ, it is only those who believe in Him that have life after death... Only those who believe in Jesus Christ will experience the resurrection that is Jesus Christ.

So what happens to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who was there even from the beginning then? Well, as God said from the beginning, dust to dust...

And as the Son of God, Jesus Christ the righteous judge unto whom all judgment has been committed to, said in the end...

'And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.' -John 5:29

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. - Acts 24:14-15

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. - Rev. 20:13

So that means there is also going to be a resurrection of the unjust (evil ones)?
To what purpose if everlasting death which is unconsciousness or obliteration, as you may mean, is their punishment?

The reward at the end of this life is either everlasting life of peace and joy with God or everlasting punishment with the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:46, Mark 9:42-48, 2 Thess 1:7-9, Rev. 20:10, ch 21:8 ).

Everyone will give account of himself to God and receive their reward of the things done in their body whether good or bad (Rom. 14:10-12, 2 Cor. 5:8-11, Matt. 25:31-46, Rev. 20:12-13, ch 22:12-15)

franklytrue:


And as the Son of God, Jesus Christ the righteous judge unto whom all judgment has been committed to, said in the end...

'And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.' -John 5:29

But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:
And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust. - Acts 24:14-15

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. - Rev. 20:13

So that means there is also going to be a resurrection of the unjust (evil ones)?
To what purpose if everlasting death which is unconsciousness or obliteration, as you may mean, is their punishment?

The reward at the end of this life is either everlasting life of peace and joy with God or everlasting punishment with the devil and his angels (Matt. 25:46, Mark 9:42-48, 2 Thess 1:7-9, Rev. 20:10, ch 21:.

Everyone will give account of himself to God and receive their reward of the things done in their body whether good or bad (Rom. 14:10-12, 2 Cor. 5:8-11 ,Matt. 25:31-46, Rev. 20:12-13, ch 22:12-15)

First and foremost, the very teachings of Jesus Christ are found there in the gospels. Whatever you find written elsewhere needs to echo that which was in fact spoken of by Jesus Christ for it to be the Truth of God since Jesus Christ is the Truth that we follow.

Now, as for how to read the book, you have to pay close attention to context as it is the key to understanding the message that is Jesus Christ, and in fact the entire message of God. John 5, you quoted rightly from but missed the core of the message since you probably just copy-pasted only the verse where the search procedure found the word "resurrection" for you.
In the same context that verse you lifted is found, Jesus Christ starts by telling you that God is the one who gives Him His sheep and that no one can steal or take them away from Him. Then He proceeds to inform His audience that ONLY His sheep hear His voice and will hear it from their graves to be raised from the dead, some to Heavenly reward while the rest of His sheep to judgement.

It is important to understand the message as presented by Jesus Christ Himself in the gospels as it is key to deciphering the contents of the many dreams and visions of his disciples who come after Him.

Kobojunkie:
First and foremost, the very teachings of Jesus Christ are found there in the gospels. Whatever you find written elsewhere needs to echo that which was in fact spoken of by Jesus Christ for it to be the Truth of God since Jesus Christ is the Truth that we follow.

Now, as for how to read the book, you have to pay close attention to context as it is the key to understanding the message that is Jesus Christ, and in fact the entire message of God. John 5, you quoted rightly from but missed the core of the message since you probably just copy-pasted only the verse where the search procedure found the word "resurrection" for you.
In the same context that verse you lifted is found, Jesus Christ starts by telling you that God is the one who gives Him His sheep and that no one can steal or take them away from Him. Then He proceeds to inform His audience that ONLY His sheep hear His voice and will hear it from their graves to be raised from the dead, some to Heavenly reward while the rest of His sheep to judgement.

It is important to understand the message as presented by Jesus Christ Himself in the gospels as it is key to deciphering the contents of the many dreams and visions of his disciples who come after Him.

So what have you said now?
Do the other scriptures not confirm what Jesus said?

ONLY His sheep hear his voice and yet some sheep will receive heavenly reward and the other sheep judgment? Where did you see that? And what kind of judgment will the other sheep receive? What about the goats - those on the left hand? What will they receive?

So ALL that are in the graves that hear His voice are His sheep and yet some will receive damnation even though they are not the goats? (John 5:28)

Are you saying there will be no resurrection of the unjust also as the scriptures says?
Are you saying not all men (both just and unjust) will give account of their life while in the body and then receive their reward?

Will you keep twisting the scriptures to suit your doctrines or stay by what Jesus the Word of God has said? Will you keep adding or subtracting from the scriptures?
If you keep up with that you will only make yourself a goat and will receive your just reward, for it is written:

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7:23

Matthew 25:41, 46 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

The Lord will not send such into oblivion but into everlasting fire even though it is not His will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. It is your choice. Choose Jesus and His Words and you choose life or you twist His words as a worker of iniquity and you have chosen death (everlasting separation and punishment).

'And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.' - 2 Thess. 1:7-10

franklytrue:

So what have you said now?
Do the other scriptures not confirm what Jesus said?

ONLY His sheep hear his voice and yet some sheep will receive heavenly reward and the other sheep judgment? Where did you see that? And what kind of judgment will the other sheep receive? What about the goats - those on the left hand? What will they receive?

So ALL that are in the graves that hear His voice are His sheep and yet some will receive damnation even though they are not the goats? (John 5:28)

Are you saying there will be no resurrection of the unjust also as the scriptures says?
Are you saying not all men (both just and unjust) will give account of their life while in the body and then receive their reward?

I didn't write the Gospels. I simply comprehend what is written as it is written .

According to Jesus Christ, His Sheep alone hear His voice and they will hear His voice from their graves where they sleep and be raised as a result of hearing Him. Then some of those who are raised will be rewarded with Life in Heaven while the others will be judged for their wicked deeds.

It is as is recorded that in John 5 and I believe in John 10, Jesus Christ makes clear that His sheep are in fact all those who claim to believe in Him, meaning that only those who believe in Jesus Christ will be raised when Jesus Christ retirns, and they are the ones who will be judged by Him.

In Matthew 25 vs 31 -46, we see that the author proceeds to instea consider those who obey Jesus Christ sheep, whereas those who refuse to obey Him are tagged as goats, And this classification makes sense for you see those there is no expectation on them to obey or even reject that which they do not believe in to begin with. It is to those who believe that that expectation is placed. So both the sheep and the goats believe(even the demons and fallen angels also believe), but because the goats do not obey the commandments of Jesus Christ, they are raised to judgement, along with the demons and others.

You call it MY doctrine, yet it is what is written right there in Scripture as far back as 2000 years ago. I wonder instead why you would refuse the truth of Jesus Christ, as it is indeed written to instead cling to doctrines and traditions of men, all of which Jesus Christ declared are lies, that have nothing to do with His message.

I suggest rather than continuing this back and forth with me, you spend tome reading through the Gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) so you can more clearly understand the very Teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and maybe, the rest of the New Testament will take on new meaning that aligns more with His teachings as opposed to the many doctrines and interpretations, noirse, that Ixists all around youu where it concerns the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

The perception of human says "24 hours make ONE day" so a day from man's point of view starts from 12:00 am to 11:59 pm, but from God's own viewpoint ONE is equivalent of 1,000 years of human existence {2Peter 3:8} so Adam died that same day he never lived up to 1,000 years a day from God's viewpoint! Genesis 5:5

franklytrue:

Understanding of God's Word is required here. When God said Adam will die in the day that he ate the fruit, why didn't he drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?
Death is a separation from life. Spiritual death is separation (estrangement) from God. When the bible talks about spiritual death, does it mean the spirit being goes into non-existence? All spirits that come from the ever living God never go back into non-existence, even angels and demons. Man was made a little lower than the angels, in the confines of a physical body, but not equal with the animals. What makes the difference in human spirits (that have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God) is that the saved ones now have the God kind of life in them which is pure, holy, peaceful, joyful, powerful etc, that is, eternal life - Zoe.

Adam 'died' (was spiritually separated from God who is Life Himself) the moment he ate the fruit in disobedience. The physical separation of his spirit from his body happened hundreds of years later (Gen. 5:5) or was God saying an untruth when He said IN THE DAY YOU EAT thereof you shall surely die?

God's word did not show the idea of life beyond death by the preacher who had started going astray and marrying strange wives or God's Word through His Son, who is greater than Solomon tells us so?

What does the story of Lazarus and the rich man teach you?

Where did Christ go after death and preached to spirits in prison (1 Pet. 3:19)

Why is God the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob [men who have long died physically]? Is He the God of the dead? NO! It is because those men were spiritually 'alive' (connected) to Him. All live unto him (Matt. 20:32, Luke 20:37-38)

Where or in what form are we going to stand and give account of our lives before the judgment seat of Christ [for the saints -the living] or before the great white throne [for the sinners -the dead]? Is it on the earth and with our physical bodies? (Rom. 14:8-12, Rev. 20:11-15)

Even the so called 'dead' will stand before God. So the [conscious] 'dead' can stand and be judged according to their works and have their names not found in the book of 'life' and then be cast into the lake of fire where the worms do not die and the fire is not quenched (Rev. 20:11-15, Mark 9:44-48)

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At death the living creature cease to exist? That is for animals and plants, not for man. And why does Ecclesiastes 3:21 which you skipped says the spirit of man goes upwards and the spirit of beast goes downward, if they were totally the same and everything about them came from the same place and the former is not greater than the latter?
It is because the life in man (breath of life - spirit) came from God.
And when the spirit is separated from the body and returns back to God what will it go and do there? It will enter back into God or it will go and receive its judgement and reward for good or bad done in the body? (2 Cor. 5:10, Rom. 14:12, Matt. 25:31-46)

And do you "REACTIVATE" something that has gone into non-existence (no longer existing). Or do you mean 'recreating' it? If it is to be reactivate, it means there is an existing inanimate part that will now be animated. Or do you mean that after the spirit dissipates into oblivion, God will gather the various parts again -emotions, memory, personality, body, etc and bring them back as one for resurrection and judgement unto death again (for the sinner)?

falcon01:
There's definitely Life after death but you won't be part of it.

why and how

GrandFinale2021:
why and how

life continues when you die without you

MaxInDHouse:
The perception of human says "24 hours make ONE day" so a day from man's point of view starts from 12:00 am to 11:59 pm, but from God's own viewpoint ONE is equivalent of 1,000 years of human existence {2Peter 3:8} so Adam died that same day he never lived up to 1,000 years a day from God's viewpoint! Genesis 5:5

So that is the way you have chosen to deceive yourself and focus on only one of the many points raised above?

You should as well have said that God created everything in 6000 years and rested for 1000 years (the same 2 Pet. 3:8b - a thousand years as one day) which is given as the Sabbath. Or then the scriptures do not mean what they say but what you say?

'And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.' - Genesis 2:2-3

Stop deceiving yourself and twisting the scriptures to suit doctrines you have been taught. It will not end well.

I have heard of your interpretation before and i prefer the one that stays on point that Adam doesn't exist anymore after his death! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
So if you choose the other interpretation that's no problem, it's a free world!

franklytrue:

So that is the way you have chosen to deceive yourself and focus on only one of the many points raised above?
You should as well have said that God created everything in 6000 days and rested for 1000 days (the same 2 Pet. 3:8b - a thousand years as one day) which is given as the Sabbath. Or then the scriptures do not mean what they say but what you say?
'And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.' - Genesis 2:2-3
Stop deceiving yourself and twisting the scriptures to suit doctrines you have been taught. It will not end well.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't write the Gospels. I simply comprehend what is written as it is written .

According to Jesus Christ, His Sheep alone hear His voice and they will hear His voice from their graves where they sleep and be raised as a result of hearing Him. Then some of those who are raised will be rewarded with Life in Heaven while the others will be judged for their wicked deeds.

It is as is recorded that in John 5 and I believe in John 10, Jesus Christ makes clear that His sheep are in fact all those who claim to believe in Him, meaning that only those who believe in Jesus Christ will be raised when Jesus Christ retirns, and they are the ones who will be judged by Him.

In Matthew 25 vs 31 -46, we see that the author proceeds to instea consider those who obey Jesus Christ sheep, whereas those who refuse to obey Him are tagged as goats, And this classification makes sense for you see those there is no expectation on them to obey or even reject that which they do not believe in to begin with. It is to those who believe that that expectation is placed. So both the sheep and the goats believe(even the demons and fallen angels also believe), but because the goats do not obey the commandments of Jesus Christ, they are raised to judgement, along with the demons and others.

You call it MY doctrine, yet it is what is written right there in Scripture as far back as 2000 years ago. I wonder instead why you would refuse the truth of Jesus Christ, as it is indeed written to instead cling to doctrines and traditions of men, all of which Jesus Christ declared are lies, that have nothing to do with His message.

I suggest rather than continuing this back and forth with me, you spend tome reading through the Gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) so you can more clearly understand the very Teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and maybe, the rest of the New Testament will take on new meaning that aligns more with His teachings as opposed to the many doctrines and interpretations, noirse, that Ixists all around youu where it concerns the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Then you did not comprehend correctly or you are just a deceiver.
If you like keep switching between scriptures to state what is not true (John chs 5 and 10). John 5 was not talking about the sheep of Jesus and had no mention of sheep from vs 6 to 47 where Jesus started and finished speaking.

Those verses in John 5 talk about resurrection and the DEAD in the graves hearing the voice of Jesus and coming out and receiving their judgment (reward) while those verses in John 10 talk about His LIVING sheep, that are not dead yet, hearing His voice and entering into His fold.

It has become YOUR doctrine because those are not what scriptures say. Stop twisting scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
I have heard of your interpretation before and i prefer the one that stays on point that Adam doesn't exist anymore after his death! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
So if you choose the other interpretation that's no problem, it's a free world!

That is how people prefer lies to the truth and wrestle the scriptures unto their own destruction (2 Pet. 3:15-17)

You believe the wayward preacher more than His Maker who is greater than him, even Jesus Christ?

You believe the story of Lazarus and the rich man was mere fable?

You believe that we will not stand before God and give account of our lives as stated in scriptures?

You believe the 'judgement' and 'reward' for being and doing evil is mere unconsciousness? Will the devil and his angels also go into everlasting unconsciousness?

You believe that when man dies his spirit will return back to God who gave it and that that spirit is mere breath (Oxygen?). What is Oxygen returning back to God, who is a Spirit, for?

Keep running away from the truth and believing false doctrines and you will find yourself inexcusable on the last day.

Whatever i believe is my own PERSONAL life Sir it's a FREE WORLD!

franklytrue:

That is how people prefer lies to the truth and wrestle the scriptures unto their own destruction (2 Pet. 3:15-17)
You believe the wayward preacher more than His Maker who is greater than him, even Jesus Christ?
You believe the story of Lazarus and the rich man was mere fable?
You believe that we will not stand before God and give account of our lives as stated in scriptures?
You believe the 'judgement' and 'reward' for being and doing evil is mere unconsciousness? Will the devil and his angels also go into everlasting unconsciousness?
You believe that when man dies his spirit will return back to God who gave it and that that spirit is mere breath (Oxygen?). What is Oxygen returning back to God, who is a Spirit, for?
Keep running away from the truth and believing false doctrines and you will find yourself inexcusable on the last day.

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever i believe is my own PERSONAL life Sir it's a FREE WORLD!

Ok but just know that 'you are free to choose but you are not free from the consequences of your choice'. Adios.

Just as you too aren't free from the consequences if you're on the wrong!

franklytrue:

Ok but just know that 'you are free to choose but you are not free from the consequences of your choice'. Adios.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as you too aren't free from the consequences if you're on the wrong!

Yes, we all aren't, but when Truth has spoken, who are we to do or believe otherwise?

You will know the TRUTH and the truth will set you free {John 8:32} so let the truth set your minds free from panting over nothing Sir!
God said Adam will die and ever since then not a single place where the Bible made mention of Adam as living anywhere because ADAM HAS RETURNED TO DUST! Genesis 3:19
So if you're now saying Adam still exists somewhere that makes God a liar because Satan told them "You will not REALLY die" Genesis 3:5
That's why i said it's more logical to accept the 1,000 years interpretation there!

franklytrue:

Yes, we all aren't, but when Truth has spoken, who are we to do or believe otherwise?

I will continue to say it without getting tired. We are erternal spirit. There is no such thing as death, death is an illusion. We are spirit dwelling within a physical body made from dust. ..
It is just a change of world. From the phyical realm to the spiritual realm....

We are Gods walking a human path...

Kobojunkie:
if we were all eternal spirits and bodies as you claim, then we would not have had a need for Jesus Christ, the LIFE(eternal life) to begin with.

According to Jesus Christ, it is only those who believe in Him that have life after death... Only those who believe in Jesus Christ will experience the resurrection that is Jesus Christ.

So what happens to those who do not believe in Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who was there even from the beginning then? Well, as God said from the beginning, dust to dust...

Is that not what i have been telling you. But your stuborness will not let you think and reason properly. There was never any need for him. He was created by the romans as a distraction to your journey. He is just an idol. God is not a man or human being. God is beyond space and time...

MaxInDHouse:
You will know the TRUTH and the truth will set you free {John 8:32} so let the truth set your minds free from panting over nothing Sir!
God said Adam will die and ever since then not a single place where the Bible made mention of Adam as living anywhere because ADAM HAS RETURNED TO DUST! Genesis 3:19
So if you're now saying Adam still exists somewhere that makes God a liar because Satan told them "You will not REALLY die" Genesis 3:5
That's why i said it's more logical to accept the 1,000 years interpretation there!

It is more "logical" to accept the 1000 years = 1 day explanation for Adam's death but not the 6000 years for 6 days creation?
Your reasoning will always lead you astray if you do not humbly ask the Author of the bible for understanding.

Do you understand that Adam's body was made from clay but his real person, even the life in that clay body came from God and will return back to God, not to the soil as Ecclesiastes says? Man is spirit, soul and body who is made in the image and likeness of God - Father, Son and Spirit.
"For as the body WITHOUT the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." - James 2:26

Death is separation from life. God cannot lie. Adam died (was estranged from the holy God) the same day he ate the fruit. The body eventually degraded (aged/weakened - something that was not the original plan of God) until it could no longer hold his human spirit and it separated from his flesh hundreds of years later (the silver cord was loosed).

He was disconnected from the Spirit of God through sin that very moment and his eyes were 'opened'. He fell short of the glory of God immediately. That is why redemption through Jesus Christ is to restore us back into a holy, loving, intimate, experiential relationship with God our Father through His Spirit in us.