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Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by mrcoolautofix(m): 9:25pm On Feb 15, 2021
I am really down with European cars cos of two factors, durability.. & roughed..........

I am the crazy guy that dares against public opinion & I guess that's why I always make things happen in a different way..

I bought vw passat 1.8 for a return customer recently, and bros this car has been on for sale like forever but no body is buying it, he crashed the price to 500k it has 183k milage on

This car is equipped with turbo & air pump

This car is 20 valve iron cast block,

This car is like a armored tank on the road,

Heavy as mecerdes benz,
My job was to inspect before purchasing, my technical analysis & approval will determine if he is to buy it or not,

Jess the engine and wirings are intact & right there that i fell in love quicker,

Him: The driver window doesn't work, me: buy the car

Him: The engine misfires, Me: pay him for the car

The ac isn't not cooling, me pay him for this ride

Are you sure this car will not disappoint, me buy this car

The driveing shaft is noisy, buy this car

The turning signal light is not working, me can you please pay him lets go with this car

At last he bought it, N500kput
130k on

6 days working on the car issues was resolved now he goes this car moves like mad dog,

The ac wants to freeze me, Me you paid me for it..

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by sultaan(m): 12:29am On Feb 16, 2021
Because they know not

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by randytt1: 1:04am On Feb 16, 2021
Attached is the official Consumer Reports USA 2021 car brand reliability list.

Half the cars you mentioned are not in top 20 reliability list. Peugeot was not even rated in top 26. BMW is highest on the list at number 12.

Now, if you buy a brand new 2021 car in North America for $20k, you'll pay almost the same price for shipping and customs duty to bring it to Nigeria. That's like paying the price of two cars for one car.

If you buy a 2010 $4000 flogged, beat-up car in North America, you will still pay about $2500 - 3000 for its shipping and customs duty to get it in Nigeria. That's double.

Now after spending so much money to buy one car for the price of two, why will a sane person leave Toyota, Lexus, Honda or any of the top 5 reliable car brands to land a bottom-10 European money pit that will burn a hole in his wallet?

Yes, Vokswagon is popular in Europe and China because they're manufactured there and sold at dirt-cheap price. No customs, no shipping or irregular fees to pay.

If a brand new Mercedes or BMW or Vokswagon is sold here for 15m (price of Mercedes A-class in Europe) while a 2010 after-first-user/tokunbo model of such cars can be bought 300k to 800k like obtained in Europe or North America, then people can consider using the extra change they saved from buying the European money-pits to fix them when they spoil - which they usually do.

Also, European cars are known to be not very good after 100k mileage. Most Toyotas in Nigeria have over 200k and 300k milage when they were imported. An European-made car above 100k miles is considered to be finished, not just in Nigeria but in North America (ask anybody there) because they're now out of warranty and hardly any of them will stay on the road without burning more holes in your wallet.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by jodeci(m): 6:24am On Feb 16, 2021
How come mazda is more reliable than Toyota and yet we all run away from it.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by tensazangetsu20(m): 6:59am On Feb 16, 2021
jodeci:
How come mazda is more reliable than Toyota and yet we all run away from it.
Latest Mazda models. Older ones were lemons

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by mrcoolautofix(m): 8:40am On Feb 16, 2021
randytt1:
Attached is the official Consumer Reports USA 2021 car

2021, is still yet to come, this list must drafted by a drunkard.

Toyota car parts don't go mile without replacement,

Masda from day one have engine issues to smoke like ganja man,

Nissan doesn't have engine

American cars can be quite reliable

Bottom line is, Toyota advertises more than other companies, German automakers have ego, & their price tag is up, the parts are expensive making their car expensive to maintain,

Toyota fake parts are all over the place their original parts and fake don't have any much difference.
Lexus is Canada not Japan which is still nort America. Lexus is way better than Toyota.
Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by randytt1: 3:49pm On Feb 16, 2021
mrcoolautofix:


2021, is still yet to come, this list must drafted by a drunkard.

Toyota car parts don't go mile without replacement,

Masda from day one have engine issues to smoke like ganja man,

Nissan doesn't have engine

American cars can be quite reliable

Bottom line is, Toyota advertises more than other companies, German automakers have ego, & their price tag is up, the parts are expensive making their car expensive to maintain,

Toyota fake parts are all over the place their original parts and fake don't have any much difference.
Lexus is Canada not Japan which is still nort America. Lexus is way better than Toyota.
Lol. Lexus is North America? Dude close your mouth. Lexus is a name for luxury Toyota cars and they are made in Toyota factory in Japan, USA and anywhere by Toyota engineers. Lexus was created and owned by Toyota to compete in the upscale luxury market. Lexus and Toyota have always being in top 3 positions of car reliability list every single year since 2005. In fact there was a year three Toyota marquees held all 1st, 2nd and 3rd positions - Lexus, Scion and Toyota itself.

No company spends more money paying celebrities to drive their cars like Mercedes and Vokswagon (Audi) https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/photos/1131083/barca-stars-receive-their-audi-cars

Toyota don't do that. Toyota don't force anybody to drive their cars. United Nations, US Army, Nigeria Military and dozens of military and police in the world including terrorists prefer Toyota Hilux and Landcruiser.

Bros, na long story we dey yarn. No continent on the planet where Vokswagon or Mercedes or any European brand outsells Toyota/Lexus excluding Europe which is Vokswagon and Mercedes home market where these two brands are sold dirt cheap without import fees. Even at that Toyota is expected to surpass Mercedes and BMW by the end of this year in Europe.

Nigerians don't even buy brand new cars. They buy what others drove as tokunbo. If North America and the rest of the world don't prefer to buy Toyota, Nigerians won't see Toyota to drive.

So, there you go: Toyota is loved by the world. Even when their entry cars like Corolla is bland as Bleep, the world insists it's what they love because of top reliability. Mind you Mercedes and Volkswagon offer much cheaper cars than Toyota eg Mercedes Smart Fortwo ($5000) but Toyota is preferred king of cars.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by lagusboyyy(m): 4:28pm On Feb 16, 2021
randytt1:

Lol. Lexus is North America? Dude close your mouth. Lexus is a name for luxury Toyota cars and they are made in Toyota factory in Japan, USA and anywhere by Toyota engineers. Lexus was created and owned by Toyota to compete in the upscale luxury market. Lexus and Toyota have always being in top 3 positions of car reliability list every single year since 2005.

No company spends more money paying celebrities to drive their cars like Mercedes and Vokswagon (Audi) https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/photos/1131083/barca-stars-receive-their-audi-cars

Toyota don't do that. Toyota don't force anybody to drive their cars. United Nations, US Army, Nigeria Military and dozens of military and police in the world including terrorists prefer Toyota Hilux and Landcruiser.

Bros, na long story we dey yarn. No continent on the planet where Vokswagon or Mercedes or any European brand outsells Toyota/Lexus excluding Europe which is Vokswagon and Mercedes home market where these two brands are sold dirt cheap without import fees. Even at that Toyota is expected to surpass Mercedes and BMW by the end of this year in Europe.

Nigerians don't even buy brand new cars. They buy what others drove as tokunbo. If North America and the rest of the world don't prefer to buy Toyota, Nigerians won't see Toyota to drive.

So, there you go: Toyota is loved by the world. Even when their entry cars like Corolla is bland as Bleep, the world insists it's what they love because of top reliability. Mind you Mercedes and Volkswagon offer much cheaper cars than Toyota eg Mercedes Smart Fortwo ($5000) but Toyota is preferred king of cars.
I love your analogy.

But i still prefer european cars,they are the masters of Luxury and Performance.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by mrcoolautofix(m): 3:16am On Feb 17, 2021
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Lol. Lexus is North America? Dude close your mouth.
Did you have proof outside internet data?

I fix cars & information I gave out above are requested before you run a scan on a car, lexus is Canadian car, same company could make parts for them, but don't mean its same brand,

For fact that pure water outsells botle water doesn't mean it's better than bro,

It's not who makes more sale, it's who have more money

It's not being every were it's about going anywhere.
Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by randytt1: 3:32am On Feb 17, 2021
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This literally shows you don't know anything about cars. Even under the hood, door panels, on the pages of vehicle manuals and everywhere in a Lexus car, you'll find "Toyota Japan" inscription.

Sha. Na me find trouble by educating you.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by randytt1: 3:43am On Feb 17, 2021
Again, you still fail. Toyota generates more revenue and makes 10 times more profit than Mercedes. 20bn USD vs 2bn USD. Toyota makes 40% more profit than Volkswagon and was the most valueable car company for like 10 years straight until Tesla shares soared months ago and Tesla took the title.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by naijadrivablog: 6:52am On Feb 17, 2021
Ask them o.
Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by mrcoolautofix(m): 6:16am On Feb 21, 2021
randytt1:
Again, you still fail. Toyota generates more revenue and makes 10 times more profit than Mercedes. 20bn USD vs 2bn USD. Toyota makes 40% more profit than Volkswagon and was the most valueable car company for like 10 years straight until Tesla shares soared months ago and Tesla took the title.
yes exactly pure water generates more revenue compared to bottled water, the rocket science behind it is cost bro.
You know mineral oil sold more than synthetic,
It doesn't mean that mineral oil offers better performance compared to synthetic,

Bro bro bro how did you arrived at 40% profit magin revenue of Toyota over vw? $280.5B & $275.5B is 0.05% not even 5%

Broke People are attracted to cheap stuffs to suffer at long run, thats the case of Nigerians,
Only few who understood long term benefits makes decision on car purchases that is built for performance not affordability,

Toyota don't build performance car, they are afrer being everywhere, selling gabage to gabage folks,
How many Toyota vehicles in Nigeria is equipped with turbo?

Volkswagen is not sold dirt cheap bro, you are speaking from Nigerian standing point,

Look outside Nigeria, Toyota cars are termed student cars,
If you have ever bought genuine Volkswagen parts as brand new, you will understand the cost difference then when you use it, you will understand the term durability bro.

Read that your durable chart clearly, it said from 2020, so what the fck have they been building all these years? Pig?

I want you to go out there, & check out 2002 Toyota Camry 1.8L or 1.8L Corolla vs 2002 Volkswagen pass 1.8T or 1.8 2002 golf 4 or jetta, drive this cars without a passenger to 140mph and see for yourself, by the way, passat front control mechanism parts is enough to manufacture another Toyota car.
While you are driving it, pay attention to it balance & grip on the road, how it handles gallop & how it handle bend corner at high speed, bro you will know you have a mini luxury car plus regular car, also test the features & utilities, ac inside settings day & at night.. you will see why Toyota is called student car, meaning car for broke ass folks.

It's not about what any drunkard wrote about these cars, it's about what end users say after use that determines the realities. Not made up stories.

Lastly did you know why Toyota parts & car is now expensive in Nigeria? It's not cause it's quality or durable, it's cos too many people are using Toyota plus, the parts get ruined quickly & that is what Ibo man called market..

That 1.8T passat & Mercedes C240 or C230 have no difference in balance but in performance ofcourse you know most c230 c240 class are v6 but I am yet to test a Good passat 1.8T that it turbo is healthy to speak about the performance difference, cos the aim of the turbo is boost the 1.8L engine to perform like 2.4 L or 3L thats increasing the horse power by 35%.

Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by randytt1: 10:52am On Feb 21, 2021
Story. Telling us that price is why Toyota is selling is an insult to common sense. It's just like saying iPhone and Samsung are the most sold phones because they're cheaper than Tecno.

The word you are looking for is value. Toyota has greater value both in North America, Europe, China and Africa more than any car brand. You buy a $20k Toyota you peacefully sell for $15k after 3 years or so. You buy a $30k troublesome Vokswagon or Mercedes or BMW, you sell with headache for $7k if you will even see buyer grin

It's no coincidence that Toyota has the highest customer loyalty among all brands while Lexus has the highest customer loyalty among all luxury brands (trampled on BMW, Mercedes, etc). Google it. (edit: I googled and found out Subaru has surpassed Toyota in customer loyalty. Toyota is the highest stakeholder in Subaru with 20% stake. In fact, many Subaru cars are just Toyota or Scion (another 100%-owned division of Toyota) with Subaru logo. Lexus maintains its #1 position in luxury cars.)

I quoted revenue screenshot not profit. Na only revenue dey compiled in one page. If you want to see their profit go to each company's Wikipedia one by one. No company comes close to Toyota in terms of profit because they plan their cars well and can sell one generation over a long period (2004 Hilux ran till 2015 and Landcruiser J70 ran from 1983 till today. No design change).

You can't compare them to Europe car dealers that churn out faulty cars every year. Mercedes once recalled and closed production of the entire A-class in 1996 after they were deemed road hazard by safety regulations. Volkswagon is a known product spammer. They produce more car models than a prostitute at a red light sees men - yet Toyota sells more cars than them with fewer models every single year. Vokswagon was caught cheating and got fined billions of dollars differently in America and Europe for lying and altering emission ratings in their cars - just to get more market - yet Toyota sells more than them.

You contradict yourself by saying Toyota is cheap yet costly in Nigeria. Lol. If tokunbo Toyota is cheap in America (just like Vokswagon, Mercedes and all these spammy Euro boxes), don't you think the price will be relative in Nigeria?

A 2003 Corolla that was bought brand new in North America for $17k has equal or more secondhand price than a $42k Mercedes C-class of the same year. Both vehicles are not even in the same class. Corolla is meant to be in same class as Mercedes A-class while C-class is supposed to be paired with Lexus IS.

Like I said, Toyota offers better value than these brands. Nothing else.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by 9icetoo(m): 11:48am On Feb 21, 2021
randytt1:
Story. Telling us that price is why Toyota is selling is an insult to common sense. It's just like saying iPhone and Samsung are the most sold phones because they're cheaper than Tecno.

The word you are looking for is value. Toyota has greater value both in North America, Europe, China and Africa more than any car brand. You buy a $20k Toyota you peacefully sell for $15k after 3 years or so. You buy a $30k troublesome Vokswagon or Mercedes or BMW, you sell with headache for $7k if you will even see buyer grin

It's no coincidence that Toyota has the highest customer loyalty among all brands while Lexus has the highest customer loyalty among all luxury brands (trampled on BMW, Mercedes, etc). Google it. (edit: I googled and found out Subaru has surpassed Toyota in customer loyalty. Toyota is the highest stakeholder in Subaru with 20% stake. In fact, many Subaru cars are just Toyota or Scion (another 100%-owned division of Toyota) with Subaru logo. Lexus maintains its #1 position in luxury cars.)

I quoted revenue screenshot not profit. Na only revenue dey compiled in one page. If you want to see their profit go to each company's Wikipedia one by one. No company comes close to Toyota in terms of profit because they plan their cars well and can sell one generation over a long period (2004 Hilux ran till 2015 and Landcruiser J70 ran from 1983 till today. No design change).

You can't compare them to Europe car dealers that churn out faulty cars every year. Mercedes once recalled and closed production of the entire A-class in 1996 after they were deemed road hazard by safety regulations. Volkswagon is a known product spammer. They produce more car models than a prostitute at a red light sees men - yet Toyota sells more cars than them with fewer models every single year. Vokswagon was caught cheating and got fined billions of dollars differently in America and Europe for lying and altering emission ratings in their cars - just to get more market - yet Toyota sells more than them.

You contradict yourself by saying Toyota is cheap yet costly in Nigeria. Lol. If tokunbo Toyota is cheap in America (just like Vokswagon, Mercedes and all these spammy Euro boxes), don't you think the price will be relative in Nigeria?

A 2003 Corolla that was bought brand new in North America for $17k has equal or more secondhand price than a $42k Mercedes C-class of the same year. Both vehicles are not even in the same class. Corolla is meant to be in same class as Mercedes A-class while C-class is supposed to be paired with Lexus GS.

Like I said, Toyota offers better value than these brands. Nothing else.
Go through all his posts and threads and you will realise you are wasting your time.

I admire your efforts though.

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by Bettycars(m): 4:01pm On Feb 21, 2021
Ignorance
Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by HeavenlyBang(m): 7:13pm On Feb 21, 2021
randytt1:
Story. Telling us that price is why Toyota is selling is an insult to common sense. It's just like saying iPhone and Samsung are the most sold phones because they're cheaper than Tecno.

The word you are looking for is value. Toyota has greater value both in North America, Europe, China and Africa more than any car brand. You buy a $20k Toyota you peacefully sell for $15k after 3 years or so. You buy a $30k troublesome Vokswagon or Mercedes or BMW, you sell with headache for $7k if you will even see buyer grin

It's no coincidence that Toyota has the highest customer loyalty among all brands while Lexus has the highest customer loyalty among all luxury brands (trampled on BMW, Mercedes, etc). Google it. (edit: I googled and found out Subaru has surpassed Toyota in customer loyalty. Toyota is the highest stakeholder in Subaru with 20% stake. In fact, many Subaru cars are just Toyota or Scion (another 100%-owned division of Toyota) with Subaru logo. Lexus maintains its #1 position in luxury cars.)

I quoted revenue screenshot not profit. Na only revenue dey compiled in one page. If you want to see their profit go to each company's Wikipedia one by one. No company comes close to Toyota in terms of profit because they plan their cars well and can sell one generation over a long period (2004 Hilux ran till 2015 and Landcruiser J70 ran from 1983 till today. No design change).

You can't compare them to Europe car dealers that churn out faulty cars every year. Mercedes once recalled and closed production of the entire A-class in 1996 after they were deemed road hazard by safety regulations. Volkswagon is a known product spammer. They produce more car models than a prostitute at a red light sees men - yet Toyota sells more cars than them with fewer models every single year. Vokswagon was caught cheating and got fined billions of dollars differently in America and Europe for lying and altering emission ratings in their cars - just to get more market - yet Toyota sells more than them.

You contradict yourself by saying Toyota is cheap yet costly in Nigeria. Lol. If tokunbo Toyota is cheap in America (just like Vokswagon, Mercedes and all these spammy Euro boxes), don't you think the price will be relative in Nigeria?

A 2003 Corolla that was bought brand new in North America for $17k has equal or more secondhand price than a $42k Mercedes C-class of the same year. Both vehicles are not even in the same class. Corolla is meant to be in same class as Mercedes A-class while C-class is supposed to be paired with Lexus IS.

Like I said, Toyota offers better value than these brands. Nothing else.

You no suppose type all these many things. Who you dey follow talk no get sense.
Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by Elsueno: 11:39pm On Feb 24, 2021
The problem with those cars is they are unnecessarily complicated. Almost everything is tied to its BSI and electronics. Now these parts require expertise to diagnose and fix. Even abroad those experts are rare. The manufacturers want to make as much money as possible from the customers too.

While even a napep technician can diagnose and fix a Toyota, the car can take abuse and anyhow connections.


Let me give u an example, even reconnecting batteries have to be done "correctly" if u don't wanna fry the BSi. in summary, without d complicated system, those cars are solid. but that complicated system also keeps thieves away

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by sandysaint: 2:31am On Feb 26, 2021
mrcoolautofix:


2021, is still yet to come, this list must drafted by a drunkard.

Toyota car parts don't go mile without replacement,

Masda from day one have engine issues to smoke like ganja man,

Nissan doesn't have engine

American cars can be quite reliable

Bottom line is, Toyota advertises more than other companies, German automakers have ego, & their price tag is up, the parts are expensive making their car expensive to maintain,

Toyota fake parts are all over the place their original parts and fake don't have any much difference.
Lexus is Canada not Japan which is still nort America Lexus is way better than Toyota.

I feel say you bin dey talk sense until you dey correct person about Lexus being Canada.

Ikpa no argue for this place again or me and you go get problem

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by ironheart(m): 8:42am On Feb 26, 2021
Where is my popcorn

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by Kinematics: 7:16pm On Feb 26, 2021
mrcoolautofix:


2021, is still yet to come, this list must drafted by a drunkard.

Toyota car parts don't go mile without replacement,

Masda from day one have engine issues to smoke like ganja man,

Nissan doesn't have engine

American cars can be quite reliable

Bottom line is, Toyota advertises more than other companies, German automakers have ego, & their price tag is up, the parts are expensive making their car expensive to maintain,

Toyota fake parts are all over the place their original parts and fake don't have any much difference.
Lexus is Canada not Japan which is still nort America. Lexus is way better than Toyota.



Blood of God!!

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Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by mrcoolautofix(m): 9:40am On Feb 28, 2021
sandysaint:


I feel say you bin dey talk sense until you dey correct person about Lexus being Canada.

Ikpa no argue for this place again or me and you go get problem

Did you know that most lexus that i have been working are Canadian made even if it's Toyota franchise that owns lexus, i don't care buy why don't they make Toyota parts to go mile like lexus? So the country that the car is made habe a llot to play concerning durability bro.
Re: Why Are Most Nigerian Volkswagen, Ford, Bmw, Peugeot Phobic? by loba18: 7:16pm On Mar 01, 2021
What I have discovered with my years of experience with automobile is that people follow a bandwagon. Sellers/users have a funny reason they decide on what car to buy. I have also found out that most online reviews are biased.
Then here on nairaland, guys that have never used a particular brand of car for a period of time condemn the brand based on what they read online. As for me, it is European cars (audi, bmw, mercedes) or american cars (ford, dodge, Chevrolet). Then the landrover. I had a bad experience with a e class in 2017 (my first Mercedes) because I bought the one with an electrical issue, but I didn't condemn the brand because of the experience. I did another e class again in 2020 but the experience was wow. My brother drives a 2008 highlander, he bought it this year at a very ridiculously high price when he could have picked a Acura or a x5 of same year with a better quality material. His car interior looks like a plastic to me, though the shape from outside is very cool. Presently Toyota parts are the most expensive in Nigeria simply because of the demand for the brand (bandwagon).
Genius are few, and they weird, so is their choice of cars.

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